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    William Blake Europe Supported by Africa and America 1796   • Pennsylvania Judge Throws Out Trump Campaign Lawsuit (ZH) • Chicago Election Board
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle November 22 2020]

    #65923
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “this cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter,”

    The judge is helping out getting this to a contingent vote faster than ever. When he moves quickly, it quickly appeals to the Supreme Court. There are very few Trump lawsuits, and their premise and Constitutional basis is clear: Equality under the law in Bush v Gore. NOT fraud. So I don’t know why he would have to prove fraud he’s not proposing. Now I didn’t read this case, but that’s my understanding.

    What is equal under the law? 1) Any voter irregularities were attempted to be healed ONLY in blue districts. 2) Mail in and in-person voting were treated not a little, but VERY differently. And 3) I don’t know if in this particular lawsuit, the vote thus counted are in strong violation of the PA Legislature voting law, and invented by the AG and an activist Judge. They have no authority to make up voting rules, so you can’t extend voting day to weeks beforehand, or extend it for 12 hours after the polls close. Yes that would be 4am the next day when 100,000 votes were found, all in one direction.

    But that’s not fraud, that’s equality. So what do you want the Judge to do when YOU intentionally ran and election in general violation of many previously established norms and laws? Just allow it to happen? You see the problem: when you run a game now without rules, NEITHER side can clearly win. But that’s not the fault of the sports teams: it’s the fault of the referees. And not to bother with that the Refs were all DNC deciding over the heated objections of the GOP, but we COULD normally just re-play the game, as offensive and problematic as that solution might be. But in this case, barring some amazing cooperation, we won’t have time.

    So what WOULD you like to do? Disenfranchise voters who followed the old rules and were on time, or disenfranchise potential voters who followed the new rules made up illegally by unauthorized referees? Someone is disenfranchised either way, one man, one judge, picks the winner and loser either way. Of course I would pick whoever punishes a referee who just suddenly made up all the rules in the middle of the game as a warning to others that laws matter and cheating never wins, but that’s just me.

    “access their machines in an administrative role during the 2020 election.”

    What? Then they were online and un-secure the whole time. Reminds me of the MI certification: “Yes, 75% of the voter books don’t match up, but this happens all the time in every district!” …So you’re saying there’s longstanding widespread voter irregularities? Or as Pool would say, “Why HAVE voter books if you’re just going to toss them out when they don’t match anyway?” Why? As a scam, a con, of course. The illusion we have elections. Like many have said, this Dominion fractional/online thing goes back to day one, first thing I ever heard about them, and has been proven equally true for the next 20 years. …No one cares. When it’s openly reported over and over that a 12-year-old can hack them with a ballpoint pen, they just shrug and say: “So?” Which is just what they’re saying right now.

    Just a symptom of long-engineered destruction of overall morality, as Yuri Bezmenov said in 1984. A key competent is to pass so many laws we neither will, nor can follow them, are all violating one every minute of the day, so that when somebody says, “the law was broken” you look at your watch and say, “Yes, it’s Thursday, what else is new?”

    “The more laws and edicts
    The more thieves and robbers there are.” –Tao te Ching

    So they have disabled the immune system with moral AIDS, such that the virus can run unopposed and take over the body at will. Killing it of course, with 300M deaths in the new century.

    But getting back to the point: the PA and MI legislatures can refuse to certify, so long as someone has created adequate shouting and discussion of fraud. Not even actual fraud, since no one will look, but that’s okay in this case, since there is widespread, overwhelming evidence of fraud, easily demonstrated, now or later, should any governmental agency ever look.

    Here’s the example: we had 15 FBI agents assigned to a pull rope in a NASCAR garage. We have +200 signed affidavits of widespread Federal Election fraud and no agents. I think that’s great: now when we erase the FBI and CIA, everyone will very clearly, indisputably understand why.

    Speaking of, they moved from “No evidence of fraud” to “No evidence of widespread fraud” to “no evidence of widespread fraud presented in court” …because we only just started opening arguments. Next of course will be “no evidence of widespread fraud proven in court” Then “no evidence of widespread fraud proven in court, that actually matters” then “The widespread fraud hat was presented and proven in court was only in one district,” Then one state, then one nation… (Not kidding, Dominion going down will reverse elections worldwide, wherever the Brits have been meddling and toppling democracies.)

