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@John Day re compliant vs noncompliant personality traits
You raise very good points. I would add to them by hazarding a guess that the folks who establish and maintain true nations are largely (and ironically) predominantly noncompliant types.
My goodness, @Oroboros, you are on a roll!
In fact, everybody’s coffee seems to be working this morning.
@ Formerly T-Bear Re: #123469 (etc.)
I figure that’s a good story, a good reference to the maestro (Sam Clemens) , and a good hint to not even think about ever challenging you on a maths quiz.
@FormerlyT-Bear
Dammit. Now I feel remorseful. I’ve gotta come clean with the FULL story of how I ranked top of my class in Stats & Probability.
Grades in the class were based on three mid-term tests and a Final Exam. The midterms would account for half and the Final would be the other half.
I felt like a hapless hopeless idiot throughout, and during the Final I felt even worse. I resigned myself to failure and just waited for the ax to fall when my test came back at 27% correct answers . I had done a little bit better on the midterms, but not by much. All questions were math based, to include all of the work sheets as well as the mathematically expressed answers themselves.
Imagine my shock when the grades were posted and I got an A+.
So, I went to the Professor and respectfully informed him that I did not understand half of what was on the exam and certainly did not deserve even a passing grade, much less an A+.
His answer sort of changed the direction of my life. First of all, said that since the course was about statistics and probability that all grading was done on a purely math based curve. Secondly he said that for this reason the Final Exam was designed in such a way that a perfect 100% score was as close to impossible as they could manage because they wanted to bracket the entire range of best possible to worst possible. And lastly he told me that I got the high grade and top position because that’s where I landed on the curve, and added, “You just aren’t aware of how badly everyone else did.”
The other thing I learned (many many decades later) was that anyone who would look a gift horse in the mouth and go back a teacher to COMPLAIN about getting an A+ grade was some kind of REAL WEIRDO.
@FormerlyT-Bear re: #123458 , #123460 , #123461
Not to brag or anything (well, maybe a little bit, and I’m aware I’ll pay the price for my bad manners) but he aced Probability & Statistics at Southern Illinois University, 1967, at the top of his class.
However, getting back to your point, I ain’t saying that figures don’t lie. I’m saying that once a really good liar starts writing those figures down the probability of his getting away with using true figures to tell a lie and get away with it approaches 100%.
And of course there’s always the possibility that the statistician is lying about the numbers themselves. He coulda just pulled them out of thin air (or some darker damper place) and the raw stats are themselves pure fantasy. In today’s world the odds on that aren’t very good in our favor either.
Jimmy the Greek won’t even touch the bet.
“Figures can’t lie, but liars can figure” – Anonymous
Just thought this might be a good time to mobilize a wizened old veteran.
News Flash !!
Healthy, living, people who can still afford cars and fuel have more automobile accidents than populations who have been impoverished, sickened or killed by the clot shot.
We live in a funny old world. A world where the most outrageously murderous lies (including the lie committed by silence) can be told with complete impunity, but where telling the unvarnished truth is to take your life in your hands.
Aspnaz vocalized the problem pretty well when he said, “The farmers need to work out a way to fight against the contrived crisis. I do not know what that could be.”
The solution is one that we all know, and usually reject , on the excuse that it’s too simple. Simple to the point of being simplistic, or naïve, and to be brushed aside in favor of more complicated “adult thinking” type solutions.
In fact it is none of those things. It is merely courageous (which goes a long way toward explaining why it’s so uncommon).
The solution is to tell the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God.
Don’t soften it with polite language, “redacted ” names, or carefully phrased euphemism. Just say it out loud . . . and to hell with what “polite” “normal” people think about you for saying such “unspeakable” things.
Of course you’ll be “cancelled” for doing it, but at this point I would ask what have you got to lose?
He who must not be named or directly addressed must be having an exceptionally bad day.
Anybody can have a bad day, but statements like , “. . . 99.9% (give or take a few) of people will double down on anger, blame, shame, depression, and commiseration thereof when challenged to do the opposite. . .” is over the top even for the bummerest of bad days.
