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    Herbert Draper Lament for Icarus 1898     Is it still allowed to talk about COVID without mentioning Trump? I am not sure. And now I did it
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    #64074
    Mr. House
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    “I don’t know about you, but all these people with these useless masks on where they’re not needed, like outside, don’t make me feel safe at all. They make me think I’m surrounded by fools.”

    Amen

    People when learning about the holocaust would always say “how did the Germans go along with this?”

    To this i say, look at facebook comments wishing death on those who are “different” then you? Lack of respect and empathy. Modern politics is being turned into this. Respect LBGQT and minorities or we will kill you!

    #64075
    Kimo
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    “I’ve worn a medical mask in surgical procedures over 10,000 times, and I can tell you that they do induce physiological changes. I’ll start to develop a tremor after about 30 minutes of mask wear in that high air exchange, higher oxygen level, cool environment.”


    Maybe we need exhale deflectors, pointing down, particularly useful when speaking loudly or singing?

    #64076
    Michael Reid
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    The linked video describes why and how the west came to adopt the incorrect COVID-19 health policy and what can be done about it

    #64077
    madamski cafone
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    I can no longer take seriously anyone presenting their information in a 49-minute video using scripted text we could read in 10-15 minutes. Especially when he’s wearing a suit. Standing against a dramatic bookshelf. Has a picture of his rogue attorney hero prominently displayed.

    That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. No ad hominem fallacies here. But I can’t take him seriously. His work is all audiovideo. Inherently hypnotic medium. No text available even when I google. Not to mention his share of the $$ that a class action suit would bring without doing anything to end the evil he believes is involved. By the time such a lawsuit would be won, covid and government responses to it will be history.

    But at least he doesn’t wear a patch over one eye.

    #64078
    restless94111
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    Since infections are not deaths, and since Hydroxychloroquine plue zinc cures the infections and since the death rates of the flu epidemics of 69 and 58 and other flu epidemics in the past were 2 to 3 times more deadly (with a lot less world population) it does not matter what Trump or anyone else did. You could do a lot of good by refusing to buy into this nonsense. Please start doing it, like, right now?

    #64079
    ₿oogaloo
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    The issue that people should be asking is why viral load numbers are so much lower now compared to the cases back in February and March. If they stay low, we can expect the fatality rate to stay low, and we can expect the rate of serious cases that require hospitalization to stay low. If these stay low, then the pandemic has become much ado about nothing, and I agree it is better to let people make decisions from themselves (though I would not say that back in the spring when viral load numbers were through the roof and we saw all the bodybags).

    Another question nobody is asking: If we assume for a moment that SARS-Cov2 was engineered in a lab, what are the odds that we might see a SARS-Cov3 intentionally released this winter?

    #64080
    Huskynut
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    @madamski
    But I can’t take him seriously. His work is all audiovideo. Inherently hypnotic medium. No text available even when I google. Not to mention his share of the $$ that a class action suit would bring without doing anything to end the evil he believes is involved. By the time such a lawsuit would be won, covid and government responses to it will be history.
    I share both your cynicism and your preference for text over video, but I think your judgement is a bit harsh.
    So, he’s an ambulance chaser – so what? Our politicians and academia are myopic and bowdlerised. They’re going to drive a stake through the heart of any political or scientific call for accountability. So why not let the ambulance chasers have a crack? Much as I find that level of adversarial melodrama in pursuit of profit distasteful, why not?
    VW et al arguably took a greater hit to their reputation from the flow-ons of class action suits than from regulators developing backbones purely of their own accords.

    #64081
    Huskynut
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    @ilargi
    And now what you see is the politicians don’t know what to do anymore. They turn to “their scientists” again, but many have before given advice that is different from what they say now, that hasn’t worked, and that often contradicts what their colleagues in other countries say.

    And I keep reiterating – “we’re following the science” is a concise statement of the problem itself. Despite their white coats and authoritative demeanours, most scientists study an ever-narrowing portion of the world and become “specialists”. They may have a little knowledge to contribute, but narrow “scientific” thinking is precisely what got us into this mess. You need generalist, lateral and wholistic thinking to tackle a dilemma which spans multiple domains (health, social, international politics etc).
    This was clear from the start, and apart from a wider acknowledgement months later that, nope, what we’re doing hasn’t worked and isn’t working, we seem to be little closer to the kind of thinking that could find a way forward. Somehow the ever-changing “science” views are still dominating the conversation.

    Again, the West is mesmerised by technocracy. You see it in the share prices of Amazon, Google et al. Technocracy is very, very good at solving specifically technical issues whilst generating all sorts of perverse and undesirable outcomes in other domains. And preferencing itself in service of profit, whilst cloaking it’s intentions in wonderful humanistic terms. Witness social media.

    Science and technocracy will be the death of our society. It’s not a great society on many fronts, but no society is a recipe for a shite-load worse outcomes..

    #64082
    V. Arnold
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    It’s interesting how Trump seems to make a mockery of just about everything…

    …and then there is this…

    Science and technocracy will be the death of our society. It’s not a great society on many fronts, but no society is a recipe for a shite-load worse outcomes..

    …indeed…

    #64100
    Dr. D
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    The holistic view is much recommended whatever the science. The medicine could be rock-solid (it isn’t) and completely settled (it wasn’t), but still we have legal, economic, and social consequences just for the top few to consider. These haven’t been great. Better than I hoped in economy: delivery of food and goods didn’t stop for example, but on target for legal, where months later they are still enforcing laws that were never passed, using police who aren’t masked, sending to jails that aren’t protected, for infractions that would be illegal (like posting online or kayaking outside).

    Do we want a world where someone yells “Science!” into a playground and suddenly all the rules change and don’t apply, like all human rights, habeus corpus, division of powers, due process, and freedom of speech, press, and assembly? Whatever the disease, those problems ain’t nothing. And they’re lingering with us, it seems years after the disease, once they’ve been normalized.

    Anyone remember T’rrsts!?! Under my bed? The ‘temporary’ Patriot Act? That’s been re-upped by every party for 20 years? The one that has Assange in jail? Even if there had been terrorists, their response simply insured the cure was worse than the disease. And so now. Holistic approach means there are benefits, but also costs.

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