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@ Raul
Only reason I ranked Harris/Pence above Trump/Biden is that he and Joe are both way past their expiration date, so my fears focus on who might step in if either croaks or proves otherwise disabled.
It’s time we discussed something really important:
Fly spotted on Mike Pence’s head during vice presidential debate
This is serious.
I mean super-serious.
I mean really really super-serious.
Hillary Clinton doesn’t even wince when a fly lands on her face in Presidential debate
This proves Hillary is obviously an android and Pence is a zombie. Meanwhile deep in the combover depths of Donald Trump:
There’s nothing under Biden’s hair, and Kamala Harris is obviously Sarah Palin in disguise.
Can I say ‘why so serious’ yet?
@ John Day
“What is the temperature in September in Copenhagen?
The average high-temperature, in September, in Copenhagen, Denmark, is 16.7°C (62.1°F), while the average low-temperature is 9.7°C (49.5°F).
What is the average humidity in September in Copenhagen?
In Copenhagen, the average relative humidity in September is 78%.
How much does it rain in Copenhagen in September?
In Copenhagen, in September, during 13.6 rainfall days, 58.9mm (2.3″) of precipitation is typically accumulated.
What is the rainiest month in Copenhagen?
September is the month with the most rainfall in Copenhagen, Denmark. Rain falls for 13.6 days and accumulates 58.9mm (2.3″) of precipitation.”@ Gepetto
I’m sorry. I forgot to answer your squestion.
“I feel stupid and contagious” come from this song:
It just seemed to fit.
@ John Day
“All benefits should remain with the commons, whether town, county, state or nation.”
Sadly, this is the social equivalent of ‘and then a miracle occurs’.
“It’s easy to poke fun at Julian Assange. But there may be more to this than a pompous egotist whining for attention. My reading of the story is that the bag’s disappearance was immediately noticed and reported. The air carrier’s response: “We dunno.” Assange could hardly go to the cops at the time and say, “I had a top-secret video supplied by Bradley Manning in that bag, could he? ”
from comments Assange’s Luggage
Assange may have felt that keeping it on his person may have seemed equally insecure or worse. It may even have been a red herring. We don’t know. Or maybe he just wasn’t thinking clearly that day. We all have days like that. Add justified paranoia, fear of the nastiest global gangsters on the planet…
A headline this morning: “The only bright spot in Trump’s Soviet-style COVID-19 strategy is that it’s not working”.
The youngest fruit of my womb sent me this. Hilarious itself. Even more as a metaphor for news/politics/citizen-consumers.
Trump/stimulus veto threat. He plays to his base by painting the Democrat-contolled Senate as corporate welfare donors. He offends some of his base by not getting stimulus $$ to those in financial need. He scares the stock market silly, well, sillier. I wonder if he isn’t looking to win a “twitter war” with the Dems (and the GOP) in which he lets them bray awhile and then offers to sign a stimulus if it will just go to the little guy. Cross-spectrum populist appeal.
The sky is almost covered by black swans.
@ Dr. D
You’re spinning. Not straw into gold nor gold into straw. Just spinning. Where do we verify this? “So just for a start, all vitamins, minerals, and supplements will require 10-year, multi-million dollar studies only available to extremely large multi-national companies.” Not with “it seems reasonable” extrapolative guesses (“it seems very likely”); actual hard copy confirmation. It’s not like vitamin research hasn’t already been done for over 100 years.
You should work for CNN. I bet they’re hiring. But you’re sometimes fun to read, so spin on. Just don’t be surprised if we laugh. You are an entertainer, right? Youre sort of fun when you’re ranting. When you get serious: boring. Here we are now, entertain us. I feel stupid and contagious.
Regarding a Harvard analyst’s claims that Russia intel is inside Water Reed:
We view reality through our personal filters. If we remove the usual ad hominem filters that seem mandatory to any non-trivial opinion, we are left with a claim that someone from a mostly bogus news outlet says Russia has intel access to some aspect of a hospital that recently treated our president. This is as likely as not. It’s a US military hospital. Modern international borders are very porous. I have several Russians and former USSR nationals in my neighborhood. Lyft seems to hire only exclusively Ukrainians. A Ukrainian can pass in the US as Russian and vice-versa. “Sigint” is only tangentially ethnic.
