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  • in reply to: Debt Rattle October 4 2024 #170478
    Noirette
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    Re. Will Trump make it to the election? By Kim Rickards.

    OK article as ‘blanket’ commentary on what is touted on the MSM, allowed info, or ‘as of now’, accepted, supposedly, attested to, etc. Maybe not useful… What actually went down at the Butler Rally is not touched on.

    The T. Carlson vid – ‘Jack Poso’ doesn’t (imho) offer any new information, clues, insights, whatsoever, it is a ‘paste this and that’ together with hyped dramatic impact, anguished screams, jagged images > a scary !! mash-up.

    How to come to a more accurate account…. of what went down in Butler…more later or in some days…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 27 2024 #169869
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    Robert Redfield (from post up top > Zero Hedge):

    “We know chronic disease is more than 75 percent of the country’s $4 trillion annual health care expenditure. Unfortunately, we have become a sick nation. We’re paying too much for chronic disease, and this must change. It’s time to make America healthy again.”
     
    https://tinyurl.com/bdrydnps

    Note in the Booby Kennedy vid in a prev. thread, he quotes Cov-19 vaccination rates re Haiti (under 2%) and the USA (87%) and sort-of compares ‘Covid times’ deaths (13 p.million in Haiti to 300 in the USA) to then conclude that Americans died of Covid because they are ‘sick’ – with diabetes, obesity etc. just as the CDC said (which he quotes.)

    And he is anti-vax? Was I missing something there? Just an ‘extract’ which does not give the full story or is somehow misleading?

    Redfield mentions ‘agency capture’ – Fed agencies that ‘regulate’ being ‘captured by Corps’ – well that is a step in the right direction, it points to ‘over-Gvmt’ (too much legislative + advisory power concentrated on a small node) combined with ‘subservient Gvmt’, aka a circle of *Corruption* between Gvmt. and Corps. It hints, suggests, that some ‘re-arrangement’ is needed. Yes…

    But then what?

    How to create it, in function of what ideals, principles, guiding lines?

    Crickets.

    Trump and Kennedy may have some plans, I of course don’t know about that. But it looks very much like “Make America Healthy Again” is a kind of feeble offshoot of MAGA, which is in itself merely a rallying slogan.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 23 2024 #169576
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    22 Sept. 2024.

    UK Labour Party managers blocked the words “genocide” and “apartheid” in reference to Israel’s conduct against Palestinians from being used in brochures at a side event during its annual conference in Liverpool. 

    (…)

    The conference’s start was marked by pro-Palestine protests as over 15,000 people marched through the city on Saturday to express their opposition to Britain selling arms to Israel amid its ongoing siege and bombardment of Gaza. 

    https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/uk-labour-bans-words-genocide-and-apartheid-conference-literature-amid-protests

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 23 2024 #169556
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    If Kamala Harris wins, she will push the U.S. towards communism, making things worse than Communist countries like North Korea or East Germany. – Elon Musk (from top post.)

    A neat quote because it shows the inversion, or just plain all-out crazed propaganda today in the US, which is completely divorced from any true ‘policy’ issues and the will, capacity, allowance, to implement them.

    A BizMan, Trump, is for protectionist tarifs, and pouring money into re-industrialisation.

    So he is a Statist – he isn’t talkin’ about entrepreneurship, new money makin’ schemes, liberalising legislation, etc. – he *seems* to be on the side of the workers – > So, he is the potential ‘Communist’ ..

    DT has never talked about nationalisation of Corps afaik. But if he wants to control food prices that is the only way, though it can be done avoiding the dreaded ‘nationalisation’ label with input – output (of material goods) and exchange controls.

    SKamala spews word salad (as one link at top shows) but the ‘aspirational BS’ is economically divorced from reality, it is Kumbaya, but very close to —under the radar— push for a globalist agenda, a control by global elites / and or / Top Corps. Not Communist.

    In fine, the whole Pol. Scene with Trump vs. Harris is a kind of Mad distraction, a show to provoke hate, stress, strife… with all economic and political issues just junked.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 22 2024 #169461
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    Prev. posts on Switz.

    = Ban on joining milit. NATO exercises = from RT

    https://tinyurl.com/4w43ukw2

    This is a serious development, very worrisome, and highly indicative of a voluntary abandonment of neutrality.

