Debt Rattle November 29 2025
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December 28, 2025 at 8:40 pm #224756
Michael Reid
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Get it? That’s the maneuver. That’s the core issue for the US. Detach (from Europe, which is dead anyway), come to Mother Russia with atonement by means of all kinds of diplomatic and economic moves which look like mutually beneficial and the real discussion on how the US will be “integrated” into the multipolar world will commence. The US is too important of a country, a military-political entity to be ignored. Europe is not. Fate of NATO? Only morons in NATO’s Brussels HQs can believe that they can fight Russia. So, it doesn’t really matter what will be the outcome of Trump and Ze “negotiations”
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http://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2025/12/yes-root-causes.htmlDecember 28, 2025 at 8:57 pm #224758tboc
Participantkultsommer do you think the world has chosen Marxist revolution as opposed to capitalism following the trajectory Marx theorized?
December 28, 2025 at 8:58 pm #224759tboc
Participanti can only speak about why things do not and will not change in the US without a calamitous event. There is no trans-demographic discontent, no universal dissatisfaction of a great enough degree to illicit civil disobedience, The quelling of the January 6, 2024 protests was brutal enough to preclude any organized societal demonstration of discontent. A majority of the US population get their information and cultural identity from television. Society suffers multiple fractures, which are strengthened by confirmation bias through social media, not a single divide. Subscription to ideology brings greater social acceptance than possesion of factual information. An almost universal philosopy that “they need to do something”. There is the accepted dogma the US economy is functional, Wealth of Nations, capitalism. Finally there is a wide spread conservatism manifested as “the devil we know”.
“all Experience hath shewn, that Mankind are more disposed to suffer, while Evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.”
The ordinary person senses the greatness of the odds against him even without thought or analysis, and he adapts his attitudes unconsciously. A huge passivity has settled on industrial society. For people carried about in mechanical vehicles, earning their living by waiting on machines, listening much of the waking day to canned music, watching packaged movie entertainment and capsulated news, for such people it would require an exceptional degree of awareness and an especial heroism of effort to be anything but supine consumers of processed goods.
Marshall McLuhan“the Forms to which they are accustomed.”
December 28, 2025 at 9:22 pm #224762December 28, 2025 at 10:47 pm #224770Michael Reid
ParticipantTypical American thinking
1kg of silver in the battery makes it worth stealingOil in a tanker makes it worth stealing
Empty tanker with no protection makes it worth stealing
The Chinese and Russians will fix that, pretty sure
December 28, 2025 at 11:24 pm #224773WES
ParticipantSilver Shorts:
Tonight, we are watching the silver shorts, go up in flames!
In the scissors, paper, and rock, game, somebody just added matches!
Watch those very dry paper silvers burn, ever so brightly!
December 28, 2025 at 11:52 pm #224782Topcat
ParticipantThe Trump Just Us Department
December 28, 2025 at 11:53 pm #224783Topcat
ParticipantDecember 28, 2025 at 11:55 pm #224784Topcat
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 12:02 am #224785Topcat
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 12:28 am #224787WES
ParticipantSilver and Gold – Ultimate Backstop is the US Government:
One must never forget that the US government started and has supported the multi decades long price suppression scheme of silver and gold. Everybody involved is just a puppet.
The weak link in this price suppression scheme wasn’t gold, but rather silver.
Low silver prices discouraged silver mining.
Since silver is also an industrial metal, it was only a matter of time before there was an opportunity to “create” a silver metal shortage.There is no real shortage of silver in the world.
The problem is a sudden shift in perception!
Anybody with real silver, can not be persuaded at the moment, to part with their real silver, in exchange for paper US dollars!This “engineered” silver shortage is a result of the really big boys playing rough in the sandbox.
It is about the power to make the rules.
Who dies, we don’t yet know.Right now the US government has found itself in the embarrassing situation were unlimited USD creation can no longer produce the real silver demanded under it’s rules based order.
The US government is losing face.
All the US bank, and silver and gold trading structures, will be backstopped by the US government with unlimited USDs.
Doing so, might then bring more questions about the value of USDs.
However, before any of this happens, Europe will go first.
I am now wondering how Europe will find the money to bail out their bank’s big silver shorts and still fund the Ukraine war?
Will the CIA be a big loser?
Nothing ever seems to be what it seems.
Somebody(s) has a big target(s) on their back!
