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    Mattia Preti The Adoration of the Shepherds 1660-99   • Trump Is ‘Not Safe’ – Putin (RT) • Putin: Oreshnik Saved For A Rainy Day (Helmer) • Trump
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle November 29 2024]

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    oxymoron
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    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we’re back!

    Glad you are back Raul. I didn’t appreciate how much I like my routine of hair-pulling horror and disbelief.
    I hope you are not in too much pain.
    Here is a video on taming the beast – the beast of pain.

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    oxymoron
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    Also this is the follow up to managing constant chronic pain. It works. It isn’t the Lord Jesus but the brain can be trained to focus on function and slowly ignore outdated informational pain responses. I have been through this process. I have shattered my scapula into 7 pieces broken my right arm on 4 occasions, put a nail gun nail through my thumb joint, broken 2 bones in my hand, torn plenty of ligaments too. I have been a seriou mother fucker with a background of dance, martial arts and heavy landscaping and tree work. Post surgery recovery worked so much better through learning to tame my pain response.
    I wish you well regardless.

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    oxymoron
    Participant

    Oh shit I meant this one

    #175563
    Oroboros
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    Marc Andreeseen the Netscape Guy

    The Jacobins are eating their own.

    Off with their heads
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    Oreshnik

    The vast majority of Duh’merican’s ‘leadershit’ simply aren’t smart enough to realize the historic “Hiroshima Inflection Point” that occurred with the live combat test of the Russian hypersonic kinetic energy weapon.

    Too bad stupidity isn’t painful.
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    “..launched from Chukotka, it may reach Minuteman III silos in Montana in 23 minutes.”

    As Andrei Martyanov mentioned the other day, the creator of Oresnik, Mikhail Kovalchuk has hinted that the Russians already have materials that will withstand significantly higher temperatures than the materials in Oresnik. Which means the Russians can increase the speed up to Mach 20 which in turn will halve the travel time of the missiles.

    The silos in Montana will be able to be hit in eleven and a half mintues, barely enough time to order and drink a fancy cinnamon macchiato.

    Hahahahahahahahahahaha! Surprise Mofos!
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    • Oreshnik Missiles Could Be Used To Strike Kiev

    I sure hope so.

    Make a huge dust crater in the middle of Kiev for All the World to See

    Where the Rada and Nazilenky’s ‘command center’ used to be
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    • Russian General Staff Prepares Retaliation Friday-Saturday

    Remains to be seen if the Fuckturds of the Collective West can pull their collective heads out of their collective sphincter.

    Tick, tick, tick goes the clock……
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    Musk D.O.G.O.ing the IRS with an AUDIT

    Hahahahahahahaaha, too fucking funny for words!
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    • Trump-Zuckerberg’s Mar-a-Lago Chatter

    Zucker the Fucker undergoes amateur Proctological Exam

    Sings high Soprano afterwards

    Hahahahahahahaaha!
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    Lawfare, transform Law into a common $20 whore

    Garlands head on a stick is a go start.

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    Had a great Thanksgiving, caused some lively conversions!

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    So Woketard DEI !

    Hahahahahahahahaha!

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    #175564
    Oroboros
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    #175565
    Oroboros
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    Subliminal Bitchez!

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    Oroboros
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    #175567
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Black Friday Shopping!

    Awesome choices

    I’m getting all the young children in the extended family an extra special Deep State gift that keeps giving….

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    #175568
    Oroboros
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    Shows where the smart Duh’mericans actually live

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    #175569
    Oroboros
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    It was great visiting the extended family, all’s well….

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    #175570
    Oroboros
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    Speaking of Chistmas shopping….

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    #175571
    Oroboros
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    Big Bad Butthurt Dude

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    #175572
    Celticbiker
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    The El Presedente of Mexico is a Sheinbaum. At what point do people awake from coma?

    #175573
    Dr. D
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    “Time For Starmer to Come Clean About What Net-Zero Means: Rationing, Blackouts, & Travel Restrictions In The Next Five Years. The attack on farming will be remorseless…”

    To go green, you must destroy all farms and put up parking lots. And Condos, if you’re Dutch.

    “Satellite Analysis Shows Enormity Of Secretive Oil Shipping Hub Funneling Iranian Crude To China
    Trump is pledging to bring the maximum pressure, but the ‘illicit’ network is vast…

    This is our business for why? Because we decide what everyone on the surface of the earth is allowed to do? I didn’t see that in the Constitutional Powers. Far beyond 10A. “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.” What if you’re not Delegated, but ALSO not a State, but ALSO not a U.S. Person? Are you far enough away yet? Mr. Trump?

