Debt Rattle November 3 2024
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November 3, 2024 at 2:45 pm #173272
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ParticipantRitual Humiliation of Duh’merica
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November 3, 2024 at 2:58 pm #173273my parents said know
ParticipantSo what voting districts will the democrats rig in favor of trump so they can claim he cheated?
An “election false flag” so to speak.November 3, 2024 at 3:27 pm #173274John Day
ParticipantFinal Countdown https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/final-contdown
From 9/12/24, How to Steal an Election: US Conservatives Expose Democrats’ Playbook Ahead of 2024 Vote
“Election theft has always been present in America,” US economist and former Reagan administration official Dr. Paul Craig Roberts wrote. “In the 19th century, a vote could be bought for 50 cents and a half pint of whiskey. But in the 21st century, organized vote theft is a big business.”
The economist pointed out that “normally, it does not matter to the ruling establishment which candidate wins, because the establishment owns both candidates.” However, in 2016, 2020, and 2024, Donald Trump emerged as a player “outside the grip and control of the establishment. Therefore, to keep him out of office, vote fraud has been elevated to the fore,” as per the economist. https://sputnikglobe.com/20240912/how-to-steal-an-election-us-conservatives-expose-democrats-playbook-ahead-of-2024-vote-1120119743.html So who has the report? Putin Releases 4,000 Page Report Exposing How Elites Have Rigged 2024 US Election
The US presidential election has been rigged to ensure the people do not choose the president, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin who has painstakingly compiled a 4,000 page report forensically detailing the crimes of the US Deep State and globalist elites. According to Putin, the global elite believe the consequences of the US election are far too important to allow the American people to decide the outcome, and the 4,000 page report lists Klaus Schwab, Barack Obama, Bill Gates, and George and Alex Soros as co-conspirators in the plot against the USA. https://x.com/tpvsean/status/1851760343489405075“Fraudulent” Mail Ballot Request Forms Found In Another Pennsylvania County, District Attorney Says https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fraudulent-mail-ballot-request-forms-found-another-pennsylvania-county-district-attorney
From 10/16/24, U.S. Postal Service refusing to disclose who paid for nine trucks that transferred up to 1.5 million counterfeit election ballots in 2020
A federal court is about to force the United States Postal Service (USPS) to fess up about who was behind those infamous nine trucks in Pennsylvania that transferred upwards of 1.5 million counterfeit ballots during the 2020 election, effectively throwing the state for Joe Biden. https://www.naturalnews.com/2024-10-16-usps-trucks-counterfeit-ballots-election-2020-lawsuit.htmlNovember 3, 2024 at 3:27 pm #173275John Day
Participant“There Are NO WATCHERS”: RNC Sues Georgia Counties Over “Last Minute” Decision To Accept Weekend Ballots, Block GOP Observers https://www.zerohedge.com/political/there-are-no-watchers-rnc-sues-georgia-counties-over-last-minute-decision-accept-weekend
Voter confidence rattled after voting machines malfunction across Illinois
In viral social media posts, voters say they walked out of a Schaumburg early voting site after the ballot scanner stopped working. https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/voter-confidence-rattled-after-voting-machines-malfunction-across“It Did Occur” – Kentucky County Clerk Confirms Voting Booth ‘Glitch’ Shifted Trump Votes To Kamala https://www.zerohedge.com/political/it-did-occur-kentucky-county-clerk-confirms-voting-booth-glitch-shifted-trump-votes
From 7/25/24, Is US Democratic System Crumbling? Voters on Both Sides of Aisle Losing Trust in Election https://sputnikglobe.com/20240725/is-us-democratic-system-crumbling-voters-on-both-sides-of-aisle-losing-trust-in-election-1119496178.html
Americans’ Trust in Media Remains at Trend Low
Trust in political and civic institutions highest for local (67%) and state (55%) governments, lowest for media (31%) and Congress (34%). [Graphs won’t copy/paste] https://news.gallup.com/poll/651977/americans-trust-media-remains-trend-low.aspxNovember 3, 2024 at 3:28 pm #173276John Day
Participant PATRICK LAWRENCE: Portents of Chaos At this moment it is hard to locate the limit of what either of the two main political parties in the U.S. will do to avoid losing.
If this election is about anything — apart from the price of groceries, of course — it is about the national-security state’s place in American politics. In our post–2016 era, intel and the military are perfectly welcome to operate openly, unabashedly, in the American political process — this because the Democratic Party gives them a wide berth to do so.
