Debt Rattle May 4 2025
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May 4, 2025 at 10:15 am #187325
Raúl Ilargi Meijer
KeymasterEdouard Vuillard The window 1894 • Elon Musk : DOGE, Support For Trump ‘Essential’ For America (NYP) • Zelensky Threatens World Leaders Visitin
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 4 2025]May 4, 2025 at 11:08 am #187328Red
Participant“That I helped move civilization forward, added to the store of knowledge and capability — that I helped to understand the universe.”
Think much of yourself?“President Donald Trump’s Department of Government Efficiency is responsible for nearly half of all job cuts announced this year, according to a new report.”
While employed by .gov you aren’t paying taxes, you’re giving some back! So unemployment payments are a major decrease in .gov’s payout. Lay enough off and soon we’re talking real money.May 4, 2025 at 11:38 am #187329Topcat
ParticipantAn interesting experiment by Hungary in stark contrast to a country like Korea with a .6 baby replacement rate which guarantees native population extinction by the end of the century.
Orban takes the lack of native Hungarian babies seriously, unlike the rest of the EU’s ‘leaders’ who want to kill off their populations hopefully this century.
Orban’s Hungry adopted Europe’s largest tax cut programme:
Mothers with 3+ children: lifelong income tax exemptionFrom Jan 1: mothers under 40 with 2 children = tax-free
Step by step, all mothers with 2+ kids will be exempt from income tax
May 4, 2025 at 11:42 am #187330Dr D Rich
ParticipantFiled jointly…
May 4, 2025 at 11:45 am #187331Dr. D
ParticipantLike the French Fry thing.
“If you voted for Trump”
Rah rah welcome to “Nothing’s been done yet.” You moved the ball 5 yards. We’re 95 yards from the end zone. And down 47-3.
“April jobs report” good.Okay, so business thinks the tariffs will cause local sales and production and are reaching out to hire. That’s positive. If business didn’t believe, I don’t know what you could do.
“This is no longer a “Kremlin talking point” from a “maverick” politician, but facts from America’s most senior people”
Save your breath it makes no difference. These are people who are laying down their lives to protect MS13 murdering minorities in American cities and making wife-beating an Olympic sport. …If only I were kidding.
You can show 8 hours of charts on anything, from Harvard’s own DEI director, on stats of black deaths, women’s catastrophic mental health, income disparity, black employment under Trump, deportations under Obama, none of it will matter in the slightest. Although the article here is off base and not dealing with the issue, the context he nails soundly: https://substack.com/@barsoom/p-162727208
Like I said: they know before they know, not to know what they know, because if they know, they’ll have to know, and then they won’t be popular anymore. Social Status. Because they’ll F—-ing murder you, socially, and physically if they can, if you so much as THINK a wrong thought. Or they SUSPECT you thought a wrong thought. Terror over Jacobean Era.
Therefore ZERO facts are relevant. That’s Science!™
“So NATO is building a giant military base right on Romania’s border with Ukraine.”
I’d laugh and say “Build what with who?” but I’m having chills over Krainer’s view that Ukraine was just like this too. They flipped the switch and Lo! A moment later, rabid death-wanting soldier dogs. Now that takes years, but only like four. Nobody ever wants to go to war, all eras report this. Then they call a war and all the kids who vowed against it and their parent hop in and kill themselves for rich guys’ profit. Every. Time.
So Great that OTAN doesn’t exist right now, has 10,000 men on a good day, BUT. Okay, now you see why you’d have to run the US-Russia war like this to reel them in a smash without them realizing and mobilize.
““Whoever controlled the auto pen and teleprompter during the Biden administration was the real president,” he said.”
If only you could raise a lot of money, get into the White House and get to the bottom of that! Oh well, the world will never know, I guess.
…Or anything else. You have seven “magic money machines” and now you may not know WHAT they paid for, but I bet you know WHO was sitting next to them. Anyone? Beuller?
“DOGE said it has cut at least $160 billion in waste, fraud and abuse”
It’s sad when I can say “Only that, why bother?” bc it’s not enough to turn the dial.
“Ben Shapiro displays a stunning lack of knowledge about the war.”
Classic Shapiro. That’s why he was allowed to stay on when everyone was canceled.