    “The Terrorist Offensive In Aleppo Is Meant To Deliver A Coup De Grace To Syria

    THEY’RE NOT TERRORISTS. Words have meanings. A “Terrorist” is a group so small they can only make political change by bombing a public bus to get the message out. Many IRA events fall in this category. If you’re an entire army, occupying an entire territory, fighting OTHER armies for territory, then no. You’re an Army, fighting military targets. It’s not Terror in any way. It’s just WAR. In this case, by proxy, and to admit that means you’d have to admit WHO the proxy is for. One nation in this war is Syria. Who’s the other? (One Guess)

    “NYPD Raid Uncovers Rifles & Ammo Linked To Illegal Alien Prison Gang In Bronx

    That’s okay: the courts already said they have no jurisdiction over illegals. They can buy any weapon they want! (No I am not kidding. I have not followed to see if this was overturned yet.)

    “Denmark Hit By ‘Whole Country’ Mobile Outage, Trains Halted

    If I understand correctly, a LOT of national critical infrastructure in the West now runs on cell phones. Things like…substation relays. Oil pipeline information units. Railroads? As well as how to get job orders to workmen via computers. Why? Alternative is to run your own CB Radio system, and that’s stupid expensive. Downside is, take out a few cell towers, take out the whole nation. Single points of failure.

    This is all AFTER 25 years of Congressional testimony of how 90% of the nation will be killed by one EMP. Don’t? Maybe?

    The FBI announced on Nov. 26 that one of the bureau’s “most wanted terrorists” was arrested by officials in Wales for alleged bombings in San Francisco in 2003.”
    “There’s a right way and a wrong way to express your views in our country, and turning to violence and destruction of property is not the right way.” That’s OUR job! If there’s a Summer of Love, the FBI is there! Monitoring every Kyle, as he gets attacked 3 times in the streets.

    “Today, there was a comprehensive operation: 90 missiles were deployed alongside 100 unmanned strike vehicles.”

    We have like 100 ATACMs total. Russia shoots that per day. Okay, great: so why doesn’t it matter?

    “• Trump May Be Oreshniked On Ukraine Even Before He Gets To China (Pepe Escobar)

    What makes you think Trump is trying to get to China? His behavior already got the concessions he needed on tariffs, and he’s not even President yet.

    “The Russians are being very diplomatic, not stressing that if Oreshnik is launched from the Russian Far East, it can easily reach most latitudes across the USA.”
    My point one. They are NOT, NOT, threatening the US. Not the Middle East. Only Europe.

    “Moreover, applying Oreshnik tech to tactical missiles – Putin late last week said this is already happening – also changes the whole tactical domain.” My point two. All “The Plan™” for the last 40 years depended on Ukraine smashing Russia and them responding with nukes. What if NEITHER is true?

    A: Carry on as it they were! Ignore Reality. Reality is #Logos, and we don’t do that.

    “Oreshnik may reach Berlin in 11 minutes and London in 19 minutes.” Point three, but perhaps not relevant: UK is shooting NUCLEAR-possible ATACMs into Russia. To decay, degrade, take off alert their automatic “Nuke everybody” response. So then they can get ONE in the clutter and nuke Moscow. Okay, Now MOSCOW shoots similar missiles and LONDON has to figure out if they’re being nuked in the next 19 minutes. Do you like that now? Would you like to stop? (A: “Death Cult”, they like that sort of thing. Wrap up in latex gimp masks with whips n’ stuff)

    ““[The system has] dozens of homing warheads that attack their targets at Mach-10 speed… Their temperature reaches 4,000 degrees,” the president added. “Anything located in the strike center is obliterated into elemental particles, reduced to dust.”

    Still surprised it can so finely powderize the area, but so far that’s true. My thought on watching them: HOW do you steer them? I mean physically, in “Reality” where there is “Time”. Okay, we are breaking off the 6 warheads, then the six munitions. When? They move so fast it’s impossible to figure the location. If you blipped a millisecond, the targeting would be miles away. Okay, then all 36 hit with perfection. Umm…where have they been testing these? The Moons of Titan? How do you do that with no testing first time? Something’s in error here, and we’ll find out about it later, but perhaps +15 years, after many of us will be dead.

    It’s enough to know these work, “first try” and they are making many. That’s our relevant fact right now, but their development – and no one in the West knew a durn thing – big question mark. On that: soooo….you’re going to fire every agency analyst now? Just like 9-12, and the last dozen complete and utter intelligence failures? While they’re still shoving a flashlight so far up my -ss at the airport they can check my pancreas?

    No. Consequences. For Failure. Ever. …They are the PMCs, the tranny army. “Every day, in every way, we f–k Up more and more.” If an expert said it, it’s false.