People rise to this bait. They say that either Trump is lax on security (true in some aspects) and Russia is way up into our info stream (also true) or CNN is out to get Trump. The latter is obviously true but hardly news; the former is possible, even likely, but hardly news. Trump can’t keep his mouth shut. Russia/USA/every major power has surveillance in each other’s underwear. Everything else said about what is obviously just an opinion, stated as such, is pro/con spin candy. Security at CNN is probably no better than at Walter Reed, so maybe Russia knows more about our news than we do.
Zero Hedge is also in the business of news sales. It too enjoys the lucrative power of titillation and tantalizement. The Harvard analyst’s claims do their job of smearing and distracting with help from all sides. I am “very likely” right but I could be wrong. Conclusions are not data. Data are not conclusions.
@ Dr. D
“The U.N. Codex Alimentarius was planning the outlawing, or rather “regulating” of vitamins like Zinc and D to prescription only. Only narrowly escaped, and now we can see why.”
I might believe you if you provide a credible source. snopes is not perfectly reliable but this seems to be:
“First of all, this is another case of an issue that is now largely moot due to outdated information. Back in 2003, two versions of a bill that proposed the regulation of dietary supplements (S. 722, the “Dietary Supplement Safety Act of 2003,” and H.R. 3377, the “Dietary Supplement Access and Awareness Act”) were introduced to Congress. Neither of these bills was ever voted upon, much less passed. They both expired with the end of the 108th Congress in 2004 and have not been reintroduced to the currently sitting 109th Congress.
“Moreover, neither of these items of potential legislation was forced on the U.S. by an outside regulatory body, nor did they say anything about restricting the American public’s access to vitamins and minerals. Their sole target was dietary supplements, a class of products that has been unregulated since 1994, when Congress passed legislation that exempted them from federal regulation. Claims that your right to take vitamins and minerals is about to be impaired or that you will require doctors’ prescriptions to obtain such products should be regarded as attempts at rabble-rousing, deliberate moves to spur you into action against one thing by convincing you that something very different and far closer to your heart is at stake.
“Vitamins and minerals are not under the gun. Dietary supplements are. And no outside regulatory body is behind this move: the proposed legislation is the work of American lawmakers looking to safeguard the public from the unscrupulous and the hazardous. If you take nothing else from this article, take the preceding three sentences.
“Despite their presence on store shelves, not all dietary supplements are safe for consumers to use, let alone are beneficial to their health. Products can be 100% natural yet deliver a deadly payload, as have some in the past. Lacking regulation of such ingestibles, there is no protection afforded consumers, and
authoritative-looking labels are no guarantee that what is being vended in those bottles they envelop is not harmful. Under current law, dangerous supplements get onto the market and stay there, with serious physical harm resulting among those who use them, as was the case with ephedra, which caused strokes, heart attacks, and upwards of 150 deaths before the Food and Drug Administration was finally able to get it out of the stores.”Your remarks remind me of a president currently in charge. One statement undermines the other. Maybe you need to tighten up your wig:
One hopes that Trump’s recovery, presuming it remains a recovery, will increase accurate understanding of covid and suspicion of the CDC/WHO and others. However, this catalysis will work against greater understanding, also. The difference will divide along the usual lines. Maybe the increased understanding will be greater than the increased misunderstanding that Trump’s divisive nature and stature are already increasing.
For example, this morning I received email from a very smart person I know. Like many of us, she likes to think she is adequately to superiorly informed. She leans to the left. She wrote: “I can barely watch the news, but I heard our brave Commander in Chief personally killed Coronavirus with his bare hands. Huzzah! We shall all rejoice, the plague hath ended.” Meanwhile, I’m sure that many of the other camp will use this as justification to ignore all reasonable precautions against covid.
This is to be expected from a consumer culture that buys brand name labels more than it buys the stuff it contains. Trump, for most Americans, means either good/true/honest/right/strong or bad/false/dishonest/wrong/weak regardless of Trump’s actions and their known consequences, which are sometimes bad, sometimes good. This is a man who hardly knows the difference except for how it pleases or offends his ego.
I will stick my neck out onto the chopping block marked You’re Fucking Crazy. I will say that I’m beginning to believe Trump is having greatness thrust upon him. It seems to me that the mess we’re in is giving him something that is for him weird and rare. Despite his insanity, corruption, and cruelty both aggressive and passive. Something like genuine confidence and determination.
