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    Joel Meyerowitz/Beetles + Huxley New York City 1978     Of course, because I’m a dreamer, I start off an essay like this with the idea that
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    #62947
    Professorlocknload
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    Viruses have had a lot more time to evolve than political scientists and medical quacks, so l think, when all is said and done they’ll have the last word.

    But, who knows, maybe in a few more millennial someone will come up with a cure for the common cold, and a way to prevent hurricanes and earthquakes?

    #62948
    zerosum
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    I had a dream
    tell your government to order – and have available ASAP: A billion rapid tests, a billion doses of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a billion doses of zinc, a billion doses of Vitamin D

    That makes 4 billion units of dedicated units of $, time, resources, pollution,etc to try to return to the way thing were done before Gaia gave us C-19
    I know that the gov will not do what I say.

    A medial cure, vaccine, will only be available to the chosen selected few.
    Jubilee will only happen for some elites.
    Poverty is the light on truth.
    I foresee that there will be a lot more people seeing the truth.

    #62949
    Kimo
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    December’s Lockdown Death Laundering – How it will work, by Ethical Skeptic

    #62950
    VietnamVet
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    A billion rapid tests, a billion doses of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), a billion doses of zinc, a billion doses of Vitamin D, available ASAP, are so needed. Except, national and global oligarchs are risking a Civil War in the USA to prevent the control of the virus.

    Daily testing and self diagnosis gives power to the people. If tested and positive two or three days in a row, the infected will agree to isolate only if they have food and shelter, and if they get ill they must be treated. This requires a public health system and government by and for the people to mandate wearing and supplying N95 masks, forming bubbles at work and school, and catching the scofflaws. It means redistribution of wealth. This is why the oligarchs are willing to risk destroying a 123 trillion dollars’ worth of wealth by letting the virus run wild and not ending the associated economic depression that will impoverish 300 million Americans and which will surely cause a revolution in a nation armed with 3000 nuclear weapons.

    #62953

    “double in US, triple in world by Jan 1”
    Ferguson- is that you?
    It’s nice, though, that the flu, rhinovirus, adenovirus, plain old coronavirus, atypical pneumonia, etc. will have totally disappeared!

    #62955
    ezlxa1949
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    #62976
    Mister Roboto
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    Wearing standard face-masks is more about protecting other people than it is about protecting yourself, which is why they only work when everyone is wearing them. That won’t happen now that it’s become yet another thing in this country that’s about damn politics, so I’m glad that at the very least major stores are requiring that people wear them while on the premises. I’m considering ordering a mask I saw online that has inscribed on it: “Wearing a mask isn’t a political statement. It’s an IQ test.”

    I would also add that a country that is the way the USA is, is of course going to be very poorly positioned to do a lockdown. For one thing, our culture is full of people who won’t accept or tolerate it and will do everything they can to try and defy it. More importantly, we expect our working class people to “sink or swim” without as little government help as possible, so the economic effects of any lockdown are going to be just as devastating as any virus for so many people here. Though for an airborne virus as super-contagious as Covid, I wonder if lockdowns really are a solution. After all, after the lockdown is ended, which it really has to be at some point, the contagion could just come roaring right back so easily.

    #62980
    John Day
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    I.m a real Medical Doctor,who treats poor people, and I endorse this essay.

    That being said, the Japanese have really been masking for 100 years, and their cloth masks are lovely masks, especially for protecting other Japanese people on trains and subways, in stores, restaurants, and in Shinjuku, where it’s very crowded. Something that might be lost on a short term visitor, is that this public display of Japanese virtue is part of the national identity. It’s important to show all of your kin and countrymen that you are part of Team-Japan.
    There are 2 exceptions: being drunk, and being far from home, where nobody knows you, and you are not going to stay long. So, …Shinjuku, for sure… But, you kind of forget you have that comfortable, soft cloth mask on. This looks like what the girls on the bridge were wearing, doesn’t it?