“• US Approves F-16 Support Package For Ukraine (RT)Blowing a hole in many of my theories, but unfortunately not sinking them either. The F16 is barely a plane.
At the same time, it is reported a new type of Ukr drone was able to drop a MIG30.
“The rule change only targeted China and Chinese shippers. No one else.”
That’s kind of rough, but then they were the only ones majorly trying to raw-abuse the loophole.
“Additionally, minimum tariff amounts increased from $75 to $100 effective May 1st, and from $150 to $200 effective June 1st.”
Maybe they’re not fully explaining this, my impression is, “You ship a container, there’s a $200 minimum” which of course pennies for a 50-footer of goods, but more than enough to shut most every single product, even phones and CPUs.
“NATO funding with the European Union, while Canada is one of the worst offenders.”
Yikes. They’re murdering 5% of their National Health people because they’re broke, have +50% taxes, AND are giving nothing to NATO? Hey buddy: Where’s the money going? Literally, you’re charging infinity taxes and clearly getting nothing. Where is it?
“Secondly, over the last 40 years Canada has deindustrialized their economy, Mexico has not.”
Uhhh….Don’t actually think that’s true. It may be lower by % terms, but they’re major mining, logging, manufacturing, major, major industries. Reverse the non-citizen immigrants who arrived only yesterday, I think more of this will drop (call centers) plus save billions in welfares. (including college funding)
Maybe I’m the one wrong, but these seem pretty off base to me. Re-check the stats, and compare, they have have changed recently or events make them appear different than they are.
“Canada doesn’t even have enough people skilled to do the dirty jobs within the heavy manufacturing; they would need a national apprenticeship program. Again, all points raised by Trudeau to explain why bilateral trade compliance was impossible.”
This and his other objections: Hey guy, WE ARE IN THE SAME PROBLEM. Here in the U.S. And you know what we did? We started trying to UN-do those things. With work. Our political system “couldn’t accept change” either a few years ago. Then we made it. You once DID all those things, not even 10 years ago. So do them again. Yes, you need apprenticeships, etc like we do, but those guys haven’t even retired yet, or they’re home at 65. We’re not trying to make a wooden clipper or Viking boat here.
“It’s Impossible” = I don’t wanna. It’s hard. I’d have to change n’ stuff. No s—t. “The only enemy is hard work” we will fight, fight, fight it.
Again, let’s go back a step. NAFTA has been screwing the f– out of Canada on all sorts of things. Oil, tar, lumber, etc. We get first call on all gas, etc. It’s a s—t show. So right now no one wants to talk about that on the American side. Canada got back by misbehaving in other ways. Fine.
““Margaret Thatcher: “Global warming provides a marvelous excuse for global socialism.”
It does! Everyone will be poor, ride a broken down bus, eat less food, and have only one pair of shoes. That’s super environmental! …Except for the Chernobyl, and toxic dumping in Poland part.
Meanwhile, who dropped CO2 most? The United States. Bc gas is cheaper and simpler, so we went to it. Like Capitalists. It’s efficient so it saves money.
“Many speculated that it was a cyberattack from Russia or China. Who else had the power to do this?”
Communism. Gay Race Communism did this to you. You don’t need any other enemies, you’re doing fine on your own, that hitting you with Oreshniks is really pointless. There’s nothing they could hit that would drop you any faster.
““The last coal-fired plant was closed on April 12.”
Ok, what are they doing at night then? Or the waking evening from 6pm-12?
“Everything cited in western corporate media, “according to sources familiar with the situation”, was/is the complete opposite of everything factually visible.]
How long does this go on?
““In a few months, Tesla will release unsupervised full self-driving. The cars will be driving around by themselves with no people in them.”
Great. How many more will have to die?
I’m not a Pollyanna about new tech, but these guys are just reckless. Suppose I just let Bison out on the streets of Toronto. Yeah, MOST would be fine. And then SOME would get hit, cause accidents, and others would roam around charging and goring people and cars. You think they would just let me? Would they be mad? Wonder what lunatic scientist I was? But: Corporation, so laws don’t apply now. I’m going to incorporate myself as an LLC so I can get a side job in poisoning and manslaughter.