December 29, 2025 at 12:57 am #224788WES
ParticipantSilver Update:
I see that the “paper” silver and gold brigades have commenced battle with “real” silver and gold in Asian markets!
This will be a very interesting battle to watch as it unfolds!
December 29, 2025 at 1:06 am #224789December 29, 2025 at 1:10 am #224790December 29, 2025 at 1:15 am #224791kultsommer
Participantkultsommer do you think the world has chosen Marxist revolution as opposed to capitalism following the trajectory Marx theorized?
My interest in Marx is extended only to his exact description of the capitalism and especially the late stage that we’re in
at the moment. Beyond that I am not sure given that previous socialist countries had their own problems that made them fail.
However I am intrigued by the fact that I’ve just written about the Che. People “instinctively sense” the predatory nature of capitalism and the load of BS it imposed on the humanity and placed their hope, as imaginary or even unrealistic as it is, into person associated with the communism.
While ago, out of whatever reason, had ordered Marx’s “Kapital”. What I’ve got happen to be book 2, 1932 edition, printed here in the US. Cloth lined hardcover is heavily bent of extensive use while the text is even more heavily hand underlined by the person experiencing the pain that Marx was describing in the very book.December 29, 2025 at 1:18 am #224792Michael Reid
ParticipantFrom previous post
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This isn’t a bull market. It’s a regime change. The system is broken. And the metals market is finally forcing everyone to admit it.
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ParticipantFollow up.
December 29, 2025 at 2:18 am #224799wdt
Participant>What is this new and mysterious “USB” thing?
Really? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB
Only since the turn of the century
Maybe Celtic’s computer is that old, unlikely as that is
Ever plugged in a usb stick/usb flash drive?
That has a usb plug on the endDecember 29, 2025 at 2:40 am #224800WES
ParticipantKarl Marx:
My problem with Marx was he never worked a day in his life, instead free loading off of others, to live.
So, naturally he promoted a free loading system called communism.
Since Marx never worked, he didn’t understand capitalism, over looking the basic fact that humans will only work hard for themselves, if unpaid.
Using fear to force people to do unpaid work, only takes you so far, as desperate people can lose their fear rather suddenly.
December 29, 2025 at 3:50 am #224812Michael Reid
ParticipantMy conclusion regarding climate change global warming is that it is globalist propaganda.
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the benefits of fossil fuels are so obvious that only a defect in thinking could have induced people to ignore them
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ParticipantMy problem with Marx was he never worked a day in his life, instead free loading off of others, to live.
Who wrote the books?
Mozart is said to be close to that “free loader” definition too, in his constant “reluctance” to accept secure positions offered
and rather relaying on his father’s financial support and constant indebtedness. To be fair, the positions that he was looking for never materialized, and the ones offered he, for some reason, he deemed unacceptable.December 29, 2025 at 11:26 am #224880Dr. D
ParticipantLet the counterattack begin. $10 drop in silver. That’s a nothing though. Among several levels, Vince is discussing the market structure, and it’s not 1980. Then, and with attempted raids to do the same thing in the ‘10s and ‘20s, they would cause MARKET to go. That is, IF there was a shortage, THEN market would compound debt to leverage and speculate. And this is always broken because it can be shut off (by the bankers) the government (as the Hunts) or by the exchange (Raising margin 10x in a day until the “right” people win). Change coin shop premiums to be 50%. Everyone just takes it for some reason I don’t understand.
So the point is: they TRIED that. Like Ayn Rand (has anyone seen JB?) they, or in her case the Republican, sound money people TRIED telling you. Tried arresting people. Tried getting elected. Nothing changes because that’s how this machine was built and tuned: to STOP that, while looking like it isn’t. Just as it’s built to PROTECT Epstein, not arrest him, which people still can’t get their minds around.
This is SUPPOSED to trade and find price discovery, and it does neither. The System is built to protect The System. And who is at the top there? Well finance and you won’t have to go too far: the Bankers.
So Bankers can still call the exchange and close it if it helps, or have the government arrest the exchange, AND the people, AND the Mining CEOs, AND all the traders if it helps. And they do and have. AND they can call governments and tell them “Gimmie all your Gold for peanuts…CANADA” and Canada just does it. (Only tired of picking on Brown’s Bottom, same thing) Canada then embezzles tonnes right of the Mint and no one looks into it.
Okay, we, the Ayn Rand types, learned all that. So? You still need to beat them. You don’t get to give up. The joy, satisfaction, elation, of mud-f—king them and leaving them dead in a ditch is just too great. Besides, they make our lives a living hell any minute they have so much as a toothpick to poke you with. As the mentally ill, they literally can’t stop.