    “Astrakhan region — was identified for closure to civilian flights by an international notice to airmen (NOTAM).”

    Yes, but they do that so you know, that we know, that you know, that we are acting then. This is same as sending a wedding invite RSVP.

    “Only 2-3 AI companies would be allowed to exist. Complete control over development.”

    “Competition is a Sin” — JD Rockefeller.

    What is this guy talking about? EVERY industry is run like this. Central, monopoly, regulated so it’s a State-Corp merger. Classic example: All Auto manufacturers. When there were Four, that was too many, so they took out AMC. That’s way beyond the Tucker, Packard, etc. Everybody knows this. Everybody’s said this for 100 years. Yes, we have no Capitalism, because we have no Competition. We also have 100% central regulation, regulatory capture + just “make s—t up” rules to add/remove, give $23T (banks, Military) or outlaw any specific company (Tiktok), almost constantly, in Congress. Did this guy think he, or his industry was special? This is my specific point, daily: THAT’S NOT CAPITALISM. That’s the #Opposite of Capitalism. So who’s attacking the language for profit so we can’t tell what’s going on?

    Now in globalism, they do the same one level up: Stellantis owns 40 car companies, so there are 10 companies worldwide, and trying to drop the worldwide number of auto manufacturers to three. What is this, ultimately? The Soviet Socialist Bureaucratic Party system. Because it’s a Technocracy, but one they were more able to shove down on the people with two fig leaves. What are the fig leaves? Everybody claims it’s Capitalism, so they let it. They have published that this is their plan they’ve spend Trillions$$$ installing, all the way back to that Rockefeller quote in 1910.

    And he’s not entirely wrong: to have nothing means companies undercut each other until they themselves collapse from undercapitalization and tiny fluctuations in the market, destabilizing everything and killing people. Problem is, if we allow an inch in the other way, this Soviet State is installed instead with zero competition at all. So you’ll have to figure it out, I can’t allow that, and neither does our Constitution.

    “30 tech founders were secretly debanked. No warning. No explanation. No appeals.”

    If you thought we weren’t in a Stalinist State. They weren’t put in mental institutions. I mean, mostly. And “Yet”. Bunch of guys fell out of windows though. What was that Tech guy, his girlfriend’s boyfriend shot him in a car, all billionaires? Remember?

    ““There are too many duplicative regulatory agencies..”

    Yes, but if you have a SEC AND CFTC, they can BOTH shake you down and make sure nothing gets done.

    ““..to “remove Meta’s ability to remove or censor political content.”

    Good. Of course. But let’s go the other way: The internet is a garbage heap. There are a billion AI bots out there attacking all real accounts hourly. We’re already almost at the “Dead Internet” theory. I mean, for example, here. They post hateful, idiotic stuff, JUST TO MAKE TROUBLE, divide the nation, cause failures. And that’s above, stealing all money, impersonating all accounts, hitting up for charity or “help” with your bitcoin keys, false mass reporting of all copyright, or “Self harm” or anything else that’s amusing to them.

    So…plan on stopping any of that? No, because that requires EMPLOYEES. Every legit account is being reported and banned, while the very people banning them are posting their “Stolen” material and being monetized. …With material but I thought was “illegal” and “self-harm” or whatever, but when the fake person posts the same thing, suddenly it isn’t?

    And equal opportunity. As on the Right we’re aware of crybullies getting every fork lift driver fired, but there’s the bot army doing the same to the Left. …And blaming MAGA, of which no doubt there is some, but I suspect it’s just mostly setting up their political division for a Patsy. Paid by China. I mean, to attack all free speech isn’t really a Right value right now.

    What would be done? Obviously, like here, some human hosts the board and reads them. If they are out of line or illegal, they remove them. We already solved this problem 100 times, with “Libel”, “Section230”, “Publishers” etc. If I rent a convention center, don’t I get to decide who gets kicked out? Yup. And so all these boards. Reddit moderators do this, for example. They won’t, because destroying society and cohesion is their stated goal.

    “• White House Pressing Ukraine To Draft 18-Year-Olds for War (Antiwar)

    “Here’s a rifle and a bus ticket” as I say 100 times. You feel so strongly about it? Go do it.

    “We need more people in the line.”

    Who’s this “We” stuff? Lindsay thinks this is “We?” Okay, then definitely he needs to go there. I am NOT a “We”, not with him, OR with Ukraine.