    = CH to expel hundreds of Russian Scientists =

    https://swentr.site/news/604402-switzerland-expel-russian-scientists/

    This is about CERN (Centre Européen de Recherche Nucléaire), which is geographically in CH and France, but is administered in CH. It is an International Organisation, and run by a ‘Council’ of its members. It’s decision to stop collaboration with Russia (which took a long time to be voted, implemented, following the ‘invasion’ of UKR, and in any case is only partial, as some collab. will not only continue via JINR, but will be expanded..see link in F, for ex.) A 2/3 majority is needed to exclude some x entity, and that was reached.

    https://tinyurl.com/5n8w64pe

    In eng. – a mealy-mouthed communiqué from March 2022.

    https://home.cern/news/news/cern/cern-council-responds-russian-invasion-ukraine

    It has nothing to do with the CH Gvmt. which could, potentially, close CERN down, in the same way that NY State? / the Fed. US Gvmt. could force the UN headquarters in NY to close.

    Scientist published many screeds about their oppo to such measures. Russians are ‘top’ in Nuke Research (see similarly Space Explor./ in collab. with the USA), and Russia / CH have had v.good relations for a long time. Plus, Russia contributed large dollaris amounts to CERN. Result: CERN is now ‘missing’ about 40 million CHF to ‘update’ existing structures, etc., it has been weakened, etc.

    The “400” (inflated no. imho) employees will not be ‘expelled’. Some will loose their jobs, have their ‘contract’ terminated, and will go on to be hired elsewhere, bang off. Some will have to leave as they have no new ‘job’ and were under ‘temp’ status, and be hired right back in Russia/Belarus, etc. Some will get unemployment pay, spouse works in CH or F, want to stay, get a new job. Some will be re-hired at CERN under a different ‘contract, umbrella.’ Some will use their 2nd passport to fall out of R stats. Some will retire…etc. Such events are not that unusual.

    CH gave up its neutrality when it imposed sanctions (outside of UN mandated ones) on Russia, Feb. 2022.

    Yes CH is an insignificant postage stamp country, but wherever one is, it is important to understand what is really going on.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2024 #169390
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    Yeah..my parents said know… and the ‘second’ assassination attempt by the screw-loose Routh hiding in the bushes on the golf course is very convenient, as it is ‘new drama’ that shifts attention away from the first, carefully and well planned (though ultimately failed) attempt.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 21 2024 #169389
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    On, vid prev. post.

    “Something stinks about the first Trump assassination attempt, and Joe Rogan and Matt Walsh can smell it.”

    https://tinyurl.com/rppd8vcs

    This is typical shoddy obfuscating blather, repeating ‘memes, factoids’ with no serious investigation, analysis, known elements or ‘facts’, summaries.

    It is like a 1930 gossip column, we heard Gladys was on the train at the same time! as Alan, the Lord, and she lost her suitcase, Gwendolyn was on the spot and the Lovers could not.. 🙂

    The shooter’s apartment was found professionally cleaned, with no silverware.

    Crooks live with his parents and there was no disturbance in his home. (Besides the fact that he may have left on the day with his father’s gun.) Where the ‘no silverware’ comes from is a mystery, in any case it would be irrelevant.

    A phone connected to the shooter was tracked moving between the FBI office and the shooter’s location multiple times.

    This rumor comes about because of some ‘tracking’ of some ‘persons’ phone which supposedly went from and to – some place near to an FBI office in Washington — and near to the Crooks residence. Lacking solid info, this is completely fanciful nonsense.

    Crooks came to the event with a rangefinder and nobody seemed to care. You have two reasons for a rangefinder: you’re trying to shoot something. Or you’re using it for golf. If you’re not playing golf, then you’re trying to shoot something.

    No. Crooks was stopped and checked and the fact he had a range finder was noted (so goes one version of events.) He was let in (in the morning afaik), of course at the time he had no backpack with gun. (He only got the backpack a few minutes before climbing on the roof.)

    Crooks was treated as a vaguely ‘suspicious’ person right from the start, either not seriously as in the usual run of things, ‘gotta do our job’ or because he was supposed to be ‘noticed’ but not apprehended, there was no cause.

    The shooter’s body was quickly cremated. No toxicology examination was released, leaving questions about possible drugs in the shooter’s system.

    Yes and yes, though drugs are not an issue here.

    So this guy, somehow or another, figures out how to get on the roof, take these shots. And then they k*ll him. Now, if he shot and hit Trump. If Trump didn’t turn his head at that pivotal moment where they talk about it and it’s a headshot, Trump is dead, the world’s in chaos, Rogan remarked.

    Maybe, sort of.

    (IMHO) The first three shots, 1, 2, 3. were shot by an expert shooter.

    Shot 1 grazed DT’s ear – the bad miss, the disaster.

    (The vital shot(s) would never have been left to Crooks, too many things could have gone wrong. Crooks is the stand-in, the patsy.)

    Shots 4,5,6,7,8 were, most likely, but not surely, from Crooks on the roof. They go rat-tat-tat, high speed, nervous..

