Independent From What?
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René Magritte The secret player 1927 There’s something wonderfully -though at the same time sadly- ironic in simultaneously contemplating Ameri
[See the full post at: Independent From What?]I, most assuredly, do not celebrate July 4th anything.
CJ’s article is all about control. And that is achieved throught forced, public education/indoctrination.
The whole system is based on the Hindu model, which teaches docility; how the hell does one think the cast system in India survived for, how long? 1,000, 2,000 or more years? Hell, it still exists today!
I could rail on for pages; but it’s getting late, so I won’t.
If one wants to know how we arrived here, look no further than the forced, public educational system; it is the root of our problems. Yes, it is…By the way, Magritte’s painting, The Secret Player, is very spooky for 1927. Surrealist at least…
Where Americans managed to break free of their yoke in 1776, the Greeks did not.
I’m not so sure that is true. I’m not even convinced we had a revolution.
Maybe a coup.
And if that’s true, then we’ve been living a myth for 242 years.
A whole system built on a myth.
Kinda asks, what’s real? Nothing?
Everything is real except for your beliefs; dump them and discover the world…V.Arnold says “The whole system is based on the Hindu model, which teaches docility”.
Hello Mr. V.Arnold, I dont know your culture and country of origin. Without knowing fully about the “hindu Caste system” You have “NO BUSINESS” writing such comments. Hinduism is the “MOST NOBLEST” of all religions today.
It believes in understanding oneself, living in harmony wth nature and respect of all individuals. The “caste system” of VEDAS is not set in stone. It says a “brahmin should have certain characteristics” to be called a brahmin and so on. Also the the caste system allows for conversion (voluntarily – NO forced conversion) if a person or their family so chooses to convert from one caste to another.YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE on HINDUISM and writing about the same is unfortunate. Please educate yourself about HINDUISM FULLY before casting aspersions.
Independent from what? Independent from the truth. We’re FREE to adhere to the official misconceptions, though. The term for that is “patriotism.”
Just look at who writes the history books, who teaches the official history, and whose power is preserved through a history of censorship and lies. A population that thinks itself free by definition is a population deceived.
If you have the time, only the first 12 minutes:
Again, if you have the time, just the first 17:
“Power never leaves the posterity.”
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Ilargi, based on your definition, nobody is free. All societies have rules. Anarchy and complexity are each others enemies. Now it would be morally correct and quite observant were you to tie our obedience to the complexity and alternately our fear of simplifying that our societies desperately need, but you didn’t do that.
Diogenes Shrugged
Independent from what? Independent from the truth. We’re FREE to adhere to the official misconceptions, though. The term for that is “patriotism.”Indeed.
Freedom is another concept little understood.Who could have predicted Trump would turn out to be a carnival barker, surrounding himself with the “best and brightest” scumbags known to man (Bolton, Kudlow, et al). He is a charlatan, at best.
Interesting points. It’s all myth, or at least history is: you couldn’t fit what really happened, what every person really thought, believed, and tried into a book. But leaving it out in any coherent way is a lie by omission. It can’t be helped. What is the quote? “You can’t get wet from the word ‘water.'” – Alan Watts A book on history is not history. We can’t know that. If you follow “Hamilton” there are two significant sections where Miranda (Chernow) has to add ‘we don’t know. No one wrote it. They weren’t in “the Room Where It Happened.” Most of history is like that.
Long way round as usual to say, all revolutions are ‘coups’. Or in our case, not exactly a coup because we had no interest in toppling the King or taking India and Gibraltar. Did forces such as France help us? Obviously. Did more hidden powers agitate and interefere? You can see some of them in the sympathies of Parlaiment. How about super-secret, unknown forces? Well all of D.C. was laid out on Masonic architectural references, no joke, so you be the judge if they had underlying debts to pay.
But that would be the same as every other war or revolution ever. What we can’t know is what they INTENDED. Who intended? The Silversmith? The Tailor? The Brewer? What Jefferson intended or what Adams intended? Samuel or John? See the problem? Suppose Washington was a straight-up agent of the Masons or some secret, evil order we don’t know, AND he promised to deliver the whole Continent into the hands of Cthulhu. Could he do it? No. He could pull and influence it — which is significant — but he couldn’t do it alone. He needs some form of quorum, some majority of the power nexus points as the Deep State has today, and like today, even that is not enough.
But it’s disingenuous to say the Revolution was a scam, or that we’re totally free or totally not free — it’s childish thinking. No one is free, whether under governments or under anarchy, because there are always limits and consequences, there are only levels. And because 40 years is not long enough even reading the Cliff Notes that are books, no one can communicate the “truth” of history, only some aspect of it that can’t be tested or proven, and those are the limits of knowledge. In that the map is not the territory, and we have no way to send surveyors into the past, doesn’t mean the map is useless or imaginary. It’s just less than perfect like every other map ever made.
My unproven, unfounded feeling is that the Revolution was a set up from behind to overthrow Kings and set up an empire of man. However to get adequate buy-in they had to offer a great deal of good, and less bad than they would have liked. The Founders took them up on the offer, not in one smoky room, but over time, incompletely, each in their own struggle. Once liberated though, they generally rebelled against the intent of their backers and stopped them out of power, but not completely, just as today there is a 50-year hidden struggle of the Neocon police state and the American democratic state. Since then, at various times, one or another has managed to get their foot forward and take ground, (like Hamilton’s centralization and Quincy’s oligarch track) only to lose it again under a Jackson or a Teddy. Those have their own effect, like Lincoln preventing the recapture of America by breaking it into Euro-attackable pieces, yet Lincoln’s federal primacy itself got the whole ship captured later on. History is complex that way, no one’s on top. There is no pure good or bad, but only men, trying things.
So are we free or not free? Yes. Same as 5,000 years. Is it a lie or not a lie? Yes. Same as 5,000 years. But the thing we did here was to try something, to aspire to have things be better, and as you see today, to keep fighting for it, fighting and fighting and fighting and not giving up on our values and our intent even when we are today captured, abused and vilified by all. A lot of nations give up. France in 1870 didn’t care anymore, Venezuela today. And Greece to some extent tolerates what Americans wouldn’t, and didn’t burn the place down when Varofakis’ plausible new ideas were booted out and German occupation began killing thousands. That’s up to them, I have no opinion with Turkey looming over them on the leash and the Serbian example showing what NATO can do, but we Americans TRIED, and we still try today. Try to see the good in man, or what the other guy is up against before you tell the bloodied boxer how he falls short.
“It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.” –Theodore Roosevelt
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