Since all he has to do is say They’re Wrong (CDC/WHO/so forth) I’m RIght, this is right up his alley. These are exemplary “interesting times”: it seems our greatest hope in USA leadership is the megalomaniacal whimsy of a deranged geriatric. If he can manage to not contradict himself enough, he might actually become a leader.
Not that it will do much good.
@ Straightwalker
“Beauty integrates the unique and the universal, our most disparate selves.”
Perfect!
@ Raul
Agreed that Trump is pivotal center of our incompetent chaos, the one factor reliably disrupting the duopoly from fulfilling its nasty to do list. He’s a splendidly loose cannon. But loose cannon tend to fall overboard.
Pence and Harris prep for a debate with suddenly higher stakes
It doesn’t seem Trump will croak from covid, but this image
seems more relevant than this one
.I can no longer take seriously anyone presenting their information in a 49-minute video using scripted text we could read in 10-15 minutes. Especially when he’s wearing a suit. Standing against a dramatic bookshelf. Has a picture of his rogue attorney hero prominently displayed.
That doesn’t mean he’s wrong. No ad hominem fallacies here. But I can’t take him seriously. His work is all audiovideo. Inherently hypnotic medium. No text available even when I google. Not to mention his share of the $$ that a class action suit would bring without doing anything to end the evil he believes is involved. By the time such a lawsuit would be won, covid and government responses to it will be history.
But at least he doesn’t wear a patch over one eye.
Perhaps Kuntsler is not trying to rally Deplorables. Kuntsler has never baan a fan of Trump. Kuntsler has ripped Trump a new asshole so often it’s useless counting.
@ Gepetto
“A society is as advanced as its treatment of its weak, its handicapped and incapacitated.”
– Nassim TalebPerhaps you didn’t write clearly enough but your closing paragraph seems to border on blaming the victims. The defining word in Taleb’s statement is advanced. We have not advanced from neolithic justice equality. We have, however, created the largest population of the most aggressively invasive species the planet has seen outside of a few insect and microbe species. Those hominids in turn have demanded the most per capita use and waste of planetary resources of any organism ever. It’s compounded greedy madness.
This has placed enormous demands on those neolithic sociomoral capacities that we are still limited to. Such extravagant resource use using such advanced technology should create utopia for humanity and steadily reduce its greedy blind waste of finite resources and harm to non-human beings. This is what the (eco) hippies were screaming about in the 60s/70s. Instead, we are regressing to conditions that resemble the Pharaonic empire at its worst. The cost/benefit ratio is very expensive for so little. No matter what, more people are impoverished every day, both in total and in ratio to the population. Meanwhile, the resources to rebuild in more humane just manner are disappearing.
Humanity is a case of Utopia or Bust. We are obviously going to bust. Advance, remember, means forward motion. We’ve taken a million steps forward with our petro-technical civilization, but the way we do a will require a billion steps back. Many won’t survive the trek.
&*(
As for AAPS, someone I know said (just this morning) that if one doesn’t read books by con liars and artists, one’s reading list will fit under a postage stamp. Same guy quoted a Baltimore homicide detective, again this morning: “Let’s see who’s lying, who’s lying more and who’s lying the most. ”
#$%
As for inspirational songs:
If you say a prayer
Say one for me
Oh keep me in your thoughts’Cause I’ll say, say one for you
Hold it for the truth
I won’t let go at all costI can’t play the blame game any longer
Made me feel stronger
Just to say that I’m weakDark thoughts pile in
One upon another
Dark as any other place, place that I’ve beenSo light a candle for me
Be the guide that I need
When I’m all aloneSo light a candle for me
Be the joy I see
I’m on my way back homeI’ll dream of you
And all the things you do
When I’m goneI’ll dream of you
And the truth
Oh the truthIs anybody out there
As full of shit as me?
Does anybody out there feel my guilt?’Cause we can start over and over again
Lit by our own light
We’re all just candles in the nightSo light a candle for me
Be the guide that I need
When I’m all aloneLight a candle for me
Be the joy I see
I’m on my way back home@ Raul
Taleb’s usually on to something. Brilliant guy. Lack of imagination is different from failure of imagination. Semantic quibble but meaningfully so.
