madamski cafone
Forum Replies Created
-
Posts
-
“Economic
“Alberta’s provincial board of health poster
Many businesses in the entertainment and service industries suffered losses in revenue, while the healthcare industry reported profit gains.[168] Historian Nancy Bristow has argued that the pandemic, when combined with the increasing number of women attending college, contributed to the success of women in the field of nursing. This was due in part to the failure of medical doctors, who were predominantly men, to contain and prevent the illness. Nursing staff, who were mainly women, celebrated the success of their patient care and did not associate the spread of the disease with their work.[169]“A 2020 study found that US cities that implemented early and extensive non-medical measures (quarantine etc.) suffered no additional adverse economic effects due to implementing those measures,[170] when compared with cities that implemented measures late or not at all.[171]”
Incidentally, re: Spanish Flu:
“The first wave of the flu lasted from the first quarter of 1918 and was relatively mild.[31] Mortality rates were not appreciably above normal;[32] in the United States ~75,000 flu-related deaths were reported in the first six months of 1918, compared to ~63,000 deaths during the same time period in 1915.[33] In Madrid, Spain, fewer than 1,000 people died from influenza between May and June 1918.[34] There were no reported quarantines during the first quarter of 1918. However, the first wave caused a significant disruption in the military operations of World War I, with three-quarters of French troops, half the British forces, and over 900,000 German soldiers sick.[35]”
&*(
“The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much more deadly than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. October 1918 was the month with the highest fatality rate of the whole pandemic.[42] In the United States, ~292,000 deaths were reported between September–December 1918, compared to ~26,000 during the same time period in 1915.[33] Copenhagen reported over 60,000 deaths, Holland reported 40,000+ deaths from influenza and acute respiratory disease, Bombay reported ~15,000 deaths in a population of 1.1 million.[43] The 1918 flu pandemic in India was especially deadly, with an estimated 12.5–20 million deaths in the fall months of 1918 alone.[31]”
We don’t know much about this thing yet. But we talk about it as if we do. How human. I know someone who had it. She wasn’t young but she wasn’t ancient. She was very healthy, vigorous, not overweight. She spent a month fighting it. It was awful. Two months after coming down sick, she still has lingering symptoms. No, this doesn’t mean we should lock em up nor does it mean we shouldn’t. But it’s not something I would dismiss out of hand as being exaggerated and that’s that. It’s not a political entity. It’s a virus. It doesn’t vote.
@ Mr. House
Your old man is a very small sample by which to say Y2K wasn’t real/didn’t happen. The reality of the problem is not removed by the fact that the usual ten %ers tried to make money off the problem outside its primary realm (large inter-woven legacy software).
Also, I wrote @ Huskynut in my post above when I meant @ Mr. House. Oops.
@ Huskynut
I scare ’em off with a simple: “I don’t vote.” I look at them like they’re nuts as I say it.
@ Huskynut:
To be sure: I don’t see any authority dealing with covid competently or even sanely. Whether covid is not that bad or is a doozy, I can’t say. But the same ambiguity applies to political interpretations of covid: is it something intended to foster a New World Order? Or just some shit that happened to governments too bloated to do anything but hinder even if they are trying to help?
I see this: China locked down a major city, even some provinces, iirc. Got everyone’s attention. Things happened after that. As I understand the current situation, China has covid under solid control and is focusing on furthering their ongoing national agenda. Everyone else, except maybe Russia, is freaking out while taking teensy, often contradictory measures to deal with whatever covid is/isn’t. No one is copying China although it is the epicenter for reactions to covid and has had the most success with reducing its spread.
Charles Hugh Smith’s article today at Of Two Minds decribes how in totalitarian societies, EVERYTHING is politicized.
How does this happen? I believe that part of how that happens is shown here on TAE: everyone seems to want to view a virus through political lenses. In the process, justifying political oversight of covid responses is strengthened. When everything is deemed to be a political conspiracy, political conspiracies achieve heightened credibility and acceptance. People pile on to fight for/against this/that conspiracy. (Witness BLM vs Proud Boy activity.) Lenin would love it.
The fact that a mere exotic flu has stupefied entire nations tells us that entire nations were already brain-dead and ready to falter.
@ Mr. House
Y2K was a genuine problem solved by the global availability of cheap code monkeys to fix the problem. Whatever the FED did because of Y2K is whatever the FED did; the FED did not cause Y2K.
I looked it up.
@ Dr. D
“I don’t know where they get this since every poor person I see is fat as h—l.”
