Debt Rattle September 16 2018

[Raúl Ilargi Meijer]

Pablo Picasso Tête de femme 1926   • Typhoon Mangkhut Heads Towards China As Dozens Killed In Philippines (G.) • Florence Dumps ‘Epic’ Amounts Of
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle September 16 2018]

[Polder Dweller]

I wonder if would-be remainers like Sadiq Khan take into consideration what would happen if at the last minute they could secure a second referendum (and win it). My guess is that the 27 would meet to decide what to do and would then agree to allow the UK to stay in the union with the a few provisos:

1. UK to accept all new EU legislation since applying to leave
2. UK to give up its rebate
3. UK to agree not to hold any more referendums on EU membership
4. UK to provide fixed timeline for joining the euro

I can imagine that these would not go down well with even some of the staunchest remainers, let alone any recent converts from the leave camp. Beyond that, I think there would be a great deal of residual bitterness which could potentially lead to significant social unrest and even civil war.

At least at the moment most people over there seem to have resigned themselves to leaving.

[V. Arnold]

Artist Pablo Picasso
Year 1941 (plaster)
1950s (bronze)
Type Bronze
Dimensions 80 cm (31.5 in)
Owner Various
Tete de femme (Dora Maar) is a plaster-modelled, bronze-cast sculpture by Pablo Picasso. Dora Maar, Picasso’s lover at the time, was the subject of the work which was originally conceived in 1941. Four copies of the bust were cast in the 1950s, several years after the relationship ended. Wiki

In case anybody was curious…

[Dr. D]

Showing no one cares about science: “Europe’s animal farming sector has exceeded safe bounds for greenhouse gas emissions.”

The other two, which may save theories or a55e5, will kill people (of course!) but may at least make sense. Animals are not going to release greenhouse gasses. Why? Because as herbivores, the carbon they are releasing was only just captured by plants only 12 months ago! So it’s a tiny net carbon pause. If you believe in this stuff, one car in one year would release more deep stored carbon than all the ruminants in Europe. …Oh and P.S., if you kill all 300 Million people like Thanos and replace them with forest, the deer and other wildlife there will also eat the grass and release the same carbon.

…You do know Thanos was supposed to be a Marvel villain, right? If they got a fraction of their way, these green horse scientists would kill more people than WWII’s 60 Million. That’s a fraction of Communism, their other true love, but of course it’s to SAVE those people that we need to remove their food supply and kill them. So the theory by the schmartz guys is if we shoot ourselves in the head we can divert that bus crash? That doesn’t sound very smart to me. I can take a big chunk of this problem out in 5 years…anyone who knows anything about farming could. But that isn’t what they want. They’re trying exactly nothing, or rather the dead opposite of what works, in farming, in net energy, and if you like, in CO2. 40 years of identical accidents, as every year we move further from a workable goal and pattern? And next year we double down in the wrong direction again? Well of course because I’m a coincidence theorist, and when the wheel comes up red 500 times it’s just an accident. It’s these cotton-headed ninny muggins that run cover for them: paid science, and The Guardian. “Rig the wheel? Naw, it always does that! Ask our on-call statistician! He’ll tell you it can definitely happen!” (it’s just really, really, REALLY unlikely)

“Science! We just make stuff up!” (for money)

While we’re on it, we probably reached the cycle extreme and ice pack in the poles and Greenland is increasing, ice thickness is beginning to follow. There’s snow in Alberta and Newfoundland in the the dead of summer. As also on schedule, cold-causing volcanoes are going off all over the world. They ran out of time to get their poor-killing tax plan through, and now the story falls apart. But never fear: that won’t stop them from saying it anyway, as the good fellows at The Guardian attest.

[V. Arnold]

Yes Dr D; indeed we’ll see. I am not inclined towards the herd mentality.
Things are afoot, we do not understand…
Always…

[Ken Barrows]

Infinite debt is okay if you have infinite net energy. Most people believe in both so we must be okay.

Dr D, I find you amusing on this one but indeed we’ll see. I think most people also believe infinite CO2 in the atmosphere is also possible and infinite acidification of the oceans is no sweat.

[zerosum]

Humans think too much of themselves.

What is the biggest life form?

Actually, the largest life form known on earth is the fungus Armillaria ostoyae, also known as root rot. It recently became the world’s largest living organism due to an outbreak in Prairie City, Oregon. It is called the “Humongous Fungus” by some. The largest life form is not a grove of trees, or the blue whale, it’s fungus.