So what do you do? A: Cause a REAL shortage. Which is really hard under Capitalism! It’s too capable, competent, and resilient. Which is a real surprise considering what a f– up Capitalism is most of the time. Nevertheless, that’s why this parasite does so well on a strong host, just as Marx said. (Capitalism is primary, Socialism is it’s outgrowth).
So? You still don’t get off. You have to MAKE a shortage, engineer one. So they did. It took 60 years to consume all the silver on earth, one would say an impossible, fool’s task, but they did it. And fast-forward so this doesn’t get even longer,
The Market structure is NOT financial. It is NOT speculative. There’s no pikers walking into coin shops, no one cares. Miners are not hoarding, they’re supplying, and market-makers aren’t leveraged out — although arguably, they SHOULD be. There is only ONE location in this market right now: CONSUMERS need actual, physical silver or their factories close and they go bankrupt. It’s relatively price-insensitive, as silver is a tiny rounding error to their overall costs. Let’s say they make washing machines and it uses a combined 5c in silver switches. So you’re not going to make a $1,000 retail washer because you had to raise silver price to $1? F– no, you don’t care, make it $20 I won’t care.
What does that mean, though? At the moment, the PRODUCERS are in control. Those who make (the miners) and those who make (The factories) are talking to each other. The finance people and customers are all fake, ghey saps who can go hang. Nobody cares about you, the West, the Consumer, the Bankers. You’re all 2nd derivative.
Good. The people who DO WORK, they SHOULD be in charge. That’s how it’s supposed to happen.
So at the moment, the Financial people are playing their usual games, according to the 200 year old playbook, yawn, yada da. And that WOULD work. That’s why they have and wrote that textbook. So? We had to change the structure. It all works, so long as everything is fake and symbolic, representational, not “real”. That’s why they end up in ditches when there are famines and war n’ stuff. Because that’s when reality intrudes on “The Narrative.”
We are trying to end Empire, and Re-establish “The Real” where we make and do REAL stuff, with REAL work. But as we’ve seen online, EVERYONE prefers the fake and ghey, the blue square, bunch of stupid, hollow words, to ANYTHING in “reality”. And the Bad Guys know this. So you sort of have to make them, as frustrating as that is.
So here we are. To break the system, like crypto, it can live uninjured so long as it never interacts, intersects, with the “Real”. The “Real” to finance is GOLD. But they have gold, hundreds of thousands of tons, hidden in their basements, you can’t really stop that. But you CAN erase all the silver on earth, and they will actually HELP you do it. And then when silver comes into shortage – BECAUSE it intersects with the Real, and is used – it can be RE-monetized, it will leverage up the gold price, and there’s nothing they can do about it. So far.
So they are trying to move the PRICE around, but the problem is NOT PRICE. It’s physical. Just as silver bugs have said since 1994, But there was a billion more ounces above ground back then. So jerking the PRICE won’t make it appear. Or not for a long time, like 5 years. Nevertheless, because they’re drooling, mouth breathing minions with no capacity for creativity or independent thought, they will run their playbook.
So that’s what Lanci says at the moment, and this is substantiated by mining executives. They – that is, China, that is, the PRODUCERS – called Miners on the phone and asked any price to get anything metallic (like, not slurry, or possibly things above Dore) directly. And the CEO’s yawn because they don’t have it. It’s not a stress to them, if it existed, they would sell it, but it doesn’t or they’re already in contract, so they can’t. Moving on…
But there are people on earth – like in LONDON – who CLAIM to have it. They CLAIM to have bars and will deliver to me in Guangzhou, Great! I’m saved, problem solved! …Except they CAN’T, because they ALSO borrowed that silver from China already, and need to pay it back. So there’s only one outcome: default. They, as banks, always promise what they don’t own. Oops. Bad business model, The End.
That’s what’s happening now and WHO will “default”? Now London can just “Print money” and “Keep” LBMA, Lloyd’s from going bankrupt and disappearing. Fine. But they CAN’T STOP THE DEFAULT. And that means that trading, worldwide, will go to China, who did NOT default, bc what good is a metals market that delivers no metal? (I’ve been saying for almost 20 years now) And also NY, which ALSO will not default. Because we got ahead of this and the right villains are in charge right now.