May 4, 2025 at 11:46 am #187332Dr D Rich
ParticipantWhat’s the point Rąųl?
Is it an allusion to the notion the yarmulke worn by pontiff, cardinal and bishop signifies the Catholic Church Leadership is just aa disproportionately, covertly Jewish as US.GOV and The Billionaire Class?First, 1.4 Billion Catholics are treated to Two Veritable Money-Changers, nee cryptic Jew and Jew mistreating Saint Peter’s Basilica as a place to pretend to hunker down and pretend to Change Money
Next, 1.4 Billion Catholics are treated to an image of nominal Jew, DJ Trump, as Pontiff.
On behalf of SoS, NSA Marco Rubio’s Our People and Congress’s Proposed Antisemitism Eradication and Deportation Bill, I am offended for any Jew who finds this association with Catholics offensive.
……zucchetto indeed
May 4, 2025 at 11:47 am #187333Topcat
ParticipantOf course having more kids in the USSA just means more PMC ‘busy work jobs’ to ‘educate’ them
May 4, 2025 at 11:54 am #187334Topcat
ParticipantThe strategy of padding out the population with illegal aliens vs native citizens births is the real ‘solution’ to feminists who have played the key role in dropping birth rate to the point of extinction levels of replacement babies.
Illegally import sponges to soak up the remaining resources as humanoid automation replaces people in the new re-industrilized USSA.
Great plan, smooth move.
May 4, 2025 at 12:17 pm #187336those darned kids
Participant“That I
helped move civilization forwardreceived massive government money,added to the store of knowledge and capabilitysucked up to the most evil in order to advance my ego —that I helped to understand the universethat my satellites help in the dismemberment of babies.”May 4, 2025 at 12:27 pm #187337Dr D Rich
ParticipantCome on now!
Elon((gated)) Musk “donated” those Starlink satellite services out of the goodness of his heart, the warm cockles of his shells and as a grown man widely known to be afflicted with a rare form of Misplaced Empathy Personality Disorder.That’s enough from you Haters.
Go launch your own videos, satellites and rockets.May 4, 2025 at 12:32 pm #187339those darned kids
ParticipantYou can show 8 hours of charts on anything,
•• like photos of toddlers with half the head missing,from Harvard’s own DEI director,
•• from smart bomb footage,on stats of black deaths,
•• on the dead in gaza,women’s catastrophic mental health,
•• women’s pregnant bellies melted with white phosphorus,income disparity,
•• all chance of a future vaporized with mom and dad,black employment under Trump,
•• dead black people across north africa,deportations under Obama,
•• decapitations under obama,none of it will matter in the slightest.
•• none of it will matter in the slightest.Like I said: they know before they know, not to know what they know, because if they know, they’ll have to know, and then they won’t be popular anymore. Social Status. Because they’ll F—-ing murder you, socially, and physically if they can, if you so much as THINK a wrong thought. Or they SUSPECT you thought a wrong thought. Terror over Jacobean Era.
•• yeah!¡! our terror is the right terror. over there terror. we’ll F—-ing murder them! you’ll see. make america grate again.May 4, 2025 at 12:37 pm #187340Topcat
ParticipantThe Duran :
Ukraine is Now Trump’s War – John Mearsheimer, Alexander Mercouris & Glenn Diesen
Total defeat of Trump’s Ukraine policy
His choice are to become Joe Biden 2.0
OR
Walk away and inherit the Mantle of Saigon 2.0 (1975)
Quite a choice.
The Vietnamese will be marching in the 80th Victory Parade in Moscow after celebrating their own Glorious 50th Victory Day parade over ‘The Empire of Lies’
Here the Chinese practicing in Moscow
May 4, 2025 at 12:38 pm #187341those darned kids
Participantpope trump!?
nah, that’s st. upid, the worser.