    Note that these shots, aimed towards the podium, could not have been aimed at Trump, as Trump ducks down right after shot 3 (almost at the same time.)

    Whoever shot 4-8 was not aiming at Trump, he was no longer visible.

    This is a point many seem to have missed.

    Imho Crooks was told to shoot ‘when you hear the first shots’ or something like that. So he shoots in the general direction and kills Corey C. (and maybe wounds the two others, Idk.)

    Shots 9 and 10 were aimed at Crooks. Shot 9 was reportedly by a Butler swat-team guy, who hits Crook’s gun, which explains why it was found far away from him on the roof. Shot 10 by the Sniper Team on the Barn Roof who reportedly killed him. Crooks though was shot in the head from behind, so hard to judge, did he turn around etc. It is very possible imho that the Sniper Barn Roof team did not shoot at all.

    Rogan et al. are playing the same games as pols, narrative spins…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 17 2024 #169082
    Noirette
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    On Martin Jay re. 9/11. Prev. thread.

    9/11: The American illness which still has no cure

    9/11, now 23rd anniversary, is a time marker where it became evident to many (others understood it before) that Gvmt./ MSM media narratives, spin / enforced by top figures in Gvmt. – Corps – plus Others at decisionary nodes, information nodes (even out of MSM) dominate effectively, smoothly.

    Scary fanciful narratives can be plugged, enforced, with alramist hype, etc. Groups in cahoots (including a ‘vital’ outpost, Is-ra-el) can just ‘do it’ and the ‘narrative’ is imposed, even for such an strange, extraordinary, event, as 9/11.

    Questioning the story, like the Architects xxx for 9/11 truth do, they are allowed to ‘publish’, ‘have a platform’ (journals, etc.) but remain ‘marginal’..

    Anyone who seeks any position of even minor power has to show allegiance to the story of the Evil Bin Laden and Murderous Muslim Terrorist with box cutters bringing down Huge Buildings etc.

    Like a cult, an imposed ‘fakey’ religion.

    Almost everyone knows it is nonsense.

    What is interesting though is that right aftrer 9/11 Putin supported the US’ anti-terrorist moves (maybe Thchenia happenings played a role)…

    From Chatham house.

    For Vladimir Putin, the atrocity of 9/11 meant that the United States now needed Russia. Putin was reportedly the first foreign leader to call George W. Bush afterwards, and subsequently facilitated US access to bases in Central Asia without a formal quid pro quo.

    The ‘9/11 moment’ in bilateral relations was very short-lived with Russia disappointed that the US did not, even in time, give more in return. The episode is a reminder that, at least at one time, Putin was open to a strong partnership with the US that respected Russia’s ‘cardinal interests’ – Russian pre-eminence in ‘former Soviet space’.

    https://www.chathamhouse.org/events/all/members-event/911-and-us-russia-relations

    in reply to: Good Dog Bad Dog #168990
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    zerosum, I live in CH. My post about the US Pres. Election was just my opinion from far off in response to WES.

    Imho the last Pres. election in the US was ‘manipulated’, stolen if you will, to put Biden in the top slot, knocking out Trump. (Not outlandish, exceptional, recalling ‘hanging chads’, too funny.. see all dodgy elections..)

    Most likely, this will happen AGAIN with candidate Kakala as super ‘brown person’ gleefully cackling, a legacy or stand-in for the BidAdmin. Engineered by some more varied cheat mechanisms. Idk what, how…

    In any case, imho, it doesn’t matter much, these ppl are figureheads, in hock, subservience, to their financiers, Big Corps, etc.

    Foreign policy differences are always put forward and milked to the hilt.

    Both candidates, their VPs, supporters, etc. all agree on Israel killing, getting rid of all Palestinians in Gaza and the W Bank (not stated openly, will take some more time..) as do weak challengers like R. Kennedy Junior, who are even more rabid on this point…

    Trump says he wants an end to the UKR conflict and that he could fix it pronto. Harris supports UKR (in its proxy and ordered war against Russia) more strongly than Biden, as far as I can make out.

    What will change re. UKR in case one or the other is elected? Imho nothing. The \war/ is run by others behind the scenes.

    in reply to: Good Dog Bad Dog #168920
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    WES posted, prev. thread. re. US elect.

    I think the deep state has greatly increased the “cheat” margin for the 2024 November election from the 2020 election to between 20 million and 40 million, and maybe even higher.
    They have achieved this via open borders and weaponizing all federal agencies to automatically register everyone to vote they have encountered since 2020. 
For example, all non-American green card holders are registered to vote.