He don’t even believe it his ownself (or won’t tomorrow, after a good nights sleep) so shouldn’t lay it on everybody else. Makes him sound like a septuagenarian Eeyore instead of the eloquently snarky old asshole that we’ve all come to know and love.
I’s sorry. I just can’t pass up the chance to push the SBF ornithological metaphor.
Sam is the perfect stool pigeon: Guilty, stupid, scared and about to be cooked.
Sam Bankman Fraud was not actually arrested. He was taken into protective custody . . . and I ain’t talking about HIS protection.
And the reason they’re keeping the jailbird in the cage without bail is not that they were worried about the risk of flight, it was the risk of song.
Elon is now catching aWokened hell for tweeting out the word “Follow” and the emoji of a rabbit.
The lefties immediately leaped into multi-media frontal assault on Musk by re-circulating his Tweet to their somnolent hoard of aWokened followers, thereby spreading Elon’s message to tens of millions of ignorant people who might otherwise have just gone right on sleeping.
And to top even that astounding mistake, the hyperventilatting critics (as in ALL of the usual suspects) are dragging back into public view a raft of old scandals (Pizzagate, Clintons, Podesta, etc.) that had been successfully suppressed, buried and forgotten for years.
The whole debacle belongs in the text books as an example of how NOT to do propaganda.
I thought the Cabal were supposed to be PsyOp geniuses. They should have stayed awake in class.
Spreading one’s opponent’s message to your own people ( the TARGET market he was aiming for) is pretty close to being as dumb as it gets in the propaganda biz.Speaking about funny, I think it’s both funny and oddly instructive that the words innocent, ignorant and unconscious come awfully dammed close to being synonyms.
And that the difference between comedy and tragedy is not so much the presence or absence of those three things, but the relative degree of their presence or absence.
I am repeatedly flabbergasted by the fact that it’s same people who bewail the evils of globally centralized power and control who are the most apoplectic in their denial that those collaborating globalist/centralists are literally and actually doing any globally collaborative centrallized planning.
Howzat work, exactly? The WEF just suddenly POPPED! into hyper-hierarchical existence, only to find that their goals . . . . by pure coincidence . . . . just happened to be an exact match with UN Agenda 2030 (which in turn looks a helluva lot like what a dozen secret societies have been cooking up and promoting (INDEPENDENTLY from each other, mind you) for the past few centuries.
I think the denialists need to watch more Monty Python and pay more attention to what makes it funny.
My favorite metaphorical fable is the one about the seven blind wise men examining the elephant. You’ve all heard it.
I’m the EIGHTH wise guy, who pisses ALL of them off by asking why is there a goddam elephant in the room.
Gee, Billy Boy, you packed three lies into three three sentences. Don’t they call that a “Hat Trick” or something?
Don’t worry, folks, the Dore-Webb interview is just fine, and yes, organized collapse of civilization is being administrated by the intelligence community.
Like my Dad used to say, too many Generals not enough civilians.
Not a good time for slipping back into the blissful oblivion of discomfort avoidance. If we weren’t doing the right thing with all of this complaining the bad guys wouldn’t be trying to make us shut up. If simple truths plainly spoken make you too uncomfortable there’s always the option of just going back to sleep.
Furthermore, I insist upon respectful recognition of my rank. I am not a major complainer. I am a GENERAL complainer.
America borrows (from nowhere) 5 trillion dollars, pretends to “make” and “spend” that money 4 times over during the next 12 months, and calls that a GDP of 20 Trillion.
eugyppius sure wastes a lot of brainwork and bandwidth (not to mention my precious time) explaining all of his reasons for abandoning reason and deciding to ignore the documented evidence and go with the mainstream narrative of “The multiple simultaneous lockstep death marches you’re being murdered with these days are all purely coincidental. Human frailty, ya know?”
Someone going to all that effort to persuade himself and others to NOT open their eyes to see what’s right in front of them punching them in the face, just naturally makes me curious about what the fuck they’re so afraid of.