    And, to treat all adult Americans for a week to 10 days, or the 70% or so who would catch novel coronavirus, would take more like “6 Billion Doses”, as you’ll recall my telling Tulsi Gabbared on March 1, when she came to Austin to have a town-hall meeting.
    https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/03/six-billion-doses.html
    I remain proud of the picture that Jenny snapped, included there.

    #62981
    John Day
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    Oops, March 2 was the day she did the town hall.

    #62985
    Dr. D
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    “If more Americans wore face masks as epidemiologists have advised,”

    Can I please see your research on this? You are doctors after all. If sub N95 masks are effective against viruses, this is contrary to 100 years of CDC research before March (remember, Dr. Fauci?) or the AAPS study, it would be revelatory indeed. With non-masks non-scientists are wearing badly, outside, and alone in their cars, while punching each other in person, you know ain’t nobody going to be precise and act correctly, ever. They are humans, and won’t comply, yet they are humans, and therefore smarter and stronger and will universally prosper because of it. Oh, despite you and your “helping” “orders” to everyone.

    So…not to pick on Washington U., which hasn’t done anything idiotic in public in the last few months, but since the WHO, CDC have been completely wrong, and the AMA is actively trying to kill us all to keep big pharmaceutical profits high, much higher than they already are, excuse me if I’m a bit skeptical of the latest revelation of a posse of liars who have played along with blinding non-science as well as actively working to prevent all cures. So…we’re still 25 million deaths short, I say every other day. Instead of 3%, we have 0.03%, or even 0.0003%, hard to tell since, hey! What did I say? EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. Of these doctors, Universities, societies, politicians, and even all good people – and it goes without saying every journalist is L Y I N G. Not the first time.

    So we don’t even have 400,000 dead, although likely more than 6% x 400k = 24k. That is, way LESS than the flu. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnddddddd we can check by the overall year’s death rate tally, which is pretty illuminating. Since no one believes a word I say, go look it up for yourself. But hey, maybe 24k only if we bothered ADMITTING the relative CURE we have, instead of, you know, killing people. Like the U of Washington seems to be doing.

    So why would we need lockdowns that 1,000 years of history says won’t work, the CDC says won’t work, when we have a de-facto cure or therapy against a disease that is, relative to diseases, non-dangerous?

    Actually, why DIDN’T we follow the pandemic blueprint we’ve had on the books for 100 years, which we had the equipment for up til Obama ditched it? Or did we? Is this the new pandemic blueprint, you know, the one I and thousands of other people have been reading about for decades, that will create limitless state tyranny, neatly granular against each specific individually passport or region at will? Golly, since I can read that, have been reading it for decades, SURELY someone else can, has; SURELY all those neato white-papers by the UN and Gates Foundation are still published somewhere. SURELY if that were true, we would see it playing out somewhere, maybe faraway, like Victoria, as they savage the people in a play at sheer tyranny. You know: worse than the one that’s already been stealing and raping your 13-year-old daughters everywhere.

    Since that’s been written for decades, was written with a highly public test scenario just last October, and is being written publicly right now, SURELY it will be obvious that when we have a couple cures, therapies, clearly an inflated rate, inflated in the news only yesterday with the —SHOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — COVID tests have a huge number of false positives! From dead virus material. What? Whooda knoood? AND they’re still using the wrong tests, tests too slow to give actionable information – EVAH! While politicians make hay and consolidate power with bailouts-4-pals(TM). And it’s aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllll not on purpose. Gee golly.

    Uh huh. Go on.

    So what is Taleb saying, except that the CDC is a liar, and they can stop with lockdown any minute you like, and there’s no 1% lockdown threshold? He may be a mathematician, but he’s no scientist, that’s for sure. And like all economists and mathematicians, he’s immune to GIGO. That is, “Extraneous Factors” i.e. the whole world, any real data. Garbage In. The tests are crap, the lack of cure is crap, the death rate is crap, therefore his conclusions are crap squared.