    YES…..The ‘immigrant green card’ / illegal / paid / ‘bussed’, vote counts for a lot, afaik. Long time tradition in the US, emp. on the ‘paid’ votes. Estimatin’ the %, difficult…I may be way off the mark…

    Then there are the computer manpulations. How it is done idk, easy to implement I guess, what counts is how efficiently / stealthily it is carried out, and what happens afterwards.

    If it is known that any challenge will be rejected via ‘law fare’, it goes ahead. (See after BidAdmin election.)

    Harris is certainly behaving like she has been assured…

    THE FIX IS IN.

    The ‘We are a democracy – Save democracy’ blah is just a charade, fairy tales for the audience, who are now being driven into a cult-like corrals to support one figure or another.

    Absent any political prospective considerations re. e.g. energy, employment, health care, agri. management, schooling, foreign policy…what happens next?

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 13 2024 #168867
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    WES posted: (US elect.)

    The only question unanswered is how the deep state will steal the election.

    Yes. After some % of votes favoring Trump exceeds the ‘cheat’ scheme it becomes difficult. Then what happens, idk. The last election was (imho) won by Trump but manipulated, the Trump margin was not high enough. (Has to be, guessing 60 % or more.) That kind of move will happen again.

    Chart shows voters for XYZ, incl. non voters.

    https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Ft7tvunm1wfhd1.png

    Note, the non-voter % in 2020 was lowered to incredible figures, a clear sign of manipulation. (Imho.)

    US Pres. elections are a big show, and now openly don’t correspond to any ‘political’ preferences, opinions — Dems, Reps, Indies, etc. no longer can count on ‘tribes’ thought they pretend they still can, do.

    For ex. Cheney (who used to be loathed by the Dems) now supports Kakala. Those taking power (Mega Corps) are not bothering any longer with PR moves based on ‘pol. parties.’

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 12 2024 #168798
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    Back to Pavel Durov (link at top post from RT.)

    No news from F authorities, or him, which is normal, strife going on behind the scenes.

    Durov has hired a well-known Jewish lawyer. Bail was 5 million euros. (MSM, RT.)

    Yes, the complaint was a blueprint of a kind, as no perpetrators, suspects or any other entity, and no victims (temporarily judged to be so) were named, which in itself is very unusual.

    The ‘charge’ could fit any top person from any social media. As the RT article also sort of says.

    I’m now quite sure Macron knew nothing about the pending arrest. The complaint was brought up first by Judge X following a complaint from the OFMIN => Protecting Minors agency.

    (RT has a different descr. – generalities about cyber criminals – but that comes from a Gen. Porsecutor in Paris, Beccuau, who is making blanket remarks.)

    Macron’s statement, justifiying giving Paul du Rove a F passport, and declaring F has an independent judiciary are more or less ‘correct’ – Macron is in deep trouble, which in part explains why various anti-Macron actions, spearheads, etc. are happening. Manu’s statement sounds very self-defensive. (Macron tried hard to get F up into ‘we are the new tech scene’ .. Superior to the clumsy Germans with their pollutin’ industry, etc.)

    Looking at Pavel’s Instagram, as not inscribed, I can only see the first two pages, all of them feature photos of only him, in various stages of dress / undress, posing in front of various backgrounds. No GFs, no kiddos, no biz partners, no food, no spectacular scenery, no glorious sunsets …

    He is a kind of self-made, deliberately constructed, Icon of the Internet. Of course there is nothing wrong with that. Over time, it has made him an enemy for some, and idol for others, and complicates life…At some point in time, a W hero, as “Putin shut down the free-speech VKontakte” and then a dangerous cyber mogul, as allowing images of genocide in Isr., Ukr, etc.

    His private life is also assailed by one arrest warrant (CH), but that has not much to do with ‘free speech’, except that some may want to profit from an attack on him.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 11 2024 #168729
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    Demand for Justice: World Council for Health urges the immediate release of Dr. Reiner Füellmich

    “The international human rights community is demanding the immediate release of Dr. Reiner Füellmich, a lawyer and prominent critic of COVID-19 measures, who has been incarcerated since October 2023.”

    Sept. 10, 2024, quote:

    The international human rights community is rallying to demand the immediate release of Dr. Reiner Füellmich, a lawyer from Germany who has been in pre-trial detention for over 10 months. Arrested under dubious circumstances at Frankfurt Airport on October 13, 2023, Dr. Füellmich’s case has raised serious concerns regarding the legality of his detention and the integrity of the judicial process. Of the initial 18 charges made against Füellmich, only one remains regarding personal loans.

    https://worldcouncilforhealth.substack.com/p/demand-for-justice-world-council

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 10 2024 #168725
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    John Day posted ‘news’ –

    UAE Vaccinated 460,000 Children in Gaza Against Polio – Reports (“Live-attenuated-virus” oral Polio vaccine has become the leading cause of Polio in recent decades.)

