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    Salvador Dali The three pines 1919   • McConnell: Senate Impeachment Trial ‘As Soon As Thanksgiving’ (ZH) • Trump Florida Golf Course To Host G7
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 18 2019]

    #50670
    V. Arnold
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    A discussion you won’t be able to escape. It might be good to get the terminology straight. I think Tucker Carlson called Medicare for All pure socialism, but that would mean Canada, the UK, most of Europe and Asian countries like Thailand all pure socialist countries. Hard to maintain.

    Unless you’re not spending outrageous amounts on weapons; Thailand is not!
    So far so good…

    #50671
    Dr. D
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    “McConnell: Senate Impeachment Trial ‘As Soon as Thanksgiving’ (ZH)”

    So as I said, they want and are forcing the DNC to impeachment. The DNC is also now looking for the audio of the Zelinsky call, suggesting, as I said, the White House/Intel planted a fake call transcript on the WH server that the CIA could illegally tap and screw themselves. Beyond hope, they think it’s somehow possible they were right, weren’t punk’d, and that other bad, impeachable call really happened.

    “Not only could Mr. Biden be forced to be in D.C.”

    So the Democrats would be the ones throwing their own election against Biden. Wild. But they already have, or meant to. They tried hard to swap Biden for Harris, but Harris is so violent and unbearable she faded. Then less happily from Biden to Warren. However, Wall St and all business has said they will stop all contributions for Warren or Sanders: business boycott blackout. That’s not winning. #ComeBack

    However, for the national conscience (should one still exist) they need this whole thing hashed out in a public Senate trial in the legal record, on national TV. Even that wouldn’t be enough, but you have to try.

    “Trump Florida Golf Course To Host G7 Summit (BBC)”

    Ugh. However, then he gets to control the unlimited wire-tapping and his what, 16th assassination attempt? Almost certainly another one soon if I’m reading the signals right.

    “Turkey to Suspend Syria Offensive, Mike Pence Announces (BBC)”

    Cheeto literally said, “We’ve been trying to get this done, but they (who?) needed some ‘tough love’, and now the peace is settled.” Ding! Couldn’t get the Kurds to sign on to Assad and lose their Kurdish state for another generation. But Turkey will happily annihilate them. “He wanted a ceasefire. He wanted to stop the violence,” It’s not a mystery here, it’s incredibly obvious; they’re just lying about it and reporting the opposite with every breath.

    “we were told were an “ally” being sent to their slaughter”

    But Turkey is NOT an ally? Or our ally Iraq when we told them to attack the Kurds? But when they do it was good, but when Turkey does it’s bad? Or does our reality rest on the opposite of whatever orange man tweets minute to minute? Here’s one way to settle that: go home.

    “the US military would go into Syria for just 30 days to save the Yazidi”

    The who? How long? We were going to ToraBora for the Taliban until OBL was killed, what? 20 years ago? Gosh, it’s almost like they LIKE war and don’t want us to leave or something. It is possible…they’re…lying?

    “the YPG “will be disbanded and integrated into the Syrian army.”

    Ding! Exactly as said. P.S. those forces are legally an international terrorist organization. Longstanding. That we armed. Against international law. Against our own NATO ally. And we’re mad that Turkey is going against legal international Islamic terrorism. Spare me. They don’t disappear but putting them in the non-terrorist side and under the Syrian Army might, I dunno, keep them all from getting killed or killing an equal number of innocent Turks? No! Stop! We don’t want peace! Peace is #Logos!

    “Boris Johnson has signed a deal he said he didn’t need, creating a border he didn’t want, under the authority of a Court he didn’t accept, to be submitted to a Parliament he doesn’t control.”

    It’s interesting, but there’s a lot still going in. Since this is essentially May’s deal, won’t they reject it again? Then BoJo will have done every, single, thing, and No Deal will be that much more necessary. Europe could also sabotage approval. Etc. I’m sure it’s well gamed out with all the branch options.

    “US Imposes Tariffs on EU Goods, Targeting Airbus, Wine and Whisky (AFP)”

    What this really does is stop Globalism and reinforce Nationalism and independence. Doesn’t matter if the $$ are net neutral, offset, nations will still be thinking to stay in their regions where it’s safe and predictable. Even if it cost money, it would probably make more than it cost in jobs and autonomy back home.

    Why don’t we play environmental, since that’s all anyone cares about? Not shipping goods worldwide 5, 6 times before the end user is green carbon savings. Grow, make, and sell local. But apparently that’s the worst thing int eh world. If goods don’t move 5, 6 times, bankers and globalists don’t make their cut 5, 6 times and be able to extort nations and play them off each other. And then where would we be? With no war and lower costs? Unthinkable.

    “Medicare for All pure socialism, but that would mean Canada, the UK, most of Europe and Asian countries like Thailand all pure socialist countries.”