Elections are rigged
The surveillance police state is rigged
The Finance system is rigged
Big Tech Social Media is rigged
The Justice System is rigged
Law Enforcement is rigged
Main Stream Media is rigged
Censorship is rigged
The Military Industrial Complex is rigged
Academia is rigged
Public Education is rigged
Scientific research funding and publishing is rigged
Big Pharma is rigged
The Health Care system is rigged
Food production and distribution is rigged
Energy production and distribution is rigged
The Internet is riggedAnd the small circle of owners who are doing the rigging are all each others close friends and relatives.
And they meet and then publish their plans to depopulate and rule the entire world.
And they march in lockstep to execute every line item of those plans.
And they silence all opposition.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing. They are not a centralized conspiratorial Cabal because history rhymes.
I can forgive James Kunstler for a lot of things, but there’s ONE thing that nobody can forgive him for even if they wanted to and that is when he is just plain straight up flat ass WRONG.
Specifically, people CANNOT be “tools of history”.
People do stuff, for reasons, and then THAT becomes history. NOT the other way around. Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab ain’t no fuckin’ “tools of history.” Like my wife Ruey just pointed out, “It’s like he’s saying effects just sort of ‘happen’ before the cause.”
My personal theory about why Kunstler keeps back off from the patently OBVIOUS fact that there’s an explicitly collaborating Cabal is that a noticeably disproportionate number of conspirators appear to have Jewish names and heritage, and iterconnection. That freaks Jim out because HE is just a bit Jewish, too, and he’s both embarrassed and terrified of being tarred with the same brush . . . like has happened so many times in history.
Come ON, James !! Duh !!
Don’t you get it ?
Those assholes aren’t faithful God fearing Jews ! They are FAKES who play the “anti-Semite” card (that THEY dreamed up) to HIDE among the real, faithful, legitimate Jews to avoid prosecution. The trouble with you, James, is that your pusillanimous back-pedaling on this “Cabal” issue is actually helping those assholes get away with it. Throw the bums out! Stop letting them hide and harm with impunity behind that hokey “anti-Semite” bullshit.
There’s nothing “anti-Semite” about collaring a criminal and throwing his ass in jail.
If I was negotiating the prisoner Whelan-Griner-Bout prisoner swap deal for the Russian side I would have made the following offer to the United States:
If you give us Viktor Bout we will give you your choice from the following menu of choices:
Choice #1 : You can have Griner alone, but not Whelan.
Choice #2: You can have Whelan alone, but not Griner
Choice #3: You can have BOTH Griner AND Whelan, IF you publicly and officially admit in writing that Whelan is indeed a spy working under the command of U.S. Intelligence.
Think of the world, modern day civilization as a whole, as an essentially feudal system and you won’t be too far from the mark. Within that hierarchical system of functionaries people like Biden, Zelenski and Fauci are distractions to draw the eyes of the public away from the king makers who appoint or allow the Zelenskis and Fauci’s and Bidens to hold those positions as functioning decoys. Think of the king makers as Dukes, Boyars or Board Directors, of which there is always a Chairman of the Board, Royal Duke or leading Boyar.
The reign of Ivan The Terrible is an excellent encapsulated example of how it all works & how it falls down.
Hey, it’s great news that Fauci is getting thrown to the wolves by his bosses, with Zelenski, Dorsey and Clintons soon to follow. But don’t think for a minute that they are themselves very important at all. They aren’t. It ain’t even close to over until the Capos and Capo di Tutti Capo are OPENLY defending their own turf in their own name, with no more ventriloquist dummy “leaders” standing between them and an outraged population.Anyone who thinks Anthony Fauci, personally, had the “juice” to place himself next to Trump and at the apex of the mass murder Covid/Vax event probably also believes that Zelenski runs Ukraine and Joe Biden runs America.