    • “Good Faith” Discussions Underway To Un-Cancel NFL Redskins Logo (ZH)

    I see this constantly my whole life. In order to “Help” and undo the Indian wrongs, what we REALLY need to do is erase all Indian names, all Indian references, and all Indian culture, all Indians from history. No “Pontiacs”, no “Grand Cherokees” that make little kids ask “What’s a Cherokee?” Who was Pontiac? Then for “helping”, all Indians are portrayed as little jungle children, in a buckskin loincloth, scraping hides with a flint arrow, and not, I dunno, the largest army in North America in 1770? Each with a Kentucky rifle. Who are then still famous for sports, Ironworking? Loved worldwide as movie actors?

    Portraying them, AT ALL is racist. They need to CEASE TO EXIST. Only then can they not be racist. Am I kidding? I should be, but it’s the same here:

    ““Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.” ― George Orwell, 1984

    General Lee is torn down. General Washington is torn down. Abraham Lincoln is torn down. And Abraham Lincoln’s statue – approved by Fredrick Douglass himself personally – is torn down.

    On the Flip side, the Washington Redskins REMEMBERS Two Guns White Calf, REMEMBERS the Buffalo Nickel, REMEMBERS Pontiac, REMEMBERS Jay Silverheels, Because Progressives are the most vicious racists in the history of the world, putting Columbus himself to shame.

    In- Deus. IN God. God’s people, not the King’s people, ruled by God not a King.

    Can we just call them AmericanX? IndianX? PubliX? They love that. Nothing says “Tolerance” better than telling people who they are.

    Oh..and we must, MUST arrest all little native boys for wearing red paint, too. Tolerance.

    Until all Native children are in prison, our work of Pure Love is not yet done.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis

    #175574
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Consciousness of Sheep, doing a real, historic, and purposeful deconstruction of “Fascism”, that is to say, that the only few fully-agreed examples are totally different. https://consciousnessofsheep.co.uk/2024/11/27/a-need-for-pragmatism-one-the-end-of-the-left/ So not only does the word mean nothing but “I don’t like you, I’m crybullying to extort what I want” but it seems it ALWAYS only meant nothing. …Or from this article, even more than I remembered, I may need a brush up, it’s been a while.

    Example: “All three systems may have been collective, but the collective to which individuals were subordinate was different in each case.  Nazi Germany was a collective system based upon the Social Darwinist concept of race, from which it claimed legitimacy for its territorial expansion prior to 1941… uniting German minorities living in the various states established in the 1919 Versailles Treaty.  Stalinist communism was even broader in its ambitions, since it claimed to be the collective of the international working class… justifying Stalin’s invasion of more sovereign states than Hitler had done prior to 1941.” etc

    #175575
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Okay, you’ve conceded one point and it took five years. You’ve been playing Motte and Bailey, but BOTH your Motte and your Bailey are made of nothing, so there’s no sense retreating from one or swapping to the other. Now we can start on the others, which are much, much stupider.

    Why? Three Quarters of Jews in America aren’t religious at all. They never go to Temple, don’t read Torah, are all avowed atheists and agnostics, last saw a Rabbi at their Bar mitzvah, and indeed, neither did their parents. In what exact way is it “Their religion” not their Race, that makes them Jewish?

    That’s like saying I’m Christian because I was born. That’s it. That’s the only qualification. I was born in a “Christian” country were nobody I know or have met goes to church — not even like “Universalist Congregation of Yoda” where you have to have blue hair and a fully-inserted dildo to enter. It’s like the Robin Williams joke: “I’m not laughing at you, I’m laughing NEAR you.”

    So when an atheist is born NEAR a Christian, they become Christian. Just as a child born NEAR a Jew becomes Jewish. Even when they think, and say, and avow, that they are determined, purposeful atheists. Uh-huh. When they hate the Torah, obey nothing in it, and have never been near a temple.

    Okay, since there are allegedly 7M Jews in America, but 224M Christians, isn’t it axiomatic that everyone born here is actually Christian? Or does that depend on the hospital, the attending doctor, what exactly?

    Is it a Single Drop of Jewish blood, such that everyone on Long Island is contaminated and therefore 100% Jewish now, but the single Rabbi living in Alabama does NOT turn the whole South Gay Jewish?

    How exactly does this work that it’s not their “Race” but really their Religion that offends you?

    …When no one even inside Israel acts like they’re Jewish, you know: Gay Pride parades, n’ all. Say nothing of 10 Commandments?

    Since you’re really slow at this, let me help you: there are 700,000 Orthodox Jews in America (10% of 7M) That is to say, Jews that might legitimately be called Jews, and not Cultural or “Temple of Yoda” Jews.

    So…you still have to abduct and kill their 6-year-old girls? Since THEY are born evil? Or do you have to wait for their Bat Mitzvah when they confirm their faith, and can only murder them in the streets at 13?

    Nothing says, “I’m on the side of the Good” and “My logic is totally sound” quite like that.