Because some of you will like it, here’s this:
Pestilence was on its way to Damascus and sped by a chief’s caravan in the desert.
“Where are you speeding to>” asked the chief.
“To Damascus. I mean to take a thousand lives.”
On its way back froom Damascus, Pestilence passed by the caravan again. The chief said, “It was fifty thousand lives you took, not a thousand.”
“No,” said the Pestilence. “I took a thousand. It was fear that took the rest.”
I add: Incompetence and Greed took five hundred thousand after that.
@ Mr. House
Someone is always trying to start a fight. The authorities we endure reflect the people they oppress. Everyone (loosely speaking) blames everyone. When we cooperate, when we organize, it is almost always in opposition to something. I still blame Canada.
It’s obvious that Trump is mentally ill. I wouldn’t wish severe NPD like his on anyone. Yes, not even Trump. People with NPD say and do crazy shit because they’re crazy. Grace is something we do not because we like someone. That’s affection, affinity. We extend grace because we believe in compassion.
The left excoriates Trump for being Trump. Not long ago, the right excoriated Obama for being Obama, who presided over his own exorbitant share of brutal murder and torture. We have been neatly divided and conquered into warring camps. What brings us together as a people is a war. Apparently, we agree most readily on who to hate and kill.
@ Maxwell Quest
Was a time it seemed meaningful for me or someone like Raul to remind people we’re not Trump fans or supporters. That was when there was at least a hypothetical chance the system would allow the DNC to produce a slightly viable alternative.
Now that it’s been reduced to two mentally unstable old goats butting what’s left of their heads, it’s hard not to be a fan if not a supporter. He’s a lousy son of a bitch, Mr. Don-Don, and he’d sell his sister into white slavery if he thought it necessary for him to “win”, but he’s a consistently inconsistent loose cannon, and that does tend to clean the deck.
In case they didn’t make their point:
A misleading if useful chart:
The US spent about $350 billion dollars on WWII ($4.1 trillion in modern currency). $185 billion of that was US bonds bought by US citizens. One way or another, American citizens invested heavily in their governmental future. WWII being won in our favor, they got to receive the financial benefit of their investments.
The War on Terror has “only” cost $1.6 trillion, but that has been almost entirely financed by debt to foreign nations. I don’t see war bonds in our future. Not any time soon, at least. But rationing is inevitable, and we are a nation that defines almost any struggle we face as a “war”. The rationing may be overt like it was in WWII, or covert as we experience now via inflation.
That $1.6 trillion figure doesn’t include the many trillions of dollars the Pentagon has “lost”. $21 trillion dollars and counting…
Trump is fascinating. The lunatic-in-charge accomplishes amazing things despite or because of himself. He has the nation focusing skeptically on how votes are counted. Very unlikely this will produce an honest election but it is a change from the past few decades. Maybe Musk will invent robovoters so we can avoid the contagious polls.
I like Taleb but his remark on imagination is wrong. Perhaps in fuller context surrounding the original quote, it makes sense. But, as stated, it’s one of the dumbest remarks on human nature and cognition that I’ve read. But Taleb, as I’ve read him, tends to get high on his own fumes.
“In 1995, a random survey of 178 members of the Economic History Association found that out of 40 propositions about the economic history of the United States surveyed, the group of propositions about the Great Depression (including the New Deal) were the most disputed by economic historians and economists save for a qualified consensus that the “modern period of the South’s economic convergence to the level of the North only began in earnest when the institutional foundations of the southern regional labor market were undermined, largely by federal farm and labor legislation dating from the 1930s.”[3]
I personally know too many people who learned valid trades and skills via New Deal programs to call it a failure. All of those people are dead now. 2-D Black and white is for printing and early TV. The world is in color and three dimensions. The New Deal was like everything else in reality. Some good, some bad, both attributes subject to perspective.
@ Huskynut
Never mind. When someone tells me that two political parties are equally political, it’s like they’re saying two science research companies are equally scientific. I can only swallow so many pointless tautologies a day.
But you promote my point: you insist on being political even as the central concept of this discussion remains the virus. If you want to see it through a primarily political lens, knock yourself out. Me, if I’m going to deal with a virus, I’ll deal with it as a virus first and ramifications second. (Which is not to say I ignore the ramifications of, say, lockdown or mandated masks. BUt ranifications are by nature secondary.) I’ll take vitamin D, etc. I’ll take careful concerned note how the virus in turns influences politics just as I note how politics influences the virus.