@MyParentsSaidKnow
It’s my view that religions are basically people who tell other people about God, serving (in that capacity) as interpreters, middlemen or libraries of sacred knowledge. That’s fine, I suppose, if they happen to be clear thinking honest brokers. Nevertheless, I’ve always wondered why people would ask other people (who are often at least as bewildered as themselves) about God instead of having the conversation direct. If there is a God (and obviously there is) capable of creating a universe replete with myriad consciously sentient beings, then that God is penultimately capable of conversing with any and all them (at once) in terms that each can easily understand.
The little kid in your poem might have got better results by skipping the middleman.
Hot damn! What an opportunity. I hardly ever get to disagree with (or in this case add to) anything Dr D says, because his observations just nail it almost every time.
Well, actually, the only disagreement isn’t actually a full-on disagreement with anything he said. The difference of opinion is more along the lines of where he chose to end off the investigative and explanatory data trail: China.
Oh its China alright, just like Doc said, except not really.
Agreed, that the U.S. descent into wackdom was and is a Chinese campaign of long range warfare. BUT you can’t lay the blame at China’s doorstep because the idea to do that did not originate in China.
Us old guys remember that the PR Narrative back in the day is that it was President Nixon and the (mostly) American Industrialists who hatched the plan of shipping America’s industrial capacity to China where slave labor would make cheap shit to sell to American’s for hugely increased profit margins, in exchange for which China would “buy” US debt (T-Bills) in an endless carousel of treasonous fraud that (along with the Petro Dollar arrangement) was reckoned to cement the Empire’s hegemony for the next thousand years.
Except it wasn’t Nixon’s idea. Tricky Dick got it (was compelled, actually) by way of renowned incomparable Machiavellian, Henry Kissinger . . . . who in turn was not his own man.
Above Henry is the murkiness I not too fondly refer to as “The Cabal”.
So what was the plan, really?
My conspiracy theory is that The Cabal knew (from previous experience) that the China gig was one of the last tricks in their bag to prop up the dollar based hegemony that was already predictably near the end of it’s workable life span. All Ponzi schemes must come to an end and this one was in an accelerating death spiral due to lack of TANGIBLE ownership of the commodities which petrodollars only abstractly represent.
So the plan was to steal Russia and it’s vast vast vast natural resources. Must have looked great on paper. How was the Cabal to know that it’s ancient enemy (the Rus) had learned a thing or two and were ready for them when the betrayals and aggressive encroachments reached a certain fever pitch. (at the very least they were not very surprised. ) And how was the Cabal to know that when they set off to make the US even more stupid than it already was that America would exceed their expectations and become SO incompetent that the once mighty empire wouldn’t even be able to tie it’s own shoelaces . . . . much less beat Russia in a land war in Asia, which the Russians had been prepping for for a decade or so.
And China? They got a problem or two. First of all, getting OUT of the dollar isn’t as easy at it looks.
China is working hard (ineffectively, just to keep their doors open now that they (at the Cabal’s insistence) have fucking ANNIHILATED their own customer base in both the US and Europe. Can’t sell much to folks who don’t have money (Hey, will ya take another wheelbarrow of incredible shrinking dollars for that TV set? No? Well how about a container ship of Euros?). China’s Ponzi has run out of fresh suckers. Think Japan, only writ large.
The only way this dog’s breakfast of a genius plan was going to leave the Cabal in charge of anything is if the “whatever is left” was a very very very small population of severely weakened and disorganized refugees who could still make and run a hyper-advanced high technology civilization with 1/10th of it’s previous population and 1/100th of the money.
That’s what they’re working on now. And failing as usual. They will be in jail, the ground, or lunatic asylums well within the current decade. It takes decades to turn the momentum of the collapse they’re engineered, and the momentum toward the demise of the Cabal is still accelerating. There is no way to reverse that momentum even if they knew how . . . and they don’t have the foggiest clue about how. Lying, cheating stealing and killing is all they know how to do and even then they require others to actually DO the doing.
Sixty seconds Sunday School : (only partially tongue-in-cheek)
The mainest and best reason that you should treat other people truly well ( that is, seek to benefit THEIR enlightened best interests at least equally to your own) is that they are a part of you. You and they are part of the same world and are inextricably part of each others very real existence. No way out of that one, and it’s especially relevant about one’s enemies.