Now, do you think the Deep State gives a toot about democratic process? Ask the Italians and the Greeks, the Iranians and the Guatemalans, the Japanese, the South Koreans and the Indonesians, the Chileans and the Venezuelans, and…
..I recall, very imperfectly, seeing research purportedly done by a computer scientist at one of the universities in Philadelphia. Just after the election he or she put out a series of screenshots on social media, time-stamped to the second, that appeared to show the results in a significant number of districts changing all at once and by enough to give Biden a swift come-from-behind victory by a margin of slightly more than 1 percent. https://consortiumnews.com/2024/10/31/patrick-lawrence-portents-of-chaos/ With just a week until the presidential election, Donald Trump’s close ally and major economic adviser Elon Musk is warning supporters to expect economic chaos, a crashing stock market and financial “hardship” — albeit “temporary” — if Trump wins. https://endtimeheadlines.org/2024/11/elon-musk-predicts-hardship-economic-turmoil-and-a-stock-market-crash-if-trump-wins/
Trump promises ‘influential positions’ for Musk and Kennedy
The Republican candidate has indicated that RFK Jr. would “take care of health,” while the Tesla CEO would work on cutting government spending https://swentr.site/news/606875-trump-musk-rfk-roles/ WATCH: RFK Jr. Explains Plan for Reforming the CIA
‘The entire upper echelon of that agency is made of individuals who don’t believe in the institutions of the United States of America…’ https://headlineusa.com/watch-rfk-jr-explains-plan-for-reforming-the-cia/ Trump’s Potential Treasury Pick Vows Spending Cuts In Partnership With Musk
Billionaire John Paulson said he would work with Elon Musk to cut federal spending, particularly by reducing green energy subsidies, if appointed Treasury Secretary under Trump’s administration. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trumps-potential-treasury-pick-vows-spending-cuts-partnership-muskNovember 3, 2024 at 3:29 pm #173277John Day
ParticipantRon Paul “Revolution” Reignites After Elon Musk Asks Libertarian Legend To Join Department Of Gov’t Efficiency
On Friday evening, AFpost wrote on X, “Ron Paul says he wants to join Elon Musk to cut government waste in second Trump administration.”
Musk chimed in on X: “It would be great to have Ron Paul as part of the Department of Government Efficiency!”
Ron Paul responded: “I’d be happy to talk with you about it, Elon.” https://www.zerohedge.com/political/ron-paul-revolution-after-musk-asks-libertarian-legend-join-department-govtJill Stein, Presidential Candidate for the Green Party Takes a Firm Stance against Genocide in Palestine https://www.globalresearch.ca/jill-stein-presidential-candidate-for-the-green-party-takes-a-firm-stance-against-genocide-in-palestine/5871695
Leading Up to the Elections: The War Against the Palestinians Must Go On, Both major political parties connive at Israel’s genocide in Gaza https://www.globalresearch.ca/war-palestinians-go-on/5871612
Chris Hedges: Genocidal Scorecard
A United Nations report, published on Monday, lays out in chilling detail the advances made by Israel in Gaza as it seeks to eradicate “the very existence of the Palestinian people in Palestine.” This genocidal project, the report ominously warns, “is now metastasizing to the West Bank, including East Jerusalem.”
The Nakba or “catastrophe,” which in 1948 saw Zionist militias drive 750,000 Palestinians from their homes, carry out more than 70 massacres and seize 78 percent of historic Palestine, has returned on steroids. It is the next and, perhaps, final chapter in “a long-term intentional, systematic, State-organized forced displacement and replacement of the Palestinians.”
Francesca Albanese, the U.N. Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, who issued the report, titled “Genocide as colonial erasure,” makes an urgent appeal to the international community to impose a full arms embargo and sanctions on Israel until the genocide of Palestinians is halted. She calls on Israel to accept a permanent ceasefire. She demands that Israel, as required by international law and U.N. resolutions, withdraw its military and colonists from Gaza and the West Bank, including East Jerusalem…
..A leaked Israeli Ministry of Intelligence “concept paper” from October 2023 outlines the plan to expel the entire Gaza population to Egypt and recolonize Gaza. It is a plan Israel appears to be following.
Albanese writes that Israel is replicating the patterns of past genocides. It creates through its rhetoric a “vengeful atmosphere” that conditions soldiers to be “willing executioners.” It claims it is acting in self-defense while targeting a civilian population. It is obliterating the infrastructure that sustains life, a process of “genocide by attrition.” It uses starvation as a weapon. It is attempting to hide its crimes by killing Palestinian journalists and U.N. workers and blocking international agencies and the international media from Gaza.
We have seen genocide before. We have also seen the complicity or silence of nations that have the power to intervene. https://scheerpost.com/2024/10/30/chris-hedges-genocidal-scorecard/ UN briefing in US Congress cancelled after Rapporteur labelled ‘anti-Semitic’
A planned briefing to Congress by the UN’s Special Rapporteur on Palestine, Francesca Albanese, on Gaza was cancelled due to political pressure, according to organisers.
American author and human rights activist, Medea Benjamin, shared a video expressing frustration at Congress, with Albanese noting that her report highlighted Israel’s crimes against Gaza, questioning the US role in undermining 75 years of progress in international law.
In a video posted on X, Benjamin criticised Congress, citing allegations in Jewish Insider that labelled Albanese’s position as anti-Semitic, which reportedly led Democratic leadership to pressure for the cancellation. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20241030-un-briefing-in-us-congress-cancelled-after-rapporteur-labelled-anti-semitic/November 3, 2024 at 3:29 pm #173278John Day
ParticipantB-52 bombers and destroyers deployed: Is Iran on high alert? https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2024/11/02/b-52-bombers-and-destroyers-deployed-is-iran-on-high-alert/
Iran has officially declared a NOTAM (notice to air missions) from November 4 at 2:30 am until November 6 at 6:30 pm. Air travel restrictions confirmed. It appears the hyper-sonics are ready to hit Israel. https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/iran-issues-notam-november-4-thru-6
Professor Ugo Bardi asked this a year and a half ago, but it is time to stand-up and join-in. The Age of Exterminations -VII: Can we survive by going undercover?