    “Do Trump Supporters Live in an Alternate Universe? (Bryce Buchanan)”

    He really hit the wrong approach on this: I would have listed the appalling lies going back to Gulf I and then just tagged they’re not any more trustworthy on the election now. Taibbi wrote a whole book on just that one set of lies alone. Probably Bryce would run out of paper before he could list even the highlights on the list of lies, even if he only named the last 4 years. Greenwald did. https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-worst-most-embarrassing-u-s-media-failures-on-the-trumprussia-story/

    “Biden Advisors Promise Smarter, More Secretive Permanent War Policy (GZ)”

    So he really was campaigning on a return to normal: 5 new wars for no reason anyone can tell, another couple million murders, deaths of 90% innocents in drone ops, including American citizens, bombing black and brown people until they run out of bombs, and presumably, the establishment of a couple more open slave markets in the continent’s most prosperous nations. And bringing the nation together by merging with every Bush Neocon ever seen. Then added to this, with bomber-and-deporter-in-chief saying the Internet is the greatest threat and appointing someone who said Free Speech is not a right, but something we’ll let you have if we feel like it if and only if you agree with us fully. And as Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers than all Presidents combined in 220 years of history, he’s not joking. I think he was a NYT Op-ed who was brazenly lying before. But: NYTimes, so… they live in the alternate universe where they haven’t been wrong on every major story and policy decision since 2001. Adam Schiff has evidence. RussiaRussiaRussia.

    #65926
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Great general article on Covid US. https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/18/health-care-worker-threats-coronavirus/?arc404=true

    Of an Missouri health official trying to work with the people on Covid and it describes the fault lines better than I could. She needs a refresher on “consent of the governed” and the people pay her to do what THEY want done, not what SHE wants. Having zero skepticism for the “Science” she clearly hasn’t read, since the science and organizations all contradict themselves, she also doesn’t listen to the people who are resisting and giving her the runaround. Instead of saying “here’s what they think and I’m trying to reach them” she says, “Do what you’re told!” and they won’t, so “Woe is me, I’m the real victim here.” Not – as if she would ask, or probably having been told 1,000 times by now, won’t listen – that the people out there being told they have to hide in a basement, not shop, lose their small business and life savings for your 99.97% of nothing, while she’s getting well-paid from their money that they can’t afford, and has perfect job security. No, when she has all the money, position, and power, she’s the victim, not them. They were disrespectful of the “experts” How dare they? They’ve only been wrong about 1976 flu vaccine, Swine flu, bird flu, H1N1, AIDS, ebola, vioxx, and pretty much some new murder of tens of thousands from bad medicine every other year. But they had white coats! Don’t you see the coats!

    “Why do you refuse to hear from the people who actually know about this disease and how it spreads?” she says.

    Paragraph before: “It’s an uncontrolled spread. I have these moments when it feels like I’m a nurse at the bedside, and my patient is dying, and I’m trying every possible intervention to save them. More social distancing. More masks. More contact tracing. Warnings and more warnings. What else can we try? But in the end, it doesn’t matter how much you do. Nothing will work

    Yes. And the people, having the brains of a cabbage, figured that out a year ago and went on with their lives. Apparently they also have less fear and more bravery than you do. But our intrepid heroine does NOT have the brains of a cabbage, nor has she asked why the patient is resisting the help that will kill them all in misery while leaving her rich and happy.

    In medicine, there is a clear-cut line: if patients come in but refuse treatment, they can be discharged and leave. DAMA, “Discharge Against Medical Advice.” IF ONLY you could get into the hospital, because apparently you have rights there but not at home. At home, you cannot decline treatment against medical advice and be left alone. #OppositeLand. They can harass and imprison you at home but not in a hospital. In a hospital you don’t have to obey the rules, but at home you must. You also cannot be committed against your will by a doctor or hospital except under a rigorous and lengthy process rules. However, you can be fined, arrested, or even beaten over Covid for nothing. Does that sound like it comports with any law or medical ethics as we understand them?

    These people of her county seem to be doing a very clear medical act: they are requesting AMA, to be left alone. If she is a medical nurse, shouldn’t she know what that is? Should she not know and follow the nationwide legal process about it? Or is a hospital the only place I can get medical freedom and refuse treatment these days? So long as I’m taking up a hospital bed, NOT being treated, I’m safe. Only if I go home is treatment forced on me.

    At least she finally noticed that her abuse of medical ethics and lack of self-awareness and introspection about human rights was going to come to a violent end. But she is from Missouri and not Princeton, so…

    A small amount of self-awareness and listening would go a long way here. Not “I have a white coat” “Do what you’re told.” Hahahahahaha! Do what you’re told! Have you ever met America? “America: for 250 years, literally method #1 to NOT get someone to do something.” But it would be the #1 method to hear, “Would you like to see my guns?” As she just found out. LEAVE THEM ALONE. STOP HELPING. While you still can.