Smash your own thumb with a hammer on purpose (because it’s a “bad” thumb and isn’t working properly any more?) if you want to. But I’m telling ya that won’t work vey well in the medium to long run even if it does temporarily distract you from the things you should probably see and fix in your own self, because it damages something that you cannot get away from.
This is not say you should let others abuse you. Letting someone descend into evil and self-destruction by condoning their crimes is NOT in their enlightened best interests. Nevertheless, if this current globe spanning mess winds up devolving into kinetic internecine war you can’t blame the lack of a good solution on the bad guys. They’re too stupid to know. YOU are the one who still has their wits about them, so that’s who has to fix it. Duh! (sorry for the mocking tome, but I mean REALLY! Who else could do it? The insane morons who are trying to harm you ?)
There’s only one way out of this: Truth, the WHOLE Truth, and Nothing But The Truth, so help you God.
So there’s Sunday’s sermon. Go and sin less than usual.
That’s sure one peculiar game you’re playing. I’m sure it’s quite amusing (to your at least) but better be careful. If you keep twisting your mind around too long it might stick in that position and THEN what are ya gonna do?
I wish people would stop referring to the “Intelligence Agencies” or the so-called “Intelligence Community” as though those things were somehow “contained” entities that could be encapsulated or identified in terms of name, address, administrative structure that could be given an official title, abbreviated with a three letter acronym and stuffed into a cubby hole.
That’s just not how covert intelligence works.
It works on the principle that THERE ARE NO PRINCIPLES , other than power and expediency, and that maintenance of such power and expediency requires secrecy and the complete absence of external control. Period.
The “intelligence community” answers to superiors.
The hand that holds the secrets is the hand that rules that rules the world.
Starting in 1974 High Fructose Corn Syrup started replacing Cane Sugar and Beet sugar in the production of processed foods, and now accounts for just over half of the sugars consumed by humans (it started at virtually zero, percentage wise).
It is marketed and described as virtually identical ( both chemically and nutritionally) to the other two sugars but there are two little things about it that make it different.
The first thing is that for not-yet-understood reasons Fructose does not trigger the hormonal response that tells the brain “That’s enough sugar for now, boyo. You can stop craving the sweets for now.”
And the second little difference is that it’s WAY cheaper, both to make and to use in the industrial food process.
Thankyou for the carefully expressed thoughts and observations. Not very cheery, but worthy of deep reflection. I’m going to be rereading it many times today.
I’m not so much bitter and emotional about the stuff guys like Murphy write as I am just plain bored by their sophomoric pseudo logic dressed up in ever fancier costume, but still the same old lies. It is devoid of actual thinking or fresh idea. It has been churned out for decade upon decade, and the purveyors still make no sense whatever. Go ahead and waste a day carefully unpacking, unraveling and understanding their word soup and it always comes back to the fact that they don’t even understand what they’re parroting. They’ve been selling the same lie and same solution since forever, and frankly they’re not as good at it as they think they are and will continue to lose until the have lost, at which time everyone wins.
P.S.
I checked out your included link to Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs, and Maslow himself. Not too bad for a city boy of limited breadth and range of personal experience, but his theory was a long long way from maturity, and it’s a pity that he died so young and didn’t really finish it.I’m sure that many of us here pray for the speediest possible healing of your foot.
@AutonomousUnit
Mr Murphy doesn’t himself directly advocate killing anybody, but he’s very much part of (wittingly or unwittingly) the sets and staging of psychological manipulations designed to make people easier marks for others to do the direct physical damage. In Murphy’s case I reckon that he’s just an unwitting accomplice (dupe) who more or less believes believes his own malarkey, partly because he’s being paid so well to do so.
In the jargon of Carnival hucksters Murphy’s job is called shill. The shill doesn’t fleece the mark. The shill just manipulates the mark’s thinking by misdirecting the victim’s attention and feeding in lies, damned lies statistics and faked up visual aids. . . all aimed at selling a fatal “solution” (the huckster actual objective) that was decided upon LONG beforehand.