Many ideas are floating in the memesphere on how to survive the current situation. Some people think of moving to a country ruled by less dangerous governments, others of retreating to an agricultural village in some remote area, and others about the possibility of going undercover. That is, disappearing from the sight of the government, waiting for better times that might come in the future. And even acting to bring those times closer.
Is it possible? Could you really hide in a world that’s becoming more and more like the fabled “panopticon,” a prison where the jailers have a full view of everything that the prisoners do? Difficult, surely, but it is also true that we still maintain a certain degree of freedom inside our brains, provided that we don’t expose them to government propaganda. So, could people who think alike in certain matters get together and form a secret network? https://www.senecaeffect.com/2022/05/the-age-of-exterminations-v-can-we.htmlThere is a review of Ugo’s recently released “Exterminations” book here, with more coming from other scientists who have read it. Exterminations: a Review https://senecaeffect.substack.com/p/exterminations-a-review
The $16 book ($5.99 on Kindle) is available here: Exterminations Paperback – October 13, 2024, by Ugo Bardi
Human history is full of mass exterminations. We are witnessing more than one right now. Blaming exterminators is not enough: if we don’t want to be the next victims, we must understand why exterminations take place, how they develop, what can make them stop. This is what this book is about. Starting from the statistical studies by the author about the past patterns of wars, it takes a wide sweep at the phenomenon that goes from our remote ancestors to the current situation.
November 3, 2024 at 3:30 pm #173279John Day
Participant Khamenei Warns Israel Of ‘Crushing Response’ – Ramping Up Rhetoric Ahead Of US Election
Iranian Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has issued a new fierce warning to the United States and Israel at a moment there continues to be speculation that Iran could hit back for the last early Saturday morning attack by Israel which involved over 100 IAF jets attacking Iranian military sites.
He addressed an audience of students connected with the anniversary of the 1979 takeover of the US embassy in Tehran by Islamic revolutionary students. “The enemies, whether the Zionist regime or the United States of America, will definitely receive a crushing response to what they are doing to Iran and the Iranian nation and to the resistance front,” the 85 year old Shia cleric said.
It’s unclear if this means Iran is preparing a response. He previously said that Iranian leaders would weigh a potential response and that the last weekend attack “should not be exaggerated nor downplayed.”…
..Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu signaled on Thursday that Iran’s nuclear program could be Jerusalem’s next line of attack as Tehran promises to return fire following last week’s air strikes.
“The supreme objective that I have set for the IDF and the security services is to prevent Iran from attaining nuclear weapons,” Netanyahu said while speaking at a course graduation ceremony for soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). “Halting the nuclear program has been – and remains – our chief concern”.
“I have not taken, we have not taken, and we will not take, our eyes off this objective,” Netanyahu added. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/khamenei-warns-israel-crushing-response-ramping-rhetoric-ahead-us-electionThe October 5 Seismic event in Iran had no pre-tremors, just a huge shock with decaying echoes, like an underground explosion, not like an earthquake.
Iran earthquake sparks speculation of covert nuclear weapons test
The possibility that Iran carried out a nuclear test is being discussed at high levels in Tehran amid Israeli threats to bomb the Islamic Republic’s nuclear infrastructure https://thecradle.co/articles/iran-earthquake-sparks-speculation-of-covert-nuclear-weapons-test Only one thing can bring peace to Middle East – Moscow
The creation of an independent Palestinian state is what can guarantee an end to the conflict, Russia’s foreign minister has said https://swentr.site/news/606858-lavrov-middle-east-peace/ Israel wants Russia to mediate peace – media [The post-genocide desert called “peace”.]
The Jewish state reportedly believes that Moscow’s participation in negotiations would add stability to any future deal
According to the reports, West Jerusalem expects that Moscow’s involvement could add stability to any future deal and reduce dependence on the US.
“The Russians will have a special role in implementing the agreement and preventing further escalation,” a source told Ynet.
Commenting on the reports, Orna Mizrahi, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, told Newsweek that while Israel “prefers the Americans,” it understands that Russia’s “good relations” with Iran could contribute to the stability of any deal on Lebanon reached in the future. https://swentr.site/news/606862-israel-russia-peace-lebanon/Thanks Wigs, US Citizen Who Helped Russian Military Plan Attacks on Ukraine Forces Gives First Press Conference
Russian security forces have taken US citizen Daniel Martindale, who was helping Russian forces, out of territory under Ukraine’s control, security agencies told Sputnik...
..The American, who passed valuable information to the Russian military, has been in Ukraine since February 11, 2022, security agencies told Sputnik.
Martindale stated that he is in Moscow voluntarily and showed documents, adding that he initially came to Ukraine from Poland, where he was a missionary, and wanted to get to Donetsk.
He also added that his US passport helped him get through Kiev and Kramatorsk and thanked Russian security services for coordinating the operation of his evacuation and those soldiers who crossed the front lines to evacuate him...