Well that’s the end. LBMA can open doors but with no customers, what’s the point? There’s no price and no action. No profit, no insider trading, and no price-fixing, which was the whole point all along. Everyone ignores them, and all Europe, same as we ignore the Bolivian and Zimbabwe Metals Exchanges.
Price means nothing right now. And $80 is actually LOW. Far, far, far too low. Compared to gold, again, $250. It’s not used in large enough quantity in anything, like solar panels, to bother switching (unlike Cat converters). And in missiles no one cares about price. It could be $400 before any of that happens, and again, it will take 5 years to get any appreciable mining on. So settle in to a long winter.
The Producers are in charge. People who do Work.
“the US will be “integrated” into the multipolar world will commence. The US is too important of a country, a military-political entity to be ignored. Europe is not.”
Yes. X12 is getting somewhere now. I’m amazed how he flip-flops back and forth but maybe he can get solid on this and stop flipping.
“This isn’t a bull market. It’s a regime change. The system is broken. And the metals market is finally forcing everyone to admit it.”
Yes. That’s the Plan. Hope so. I want people who work to be rewarded, not other way ‘round.
“Putin’s War BOMBSHELL Destroys Trump’s Ukraine Plan | Larry Johnson & Patrick Henningsen” Danny Haiphong•11K views•1 hour ago
Trump’s plan to LEAVE Ukraine? So Putin is going to make him STAY? And keep fighting? Meta-assumptions here, burned every time, day after day for 3 years. NO, Larry Silly-pants. NO, that is NOT the plan, and never has been. What you’re saying here is Trump has a Peace Plan, and Putin is trying to bomb that plan and have more War. No. Or not like that anyway. Stop being a ‘tard.
“things do not and will not change in the US without a calamitous event.” –TBOC
Yes. Very correct. However, no Revolution was ever actually run by the People. They are always spearheaded by the Elites with wealthy infighting. That’s called a “Revolt” or a “Rebellion”, it’s a Revolution when they can get the People to join one of the Elite’s sides and come along for the ride.
So I’m saying IF it was only that, AND that’s what Revolutions actually ever were in history then you’re right: we wouldn’t have one now either, it’s hopeless. However, instead, like Billionaire Geo. Washington and Plantation Owners Madison, Wealthy N.E. shippers Hancock, etc, they are all agitating against OTHER ELITES. Because they can’t succeed without our help we have them over a barrel and can extract concessions from them, which isn’t normally very possible. So IF you want our help, from The People, THEN, behave yo-self. Get law to engage and be just again, etc, and we won’t also hang you too. Be a competent government that gets things done, that’s what you yourselves are rebelling against, in Gov. Gage and today’s Globalists too. So history says.
Kultsummer, that 1932 edition sounds awesome. And a historic and highly influential book.
“…but the real things haven’t changed. It is important to be honest and sincere, to be happy with simple things, to be cheerful and to have the courage to face things when they go wrong.” – Laura Ingalls Wilder
December 29, 2025 at 12:48 pm #224891Michael Reid
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 1:30 pm #224898D Benton Smith
ParticipantPay close, careful and detailed attention to what the EU is doing to Col. Jacques Baud to shut him up, shut him down and just generally erase him from the human race and prevent him or any of his friends do what it takes to be alive. Its the same thing they and the rest of the Blob Empire tried to do with Russia, what Trump is trying to do with BRICS, and a lot like what Canada did to the protesting truckers back in Covid Days. It didn’t work in those cases and it won’t work now either.
Here’s the good part: not only will such a strategy not work in destroying its intended victim and forcing them back into compliant servitude, it will have (it IS having) the exact opposite effect. It is forcing the intended victime to find and build alternative methods of survival (that are working better and better) and winds up making them stronger and stronger and stronger… to the point that they can survive quite nicely WITHOUT the “help” or permission of its former master.
Indeed, it’s the former master who better worry about staying alive. It’s tough to be a pimp when the girls find out they don’t need him anymore.
December 29, 2025 at 1:58 pm #224900D Benton Smith
ParticipantThe mental/spiritual mechanism that I described and exampled in the preceding comment explains why the bad guys always get rich and lose… and the good guys always get hurt badly and win.
We could all save ourselves a lot of time, money, effort and personal suffering if we just skipped the bad guy stuff as any sort of solution to our problems, and went straight to the good guy stuff and got busy winning.