May 4, 2025 at 1:24 pm #187342Dora
ParticipantAlex Krainer. “The global war on farming gathers pace”
https://alexkrainer.substack.com/p/the-global-war-on-farming-gathers
[Originally published in I-System TrendCompass] Over the last few years I’m noticing that the grocery stores where I buy my food are less and less supplied with certain foods, particularly organic meat and periodically milk and eggs. The difference is very obvious and my Carrefour supermarket even reduced the shelf space where these foods are displayed. Certain types of meat that used to be regularly available are no longer are (at all, ever), and I can only find them from specialty butcher shops which thankfully still exist in France (although they are noticeably fewer now than they used to be).This is not an accident but, as the British farmer and activist Mark Byford (a.k.a. the Bowler Hat Farmer) lays out in this (highly recommended) interview, it is part of the global war on farming, comprising a barrage of administrative and regulatory measures designed to make farming unprofitable, incentivizing farmers not to produce food and encouraging them to sell their farms: it’s war on carbon, war on nitrogen, war on bird flu and other viruses, war on Russian fertilizers, inheritance taxes, rewilding schemes, “get out of farming” payouts and burgeoning compliance rules and bureaucracies to oversee it all.
May 4, 2025 at 1:24 pm #187343Doc Robinson
ParticipantThe Guardian today:
Trump accused of ‘mocking’ Catholics after posting image of himself as pope
US president displays ‘pathological megalomania’ as cardinals gather to elect new pope after death of Francis
However, this had already been published on Friday by a major comics syndicate:
May 4, 2025 at 1:37 pm #187344zerosum
ParticipantWHY is the WEST, NATO, U.K., USA, SUPPYING THE HARDWARE, THE SOFTWARE, AND THE AIMING COORDINATS TO ATTACK MOSCOW?
• US Approves F-16 Support Package For Ukraine (RT)
Why can Zelensky do what nobody else can do and get away with it?
• Zelensky Threatens World Leaders Visiting Moscow On Victory Day: Kremlin (ZH)
• Moscow Responds To Zelensky’s Victory Day Threats (RT)
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Why are there Secrets, Lies?
would we be better off Without Trump?
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It’s time to snap out of the dream world and wake up those still asleep.
Europe’s citizens, the clock is ticking – demand that your leaders speak up!
————-the State Department had signed off on a foreign military sale to Ukraine which includes training, spare parts, aircraft modifications, logistics assistance, and software support for F-16s.
The agency added that the proposed sale “will support the foreign policy goals… of the United States by improving the security of a partner country that is a force for political stability” in Europe.
More than 80 F-16s have been promised to Ukraine, with the bulk expected to come from Belgium and the Netherlands, while the US has never committed to providing the jets on its own.
While the exact number of jets delivered is unknown, Moscow confirmed last month it had shot down one F-16. Ukraine’s Vladimir Zelensky said the aircraft’s pilot perished during a “combat mission.”In 2024, Ukraine reported the loss of another F-16, saying it crashed while repelling a Russian air strike.
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• Want To Know The Truth Behind Those Anti-Trump Polls? (Margolis)If 80% of those you poll are Democrats, it’s easy going.
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May 4, 2025 at 1:39 pm #187345Noirette
ParticipantOn the internet is too quick at top post.
Trump brought all this on himself with the endorsing, praising (?) of an AI Vid featuring Don and mate Bibi relaxing in Gaza at a plush venue, on the Med…with Musky gathering dollaris from the skies…Link in case anyone missed this. Btw, there was a big mistake in the vid, Trumpy does not drink beer, he is a teetotaller.
What was, he, Trump, thinking?
I mean, it is one huge step from drawn cartoons in PUNCH featuring FAT POLS in bespoke suits smokin’ Cigars, batting about cryptic / nonsensical one-liners, which can be seen as ‘mild fun’, ‘jokery’, ‘allowed satire’, good for a chuckle, etc. while the ppl caricaturasied (wd?) are nevertheless taken seriously, overall.
To realistic depictions of crazy dream-worlds?
I liked this one from Hatim’s shorts. Vlad, Don, Kim are chased away by Angela the hysterical housewife. Then they share the spoils. 🙂
May 4, 2025 at 1:46 pm #187346tboc
Participantshould one know the history of The Vatican the image of the Orange Waffletwat, © Bones, in papal regalia is not a mistep or lack of insight at all. The posting of the image is a letter of intent.
The internecene adventures of Western European civilization is being turned up to eleven on the scale of bloodlust, pleonexia and amoral destruction.