Before covid, it was the same thing with global warming. One side viewed GW primarily as a climate thing; the other viewed mostly through a lens of suspicion of the government. Never mind which side may have a better handle on GW. I have no desire to debate that shit. But it would be nice if we could keep phenomena separate from the politics its influences and is influenced by.
Now you’ve traipsed ideological mud all over my nice clean laboratory floor.
Or simply put:
Do what the government says because the virus is bad.
vs
Don’t believe what the government says.Libs trust government more than cons. Government says covid bad, libs say covid bad.
Cons trust government less than libs. Government says covid, cons say covid not bad.Occam’s Razor prefers the lib position as a starting point. It has less entities. This is thesis. History demands we add some conservative reasoning because governments are proven reliably untrustworthy. This is counter-thesis. It adds the entity that maybe authority is wrong even though by definition it is supposed to be right. Then reality does what it wants. This is synthesis.
@ Huskynut
I didn’t say support for intervention by a government is apolitical. That would be a tidy oxymoron. Kind of fun taking it out of my mouth after you stuck it in there. Kinky fun. I’m saying this view doesn’t see the pandemic itself as a political thing. It doesn’t see covid as a political hoax or conspiracy. It may see government reactions to covid as political opportunism or not, but it doesn’t see covid itself as a political thing. It sees it as a virus. It may see it this way through tunnel-vision blinders. Belive everything CNN/FOX/WaPo/NYT tell them. Even believe CDC/WHO/Fauci.
Obviously, both sides (more government intervention/less-to-no government intervention) take a political stance toward resistance to political implementation of their views on covid. Mask-wearers shame non-mask wearers et vice-versa because they both have political positions regarding political actions toward covid. But one side has a more covid-centered view of covid than the other, which tends to have a more politically centered view on covid. People stand where they sit.
@ Mr. House
“I find it funny and strange that people are almost hoping something like that happens.”
Confirmation bias has a mind of its own: that of its owner.
@ Mr. House
Crossed for what? Apparently you think I have outcome expectations when I’m just watching another clusterfuck. As I watch it, I sometimes point out factual errors when it is possible. What I said about a second wave is true to epidemic patterns. If you don’t “crush” it the first time with a no-holds barred lockdown of sufficient range and duration, a second wave is almost guaranteed, and they sometimes prove much worse than the first one. Not awlays, but the contagion structure of epidemics leans toward worse.
Why do some seem to expect, hopefully, for things to get worse? Confirmation bias is part of it. Discomfort with ambiguity is also part. Technically, it’s no different than wishing or believing the virus isn’t as bad as some seem to imply. Both attempt to predict the future, which is folly. Both tend to choose data that supports their view while excluding other data.
One guy’s list of stats says the virus is a piffle. Masks don’t work. Lockdowns are political opportunism. Another guy’s list says the virus is a major threat. Only masks and lockdowns can hold the virus back. Neither side knows for sure. At least the latter camp bases their attitude on known simple patterns of epidemics. This camp also tends to have less political ideology in their rationale. It places more trust in government actions than I do, but at least it doesn’t automatically assume that conspiracy theory is the only model through which to view this thing. I don’t want my doctor treating me according to his political views. Politics naturally intrude onto epidemics because they require concerted action to deal with them. But this does not politicize the virus nor legitimise government action or lack there of. Nor does it legitimise dismissing the potential threat of covid due to political beliefs.