    Would you like to swap back to the core racist “Single drop of Jewish blood” theory now, or stick with this one?

    #175576
    Oroboros
    Participant

    “Satellite Analysis Shows Enormity Of Secretive Oil Shipping Hub Funneling Iranian Crude To China”

    China has hypersonic MIRVs too

    They will not let Iran be destroyed.

    That would be worth the price of admission street to see China lob a hypersonics into IsRealHell command bunkers and underground nuke storage.

    Just sayin’

    Watch the inside money jump ship like bilge rats……

    Adam Taggart

    The ratio of insider selling to buying is now at a 20+ year high

    1. Stocks are at an all-time high

    2. Corp execs are huge net sellers

    3. It doesn’t take a genius to see that the insiders are cashing out while the getting is good…leaving everyone else to be the patsy when the rug-pull arrives

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    #175577
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Eurotardistan has the bestest Leadershit

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    #175578
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Before & After

    Broken Bitchez

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    Oroboros
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    Oroboros
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    #175581
    zerosum
    Participant

    The abuse of power
    Abuse of power is any attempt to apply excessive or inappropriate influence over another’s behavior or decisions, or over decisions affecting that person.
    Abuse of power is defined as using a powerful position to take unfair advantage of others in a given organization, public office, or government.
    Abuse of power refers to actions by people in positions of authority that exceed the limits of their roles and are intended to benefit their own interests.
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    “The timing, methods, and weapons employed will be determined by the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense, as each target necessitates a specific approach and appropriate weaponry.” – Putin
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    PUTIN ANNOUNCES RETALIATION STRIKES AGAINST AMERICANS, FRENCH, AND  ELECTRIC GRID TARGETS  – ORESHNIK SAVED FOR A RAINY DAY

    The Defense Ministry bulletin on Thursday night identified as targets US-made ATACMS launchers in the Sumy region and anti-ship missiles and their launchers in the Odessa region; Iskander missiles were used in these strikes.

    The Ministry also disclosed that it has targeted US and French military personnel in Kharkov and Odessa . “On 25 November as a result of a missile strike on the Kraken headquarters of the Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) in the city of Kharkov, up to 40 foreign specialists, mainly from the United States, were killed. In the city of Odessa, an Iskander strike hit the location of a temporary deployment of a unit of the special operations center responsible for combat direction and control of sea drones, killing 72 personnel including nine French instructors and technicians.”

    The Russian strike against the French is also retaliation against the new French operation in the Black Sea to plan and direct missile and drone attacks against Russian shipping at sea, and land targets in the Crimea. For more details, read this Italian report, dated November 27.
    The Defense Ministry confirmed that the Thursday morning strike hit “the objects of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine and the energy infrastructure which ensures their operation.” In total over the week until Thursday, the military report said, 100 missiles of various types and 466 Geranium-2 drones had been fired. In Thursday’s strike another 90 missiles and 100 Geranium-2 drones were launched and “hit 17 key objects of the military industry of Ukraine. The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will continue to monitor airfields, assembly areas, and routes for the movement of materiel for using long-range western weapons, and inflict fire on them.”

    Follow earlier Russian electric war operations here.

    Thursday’s raid has followed this one, eleven days earlier on Sunday, November 17.

    https://johnhelmer.net/wp-content/webpc-passthru.php?src=https://johnhelmer.net/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/map-of-november-17.png&nocache=1

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    Oreshnik

    Trump may be Oreshniked on Ukraine even before he gets to China

    The Russians are being very diplomatic, not stressing that if Oreshnik is launched from the Russian Far East, it can easily reach most latitudes across the USA.
    Moreover, applying Oreshnik tech to tactical missiles – Putin late last week said this is already happening – also changes the whole tactical domain. The new game in town is Russia being capable of unleashing ultra-high-velocity kinetic weapons literally anywhere around the world – after warning civilians to abandon the area around the targets.
    And there’s absolutely no defense against it, anywhere.
    It’s quite predictable that the woke, arrogant/ignorant MICIMATT, as well as NATO and the whole, brainwashed collective West simply have no idea what just hit them, seemingly out of the blue.
    To be concise: a system with the destructive power of a tactical nuclear weapon but carrying the precision of a top sniper’s bullet.