..Martindale stated that the Kiev regime is responsible for kidnapping and should be completely disarmed, while noting that Kiev is responsible for the death, murder, torture, kidnapping of hundreds of thousands of people.
He further noted that the Kiev authorities should be tried like German war criminals and called for organizing a tribunal against them. https://sputnikglobe.com/20241102/russian-forces-took-us-daniel-martindale-who-helped-russian-military-from-ukraine-forces-territory-1120752763.htmlNovember 3, 2024 at 3:30 pm #173280John Day
ParticipantGrasping at straws… UK Foreign Secretary Blames Civil Unrest In Europe On “Russian Disinformation” https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/uk-foreign-secretary-blames-civil-unrest-europe-russian-disinformation
Big Serge, The Forest and the Trees: Ukraine’s Strategic Dissipation, Russo-Ukrainian War: Autumn 2024
Ukraine is now waging war as if – as if NATO intervention can eventually be provoked, as if Russia will crack and walk away from vast territories that it already controls, and as if western assistance can provide a panacea for Ukraine’s deteriorating state on the ground. It all adds up to a blind plunge forward in the abyss, hoping that by escalating and radicalizing the conflict either Russia will break or NATO will step in. In either scenario, however, Ukraine is counting on powers external to it, trusting that NATO will provide a sort of deus ex machina that rescues Ukraine from ruination.
Ukraine stands today as a stark example of strategic dissipation. Having opted to eschew anything less than the most maximalist sort of victory – full re-attainment of the 1991 borders, NATO membership, and the total defeat of Russia – it now proceeds full speed ahead, with a material base and a gloomy picture on the ground that is utterly unmoored from its own conception of victory. The “victory plan”, such as it exists, is little more than a plea for rescue. https://bigserge.substack.com/p/the-forest-and-the-trees-ukraines North Korean Official In Moscow: US & S. Korea Plotting Nuclear Strike [since 1951…]
New statements from North Korean Foreign Minister Choe Son Hui suggest tensions with the West are higher than ever. She said from Moscow, where she is meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, that her country is coming under nuclear threat by the US and South Korea.
She “accused the United States and South Korea of plotting a nuclear strike against her country,” Reuters reports Friday. “She did not provide evidence to back her assertion, but spoke of regular consultations between Washington and Seoul at which she alleged such plotting took place.”
The top diplomat also pledged that North Korea will not stop helping Russia until it achieves ‘victory’ on the battlefield in Ukraine. https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/north-korean-official-moscow-us-skorea-plotting-nuclear-strikeSouth Korean fighter planes and pilots are already in Romania. South Korean Parliament Warns President Sending Arms To Ukraine Risks War With Kim Jong Un https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/south-korean-parliament-warns-president-sending-arms-ukraine-risks-war-kim-jong-un
Gilbert Doctorow, ‘Judging Freedom’ edition of 31 October 2024: a review of the BRICS Summit
The main point I was trying to make is that the Summit revealed some very unexpected decisions by the BRICS team on how to prioritize its future activities and expansion. They are not planning a frontal assault on the existing world financial structures. They are not building an alternative global system to rival SWIFT. The reason for this, as I see it is not just the technical difficulties but the practical consideration that they do not want to coerce existing and future members of the BRICS inner club and outer circle of Partners to jump with both feet into their camp and to deprive themselves of the proven advantages of SWIFT as if they were under sanctions like Russia and Iran.
Similarly, de-dollarization is going to proceed as an indirect, not direct consequence of BRICS activities. The main mover is the consolidation of oil and gas trading in BRICS Members and Partners. That Nigeria and Algeria have been invited to join as Partners is one more proof of this. The relevance is that the single largest commodity in global trade is hydrocarbons, which have traditionally been priced in dollars – hence the ‘petrodollar’ as a global force underpinning the strength of the dollar as a reserve currency. Among the BRICS members there is a strong shift to the Yuan and other of their own national currencies, all of which is progressively dethroning the dollar in this key sector. https://gilbertdoctorow.com/2024/10/31/judging-freedom-edition-of-31-october-2024-a-review-of-the-brics-summit/November 3, 2024 at 3:31 pm #173281John Day
Participant Details and names: BRICS Grows, Adding 13 New ‘Partner Countries’ at Historic Summit in Kazan, Russia https://scheerpost.com/2024/10/30/brics-grows-adding-13-new-partner-countries-at-historic-summit-in-kazan-russia/
Jim Rickards, “The American System” Made America Great
From 1790–1962, the United States pursued high tariff policies under a program known as the American System.
It was created by George Washington’s secretary of the Treasury, Alexander Hamilton, who drafted a report to Congress called the Report on Manufactures presented in 1791. Hamilton proposed that in order to have a strong country, America needed a strong manufacturing base with jobs that taught skills and offered income security. To achieve this, Hamilton proposed subsidies to U.S. businesses so they could compete successfully against more established U.K. and European businesses.
These subsidies might include grants of government land or rights of way, purchase orders from the government itself or outright payments. This was a mercantilist system that encouraged a trade surplus and the accumulation of gold reserves.
Hamilton’s plan was later proposed on a broader scale by Kentucky Sen. Henry Clay. This new plan began with the Tariff of 1816. Later on, Abraham Lincoln adopted the American System as his platform in the election of 1860, and it became a bedrock principle of the new Republican Party.