Just exactly when were the Crowns and leaders of Western Europe not blood thirsty savages? The great cathedrals were monuments to Mammon not The Prince of Peace.
“One ring to rule them all” Tolkiena bad good Catholic boy
May 4, 2025 at 1:51 pm #187347Topcat
ParticipantHillary is a Real Witch
The way you test this is to soak her in gasoline and set her on fire.
If she doesn’t burn, she’s a Witch for sure.
If she does actually burn to death, she’s not a Witch
Got that?
Ready for a go?
May 4, 2025 at 1:53 pm #187348those darned kids
Participanthey, raúl!
this is for y’all. many, many, superdupermany, many thanks!¡!
May 4, 2025 at 2:05 pm #187349Michael Reid
ParticipantMay 4, 2025 at 2:41 pm #187350zerosum
ParticipantI don’t understand.
I don’t know what is happeningThe price of a barrel of oil is going down in Canada/US.
The supply/volume of oil is going down.
Sanctions are imposed on the oil/energy from Iran.
Sanctions are imposed on the oil/energy from Venezuela.
Sanction are imposed on oil/energy from Russia.
Energy security is improving.
Energy is still available in Europe and Ukraine Israel.May 4, 2025 at 3:43 pm #187351Dora
ParticipantThe Second World – by ed gato malo,
a tour of “you don’t wanna go there”
https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/the-second-world
so where then does “the second world” lie if not on the path from third world to first world?i would posit that second world exists as a post 1st world stage and that you basically cannot get there without first having been first world. it’s not a transitional stage so much as a form of post achievement decline, a sort of senescence and degradation, a once lush garden gone to weeds. the second world is a trap and a truly nasty one from which extrication once caught is very difficult because the second world is, in many ways, the worst of all worlds, it’s first world systems that have fallen into hands and practices under which they cannot function, technology, technocracy, welfare systems, and systems of trust that work (or at least that can be managed at tolerable costs) by a certain sort of society but that become ruinous albatrosses around the necks of everything and everyone once they fall into disfunction, disrepair, and abuse.
low trust people in a low trust system are the third world. if they develop into high trust people, they get the ability to adopt high trust systems and when they do, voila, first world.
but if once they have those systems in place they revert to being low trust people, the second world awaits
it’s not a place where you want to be, but is a place where many are increasing ending up.
May 4, 2025 at 4:08 pm #187352Dr D Rich
ParticipantWait!
We’re going all the WayBack to The Crusades today???Marco Rubio’s “Our People” say history ended when World War 2 ended and the measuring stick of measuring sticks ended too, Rubio’s et al’s insistence that “AntiSenitism” stands alone and as the worst form of “Anti-Any-ism” anyone could possibly contemplate including summary deportation proceedings against any transgressors of same notwithstanding a thing labeled “Permanent Resident” Status.
Amen
SolemnityPeriods and commas aren’t my friends
May 4, 2025 at 4:17 pm #187353Dr D Rich
ParticipantCome to Johnstown. I’ll show you.
Then off to Pittsburgh and we’ll meet my Punjabi Overlord physicians and nonphysician bosses.
After lunch or dinner, you can inform me whether the contempt is real or imagined.2nd World indeed……in decline.
May 4, 2025 at 5:57 pm #187356Dr D Rich
ParticipantEx Post Facto has nothing on Trump in his current mental state and His fellow travelers.
He told us so by making history like The BushII Boys, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ricegirl, The Deflector Par Excellence Colon Powell and That Preternaturally Malignant M*therF*cker Gonzalez.We’re all left to “awe in shock” at their and his utterly predictable brilliance ?prescience? Or write about it in the news, blogs and history books.
“From a Thing Done AfterWard”
Word! Er ah, Ward!
It was always his plan it can be said it all ways were.
TCTH who else, huh?
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A very solid argument can be made that something akin to the Alberta-U.S. merging was the plan all along.
Always…..since time immemorial
…..or they understand quantum mechanics and the relationship between space-time and gravity.
Is now and ever shall be
Time everlasting
World without endMay 4, 2025 at 6:16 pm #187357Dr D Rich
ParticipantMike Waltz neither Israeli nor Jew has become Jonathan Pollard kind of Ugly.