    Ergo, sitting duck billion-dollar aircraft carriers; the whole, 800-plus Empire of Bases; assorted underground bunkers; ICBM launch platforms; naval shipyards; not to mention NATO’s HQ in Brussels, the Aegis Ashore base in Redzikowo (Poland), the NATO joint force center in the Netherlands, southern NATO command in Naples – all these immensely expensive assets are fair game for non-nuclear Oreshniks capable of reducing them to dust in a flash after flying for mere minutes at over Mach 10.
    By now multitudes around the world are aware that Oreshnik may reach Berlin in 11 minutes and London in 19 minutes.
    Also that launched from southern Russia, Oreshnik may reach the U.S. air base in Qatar in 13 minutes; launched from Kamchatka in the Far East, it may reach Guam in 22 minutes; and launched from Chukotka, it may reach Minuteman III silos in Montana in 23 minutes.
    To quote the epic 1960s Motown hit: “Nowhere to run, baby, nowhere to hide.”
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    It goes without saying that when choosing, if necessary and as a retaliatory measure, targets to be hit by systems such as Oreshnik on Ukrainian territory, we will in advance suggest that civilians and citizens of friendly countries residing in those areas leave danger zones.
    We will do so for humanitarian reasons, openly and publicly, without fear of counter-moves coming from the enemy, who will also be receiving this information.”
    The Defense Ministry has now confirmed the escalation by the US on November 23 and 25.
    Putin will decide his retaliation before Saturday evening.
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    #175582
    jb-hb
    Participant

    IRS: …so to sum up, just gather all your info from the entire year, go over it, read all these rules, be careful to follow those rules EXACTLY, decide what you owe us, and then send in your money and paperwork

    Person: Oh, but then what happens?

    IRS: I’ll let you know if you got it right.

    Person: Uh… what happens if I got it wrong?

    IRS: Any number of things. Frozen assets, jail time, interminable court time and costs, inability to work a range of jobs due to criminality. I might surprise you with something you couldn’t predict, but basically stuff like that.

    Person: So you look at the paperwork I send and from that, you decide to do these things or not?

    IRS: No, no, nothing like that. I know what I expect from you right now.

    Person: Then why don’t you just tell me what you expect and why?

    IRS: No, no. Then it wouldn’t feel real to me.

    Person: But if it ends up being the same dollar amount anyway, I’d be happy to pay it like normal and it would be the same dollars and cents, wouldn’t it? Same either way! Cash money.

    IRS: No, I want it to be real. I want it to feel sincere, like it’s really happening.

    Person: Well, I guess if there’s some avowal of sincerity I can check off on the form I use to pay… I guess that’d be a little humiliating, but if we can straighten this whole thing out so you tell me what you want up-front, I’d be happy to checkmark a few words that make it more uh… real for you. Yeah, I guess that’d be easy to do for you. Sigh.

    IRS : No, no, you’re not getting it. I want to see it – no, I want to feel it coming from you. Doing performative lip service is so low-value, so ick. You need to treat me right and you need to make me feel like you really mean it. I can’t tell you what I want. What I need. It has to come FROM YOU.

    Person: Are you ah… sure that you’re all right? …and in the right line of business? Seems like running one of those game shows where you guess stuff – like letters get revealed or dollar values of objects have to be guessed or mysterious suitcases get opened to reveal someone’s fate after they guess, stuff like that…. seems like that’s what you’re into.

    Wouldn’t you just be happier getting what you want because you chose the right career? Like, then you’d be SURE of having these dramas you want to play out always playing out.

    IRS: You don’t get it. You just don’t get it.

    #175583
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Person: Wait I just thought of something. What if I just don’t pay you. Like, what if I don’t think this relationship is working and decide to leave.

    IRS: Nobody leaves me.

    Person: But I’d be keeping my money. I guess under the circumstances if I’m significantly better off, it’s ok to have you mad at me and thinking there’s still some relationship.

    IRS: No. I’d take your money anyway.

    Person: Well, I just wouldn’t give you cash, wouldn’t give you my financial information, and you can just pound sand then, can’t you.

    IRS: I have the ability to just go into your accounts and take the money I want

    Person: Without my permission? Without my even telling you my account numbers????

    IRS: Yes.

    Person: (throws down hat, mashes it with angry stomping) Well goddamn it if you’re just going to take the money NO MATTER WHAT, why don’t you goddamn TAKE THE MONEY and be done with it! Since you already know what’s right and you already know you’re going to take it no matter what, and you already know my accounts and everything, why don’t you get rid of all that paperwork, all those court cases, all those investigations and hate mail and all that stuff. If you’re going to just take it, then by god goddamn just TAKE it!!!!! Stop wasting everyone’s TIME!!!!!

    IRS: You don’t get it.

    #175584
    zerosum
    Participant


    NATO Troops in Ukraine? Oreshnik Details Revealed Military Summary And Analysis For 2024.11.29
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    ‘Bloodbath’: Russia ‘Wipes Out’ West-Trained Troops In Kursk | Zelensky’s Another Gamble ‘Fails’

    #175585
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ aspnaz. You said:
    I am not a racist, I can accept white, black, yellow …. any race, but what I cannot accept is the corrupt, lawless degradation of society by a small elitist group who believe that they are above the rest of society and entitled to steal and murder without consequence.