    Klaus, that goes for you too.

    Can we discuss the ethics of voluntary cooperation vs violent force now?

    #65927
    zerosum
    Participant

    Hourglass
    Typically the upper and lower bulbs are symmetric so that the hourglass will measure the same duration regardless of orientation.

    input 140 million per year
    output 57 million per year
    —-
    (Accumulation 83 million per year )
    Size of restriction hole determine time
    actual size of top glass 7 billion
    actual size of bottom glass 108 billion

    drawing is an Illusion

    #65929
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    What’s the cost? [Regeneron antibody treatment]

    I was wondering that, too. $1,500 per dose, with the first 300,000 doses “free” to patients (paid for by the US government). But it will take the hamsters until the end of January to make those 300,000 doses, while “the nation is approaching 200,000 new coronavirus cases each day.”

    “Regeneron’s covid-19 drug is manufactured in cells from genetically engineered hamsters… Unlike conventional pills, these drugs are synthesized by living organisms in specialized reactors, at a biological pace that can’t be rushed.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/21/regeneron-fda-clearance/

    “Regeneron now expects to have REGEN-COV2 treatment doses ready for approximately 80,000 patients by the end of November, approximately 200,000 patients by the first week of January, and approximately 300,000 patients in total by the end of January 2021.”
    https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/regenerons-regen-cov2-is-first-antibody-cocktail-for-covid-19-to-receive-fda-emergency-use-authorization-301178464.html

    #65930
    wdt
    Participant

    About the hourglass…..
    Someone is QUITE maff-challanged
    Everyone ever born has had a mother and father, and 4 grand parents and …..
    So, it becomes 2^ something (2Esomething if you like) for YOUR ancestors
    How many generations of humanity?
    2^6000 is quite a large number, much much much bigger than 108 billion
    This is an incomprehensibly large number,
    about 1/2 a page of zeros,, and yes, all those people existed
    You are here after all

    #65931
    Noirette
    Participant

    COV19. Dr. Day, previous post:

    Coronavirus infections were spreading in Italy in September 2019, which is before the Wuhan Games (global military olympics) in China, in mid October (…) A further SARS-CoV-2 antibodies test was carried out by the University of Siena for the same research titled “Unexpected detection of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in the pre-pandemic period in Italy”. It showed that four cases dating back to the first week of October were positive for antibodies, meaning they had got infected in September, Giovanni Apolone, a co-author of the study, told Reuters.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-timing/coronavirus-emerged-in-italy-earlier-than-thought-italian-study-shows-idUSKBN27V0KF

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    The French and Italians found COV19 cases in Dec, Nov, 2019. Ex:

    https://news.cgtn.com/news/2020-03-23/Italian-expert-talks-about-strange-pneumonia-cases-in-November-P68sAd0p6o/index.html

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3076334/coronavirus-strange-pneumonia-seen-lombardy-november-leading

    https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/coronavirus-un-premier-cas-de-covid-19-soupconne-en-alsace-des-le-mois-de-novembre_3952707.html

    These ‘early’ cases were not properly reported on and presented as ‘odd anecdote’, ‘mystery case, not attention worthy’, etc. because if taken seriously and investigated would destroy the dominant narrative of a sudden outbreak in Wuhan in Dec-Jan-Feb with subsequent ‘spread’ to the rest of the world, early 2020. Recently, say July 2020, these reports seem to be taken more seriously, or accepted.

    Imho, some even earlier health scares were COV19 outbreaks. One ex.

    In 2018, there was a outbreak of atypical and v. strange pneumonia in Brescia, Lombardy, Northern Italy (right next to the Piemont where Corona ravaged in 2020..)

    Brescia and the communes surrounding it are small, even tiny (think small villages.) There were 878 cases from Sept. to Oct 2018. These cases were those classed as serious and for the most part hospitalised. A few were sent ‘home’ and supervised there. Absolutely unheard of in terms of numbers, and it was a HUGE scandal, worry.

    Flu trackers gives Eng trans of news articles. (Couldn’t find a Gvmt. / Medical / scholarly summary.)

    https://bit.ly/3b6Mgfu

    Legionella was right away a presumed agent, and the hunt was on, in water, waterworks, cooling towers, etc. About 10% (see link) of patients tested positive for Legionella, the others NOT. Legionella was found to be present in a very few municipal water spots (precision not poss), but one might expect that anyway. Those hospitalised were skewed to the elderly and men (co-morbities were important as well), though a few younger ppl were hospitalised. The number of deaths was not terribly high, I can’t give a no. because none exists, see link.