    How do we know that? Same as always: Taleb says 110% of all earth should stop, all growing, cooking, shipping, eating, medicine, garbage, communication, as everyone stays home. Certainly! No one will die when stores are empty and your car doesn’t work because there are no car parts and no gasoline, no manufacturing, no masks, no ambulances. Naw! No one dies at all when we shut all supply down worldwide. Not even of drugs and suicide. Or riots. Or wars in what is a de-facto world embargo. Or complete loss of healthcare due to year-long unemployment. Nope! Safe as houses, ‘e says.

    Yup, a risk specialist that would kill us all in thirty days by “saving” us. Like all experts. And we can’t stop until we conquer death. Why? Because surely with a disease about as dangerous as the flu, therefore trying to be radically MORE safe I can only conclude the goal is to conquer all reality, time, space, and death. To rise abouve God himself. Until then, all businesses, all poor people must DIE. To save them, ‘natch. Not surprised, like usual. All experts are always this way. Worldwide mass murder. Shut it all down, Mr. President! Real “Green New Deal” stuff.

    Anyway, so just as Lockdown 1.0 was an un-needed voluntary fantasy: or mostly, and peppered with DNC mayors actively mass-murdering maybe 40,000 while the AMA and Pope Fauci applauded, while every doctor from him down to the Veterinarian Tech cheers in elated approval, pretty sure Lockdown 2.0 (now definitively NOT called “The Boogaloo”) will be mostly the same.

    So everything’s going perfectly: economy destroyed, people killed by thousands, particularly the poor and old, people scared attacking and hating each other for lies, black businesses burned and bought up by insiders with taxpayer “renewal” money, power consolidated, billionaires richer, their daughters unemployed and available online, power leaving governments and the people and moving to unelected bureaucrats, bought science, and all non-scientists like Mr. Gates now playing god when they’re not busy giving more kids polio in Africa. Again. Oh and again. And just like Fauci with about a million HIV killed by him back in the 80s, back to the Tuskegee airmen to god-knows-when. But lies, death, murder, that is their god in their weird and terrible religion.

    So anyway, since they’re not going to help but are going to kill you, you’re on your own: get your own health, your own exercise, your own C and D, and Zinc and everything else.

    But you’re going to die anyway. But not of COVID. So make the most of it and don’t live in sissy, quavering fear, hating all that is.

    #62986
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Okay, sanity check: One: N95s stop viruses if anyone can remember back to March. And barely. Remember they must be perfect, and must be swapped when damp. So masks UNDER N95s do NOT stop viruses, as seen in many ways, by mesh size, by airflow measures, whatever you like. So if it doesn’t restrict your breathing as much as an N95, it’s not stopping viruses. It might be stopping droplets, bacteria to an extent, but not viruses worth a hoot.

    Okay, second sanity check: let’s play. Let’s say they work! They work I tells ya!!! So great! We’re saved! No need to let anyone out of prison, nor nuttin’. Go shopping, go to work, have sex (as advised by doctors wtf), vote, disco party! I mean they work, right? Right?

    So if they work, your mask works for you, then

    WHY DO I NEED ONE?

    If it works at all, it works for you, then logically, your mask works for both of us. We’re saved! Now you can wear all the masks you want, and I don’t have to. And what’s more, you don’t have to punch me over it. Lockdowns averted. Freedom reigns.

    That is, if they work at all, right?

    Naw, no science here. Only obedience.

    #63108
    TonyPrep
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    Almost any face covering will reduce the risk. This study shows that only one tested face covering was as bad as, or worse than, no covering at all. Surprisingly, a valved N95 mask wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. The study was for particles leaving the nose and mouth, rather than for the particles being blocked the other way (though I’d guess the ranking would be similar for the reverse). Whilst no mask would stop all transmission, reducing the risk is better than not reducing the risk. A mask also protects the wearer by reducing the viral load, if infected, which lessens the likely impact of the disease, as the body has more time to mount a response.

    Regarding doses of medicines, anti-virals need to be administered as early as possible. Although early treatment of hospitalized patients would likely help, it is better if they are administered almost before an infection is confirmed. This would make it very difficult to get the doses to those who need it (remember that the positivity rate is over 5%, so doses should be administered to the other 95% before and until their results come back).

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