Holy E Shit!
Who believes Twitter anyhow? Is Twitter part of META or does Musk still. Own. It.?
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MIKE WALTZ NEEDS TO BE ARRESTED FOR ESPIONAGE & TREASON Funded by Israel Lobby AIPAC CEO said Waltz Spies for them Submitted Israel Fealty Pledge to AIPAC Colluded w/Netanyahu against Trump Backed up Signal data on Israeli App before being fired
https://x.com/GenXGirl1994/status/1918765176255340599
In other post a guy named “Israel” denied it.
It being Mike Waltz, mole and disloyal treasonist sonofabitch….I reserve the right to withdraw my hasty judgment upon presentation of authentic exculpatory evidence
Let others judge lest Ye be judge. To hell with that.May 4, 2025 at 6:18 pm #187358Dr D Rich
Participant-
Israel denied “intensive contact” with ex-NSA Mike Waltz after he was fired for coordinating with Israel to pressure America into war with Iran. Trump fired him because he wasn’t “happy” about his hawkish advocacy on behalf of Israel.
Uh huh, intensively….
May 4, 2025 at 6:20 pm #187359Dr D Rich
Participant-
Former National Security Advisor Mike Waltz was caught using TM SGNL, an Israeli-modified version of Signal with archiving features, to receive and relay potentially classified info.
Video coming soon…..wait for it….here it comes
May 4, 2025 at 6:28 pm #187360Dr D Rich
ParticipantVancing and Splaining with JD Bowman Blanton Hamel Vance
JD, Yale-man says:
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As a general rule, I’m fine with people telling jokes and not fine with people starting stupid wars that kill thousands of my countrymen
Learnt that logic and comp shit at Yale no doubt.
More JD:
- JD Vance stressed that Waltz’s reassignment to the UN after losing his NSA job was not a firing.
Reassuring huh?
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Vance defended Trump’s Truth Social post depicting himself as the Holy Father following Pope Francis’ death, saying that he’s “fine with people telling jokes.”
So am I but those profound attempts at humour are lost on the serious local cult
Alrighty, the Big Boss says it’s not a firing. So it’s not, but what does that guy Israel have to say about it?
May 4, 2025 at 6:43 pm #187361Dr D Rich
ParticipantLegislation, perhaps, coming your way.
It is written here, remember, antiSemitism has nothing to do with the words ‘Jew’ or Jewish. The Law, big L, is never if not rarely off target.
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The House will vote on an anti-1A bill introducing fines or prison terms for Americans who participate in boycotts of Israel or Israeli settlements. The bill, sponsored by pro-Israel Congressmen Mike Lawler and Josh Gottheimer, seeks to expand existing US anti-boycott laws
The proposed IGO Anti-Boycott Act would impose civil penalties up to $300,000 and criminal penalties including fines up to $1 million and up to 20 years of imprisonment for boycotting Israel.
Does IGO Anti-Boycott Act equal Anti-1A Bill?
Does the immediate former question make the query itself Ant-Semitic?I nominate Congressmen Mike Lawler and Josh Gottheimer for Jonathan-Pollard-Mike-Waltz Treason in Government Award
May 4, 2025 at 7:19 pm #187362jb-hb
ParticipantI’m not a Pollyanna about new tech, but these guys are just reckless.
May 4, 2025 at 9:32 pm #187363WES
ParticipantOff Topic – Cmanadian Margarine:
A few months ago, after some TAE discussions on how bad seed oils used in margarine was for one’s health, I started buying olive oil margarine.
Or, so I thought.
Later, after my daughter read the “fine print” (which I can no longer read) margarine ingredients list, I discovered the Becal brand only contained 4% olive oil and Walmart’s Great Value brand contained 10% olive oil.
I guess that is enough olive oil for them to say on the label “made with olive oil”!
So, in total disguise, I have simply switch to butter.
I prefer the taste of butter anyway.But that wasn’t the end of my butter education!
Oh, no!My daughter wanted to buy me a porcelain butter dish.
Like Mom and Grandmother always used, when I was a kid.Well did you know that here in Canada, butter comes mainly in 1 pound size, so you need to buy a 1 pound size butter dish!