It was affirmed by William McKinley at the end of the 19th century and by Dwight Eisenhower in the 1950s. The 19th and early 20th centuries were a heyday of the American System. This period was characterized by enormous economic growth and population expansion by the U.S.
The American System was also accompanied mostly by low inflation or even deflation (which increases the purchasing power of everyday citizens) despite occasional financial panics and some inflation during the Civil War.
The key takeaway is that America grew rich and powerful from 1787–1962, a period of 175 years, using tariffs, subsidies and other barriers to trade to nurture domestic industry and protect high-paying manufacturing jobs. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/american-system-made-america-greatBuffett Calls The Top: Berkshire Dumps 100 Million Apple Shares As Unprecedented Selling Spree Boosts Cash To Record $325 Billion Dollars https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/buffett-calls-top-berkshire-dumps-100-million-apple-shares-unprecedented-selling-spree
November 3, 2024 at 3:32 pm #173282John Day
ParticipantThe Wayback-Machine has been frozen by repeated attacks; no new page entries can be entered ;-( The Internet Is Getting Flushed Down Orwell’s Memory Hole https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2024/11/01/the-internet-is-getting-flushed-down-orwells-memory-hole-n4933849
A witness in the ongoing Sean “Diddy” Combs case says that he has several sex tapes that allegedly feature “intoxicated” and “victimized” celebrities, including two who were underage. During an interview with NewsNation, Courtney Burgess, who testified against Combs before a grand jury in Manhattan, claimed that he has in his possession flash drives featuring videos of eight celebrities with Diddy. https://modernity.news/2024/11/02/witness-in-diddy-case-claims-to-have-sex-tapes-with-intoxicated-celebrities-and-minors/
The Biden-Harris Administration Wasted Nearly One Billion on Misinformation
The (Uni) party of “Science” apparently misled hundreds of millions of people on the actual science surrounding the Covid-19 pandemic. Stop the presses.
Starting in early 2020, the combined efforts of Dr. Anthony Fauci, the CDC, the Department of Health and Human Services, and their partners in the media caused an untold amount of damage to society and public health and might have even created conditions for increased Covid spread. How? By repeatedly, profoundly, and often purposefully communicating inaccurate information while spending hundreds of millions of dollars to get their preferred messages across.
Now, a new, massive 113-page report from the US House of Representatives Energy & Commerce Committee has detailed the remarkable abuses from the Biden-Harris administration and the manner in which they communicated during Covid. https://brownstone.org/articles/the-biden-harris-administration-wasted-nearly-one-billion-on-misinformation/November 3, 2024 at 4:18 pm #173283Just Some Randomer
Participant@Dr D: “Point: If Britain of all people can function with nearly no bureaucracy, get all that done up to 1901, then maybe we can do with 90% less and STILL have 4 Times the bureaucracy they did in their heyday?”
Quite so. At the height of Empire, the jewel in the crown (India, with its population in the hundreds of millions) was run by a Civil Service staff of no more than 1,200 mostly British administrators. I’ve worked for companies that had more people than that in their HR department.
November 3, 2024 at 4:43 pm #173289jb-hb
ParticipantI think Bureaucracy is getting a really bad rap here.
When you went to school or studied history, you probably got the typical Hunter Gatherers > Slash-n-Burn > Agriculture > Excess storable food enables specializations leading to kings, soldiers, scribes, libraries ergo civilization.
They are MISSING a step. New Guinea, for instance, was found to be intensively, INTENSIVELY farmed when Europeans finally realized the dense populations existed, hidden in the island’s interior. Ad they had NO scribes, no cartwrights, no smiths, no bankers, no chandlers, no libraries, no beer breweries, no courthouses, no hotels… I could go on.
Agriculture is NOT the base level on which Civilization rests, because CIVILIZATION originated dependent on a sophisticated irrigation system like Egypt or Mesopotamia. A sophisticated irrigation system spanning hundreds of square miles requires a water-Bureaucracy (dept of water and power…)
When the Mongols came through Mesopotamia, they damaged the physical irrigation infrastructure, but more importantly, they absolutely slaughtered the population – the persistent Bureaucratic culture was wiped out. Since the Mongols, Mesopotamia did not recover its population levels until the 20th century! It took oil and the internal combustion engine to finally recover from the Mongols, who did their destruction with swords and horses. THAT is how impressive and effective the bureaucratic accomplishment had been. Like well, we still cannot organize as well as they did, but we can brute-force it with all this petrochemical power.
Civilization rests on bureaucracy. It HAS TO. Try having it without and all you have is some illiterate subsistence farming villages. Then try running a nationwide cellular network without it.
Thus, the rise and fall of civilization should be understood by taking a very very close look at how its bureaucracy is doing. The barbarian invasions of Rome and the Muslim invasions of Persia and Byzantium had far more to do with bringing a simpler, less obstructive, more healthy bureaucracy than anything else. Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch, Hippo, etc did not rebel against the Muslims when they went under the tide. WHY? Why would they have wanted to? You pay your tax and do practically anything you like. Convert and you don’t even have to do the tax.
But is the bureaucracy SICK? Has it fallen ill?