December 29, 2025 at 2:36 pm #224903D Benton Smith
ParticipantEverybody that I know of, myself included of course, has operated on the basis that they did not need to know the details of how things all around us actually worked. When we needed something to work that we didn’t know how to make it work we just found someone that we trusted (who we believed knew stuff that we didn’t know) and asked them to make it work or at least tell us how.
That’s fine, for as long as you have and can find trusted sources and experts anbd authorities who have your best interests at heart. But when the “trusted” experts turn out to be not very trustworthy and a lot less expert than they tout themselves to be, then we’ve got a problem.
Well, folks, we’ve got a problem. The trusted authorities are a lot worse than untrustworthy. They’re out to take your lunch money because they want it for themselves, and they don’t know shit about how things actually WORK properly. They’re GREAT at short-term stealing, but when it comes to long term workability they are a literal nightmare.
Looks like you’re going to have to either find some truly trustworthy sources and helpers or become one your self. I don’t see how you have any other choice, except losing.
December 29, 2025 at 3:09 pm #224911D Benton Smith
ParticipantThe following news clip is just too good to not inject into today’s commentary stream. Enjoy. And it isn’t fully off topic in any case.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/we-are-governed-by-a-class-of-gullible-idiots-it-s-that-simple/ar-AA1TdlD0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=8637e6975c3c4da894ace9cd3bd48553&ei=22December 29, 2025 at 3:26 pm #224912D Benton Smith
ParticipantAnother too-good-to-miss interview. It’s on the longish side (an hour) but for the entire hour a blunt and honest man lays out the blunt and honest truth. Like a deep draft from the fountain of refreshment.
December 29, 2025 at 3:32 pm #224913Michael Reid
ParticipantThe US is going backwards
December 29, 2025 at 3:51 pm #224917Topcat
ParticipantNick Shirley and Tim Walz
The Terminator and the Prey
Walz has already peed his panties
December 29, 2025 at 3:56 pm #224919Topcat
Participant1980’s Dads teaching ‘life lessons’
Kinda like the current silver market manipulators
December 29, 2025 at 4:04 pm #224920Michael Reid
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 4:14 pm #224921Topcat
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 4:15 pm #224922Topcat
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 4:15 pm #224923kultsommer
ParticipantNovak Djokovic sportsman of the year 2025.
Not only that.December 29, 2025 at 4:20 pm #224924kultsommer
ParticipantTim Waltz has that forgotten look of a silent era movie actor.
All that is missing are the flickering dots in front of his face.December 29, 2025 at 4:35 pm #224925D Benton Smith
ParticipantAnd if they were getting away with it in Minnesota on that scale (and they are) then they are getting away with it at that scale in every other state as well, because it is all being coordinated and legally protected from Washington and beyond (like London, Basel and Tel Aviv).
I wonder if they can stuff the monster back under the bed or if the rest of the boogeymen come tumbling out of the closet now that it’s broad public knowledge of how they are moving the money around to themselves.
December 29, 2025 at 4:50 pm #224926zerosum
ParticipantKyiv launched an attack on the residence of the President of Russia,
– Lavrov
On the night of December 29, UAVs attacked the Novgorod region, where the state residence of the president is located; 91 UAVs were destroyed;
The targets and timing of Russia’s retaliatory strike after the attack on Putin’s state residence have been determined; Moscow’s negotiating position will be revised taking into account the final transition of the Kiev regime to the policy of state terrorism; There was no information about casualties and damage; Russia does not intend to withdraw from the negotiation process after the attack of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Putin’s state residence.
https://t.me/RVvoenkor/106532December 29, 2025 at 5:51 pm #224929Michael Reid
ParticipantDecember 29, 2025 at 6:40 pm #224930zerosum
ParticipantMilitary Situation In Ukraine On December 29, 2025 (Maps Update)
https://southfront.press/military-situation-in-ukraine-on-december-29-2025-maps-update/Russian strikes destroyed targets in the Sumy, Odesa, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhzhia regions;
Russian Geran drones attacked a target in the port of Yuzhny in Odessa region;
Russian Geran drones attacked targets in the area of Vasylkivka in Dnipropetrovsk region;
The Russian offensive continues in the Seversk, Pokrovsk, Kupyansk, Dnipropetrovsk, and Zaporizhzhia directions;
Russian forces advanced in the Sumy direction;
Russian forces advanced in the Seversk direction;
Russian forces advanced in the Guliaipole direction;
Ukrainian losses amounted to approximately 1,181 troops over the past 24 hoursPosted by: smartfox | Dec 29 2025 18:05 utc | 71
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