“There are more things, Horatio, etc…”
@ Mr House
Mr Roboto didn’t just say “just wait”: he gave a specific reason based on the pandemic foundationally relevant to our situation: the Spanish Flu epidemic. The S. Flu even followed a similar time frame. It became an acknowledged phenomenon in late spring/early winter. It calmed down, then got much worse with winter
I shared this the other day. Here again:
“First wave of early 1918
“The pandemic is conventionally marked as having begun on 4 March 1918, with the recording of the case of Albert Gitchell, an army cook at Camp Funston in Kansas, United States, despite there likely having been cases before him.[24] The disease had been observed in Haskell County in January 1918, prompting local doctor Loring Miner to warn the US Public Health Service’s academic journal.[25] Within days, 522 men at the camp had reported sick.[26] By 11 March 1918, the virus had reached Queens, New York.[citation needed] Failure to take preventive measures in March/April was later criticised.[27]“As the US had entered World War I, the disease quickly spread from Camp Funston, a major training ground for troops of the American Expeditionary Forces, to other US Army camps and Europe, becoming an epidemic in the Midwest, East Coast, and French ports by April 1918, and reaching the Western Front by the middle of the month.[24] It then quickly spread to the rest of France, Great Britain, Italy, and Spain, and in May reached Wrocław and Odessa.[24] After the signing of the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, Germany started releasing Russian prisoners of war who then brought the disease to their country.[28] It reached North Africa, India, and Japan in May, and soon after had likely gone around the world as there had been recorded cases in Southeast Asia in April.[29] In June an outbreak was reported in China.[30] After reaching Australia in July, the wave started to recede.[29]
“The first wave of the flu lasted from the first quarter of 1918 and was relatively mild.[31] Mortality rates were not appreciably above normal;[32] in the United States ~75,000 flu-related deaths were reported in the first six months of 1918, compared to ~63,000 deaths during the same time period in 1915.[33] In Madrid, Spain, fewer than 1,000 people died from influenza between May and June 1918.[34] There were no reported quarantines during the first quarter of 1918. However, the first wave caused a significant disruption in the military operations of World War I, with three-quarters of French troops, half the British forces, and over 900,000 German soldiers sick.[35]
“Deadly second wave of late 1918
“The second wave began in the second half of August, probably spreading to Boston and Freetown, Sierra Leone by ships from Brest, where it had likely arrived with American troops or French recruits for naval training.[35] From the Boston Navy Yard and Camp Devens (later renamed Fort Devens), about 30 miles west of Boston, other U.S. military sites were soon afflicted, as were troops being transported to Europe.[36] Helped by troop movements, it spread over the next two months to all of North America, and then to Central and South America, also reaching Brazil and the Caribbean on ships.[37] From Freetown, the pandemic continued to spread through West Africa along the coast, rivers, and the colonial railways, and from railheads to more remote communities, while South Africa received it in September on ships bringing back members of the South African Native Labour Corps returning from France.[37] From there it spread around Southern Africa and beyond the Zambezi, reaching Ethiopia in November.[38] The Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade, held in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on 28 September 1918 to promote government bonds for World War I, resulted in 12,000 deaths after a major outbreak of the illness spread among people who had attended the parade.[39]“From Europe, the second wave swept through Russia in a southwest-northeast diagonal front, as well as being brought to Arkhangelsk by the North Russia intervention, and then spread throughout Asia following the Russian Civil War and the Trans-Siberian railway, reaching Iran (where it spread through the holy city of Mashhad), and then later India in September, as well as China and Japan in October.[40] The celebrations of the Armistice of 11 November 1918 also caused outbreaks in Lima and Nairobi, but by December the wave was mostly over.[41]
“The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much more deadly than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. October 1918 was the month with the highest fatality rate of the whole pandemic.[42] In the United States, ~292,000 deaths were reported between September–December 1918, compared to ~26,000 during the same time period in 1915.[33] Copenhagen reported over 60,000 deaths, Holland reported 40,000+ deaths from influenza and acute respiratory disease, Bombay reported ~15,000 deaths in a population of 1.1 million.[43] The 1918 flu pandemic in India was especially deadly, with an estimated 12.5–20 million deaths in the fall months of 1918 alone.[31]”@ Kimo
” A document from 1377 states that before entering the city-state of Ragusa in Dalmatia (modern Dubrovnik in Croatia), newcomers had to spend 30 days (a trentine) in a restricted place (originally nearby islands) waiting to see whether the symptoms of Black Death would develop.[16] In 1448 the Venetian Senate prolonged the waiting period to 40 days, thus giving birth to the term “quarantine”.[1] ”
Quarantine as practiced since the term was first invented was about isolating the potentially contagious not the sick.
“People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage.” — John Kenneth Galbraith courtesy Chris Martenson
There’s an intellectual corrolary to this. People invested in a certain point of view will resist alternatives to that point of view. Their resistance will be roughly equal to their emotional/physical investment in their point of view.