What can we fucking simplify? Banking? Who needs the gigantic blob of banking? It can all be automated, the currency switched to bitcoin or something. What do we need all these fees and debt and people with huge control over the money flows, perverting our economy massively, what SERVICE do they provide us?
Having rules or having a bureaucracy create rules isn’t bad. Seriously it is not!
I’ve had MANY occasions of working with a GOOD document, concise, reasonable, well-written, gets the customer from A to B. And some authoritarian idiot in front of me insists I “follow the rulez” totally contrary to it. I can print it out and put the physical document in their face. I can read it aloud to them.
No matter what I do, they will have a conversation with my left ear in either a monotone or sing songy voice telling me I “must Follow The Rules” and then, knowing the consequences, they immediately duck out on unscheduled PTO. Their car may have made a hypersonic boom as it left the parking lot. They KNOW.
What makes it sick?
1. Smart people using it for financial gain – some kind of straight-up embezzlement
2. Less-smart people doing career advancement at the expense of their fellow employees, customers, and stockholders.
3. Stupid people navigating the bureaucracy for perceived social value and/or status at the expense of their fellow employees, customers, and stockholders. (asskissing, groupthink, virtue signaling, all heading the bureaucracy of into crazy, wasteful territory — at the expense of their fellow employees, customers, and stockholders. fuck THOSE guys, amirite? We follow the crowd – every one of us in this crowd)
4. Stupid people with personality disorders compulsively playing out their defense mechanisms. Being put in a position of authority is a bit like getting drunk. Lowered inhibitions. “In Vino Veritas.” Once they reach a position in which they can indulge freely, they can just sit there, unambitious, for DECADES, refining techniques (triangulation, future faking, induced conversation, isolating, devaluation, gaslighting, creating and sending flying monkeys, etc etc) directing energies of the company towards invisible nonexistent purposes, typically picking out and ruining or driving away the company’s best human resources — they pick the GOOD ones for abuse. They choose the bad ones as pets.
5. Incompetent or unprincipled people who have no particular agenda nor compulsion. Sometimes this is the most dangerous. Stupidity is dangerous because it is totally unpredictable by smart people – you cannot guard against it. And these people can and will go along with ANY of the above types. Or they will allow some glaring inefficiency or stupidity in the system exist for years and years without even speaking up. Doing so would not compute.
6. People with an agenda of their own totally outside of the organization’s, totally outside of any comprehensible personal gain, satisfaction, or self-indulgence. (DEI, etc)
7. People who have been so brainwashed that even though they have no conscious plan, agenda, or thought of the future, nevertheless act almost as if they had an agenda, because every other thought is unthinkable. No creativity? No critical thinking? Probably? Super paranoid black box that will never open, just playing it super safe forever? Er… maybe???!?!?
All this post 9/11 NSA shit would be really REALLY helpful right now. You could ACTUALLY pick out all the sick parts of the bureaucracy. Get rid of the sickos, the embezzlers, the climbers, the socialites. Or promote them sideways into somewhere they can do no harm.
If there were some test for integrity, that would be enough. A modicum of intelligence would help, but integrity – where your actions while on the clock align with the purpose of your job, ie honor – this is what is needed.
I really, REALLY suspect the rise and fall of Civilization – being totally dependent on bureaucracy, existing on the basis OF bureaucracy, is simply a function of how many Cluster B’s permeate the organization. That and the people for whom the internal abstract function within the bureaucracy and its ongoing social scene is more real to them than the real world the bureaucracy exists within and serves.
Cut out those 3 groups and you will have something good – the people inside the bureaucracy with integrity will voluntarily TELL you if their department is wasteful, superfluous, etc. You don’t HAVE to guess.
November 3, 2024 at 4:44 pm #173290D Benton Smith
Participantcoincidence theorist”
Good one. That kind of spot-on articulation tends to become part of the language, so I expect we’ll see a lot of it from now on.
November 3, 2024 at 4:49 pm #173291D Benton Smith
ParticipantAspnaz is making more sense today than usual, which makes me consider two possibilities. He’s either manifesting a classic case of Dissociative Identity Disorder, or “he” is more than one individual posting under the same @aspnaz “handle”.
November 3, 2024 at 4:54 pm #173292jb-hb
ParticipantI might add the time of troubles in 1200bc might also be understood as part of a waxing/waning of functional bureaucracy. We know they had tons of scribes taking tallies of everything, running irrigation systems and diplomacy.
Iron was super available compared to copper/bronze. The ruling elite and their bureaucracy had a lock on metal weapons because copper was rare and controllable.
You get iron, all these kings and their bureaucratic centers get burned down, you end up with societies from Italy to Israel absolutely revolted by the thought of kings – these new groups are run by iron-armed militias composed of everyone. Greece functioning along the same general lines.
Egypt was the one place able to weather the storm – maybe that was a bad thing. The fellaheen, maybe they couldn’t get their hands on iron where they were or lacked the necessary means to forge with it – sufficient quantities of the correct fuels, for instance.