    What the last sentence means is another story, not for now…

    Hmm? While many children in Gaza have lost parents, family members, sometimes all of them, their homes, their schools, their toys, their friends, any security whatsoever, even lost some of their limbs, not to mention *all those who have been killed outright?*

    And the survivors are desperately hungry and dirty, scrabbling about (lack of water)?

    Vaccinating them against Polio is somehow a priority or something to report positively about? Hmm.. so there are still about half a million live children in Gaza?

    (Not crit. of Dr. Day, my comment on a ‘report’)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2024 #168582
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    On: China bans foreignors from adopting its children (at top post), link:

    https://swentr.site/news/603688-china-children-adoption-foreigners-ban/

    Russia stopped international adoptions of its children (Russki babies, kiddos were v. popular in the US as they are mostly ‘white’ and ‘cute’..) in 2012.

    On January 1st, 2012 Vladimir Putin, the President of Russia, signed through the Russian Parliament a law that stated that people foreign to Russia were no longer allowed to adopt Russian children. No one knows the real reason why the Russian Parliament made this decision….

    Russia Bans Foreign Adoption

    Jan 2013. Specifically mentions US citizens.

    — Russian Federal law No 272-FZ remains in place banning the adoption of Russian children by U.S. citizens. —

    https://ru.usembassy.gov/u-s-citizen-services/child-family-matters/adoption/

    ‘Reuters Investigates’ published a report in 2013, a must read, imho only scratched the surface.

    It was read world-wide, alarmed many. Basically, it lifts part of the veil of what happens to adopted – ‘sent away’ – and other – children in the USA.

    Title: The Child Exchange. Inside America’s underground market for adopted children.

    https://www.reuters.com/investigates/adoption/#article/part1

    It includes for ex. A look at the kids offered on a Yahoo group.

    Why, how Reuters came to publish this, after at least some investigation, Idk.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 9 2024 #168571
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    prev. thread. zerosum, thx, yes. The K. Harris site is simply begging for money…

    Performers sell tickets, then offer a ‘show’ with singing, acting, jumping about, music, fireworks, etc., K. Harris is selling what? Obama’s hopiness was bad enough, this is the PITS.

    Her word-salad delusional garbled nonsense is worse than Biden’s angry confused hateful BS, at least with Biden one can guess what is behind it all – on some occasions – ..

    I posted before about the end of the pretense of Two Parties Opposing Each Other in the USA. (> first article at top post.) That is now finito, and all showiness of offering ppl a ‘management team’ who has ‘the best interests of US citizens’ at heart, in way D as opposed to way R, is fantasy, all that is left of the shreds of the pretense at ‘democracy’ is a kind of cult-like ambiance, love her / him, support her / him, etc.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 8 2024 #168514
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    Liz + Dick Cheney (article at top re. Dick) supporting Kakala is a powerful sign.

    The facade of two opposing ‘political parties who represent some segment of the ppl’ – is Finito.

    Along the similar lines, Trump was a Dem. all his life afaik, until he reckoned he could beat the hated w / b – itch Killary.

    Recently, Trump is publically supported by arch-Dem figures, ex. the moderate patriotic lovely looking Tulsi Gabbard, plus a descendant of the Kennedy line.

    So the US, via manipulated ‘fraction’ opinions, propaganda (from all sides) shows the terminal collapse of political parties vying for control via the vote on any pol. / econo. / social issues.

    ‘Love the leader’, ‘support Da Man’, show your allegiance type atmosphere for ‘our champion’ rah rah, is all that is left.

    Much like some recent events in South America.

    What about policy papers, proposals? The K. Harris site had no policy prop. of any kind on it for months, only slogans, publicity, and begging for money. Did that change? Idk, here is the site on 8 sept …I couldn’t read it now, have to go cook etc.

    https://kamalaharris.com/

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 4 2024 #168202
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    Dr. D Rich, compliments in a prev. thread, yes, heh 🙂 🙂

    More on Durov. from link at top, RT:

    Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said over the weekend that Moscow also had issues with the Telegram CEO in the past, but – unlike Paris – never tried to arrest him.

    True, Moscow gave him the choice to leave Russia if not complying to R demands, which he did. (See my prev. posts on this matter.)

    However, since about 2 years (or more ?) Durov was making ‘peace’ with Russia again, idk how exactly, but visiting it often, meeting ppl. – He never gave up his R. passport.

    => This case is important as it concerns internet ‘free speech’ / censorship in the world.

    In F, this is what went down, roughly. Dates 2024. Much more could be speculated on.

