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    Saul Leiter Harlem 1960   Lots of news outlets labeled yesterday’s House vote to impeach President Trump “historic”. It was. But what was histori
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    #52235
    zerosum
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    it was not the House that impeached President Donald Trump, it was the Democratic Party.

    the Constitution is a document written by slaveholders.
    edit: add (elite, powerful, rich, white, men)

    Nancy Pelosi now hints she will delay sending articles of impeachment to the Senate

    If Trump gets re-elected, and I would wager he will be after all the circus, the Dems can only start the wheel again.
    edit: add (if the social/economic system has not collapsed)

    #52237
    WES
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    This is what you get when communists hijacked the Democratic party. Their goal is to destroy the existing order so they can seize power. Lenin and Stalin would be proud.

    They hate the fact President Trump is standing in their way of seizing power from the American people. They hate that their efforts to disarm the American people is being blunted.
    Their hatred of free people justifies their efforts to imprison the American people.
    Their hatred justifies attacking and destroying everyone with different beliefs than their own.
    Their hatred justifies destroying all institutions of a civilized society.
    Their hatred blinds them to reality.
    Their hatred requires them to ignore certain inconvenient truths.
    Their hatred justifies their behavior.
    Their hatred justifies killing all their perceived opponents.
    Their hatred justifies all they do.

    Rafal Granowicz: A Polish mercenary. Was asked what it was like to take human life? “I wouldn’t know, I have only killed communists.”

    #52238
    zerosum
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    @ WES
    I”ll answer with a quote from Raúl
    “PS2 I know there are not really two political parties in the US”

    #52247
    Dr. D
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    “If one values the Constitution, the House, the Senate and the Office of President of the United States…”

    Ah, but they don’t. As clear from their impeachment actions, but also their daily actions and continuous, unrelenting contempt for the entire Bill of Rights, especially the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 10th Amendments, but also the entire federal register and the U.N. treaty on human rights. The whole POINT is to remove the Constitution and therefore the rule of law, and make it a rule of power. If you’re opposed to, and are selectively interpreting and enforcing every law in the book, including the very first ones written, what other interpretation is there? I mean, beyond that they openly SAY so, on camera, in a campaign, while actively trying to catch the ear of the whole U.S. population, as Beto has done.

    So just start from they DON’T care. They most earnestly DESIRE this thing. But that leaves the question, if it’s not about law, rule, office, or tradition, then what is it about?

    Since the consequences of “Opening the floodgates” and “Throwing out everything American politics is based on” is very obvious and made additionally clear in Virginia this week, the only conclusion that can be made is that they WANT to “Fundamentally change America” by “throwing everything out”, including the Constitution. And since our nation is somewhat odd in being founded on contract law and not a locality or ethnicity, they are therefore utterly destroying and erasing the United States, forever. …But again, it’s not like they haven’t said this a thousand times in their speeches and papers. They are wildly open about it. It’s just that, like everything else, no one believes them. Like Mein Kampf, no one believes when they read this is the specific plan, with specific strategy and specific goals, that they actually MEAN it. Why would you think that? Why would a person who spends their career writing papers and speeches about something not actually mean it? Because you yourself have goodwill and mean or believe or intend otherwise?

    For the present case, I feel they should immediately start impeachment proceedings against Pelosi for obstruction of Congress. In any case, it won’t matter, I don’t see a winning move here, nor a zugzwang. The Supreme Court may weigh in as to whether it’s even possible to withhold the documents, or whether the act takes form the second the vote is tallied. The Senate can hold a trial anyway, with the attempted withholding being a legal footnote. They can also hold an independent investigation and trial that they advertise is not a consequence of the House vote. They can also sit around, appoint another 500 judges and win the election.

    This is just what you call “muddying the waters” which seems to be a poor and desperate defense, a reckless bid for a few more days for something, anything, to come up and save them from themselves while a few more courts meet and a few more idiots experts weigh in.

    Even so, this isn’t the end, as the troubles in Virginia demonstrate. Obviously the response here is to get an informant imbedded into the ‘militia’ and open fire on someone, then like Ohio, get a police or Guardsman to fire back, etc, blah blah. The cultural difference and outlook on the rights of man are too different, or rather, they are too mind-bendingly intolerant to just leave other cultures, other peoples, such as farmers in Western Virginia and any rural person on the face of the earth, alone. Like always. But they write about all this, they planned all this, and as their much-loved thought leader Alinsky said, they expected and planned to kill at least 10% of the holdouts – 30 million people – since the 70’s. Gotta crack a few eggs. And why not? That’s what “revolution” and being a “revolutionary” means. What else could it mean? That’s what the democratic socialists have always written and always done, everywhere in time, and are very open about their heroes and their heroes’ tactics. Why would anyone think otherwise now that we’re here?

    So we roll ever on.

    #52252
    Maxwell Quest
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    Many thanks, Ilargi, for your voice of sanity in an insane world.

    I wonder who it was that rattled Speaker Pelosi’s cage back in September that prompted her quick about-face? She is obviously not a person driven by fundamental core principles, the common good, law, or the constitution. As with all agents, some handler reached out and jerked her chain. Someone who wants The Donald politically disabled, maimed, or just plain coerced. I can’t help wondering if this impeachment is being used to hold hostage Rudy’s findings from his Ukraine visit? (I believe Dr. D. implied this recently) Or is more pressure needed to get Trump behind the war machine’s next victim, Iran?

    #52253
    Glennda
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    Tulsi Gabbard is the only one who has the best approach. Shun the “debates”, speaks out for reconciliation and for peace. For me Tulsi and Bernie would be a fine team to run for election. She knows foreign policy and he cares for helping the poor and the 99%. Health care should be medicare for all with single payer and also choice of private expensive insurance.

    #52254
    Professorlocknload
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    Since we are speaking of the Constitution, and it’s assorted components, the 2nd amendment comes to mind. You know, the one that guarantees all the others? Ultimately, and unfortunately, if unchecked, the ever accelerating political dissonance in this Constitutional Republic will reach such a crescendo, that last resort attempts at solutions will be directed toward the true intent of said amendment, that of protecting the people from the injustices imposed upon them by an errant government, all other options having been exhausted.

    Humm,,,maybe those ‘ol’ boys were smarter than some people give them credit?

    #52255
    Kevin Bahm
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    There are many issues bedeviling the Democrats impeachment crusade, and Raul’s point on the partisan nature of the House vote and what that means should give everyone pause. But to suggest that no impeachable offense has occurred is to either ignore the clear implications of the president’s words and actions or to willfully misrepresent that evidence by parroting Trumpist propaganda. If a gangster says “nice little shop you have here, hate to see something bad happen to it…” he has communicated a threat. There is no requirement in the law to spell it out as if speaking to a child, saying instead “if you don’t pay me I will personally come down here tonight and burn down your store.”

    The transcript of the call concurrent with Trump’s directive to withhold funds establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that the crime of bribery was committed by the president. This crime is framed as “abuse of authority”, and his subsequent documented attempts to stymie the investigation resulted in the second charge of obstruction. It seems probable that senate Republicans will eventually acquit Trump with or without a fair trial, but some conservative voices supporting impeachment are coming forward now so we could see some of Trump’s lapdogs in congress turn on their master.

    The Case for Impeachment Is Overwhelming

    https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2019/december-web-only/trump-should-be-removed-from-office.html

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