    Okay, fair enough. I can agree with that statement. However, if that is the case for you:

    – “Jew” refers to anyone who was born to someone of any of the “Jewish” races or the Jewish religion. I could renounce my membership in the religion of my birth and no longer be of it — a Jew can renounce all Jewish religion and is still a Jew.
    – there are Jewish religious sects that are not Zionist or that are anti-Zionist. They are “on our side” — but by decrying Jews, you lump the anti-Zionist Jews in with the Zionists.
    – most Jews are not a part of that “ small elitist group,” even if they have been duped by it, support Zionism, etc. For that matter, many Christians, etc., also support the cause of Zionism.

    Personally, I have come to the conclusion that Zionism is wrong — it is leading directly to genocide and apartheid. I do not support the “ small elitist group,” and I have come to the conclusion that Israelis who call for the murder of Palestinians and Gazans have permitted themselves to fall for a totalitarian mind-virus, much like what occurred to many Germans under Hitler. While these Israelis can “wake up” from the trance, they should be held individually accountable for crimes they commit against Palestinians, etc., crimes against humanity, war crimes, etc. Adults must think and “everybody else around me was doing it” is not sufficient excuse for crimes against humanity — such as blocking aid trucks to Gaza, causing Gazan civilians to deliberately starve to death. As far as the “ small elitist group” — I have no confidence that this group is isolated to only consist of people considered Jews by birth. Either there are non-Jews in this group, or there are multiples of these groups.

    Regardless of how you slice it, the word “Jew” does not adequately describe the problems of the world, and by inaccurately invoking this word you open up innocents to future genocide.

    #175589
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Biden Moves to Subsidize Ozempic With Medicare, Generating $25BN Liability Overnight
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2024-11-29/biden-regime-moves-subsidize-ozempic-medicare-bucks-generating-25-billion-liability

    Quickly! QUICKLY!!!!!!!!

    Bury people in infinite money!

    Bury the very people we wouldn’t give money to but take money FROM less than 2 months from now! Money EVERYWHERE!!!!!! Well… not for YOU hahahaha.

    Totally no money laundering, kickbacks, any of that going on. Unimaginable.

    It’s totally not weird at all the Elensky is buying bugattis and resorts and his wife is going on multimillion dollar spending sprees in Paris. Surely he had that money from the worldwide royalties on his successful ukrainian-language TV show.

    And anyway, IF it’s happening, it’s not all that much, probably just him and nobody else doing it, and anyway, it would be a good thing actually.

    On the upside….

    Elon Musk Says DOGE Will Audit The IRS
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/elon-musk-says-doge-will-audit-irs

    #175590
    tboc
    Participant

    my turn to be wordy

    #175591
    tboc
    Participant

    Start Here

    The population of the United States after the first national census in 1791 was 3,929,214.
    The population of the United States April 1, 2020, the last national census was 331,449,928.
    The population from the first U.S census to the last U.S. Census is an increase of 84.36 percent
    The number of House members is fixed at 435 members, a single seat for each state is constitutionally mandated.
    Apportionment of the remaining 385 seats in the U.S. House of Representatives is determined by the population of the individual states.

    The Tenth Amendment to The Constitution of the United States ratified December 15, 1791:
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

    United States Constitution”
    Article I
    Section 1
    All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
    Article II
    Section 1
    The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as
    follows……
    Article III
    Section 1
    The judicial Power of the United States, shall be vested in one supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish………..
    Section 2The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.
    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.
    I have struggled with the proper language for the following.
    To sum up Articles I, Article II and Article III of The Constitution of the United States in a clear and rudimentary form:
    The Congress of the United States creates and passes legislation.

    The executive branch is presented with each passed legislation and has the option to sign the bill into law, object and return the legislation to the House of origination, within 10 days while Congress is in session after which time the legislation become law, or veto the legislation. The President’s veto can be overridden by a two thirds majority vote by both Houses. Should legislation be presented to the President and the ten day period falls at a time the Congress is not in session any legislation not signed by a President, who is unable to return the legislation to Congress, is vetoed (Pocket Veto). Legislation Pocket Vetoed must follow the original procedure established for all legislation.

    The Supreme Court judges all challenges to the Constitutionality of all legislation passed into Law. The Supreme Court has the duty and responsibility to judge challenges to passed legislation concerning the Tenth Amendment to The Constitution of the United States. The powers and duties reserved to the Court are further clarified in Amendments IV through X and all subsequent amendments.