    The matter was never elucidated (or not publically) and went under the radar as the infection died out, and well, best to get over it, tourism, life goes on.

    Here in eng. link that reports the pos. Legionella cases correctly (42) but makes out that it was the principal or only cause. In fact only one (or 2) cooling towers showed ‘traces’ (enough to infect ppl? probably not) of Legionella, and about 800 or so hospitalised ppl tested neg. for L.

    https://www.thelocal.it/20180918/italy-legionella-outbreak-identified-cooling-towers

    There are other examples. COV19 did not originate in China.

    #65933
    wdt
    Participant

    Earlier cases of wuhan flu,,maybe BUT…
    Why did it not spread??
    We do know that it is fairly infectious
    Myself, got it from a package, assembled Shenzen
    at end of ’19, 2weeks DHL, a week later I got sick,
    then very sick. Without my previous
    intake of “D” (4000IU, for other reasons)
    could well be having a “dirt nap” now
    We do know there was a ‘lock down’ in Wuhan
    in september around viral institute
    Why did it not spread elsewhere???

    #65934
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Why is China still getting an unprotested free pass for it’s (nonsense) Covid-19 statistics ?
    The numbers the CCP is posting are nuttier than absurd. Crazier than insane. They are literally IMPOSSIBLE , and make no sense whatever no matter how hard one might try to make sense of them. Apparently, Covid-19 has vanished from China altogether.

    Here are the possibilities :

    1. They found the 100 % effective cure for Covid-19 in February of 2019 and administered the cure to their 1.4 billion people before March.
    2. They secretly erected an invisible virus proof bubble over their country and deep cleaned everything under the bubble ( Including people )
    3. They are telling the biggest and longest lie since Hitler asked “What Jews ?”

    #65935
    wdt
    Participant

    Viruses, viruses,, I have other problems
    I have bees, for more than 1/2 my life
    Since ’08 I have been ‘fighting’ ccd (colony collapse..)
    Not 100 lost yet, but close (too old to ‘enjoy’ weight…)
    And then you have to sell it, 1/2 ton this year
    IMO, it is a virus, unfortunately a long-lived virus
    Why do I mention? 2 days ago, 3rd mite treatment,
    another 5 gone, typical dead brood frames
    Damn annoying

    #65936
    a kullervo
    Participant

    Low-spectrum epidemics

    The regular flu season (perhaps a tad severe – hard to assess with all the misinformation going ’round) was inflated to the size of a global pufferfish, and now everybody wants a piece of the fugu; chew with the mask on, and if the mouth becomes numb hold your breathe ’til the ice(-cream)-vaccine comes.

    #65937
    zerosum
    Participant

    “Earlier cases of wuhan flu,,maybe BUT…
    Why did it not spread??”

    We know?? NOW, how it is spreading, in all the senior care facilities, in different parts of the world.
    From workers and visitors who are infected.
    I don’t believe Trump.( Trump was doing his expected lying.) It was not spread by visitors from China.
    I believe that covid19 was around before test were around to identify why people were getting sick and dying. China should be given thanks for doing the work and telling us about the danger of covid19.

    #65938
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    @zerosum in reference, you wrote : “I believe that covid19 was around before test were around to identify why people were getting sick and dying. China should be given thanks for doing the work and telling us about the danger of covid19. ”

    And I believe in the Tooth Fairy. At last you and I have something in common.

    #65939
    WES
    Participant

    Zerosum:

    In case you have forgotten, they didn’t tell us about it for over 2 months!

    And yes I too believe in the saber tiger tooth fairy!

    #65940
    teri
    Participant

    Sydney Powell [QAnon, esq] needs to put up or shut up. This is the third “we will release the Kraken” date she has given. Jabbering on about “communist” Venezuela, the very dead Hugo Chavez, the Great Dreaded China, and Antifa does not proof make.

    Reminds me of Trump’s “infrastructure week” and “beautiful healthcare plan”, both coming “in two weeks”, “very soon”, or “over a short period of time”. Both of which he has been promising since he took office.

    #65941
    zerosum
    Participant

    Dammm it ….. it wasn’t a tooth …..I was looking at an elephant tusk.