You’ve never seen a real poor person, then. Maybe it’s that high horse you ride on. From up there, maybe the only poor people you can see are the super-large ones. But it’s not that calories are hard to come by in the USA. Housing, etc., are what are so costly these days, although food costs are rapidly catching up.
^&*
@ Mr. House
“The low number of deaths will be pointed to as a success for lockdowns and eliminating civil liberties.”
It is more likely that a low number of deaths will be viewed as you view it. People will say that covid was bullshit and that we were lied to. For comparison: Y2K was fixed in time for it not to be catastrophic, but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a potentially major catastrophe… if left untreated. The problem with successful predictive problem-solving is that the solving of the problem tends to make the problem appear in retrospect to have been exaggerated.
We have many thousands of nukes, allegedly capable of wiping out billions of people and maybe creating a “nuclear winter”, but we have only managed to kill a pitiful 129-226K* according to official estimates. (*Hiroshima Nagasaki)
That doesn’t mean that nukes aren’t a major threat, nor does the short-term view we have of covid today mean that the threat is as big as some say or as small as others say. We simply don’t know yet. But it makes great political hay for folks from powerful elites to the homeless guy muttering into his blanket after losing his iffy waiter job. We are being exploited, yes, as always. But that’s normal. I doubt very much that this foray into lockdowns and various civil liberty reductions will provide popular justification for more of the same. The civil unrest I see at large says otherwise.
The stuff you mentioned follows. By the time a thing becomes a cause celbre, the war the cause is supposed to win is already over. It becomes another fad. Fads grow unconmmonly large during times of desparir and collapse. Politicians exploit them because politics is the art of exploitation.
But it’s my bad: I thought that “gender reveal” referred to teens/young adults declaring their chosen gender identity regardless of their body genetics. Wonky enough, but it gets worse. “Baby showers, a traditional prenatal celebration, have some key differences with gender-reveal parties. Primarily, the focus on gender-reveal parties is fetal sex,…” (from the wiki on gender reveal party). Fetal sex? Are these Satanists or something? 😉
Jeffrey Epstein rolls over in his grave.
News is better mis-interpreted these days. 😉 The real thing makes no sense any more.
Sweden’s covid problems won’t kick in until winter drives people indoors. In summer, Sweden hardly uses AC compared to most Western nations. Restaurants etc. ventilate more gently than elsewhere. Not so dry that way. Not so much recycling same air. Sweden’s climate is fairly humid, being a coastal nation. Gobs of sunshine and very long days. People tend to go into the woods a lot. Kind of a natural social distancing except regarding extended family.
Winter is reverse of all that. Prime flu conditions. We’ll see what kind of herd immunity they have then.
#1 Rule of Politics: humans cannot manage their own affairs so they attempt to manage those of others. Once upon a time, there were places where humans capable of self-management could go to get away from the managing horde. Not any more.
*&^
“Gender reveal” is liberal backlash. Conservatives fought against gay rights. They lost. Now that liberals dominate the issue, they respond in kind. They don’t know what they’re doing any more than the conservatives did, and plain old queers will get double-shafted in the end. Not as much fun as it may sound to some of us.
If you look closely at the seesaw, it’s a variation on sit’n’spin. Not to be confused with sin’n’spit although there is ample overlap.
I’ve had zero deaths for 569 months. I’m still going to die. Not sure what near-zero means. Ten zillion is more near zero than ten gazillion. One is the loneliest number.
!@#
“In this world where people move around as much as they do, how do you stop Covid from reasserting itself once the lockdown ends?”
While everyone believes China’s covid stats are at least a little bit BS, it is obvious that they’ve achieved something like this. Consistent messaging from central authority, major enforced lockdowns, and testing testing testing seem to be why this is so.
&*(
Great link, Arttua.
Months of reading sites like this have convinced me that people really believe they understand something as chaotic and invisible as a swarm of capitalistically McDonaldized pathogens that have to hide inside our bodies to survive. Bold claims are made between brash refutations.
Meanwhile, we have flagellants on the left, denialists on the right, both claiming to know the proper spin vectors to avoid being sucked into the black hole of the center where political failure is the driving force.
It seems that one shouldn’t waste one’s time on any one’s political opinions. Even those whose main reputation is based on writing highly accurate books of political analysis. Chomsky, for example.
Spin-dizzies. Pinhole cameras. Shit hit fan, shit everywhere.
“COVID-19 in South Dakota: 66 new positive cases; Death toll rises to 162; Active cases at 1,513
CORONAVIRUS by: KELOLAND News”