    — 8 July. A “Judge of Instruction”, that is, a Judge who in F, can open an Enquiry on anyone / any matter, just off his own bat, did so.

    same day. The F PM Attal tendered his resignation to Macron, who did not accept it. (Macron did so 10 days or so later.) Not that the events are directly relaated – but Macron was super busy.

    The ‘complaint’ by the “Juge d’instruction” did not name any victims, any ‘perps’, or any suspects. Merely, ‘nefarious, bad’ actions, were taking place.

    Both from a common-sense pov and legality in F, this isn’t crazy, or contrived, but it is *ODD.*

    — Nefarious acts going on, complaining victims or suspected perps not tracked etc., that nevertheless have to be investigated, is legit. —

    Complaint against Durov from the Proc. (aka Top Judiciary) of the Republic, is here, 26 Aug. Scroll down for Eng.

    https://www.tribunal-de-paris.justice.fr/sites/default/files/2024-08/2024-08-26%20-%20CP%20TELEGRAM%20.pdf?ref=platformer.news

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 2 2024 #168148
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    1st link at top post.

    Florian Phillipot is an ex-buddy and right-hand-man of Marine Le Pen. They split, idk why, tiresome. He now runs a Youtube thingie under the mast of a ZERO influence party / person.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Patriots_(France)

    Pavel Durov’s life is not in danger, imho quite the opposite. He is a multi billionaire with tremendous power and influence. He could censor – junk / other / in Telegram, whatever. Dead(ed), his influence and holdings, those trying to control him, go POOF.

    2nd link, title. *Kremlin ridicules France’s arrest of Durov.*

    A cheap hit, as Durov left Russia after he refused to comply with some Gvmt. demands, strictures, mostly (afaik) to give up identities of … suspect persons, groups… (idk exactly, but the same kind of demands that F, + the US, have put forward.)

    He hot-footed it to, he reckoned or hoped to a more ‘liberal’ landscape in the W, France in first place. Big mistake.

    The Putin Gvmt. let him leave (> UAE, etc. While his brother afaik is still in Russia and managing things? – idk), while in F, he is arrested and kept in ‘detention / interrogation’, without access to accusation(s), for the absolute max time, 4 days.

    How this came about and what follows next, heh, much to be said.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 1 2024 #168011
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    🙂 … What do you like to have for dinner?

    Kakala: Dinner is the evening meal in most of the world, it depends on culture, to us dinner is dinner and we favor a variety a diversity of food, a time to come together and love laughs, be joyful, sustain ourselves, that’s what dinner is all about, it’s a universal need, healthy vegetables, sweet sparkle desserts, we must make dinner, dinner.

    Trump: A hamburger.

    On the finance end: Ukraine has defaulted on its debts. (Not reported in MSM.)

    one article:

    https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/zelenskiy-signs-law-allowing-ukraine-debt-payment-suspension-2024-07-31/

    No surprise, all involved know UKR would never pay back anything.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle September 1 2024 #168003
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    On the Pavel Durov affair, links at TAE, Aug 31.

    In his F passport, Pavel has legally changed his name to Paul du Rove. Weird. OK. it emphasises a trans-nation theme, but heh.

    Macron met with him several times, and was (I suppose) the main mover in granting him an F passport, under the ‘exceptional / emeritus / conditions’, which many would argue were not applicable.

    Macron also tried to convince Pavel to move Telegram headquarters to F. (All reported in MSM.)

    Because Pavel is an epitome of the kind of man Manu admires, idolises, he is young but not too young (Manu despises young ppl and loathes children), he is immensely rich, he is an ‘entrepreneur,’ he is a star of ‘made my way’, with his brother doing much of the scut work, other story.

    A neo-liberal capitalists now worth X billions! A leading figure in the ‘novel – matrix’ world, where industries / trad. capitalism has switched over to controlling behavior models, in contrast to extraction of earth ressources models, paying labor some pittance to keep the plebs on…

    Macron and his ‘team’ use Telegram. To this day.. it works fine, offers great options…

    The ex-PM of F (F at present has no instituted, legitimate Government), E. Borne, tried to stop them doing so, without success. F is in grave disarray, MSM doesn’t report.

    Pavel’s arrest was, now **imho** engineered, 1) by the ‘extreme left’ anti-Macron who do control some aspects of the judicial process in F, hmm, but more likely, 2) by some outside power (country, deep state), who want to stop Telegram reporting and spreading news about genocide in Ukraine and Palestine, with damning images, news, descriptions, etc.

    Macron is in a bad spot, heh, not flash news.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 28 2024 #167705
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    Wonderful imitation of Kakala Harris. short.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 27 2024 #167611
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    ….. quote. “Russia’s a great winter fighter,” Trump told Ryan. “They beat Germany and they beat Napoleon. They’re not easy to beat. And they are a massive military, and Ukraine isn’t. But Ukraine has us giving them a lot of money.”