    #65942
    maryballon
    Participant

    Here is something for everyone to chew on, David Martin (see his TED talk) has studied the information about the Pfizer and Moderna products and come to a stunning conclusion. They are not actually vaccines as we understand the word. Example the polio vaccine. Instead the new products are therapies which help control the symptoms of the virus. Not to prevent the spread or anything like that. Take a look:

    #65943
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Sidney Powell was a very competent well respected Federal prosecutor before starting in private practice.

    She wrote a book about her experiences as a Federal prosecutor called License to Lie

    As a former Federal prosecutor, she is well aware of the consequences of making false defamatory accusations. She knows she will be ruined career wise and financially if she can’t back it up.

    A competent lawyer does not show all their cards to MSM outlets, that’s not where the facts are judged, ever.

    In court is the only venue that counts.

    Same goes for the lame Dems screeching about the election has been decided by the MSM, why doesn’t Orange Man Bad concede.

    The election is decided by the electoral college, not the MSM.

    Hell, even Al Gore knows that.

    #65944
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The USA is the same position as the Soviet Union. The propaganda no longer works. Instead of Chernobyl, it is Coronavirus that shows the incompetence. Let’s be clear, Donald Trump is trying to negate the 2020 election. He is Boris Yeltsin. If he gets Republican State Legislatures to vote him in, it is all over.

    Also, it it is quite obvious that Nations with effective governments controlled the virus. Dysfunctional governments failed. The USA, UK and Belgium are the worse of the lot. At least Belgium acknowledges it has no government.

    A simple explanation for the dysfunction is the rise of the Western Empire and Globalism and the dismantlement of democracy. Everything has fallen apart. The Republican Party still publicly acknowledges its fidelity to “job creators” and cutting government to a size where it can be drowned in the bathtub. Likely next year, Republicans will still control the Senate and the selection of political appointees. The USA cannot manage quarantines; universal testing, contact tracing, isolation, or form effective work and school bubbles. It is betting everything on a for-profit vaccine from the Pharmaceutical Industry next year.

    Only the restoration of a functional democracy and public health social support systems will assure the defeat of the virus. The USA is no longer a safe haven (it is quarantined from the virus free world except for essential travelers). The US dollar position as the world’s reserve currency is finished. The control of 95% of Americans by the 5%, a Pandemic Depression, the rich jet setting across the world while the little people are quarantined at home, American causality numbers approaching Civil War levels; whoever is inaugurated in January 20, 2021, will be the Western Empire’s Last Emperor.

    #65945
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Don’t kid yourself VietnamVet. Whoever gets inaugurated on January 20 will not be another Romulus Augustulus. Although the Empire is rotten to the core, its army is still intact. And well fed. That is the secret of having the world’s reserve currency. Even if you are correct that the USD is on the brink of losing that status, there is no successor in line to take its place. The only possible successor is FOFOA’s freegold. But even if gold is remonetized and emerges like a phoenix as the world’s new reserve asset extraordinaire, the problem is that most countries have most of their gold parked in the US. The Pentagon will never let it leave. The Empire’s army will remain well fed, and nobody will dare to oppose it. The Empire will grow even stronger. Don’t be surprised if the person inaugurated on January 20 is wearing a black mask and holding a light sabre by 2024. The Death Star should be completed by then, and you can scratch those ragtag rebel planets called Iran, North Korea and Venezuela off the list. This is our destiny.

    #65946
    Geppetto
    Participant
    #65947
    Geppetto
    Participant
    #65948
    Glennjeff
    Participant

    Annual Human Deaths Worldwide circa 60 million
    Annual Human Births Worldwide circa 140 million

    Annual Human Growth Worldwide 80 million

    COVID Deaths worldwide in the last year – 1.3 million. A tiny blip in the statistics.
    Most of those were older folk with pre-existing debilitating illness and would be added to the death statistics in the not too distant future.
    COVID, what a great scam.

    #65967
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Reminds me picking on the 1974 flu, where the vaccine killed more people than the disease (again): guess where it came from?

    1st appeared in Ft. Dix. Shocked, I know.

    So did anything happen or are we more careful about vaccines now that the 1974 vaccine killed ten-thousands? Hahahahahahaha! Of course not. Here this one is said to have been invented from thin air in 6 months and tested once: they have plans to involuntarily force it on everyone. Why not? Reagan signed an (unconstitutional) law indemnifying manufacturers against any and all deaths they cause. Guaranteed profits: captured market, no risk. Capitalism!

    #65993
    John Day
    Participant

    Thanks for the homework Noirette!

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