These 1 pound butter dishes are not that common on Amazon.What Amazon mostly sells are 1/4 pound size butter dishes!
This is because 1 pound of butter in the US comes pre- packaged in four 1/4 pound foil wrapped sections.
Thus Americans use the 1/4 pound smaller sized butter dishes.So, either Canadians can’t afford to package their 1 pound of butter in four 1/4 pound sections or more liiely this is just another non – tariff trade barrier!
P.S. Did you know milk in most of Canada, comes in plastic bags and we have to buy a special plastic pitcher to hold these in use milk bags, then cut a hole in the top corner of the plastic bag with scissors, to pour a glass of milk!
Only in Catnada!
May 4, 2025 at 9:51 pm #187364Michael Reid
ParticipantMay 4, 2025 at 10:37 pm #187365ezlxa1949
ParticipantHmm.
The wave of Nazism broke on the rock of Russia.
And the glorious West ignores it.
May 4, 2025 at 10:40 pm #187366WES
ParticipantOff Topic – Surviving A Lost/Floating 240vac Neutral:
Earlier this week, we noticed some house lights were flickering very badly, while other lights seemed fine.
So, I started investigation the cause of this new mystery with my 45 year old electronic Flute meter.
What I found was one leg of the 240vac bus L1, would read 118vac to neutral, but if a hair blower was turned on the voltage would drop to 102vac, while the other leg of the 240vac bus L2, would rise to 136vac to neutral. (I saw even bigger voltage fluctuations!)
That 102vac plus 136vac roughly equals 240vac, meant the neutral wasn’t tied to ground and was floating, depending upon load impedance.
I then checked every house circuit, one by one, by removing it’s fuse, to see if any house wiring was the problem. Nyet! Good!
Then I removed the 2 face covers from my fuse/breaker panel inspecting for any signs of trouble, like corrosion or black arcing, etc. Nyet! Good!So, the good news was, I wasn’t the source of the problem!
So I called Hydro!
Yeah!
They came, 9 pm at night.
They isolated the neutral aluminum wire at the power meter/transformer and meggered the neutral cable determining that there was a problem with the cable, likely a break/corrosion.They then fixed me up with what they called a “power saver” so we could have power.
This power saver has a short cable attached to a round plastic fitting, that fits in between the power meter and the power meter box. This short cable attaches to a wheeled rectangular metal box with a fan.Next week Hydro will come back and find the problem section of the neutral cable, dig a hole and fix it.
This is the first time I have ever lost a neutral to a house.
The first warning sign you will see are some house lights flickering like crazy, while other house lights seem normal.Theoretically losing a 240vac neutral, depending upon the impedance the spilt phase 240vac sees, one could potentially see up to 240vac on 120vac house circuits.
This high voltage could damage plugged in things in your house and create a potential fire hazzard.
So,) not something to just ignore!A new experience, I hope you never get to experience!
May 5, 2025 at 1:31 am #187367aspnaz
ParticipantWES said
Off Topic – Surviving A Lost/Floating 240vac Neutral:
Easy check is continuity between earth and neutral; without this your RCDs may not work, depending on the fault. I don’t know what the US regulations state as maximum resistance between earth and neitral, but it will be a few ohms maximum. This checks the neutral wiring and the earth wiring both in your house and at your local pole transformer.
How do I know? Taiwan suffers the US electrical system; probably not as well constructed as in the USA.
May 5, 2025 at 1:55 am #187368Michael Reid
ParticipantMay 5, 2025 at 3:18 am #187369WES
ParticipantAspnaz:
I did check neutral to ground in my panel, and there was continuity.
The problem was there is a break in Hydro’s neutral cable to my house.
So my panel’s neutral being tied to ground is irrelevant, except to tell me that the problem wasn’t coming from my house but from Hydro.
If the problem was inside of my house, then I would have owned the problem!
At least now my 2 women aren’t nagging the hell out of me, wondering when I was going to fix the problem!
May 5, 2025 at 9:26 am #187374Dr. D
ParticipantI’ve had that so I’ll note a different way: Very mysterious, power is on, all things are fine, oven doesn’t heat.
Ah, well, a leg of 220 is down, and the lights we are near happen to be on it. But the oven needs both legs.
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