    > from a link at top.

    Trump got that right. They are ‘great’ Summer Fighters as well. Haven’t even called up conscripts yet.

    I’m not in the US, don’t know much about Musk, but wasn’t he first anti-Trump? Trump was banned on Twatter, and Musk was pro-Palestinian (don’t remember, I might be wrong) but then he suddenly turned fervent – Talmudic – extremist (to put it that way), and made up kissy-kissy with Trump?

    Well-known ‘name’ Dems. (kennedy, gabbard) who were given short shrift by the crazed war-mongering Dem. Corporate Reps, for one reason or another, are now leaving the sinking ship and hoping to join the present – shaky – not instituted for now – power structure.

    Imho, with whatever admin. foreign policy won’t change much. UKR is a failed ‘war’ and will be wound down with some stabs to retain ‘honor’ with lotsa spin. (See Afgh. Lybia, Syria..)
    Internal policies won’t change either, as populist promises will not be implemented / will not work out / have a positive effect / change anything fundamental.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 23 2024 #167216
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    On Secret Service Agents Placed on Leave after Trump. Assassination Attempt

    Looking at some aspects of the Ass. Att. I wondered about the Iconic Photo of Trump raising his fist while shouting FIGHT.

    A well-known photographer took it, sitting in the front row or close, as outlined below. (Why was he there, other qu. – see also CNN and BBC present who prev. never covered Trump meets.)

    https://tinyurl.com/3yt9vcke

    How could, I thought, the SS have propped up Trump, his head to the skies, his fist raised to the heavens (sic), as bullets were fired and grazed him? Hmm…

    This C-Span footage gives a better overall vid. of events. > from 34 min on.

    https://www.c-span.org/video/?536813-1/president-donald-trump-removed-stage-shots-fired-pennsylvania-rally

    It looks like horrific disorder, confusion. The vid is interesting also for the no clear evac. / protec / other plans.

    Not trying to disculpate the SS in any way.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 22 2024 #167099
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    On *Kakala may win*, by Hryce, prev. thread.

    A boost-da-Ka spiel. Beat the drum, newness, lovely lady, Rah Rah, etc.

    KH was nominated to her previous posts, never elected, in the sense of elected vs. some genuine, viable opponents.

    The US Prez. Eee-lection is of a particular type. See, the Electoral College, and the accepted manipulations — Diebold, send-in ballots, illegals voting, vote buying, busing voters, boxes of fake ballots counted at the last minute, and more, Idk..

    The frenzied displays of support for KH, flash Spectacles (fakery there too) signal a fierce attempt to win, a prediction of a kind.

    Foreign policy —> genocide of Palestinians – continuing bashing and baiting the Russian bear, killing innumerable Ukrainians and Russians .. attempting COLOR in Taiwan, taking over the Philippines, fighting on one side in the Sudan, and more — will not differ under KH / DT.

    Internal policies > a slight edging here and there in discourse will change nothing on the ground, or if so, only trivial. Recall Michelle Obama growing veggies in the WH grounds..:)

    Imho. US citizens have been conditioned to believe that tales, narratives, promises, scenarios that project some kind of future, if made by a Star Person (which is why I wrote about Taylor Swift – DT and Kakala are also ‘stars’) should be believed, supported, followed, even revered, yet at the same time! aren’t expected to fight for, work towards, mandate, any real, practical change on the ground. A kind of strange fantasy world…

    Who wins the Prez. will be decided by those behind the scenes, or just left up to chance, because, no matter.

    Another sign of end of the success of (pretend) ‘DEMOCRACY’ in the Collective West.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 20 2024 #166957
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    We are witnessing the end of the ‘democratic’ structures in the so-called West.

    The Kakala vs. Trumpet election is beyond clownish edging over into hysterical madness.

    Ex. An aquaintance of mine, a young woman from S. America who is rich (doesn’t work), a Taylor Swift Fan, travels by plane from CH to the concerts. She was at the Olympics in Paris as well.

    Prev. she told me that all the Fans were eagerly awaiting Swift’s endorsement for a Prez. candidate. I asked her what she would prefer and she said K, but many fans wanted Trump. I asked her how many votes this represented, she said, enough to decide the election.

    Oh, I said.

    Short article 1 below treats the topic of the no. of Swifties ? (back o’ the envelope > who would vote, etc. I can’t do..) Then, Trump is somehow pretending / joking that TS endorses him. 2. Prev. news was that Taylor endorsed Kakala, now that seems to be debunked. 3.