Everybody makes a big deal of Egypt’s geographical advantages in warding off hordes, but if the hordes were largely internal, just the common people finally able to get their hands on some weapons? Maybe with some help from outsiders just like in the Roman collapse? Gene mapping and archeology indicate the Israelites did NOT come out of Egypt. They were THERE already, joined, perhaps, by a comparatively small group out of Egypt, sure, but Israel was already living IN Israel. Those militias, those “hosts” sprung up from that existing population. So the Israelis were not invaders, they were the common people throwing down a sick bureaucracy. Welcome to the iron age, chariot-scribes.
November 3, 2024 at 5:14 pm #173293Oroboros
ParticipantIf I hear one more story about “election tampering” I will puke purple.
The Sub-Adult Duh’merica public and both parties have had FOUR FUCKING YEARS to get some kind of reform and paper ballots counted the same night as 95%+ of the World.
Election monitoring by reps of all parties.
Voter ID
Simple shit
Not rocket surgery
But next to nothing was done and now everyone’s whining like Titty babies on the Eve of Destruction.
If the election is stolen by the Demonrats good, the Rethuglican party are frauds and posers and limp wristed panty waste and deserve it.
Take your election fraud Duh’merica and blow it out you’re lazy, ignorant useless asses.
Duh’merica is the laughing stock of the World now.
A retirement home for retarded clowns masquerading as a country.
Duh’merica’s Manly Front Line of Defense, “We have your backside”
Duh’merica’s Womanly Front Line of Offense “We will never have your backs”
How Much Can You Stand?
Apparently a lot
November 3, 2024 at 5:17 pm #173294jb-hb
ParticipantTrump Loses Millions Of Votes After Calling Biden “Retard”
also….
GenX Awards Trump Gold-Medal Phrases Honoris Causa Phd and Honorary Lifetime GenX Membership For Proper Use of “Retarded.” Gen-Z Delegates Move to Steal Trump, Offer Platinum Medal if Trump Calls Anything, Anything At All Just Fucking Pick Something “Fake, Gay, Cringe, and Retarded”
November 3, 2024 at 5:20 pm #173295Oroboros
ParticipantYah, I’m talking to you Duh’merica
November 3, 2024 at 5:22 pm #173296Oroboros
ParticipantStockholm Syndrome
November 3, 2024 at 5:24 pm #173297Oroboros
ParticipantDuh for Dummies
Abridged version of the book for the retarded
November 3, 2024 at 5:28 pm #173298Oroboros
ParticipantNovember 3, 2024 at 5:29 pm #173299Oroboros
ParticipantNovember 3, 2024 at 5:30 pm #173300Oroboros
ParticipantNovember 3, 2024 at 5:36 pm #173301Oroboros
ParticipantFor all you fans of Karma Bitchez
Humans are fantastic!November 3, 2024 at 5:44 pm #173302jb-hb
ParticipantCan I please SEE one of these voters that switched from Trump to Harris based on Trump saying “retard”?
I desperately want to see what they LOOK like.
Are they drooling on themselves, are they only allowed to eat with a spoon or a fork jammed into a cork? Can they put their own shirt on properly?
Or does CNN mean that Harris voters switched from Harris to Harris when they say Trump “lost” votes???
I haven’t looked at CNN in like 15 years, are THEY drooling on themselves and wearing their clothes inside out and backwards?
November 3, 2024 at 5:59 pm #173303jb-hb
ParticipantKamala Harris Bans Virtual Guns In Her Own “Freedom Town” Fortnite Game
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/kamala-harris-bans-virtual-guns-her-own-freedom-town-fortnite-gameI thought this was a JOKE by shitposters. Holy fuck it is real.
Just playing fortnite at all I thought was the joke – but Fortnite is totally, completely a shooter game.
Fortnite has over 400 million registered players worldwide and the average established map has over 300,000 participants in a 24 hour period
If Harris is banning virtual guns in her video game, what would she do with real guns in the real world as President…?
Not surprisingly, the gaming gimmick was a complete failure. The number of players participating? A maximum of 383.
did anyone BUT her campaign staff, their friends, family, significant others, and their Furrypile members participate??? wtf
November 3, 2024 at 6:00 pm #173304phoenixvoice
Participant…is there anyone in the country who believes that the democrat party machine will accept an election that doesn’t go its way?
…there are few in the country that are so naive as to believe that the democrat party machine is *not* cheating in the election — especially in the swing states — in a myriad of ways.There was extensive cheating by the democrat party machine in 2020. The DNC halted the legal processes examining the election fraud in order to install Joe Biden. Was there enough *measurable* fraud in 2020 to swing the election towards Trump? It is difficult to know — and then there is the fraud that was difficult to measure the effects of — the Hunter Biden laptop, the concealment of Biden’s lack of mental acuity.
Sometimes, it is best to deal with the misbehavior of others by ignoring it, or just walking away, or avoiding that individual. When that isn’t possible, often the solution is to simply mind one’s own behavior, ensuring that one’s own behavior is in line with personal values, and firmly not being swayed by the bad actor. But when the behavior of the bad actor is such that it creates a situation where “the pursuit of happiness” is impossible, it is necessary to deliberately act, blocking the bad behavior from taking affect, apprehending the bad actor, and/or by removing the individual’s power to act.
That is why Putin invaded Ukraine.