    The terminology certainly needs a lot of work. No one is careful in their definitions, even or especially the parties themselves. Military certainly can pay for a lot, which is Bernie’s longstanding and workable plan despite criticism that he doesn’t know or post economics, and that with him it would be all new taxes. It wouldn’t. However, medical in the U.S. is easily 5-8x what it should be, and the plan with socializing – you know, the thing that’s bankrupting NIH, Finland, Sweden, etc – is a way for the PROFIT interests to avoid a reduction in PROFITS. Cut the price to 20% of now, as Oklahoma Surgery and Lasik proves is possible, and you can pay for it WITHOUT Medicare, and cut the Pentagon too. No one can even SAY this, so I guess we know who all Trump’s, Bernie’s, Warren’s, Biden’s, CNN’s masters really are.

    “Going Dutch? Low Interest Rates Rattle ‘World’s Best’ Pension System (R.)”

    At the end, they always, always, ALWAYS screw the pensioners. Look at Greece. 100% guarantee, it’s one of those very few things that doesn’t even seem to have historical exceptions. And why they don’t burn it down, I don’t know, but the old are not as emotional as the young.

    #50672
    zerosum
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    On top of continuing to using cheap imports by exploiting other countries’ labor and natural resources ….

    Trump has found other ways of balancing his financial budget and paying for the lavish lifestyle of the USA citizens.
    Trump has also started to turn the military into a mercenary cash cow.
    Trump will be getting Billions of dollars from tariffs and from the renting of the military.

    TRUMP KEEPS TELLING EVERYONE THAT HIS APPROACH IS RIGHT, AND NOBODY BELIEVES HIM.
    …. economic warfare ….

    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/us-imposes-tariffs-eu-goods-targeting-airbus-wine-043338013.html

    #50673
    zerosum
    Participant

    The USA military in Syria is so powerful and feared that only 26 soldiers ( it was rumored to be 50) were capable of holding back the Turkish army from moving into northern Syria.

    Duuuuuu!

    #50674
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    US : HEALTH & SOCIALISM

    It can be sometimes quite amusing reading articles written by Americans on ‘socialism’. You can almost feel their blood vessels bursting as they write!

    What they ignore is that the miiltary is a socialist organisation – it is paid for by the people for the defence of the people [in theory]

    In addition the CIA, NSA, FBI, etc are products of Socialism – paid for by the people for the security of the people [in theory]

    Similarly the police force is socialist – paid for by the people for the safety of the people [in theory]

    [It would be interesting to privatise the military – make it a charity whose budget is totally dependent on voluntary contributions from US citizens!]

    There are some things which are of national importance, for example basic education, which should be freely available to all.

    Finally health. The US system of healthcare is indefensible! At twice the cost in terms of GDP than other developed countries it is not even inclusive. The random bills are a key cause of bankruptcy, even when the patient has insurance. Drugs in the US can be ten times what they cost in Canada!

    As the baby boomers move to retirement it will be critical that the diminishing population of working age be fit enough to work. I would suggest that locking up a couple of million people of working age in prison will also become a threat to the US economy!

    It should be possible for the US to improve health provision while halving the costs for the country.

    I favour an NHS style system as found in the UK and [I believe] Canada.

    #50676
    zerosum
    Participant

    cognitive dissonance

    Every story about Syria need a salt shaker. Mine is empty.
    Where …. Who …. is telling the truth
    What is black ,,, what is white ….
    The peasant, in the dark, are watching the elites having a glorious party in the mansion.
    Here is a story being passed down to the rif-raf peasants.

    The US has backed 21 of the 28 ‘crazy’ militias leading Turkey’s brutal invasion of northern Syria

    Below is SETA’s list of Turkish “national army” militias, outlining the type of US support each one received over the years:
    https://setav.org/en/assets/uploads/2019/10/A54En.pdf

    #50677
    seychelles
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    Zero interest rates klill pensions. Period.

    Also other long-term “investments” such as long-term care insurance and life insurance.

    #50678

    We might be getting serious now.

    Trump Campaign To Sue CNN For “Substantial Payment” After Project Veritas Undercover Exposé

    The Trump administration plans to sue CNN over bias and “wrongful practices” following revalations contained in a recent Project Veritas undercover exposé.

    In a four-page letter to CNN, its CEO Jeff Zucker and Executive VP David Vigilante, Trump attorney Charles J. Harder provided several examples of bias against Trump, who seeks “a substantial payment of damages.”

    Listing several examples from the just-released Project Veritas videotapes of CNN insiders describing Zucker’s demand for “impeachment above all else,” Harder wrote that they “are merely the tip of the iceberg of the evidence my clients have accumulated over recent years.”

    He added, “Never in the history of this country has a President been the subject of such a sustained barrage of unfair, unfounded, unethical and unlawful attacks by so-called ‘mainstream’ news, as the current situation.”

    #50679
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    As for how exactly “the Russians” are grooming Gabbard, Clinton pointed to “a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far,” seemingly oblivious to the fact that the ‘Russian bots sowing discord’ theory is a thoroughly debunked smear.

    Not content to stop at Gabbard, Clinton also accused the Green Party’s Jill Stein of being in the Kremlin’s employ. “Yeah, she’s a Russian asset,” Clinton added. “I mean, totally.” The fact that a small number of voters Clinton believed herself entitled to opted for Stein in 2016 was proof enough for her. RT

    Clinton’s calumny is second to none; truly the queen of war mongers and corruption…
    How in the world will 2020 be a free AND democratic process?

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