We don’t need to speculate about what those solutions are. They are the dismantlement of our heretofore working installation. The SOLUTIONS are the problem. Murphy’s fatally flawed pseudo analysis is just an example of how it’s done.
So I incautiously went ahead and read the article “Finite Feeding Frenzy” by Tom Murphy, to my great aggravation and sorrow.
The piece was just the pathetic pretentious maundering of yet another sheltered Malthusian Idiot. “Save us from collapse by dismantling everything that keeps us alive and collapsing it before collapse happens and kills us all!” Seriously? I mean how fucking STUPID can ya get? That kind of sheer utterly batshit crazy brain death is really pushing the envelope.
First off. let’s have a look at the dolt who wrote this tripe:
“Tom Murphy is a professor of physics at the University of California, San Diego. An amateur astronomer in high school, physics major at Georgia Tech, and PhD student in physics at Caltech, Murphy has spent decades reveling in the study of astrophysics. He currently leads a project to test General Relativity by bouncing laser pulses…”
A physics professor. Surprise !! In other words, an academic member of an artificially elevated elite, sheltered every day of his life from the irreducible BASICS of real-world actions that are genuinely necessary to keeping a human body alive and well. (i.e. fed, sheltered, clothed, assisted by friends and protected from predators, etc.). Other people did all of those actions FOR the guy. It arrested his intellectual and emotional development, sticking him in childhood. He didn’t have to know how to do ANY of those vital-skill activities himself. Never had to learn them. Never had to do them. Never experienced the reality of those personal skills as being the only things that stood between him and death. In other words, never grew up. In that particular regard he is an infant, or a moron (or both). All he ever HAD to do was give servants a pittance of money and then they would take care of all vital necessities for him. The money, NOT incidentally, which had previously been stolen from those actual producers as taxes or other mandatory “fees” by the folks who overpay the professor’s exorbitant salary. Soft gig. (at least for as long as the slaves are able to keep giving the elite free shit.) “Slavery: the gift of being made to keep on giving”.
Such luxury comes at a price. The price is that in order to keep the gifts flowing the slave master has to OBEY masters of his own. He had to obey his parents, and then his teachers, and finally his employer (who all in their own turn had to obey their personal set of “superiors” as well.)
Obey, obey, obey, and that goes ESPECIALLY for the orders slammed down through the chain of command to keep all that good stuff flowing upwards.
Well those slaves half way to the bottom (who remain healthy enough to still work) may be ignorant, and ugly and recalcitrant as an old mule but there are TWO things that they know better than those cretins at the top : First off, they know that if you destroy the means of producing the NECCESSITIES of life then the production of those vital necessities stops and lots of people die. And the SECOND thing they know that it’s WAY better to die at some unspecified time in the relatively distant future than it is to commit suicide (or be murdered) immediately. You NEVER stop trying to do what it takes to stay alive NOW just because even tougher times may lay ahead.
Look, y’all. When a new technology starts to supplant an old one, or a vital resource starts to deplete, the solution is NOT to go out and burn down the old stuff that you are STILL and CURRENTLY depending on for life just because the future MAY require a different operating basis than the present. What you’re supposed to do in those circumstances is ADAPT, slowly and cautiously (if CURRENT conditions permit) to the new conditions while gradually phasing out the old ways.
Humans have done that pretty successfully for a quarter of a million years (or a hell of a lot longer than that if you include older models prior to the latest sapiens sapiens edition)
Adaptation is what people do. It’s what we’re built for.
We can even adapt to the situation of some of our species becoming such diabolically insane pampered and incompetent elite morons that they think it’s a GOOD idea to kill everybody. That’s a huge challenge. It’s tricky.
A large part of that adaptation consists of continuing to live by hook or crook, part of it is tracking back the cancer to its source to excise or reform it, and part of it is refining our information sharing skills so that secret crimes are not so easy and effective to pull off as they have been up ’til now.