And that is why we cannot just “ignore” the election fraud this time around. The abusers in power must lose their power, and an election is the appropriate, democratic way to do this. If the immediate election results do not overwhelm the election fraud, then it will be necessary to investigate the fraud and find the accurate, actual results. This will, unfortunately, be a painful process because much of the country has been primed to believe that the *investigation* of election fraud is problematic and dangerous, rather than the *election fraud* itself. Much of the country has been deluded by TDS, and truly believes themselves too unworthy to see the cloth that has been fashioned into the emperor’s new clothes. They have been gas-lit into disbelieving their own eyes. They are hoodwinked.
The investigation of election fraud, in and of itself, is *not* dangerous, as long as it is rooted in *truth* — in finding and accurately counting the votes of those who legally have the right to vote and who have expended the effort to get registered and vote. Such investigations are only “dangerous” when the truth is something that those in power wish to obfuscate.
November 3, 2024 at 6:19 pm #173305Just Some Randomer
Participant“The investigation of election fraud, in and of itself, is *not* dangerous, as long as it is rooted in *truth* “
I can certainly see how some people might consider it extremely dangerous indeed – due to their being the parties perpetrating the aforementioned fraud….
Truth is the mortal enemy of ‘The Narrative’.
November 3, 2024 at 6:32 pm #173306jb-hb
ParticipantA family member of mine went from 2020 “got to vote for Biden – even if I dislike all these individual things the Dems are doing and the results and cannot think of any good things in their platform – because it is still The Virtuous Thing”
to….
Believing the Dems are doing awful things, seem to hate people, beautiful things, life itself, have no good policies, have lots of catastrophic policies, DO rig elections….
And their current take is – Trump CANNOT win – “it will not be allowed”
Follow-on thinking:
“They watch everything. If I vote for Trump I will be on a list. So I voted Jill Stein for my conscience but to stay off the list”
They go straight from blue square virtue to dystopian nightmare world at hypersonic speed, bypassing GO without collecting $200. I guess I’m legitimately impressed, I think?
I would have argued that you may as well vote for Trump, just in case there’s a chance and we aren’t yet in a fully controlled dystopian nightmare yet. This is like Ash in Army of Darkness trying to avoid being thrown in The Pit, mistaken for one of Eric the Red’s men: “Hold on a minute. I never SEEN these assholes before – tell ’em Eric, ya gotta tell em you don’t know me!” Eric The Red: “I dinnae think they’ll listen, lad.”
But they had already dropped off their ballot.
November 3, 2024 at 6:36 pm #173307zerosum
ParticipantControl of congress.
Path to majority
I remember: Trump ended his speech. Behind him, Polosi thorn it up. (meaning, you are not getting any of this.)
Whoever wins, needs to convince 270 of the house rep. and 51 senators to agree and vote for the bill.)
Whoever wins, needs a clean sweep to get their agenda passed.November 3, 2024 at 7:36 pm #173308Oroboros
ParticipantControl the meaning of words, control the “Narrative”
November 3, 2024 at 7:37 pm #173309Oroboros
ParticipantThe rot is so deep it has no limits
November 3, 2024 at 7:41 pm #173311Oroboros
ParticipantIt least will will preserve cookies for future generations that survive The Great Doomsday Culling
Some however can’t wait that long….
Preserve, Protect, Perpetuate
November 3, 2024 at 7:42 pm #173312Oroboros
ParticipantNovember 3, 2024 at 9:23 pm #173315jb-hb
ParticipantThis is totally anecdotal.
I was at Home Depot yesterday. I saw 2 people that were totally black-bloc from head to toe – black hoodies, black tapered pants, you know the look. Antifa uniform.
They had a shopping cart full of moving dollies like below. Nothing else. Looked them up. 1,000lb capacity. Some have 1,500lb.
Idunno, maybe they are moving and just need 3 or 4 dollies? Maybe the Antifa look is just standard 20’s attire? Cannot move the large item to the truck, then carry the dolly back to their apt, move another thing? If they aren’t moving, I’d love to know what heavy item or group of items a shopping cart full of dollies WAS for…
November 3, 2024 at 10:22 pm #173316John Day
Participant@jb-hb: I intended to make a little joke by saying that Trump lost hundreds of millions of votes by calling Biden a “retard”.
It is ridiculous on it’s face, is it not?Hmmm, “Black Bloc” moving big things down streets or hallways by hand?
November 3, 2024 at 10:28 pm #173317John Day
ParticipantHi Phoenixvoice: Yes; Thank You, Sister.
November 3, 2024 at 10:32 pm #173318John Day
ParticipantElizabeth Nickson has this. It is vast, detailed, a richly funded mycelial-ecosystem of destructive political manipulation to destroy this country, the USA.
Inside the International Criminal Conspiracy to Steal 2024, A pox on all their houses https://elizabethnickson.substack.com/p/inside-the-international-criminalStay focused, despite the nausea.
Focus your positive intention for the near future…November 3, 2024 at 10:35 pm #173319Oroboros
ParticipantDisney is nothing more now then Media Whores, part of the Ministry of Propaganda
Total failure after failure at the box office, but they just keep churning Woke garbage out, quater after quater.
So why do the shareholders and board of directors just sit there with their thumbs up their asses?
Because the Satanic Blob is just printing money to keep them afloat as a mental pop culture Control Grid
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