Which organism has had the biggest impact on the planet?
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150211-whats-the-most-dominant-life-form
If you look up and down the sizes of living things, microbes dominate their scale, humans dominate their scale, ants tend to dominate things in between

However, mosquitoes drive us crazy.
https://www.thoughtco.com/fascinating-facts-about-mosquitoes-1968300

10 Fascinating Facts About Mosquitoes

1. Mosquitoes are the deadliest animals on Earth

[scraplet]

Re: meat / dairy production

Context is everything in the debate about the environmental impact of meat and dairy.

Traditionally, meat production happens in marginal land and uplands, where other agriculture is not feasible. Animals can be herded nomadically, or left to roam across the hills in search of food. Here in the UK, upland wild red deer are so common as to be pests! No inputs, other than the suns energy. No waste, only fertilizer, spread naturally.

Pigs were once raised (and butchered) by almost everyone in their back yards, and essentially fed on waste. Their manure fertilized your vegetable patch.

And until about 100 years ago, dairy farms were just that – a small farm with a dairy ( or a small local co-operative of farms running a diary) making an product with a very short shelf-life that could only be consumed by very local customers. Traditional pasture management was the only option.

As Dr D. pointed out above, this is carbon neutral and quite environmentally sensitive. And, in fact, you can’t naturally/sustainably have any other type of agriculture without the organic inputs, which are essentially shit and dead animals!

So, it is not meat and dairy that is unsustainable; it is expecting that your grass-fed Aberdeen Angus rib-eye served in a Gordon Ramsey restaurant in Las Vegas was roaming the Scottish Highlands 30 days previously; or expecting New Zealand to pump-out milk products for most of Asia’s population. Equally, expecting a switch to a majority vegetation diet, based on low-nutrient cereals, and requiring ever-more petrochemical fertilizer is not an option, either.

Side point: as the developed world suffers from increased metabolic syndrome, diabetes and obesity, I don’t think more cereal foods are necessarily a good thing, no matter how calorifically-efficient the bean-counters at Greenpeace think they are!

[anticlimactic]

CLIMATE CHANGE

Apart from stimulating plant growth CO2 is unlikely to have anything but a miniscule influence on global temperature.

There is a relationship between the solar sunspot cycle and ‘oscillations’ in the ocean. An oscillation is where the warm surface water sinks beneath the surface, in the case of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation for 10 years at a time. Other oscillations which come to mind are the Atlantic Oscillation and the North Atlantic Oscillation.

The combination of these two factors mean that there is general warming for 30 years followed by general cooling for 30 years. So there was warming from 1910 to 1940, cooling from 1940 to 1970, then warming up to 1998. This is superimposed on the general warming from the Little Ice Age.

When global warming stopped in 1998 the climate activists panicked and promoted the idea of ‘man made climate change’. As the climate has been changing for over 4 billion years it was a safe bet. Take any incidence of bad weather and say it was ‘man-made’! In the dark ages such weather was blamed on God, but now it is blamed on Man. It is why some think of today as being the ‘New Dark ages’.

Climate activists also want charts limited to ‘when records began’, 150 years at most. Temperature reconstruction has shown that the Bronze Age Warm period was warmer than the Roman Warm Period which was warmer than the Mediaevel Warm Period which was warmer than today. An obvious heresy which has to be suppressed!

The Climate is extremely complicated. For example there has been some concern this year that the Sun has been very quiet – no sunspots for many days. This can lead to global cooling in due course. The Sun heats the Earth by about 300C and lack of sunspots means less heat reaching Earth. It also means a weaker solar wind which in turn means more cosmic rays can reach Earth. It has been shown that cosmic rays at sea-level can act as condensing nucleii and aid the formation of water droplets. This leads to increasing cloud cover which also produces a cooling effect.

The main support for climate activists is ignorance. It is why climate skeptics tend to have a scientific background. It can be difficult to take claims by climate activists and separate the truth from the propaganda.

[TonyPrep]

anticlimactic, there has not been cooling since 1998. 2002 beat 1998, as did 2005, 2007, 2009, 2010, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017 and, likely, 2018 (though 2 or 3 of those were statistical ties). In fact the four warmest years on record (for the surface of our planet) are the last 4 years (though not in order). By the end of this year, it’s likely that the 5 warmest years on record will all have occurred in the past 5 years. That doesn’t happen when the earth’s surface is cooling.

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