    The Congress legislates.
    The Executive under the powers and duties outline in Article II executes legislation.
    The Supreme Court guarantees Due Process.

    For the intellectually challenged:
    Congress says “do it”.
    The Executive says “do it this way”.
    The Court says “do it right”.

    The President is elected to perform the duties of Article II. The Senate has the power of advice and consent to Cabinet level Department Heads. Once the Cabinet is installed the Executive Branch creates all regulations for passed legislation to be enforced.

    NO CABINET HEAD IS ELECTED, NO DEPARTMENT EMPLOYEES ARE ELECTED. ALL REGULATIONS ARE
    PROMULGATED WITHIN THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENTS.
    “Regulations created by unelected officials” and water is wet, ice is cold and forever is a long time.
    Now I understand the dumb bastards who utter such nonsense are counting, wagering in the market, for all the other dumb bastards to stand up wave their fists and demand an end to such unconscionable horrors.

    Sit down and shut the fuck up! And I mean every single one of you entrepreneurs, investors and software engineers trying to convince the rubes to give YOU the authority to carve out the efficient method for achieving Due Process. Yes, I mean those masters of pleonexia who demand regulation for You and Free Market for ME.

    Inefficiency is embedded in the foundation of The Constitution of the United States. The checks and balances are the first bulwark against expediency. Those with memory deficient disorder might need to be reminded the second purpose stated in the Preamble to The Constitution is to “establish Justice”. As a further aid to memory Sextus Empiricus wrote “The mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind small”. The universe is not efficient it is extravagant. Personal responsibility places limits on personal action. The first purpose stated in the Preamble is “in Order to form a more perfect Union,” of self-governing human beings creating self-governing communities in self-governing states within a self-governing nation
    if all you desire is to be profitable I will not hinder you further
    Please continue your journey
    Go To Hell

    Each and every citizen of The United States has a Duty to protect and defend the constitution. Personal integrity overrides profitability in all interactions or there is no Union.
    The future is in your hands, Don’t Fuck It Up

    #175592
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #175593
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #175594
    Oroboros
    Participant

    DOGE when the IRS drops the soap in the showers

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    #175601
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Accountability

    Stings don’t it?

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    #175602
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #175603
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #175604
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Bureaucracy is the fundamental layer just below Civilization which enables its development.

    There is agriculture without cities or writing. There are no cities or writing without a complex system of irrigation, which emerges from having enough of a bureaucracy to administer it.

    Try running a nationwide cellular network without bureaucracy. Put your own hubcaps up on telephone poles and whatnot – get something going.

    So yeah.

    But the guy entrusted with the entire granary starts giving it away, maybe first on a generous impulse – hey, there’s so MUCH stored up here! – but eventually he learns he gets favors, better treatment, makes “friends.” Essentially embezzlement, just not in coin, but in benefits.

    So he develops methods of hiding what he’s doing and methods of expanding what he’s doing to increase his benefits. Maybe he has scruples and gets bumped off, replaced by someone with less scruples. It becomes easy to find ways to skim the actual grain or money from the operation.

    And eventually the expansion of programs to expand the grift necessitates establishing dominance over things that are better done by someone else. And to maintain that dominance and money/influence/benefits flow, you have to shut down competitors – people will naturally choose a real service over your fake grifting service. Not just better done, but ACTUALLY done by someone else would be obviously better.

    Soon you’ve got all these reports of lots of things being done and their costs but things keep getting worse and mysteriously, you get no value out of your spending when, looking at the dollar value, you could literally have streets paved in gold (a year or so ago, I calculated the square-footage cost to install gold leaf, the square footage of Phoenix’s road system, and found that a single govt program in Phoenix COULD completely cover every street and road in gold leaf for the same or less $)

    It’s as stupid to complain that there IS a bureaucracy as it would be for an AI to complain “It’s all just switches deciding between 1 and 0!!! Aggghhhh!!”

    But then most people complain about bureaucracy as a shorthand for the above process.

    #175605
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The IRS getting audited by the D.O.G.E.

    https://x.com/i/status/1861799465189097739

    #175606
    Oroboros
    Participant

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    #175607
    jb-hb
    Participant

    The Terrorist Offensive In Aleppo Is Meant To Deliver A Coup De Grace To Syria
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/terrorist-offensive-aleppo-meant-deliver-coup-de-grace-syria

    So what you’re telling me is, a powerful, well-supplied and armed, well-organized and led group of Islamic terrorists armed with drones and other high tech weaponry, in the midst of what the Muslims are calling a genocide of Muslims, attacked Syria as opposed to Israel. Makes sense.

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