    All MSM.

    https://tinyurl.com/3zujddjd
    https://tinyurl.com/4x47z3rt
    https://tinyurl.com/48btxhet

    This is madness, a kind of terminal slice/n/dice of the population into voting segments, from pop. Cults, appeals to them, strategy.

    Kakala is not a communist / a socialist, I doubt she could even define these terms. She is just a stooge (~ expendable..) for one group within the present struggle for power at the top. Blathering on with ridiculous promises / proposals that are illusory, make no financial sense, and will never be implemented. Trump is not much better, in a way he is an old-fashioned protectionist (tarifs, etc.)

    Both defend (I have read) No Tax on Tips! Rightio! 🙂 Good Job! USA, USA, MAGA, etc.

    *never mind the slave labor wages*

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 15 2024 #166570
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    Phoenix voice wrote, prev. thread.

    So, which is it? Are we ruled by satanists? Are we ruled by powerful Jews? Are both branches in cahoots with each other? Are they two sides of the same coin? Are they diametrically opposed to each other, and we, (“the plebes,”) simply caught up in the maelstrom of their great battles? I don’t want to have anything to do with any of it. It’s a bunch of nonsense masquerading as cosmic reality. If I buy into the “I hate Jews” trope am I actually furthering the cause of the satanists? If I buy into the pizzagate stuff am I supporting the Zionist project?

    Not by Satanists for sure, though the symbolism is used for power-joining-adhering messages in many ways, nor by Zionists (they represent a small factionworld-wide.)

    What we are seeing in recent times, evident in past 15 years or so, now accelerating (past 5, say) is the setting up of a New Order in the ‘West’ (leaving out the role, position, actions, of Russia, China, India..) moving to a New Feudalism, where the ‘plebs’ like you phoenix v. and me, become the no-choice workers, slaves if one wills, of Big Corps, Big Monopolies, Big Conglomerates, via arrangements (deals, etc.) that are run by the Gvmt. Dependent for housing, health-care, etc. with no alternatives….

    Kontrol and profit-seeking to the hilt is the aim, for the oligarchs, the top dogs, their anointed servants and minions, a set of ‘shareholders’ / ‘stakeholders’ – e.g. the top ‘economic’ say 15% (not just in riches but in influence and sitting on control nodes) in the US for ex.

    A common defintion of fascism, the melding of Corporate Power, as in charge or extraction of ressources, transformation, transport, and much more, with the ‘State’, the ‘elected’ by the public figures, who posture on the platform, Yes.

    Viid is of interest. May 2024, an ex.

    While BlackRock veterans run Joe Biden’s Treasury, Donald Trump’s presidential campaign is financed by Wall Street’s highest-paid CEO, of Blackstone, the world’s largest commercial landlord.

    https://tinyurl.com/yx5wrakd

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    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 14 2024 #166348
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    The picture at top post reminded me that German uniforms in WW2 have been subject to much scrutiny and analysis.

    *Real Men Real Style* at Youtube is imho tops, but I’m not the super expert.

    Title, Why were the Nazis so well dressed?

    10 mins gives some of the basics.

    Other vid, why were the Nazis so Stylish, 18 mins.

    https://tinyurl.com/4y6kuymu

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 13 2024 #166278
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    Britain has gone nuts. Besides a completely outdated, ridiculous system of Gvmt (or rather one that favors some elites and seems immovable etc.) economic, social, etc. problems due to various factors (*energy* is one) are swept under the rug.

    Ppl are manipulated to make them concentrate on ‘immigration’ aka throwing ‘ethnic’ / ‘religious’ / ‘nationalist’ / other, considerations out there for ppl to act on.

    — Brexit was accomplished via an anti-immigration spiel.

    Since, re. GB, Europeans have left, not come, to some large degree, immigrants are increasingly from other places, many of them muslims from ex-GB colonies. They have been earning far less than the previous ones, which was one of the Tory aims, cheapER labor.

    In a way, the massive recent immigration (larger than before Brexit) into GB is a reversed colonialism.

    When no longer able to squat ‘away’ territories, an option is to bring the needy, begging, labor, home.

    Then, for ‘humanitarian reasons’ or ‘demographic arguments’ (low birth rate, cheaper to import ppl who survived till 20 and have some, or a lot of education) a rationale is made for the Gvmt. to support, pay for, immigrants to settle in / have housing, health care, etc. / be tolerated, or even favored.

    By whom? Big Biz, Corps, and the Gvmt. itself who all want, or appreciate being able to find, exploit, super cheap labor. (E.g. Gvmt. faltering health services.)

    At this crunch, the GB Gvmt. finds itself in a contradiction. It traditionally supports multi-culti, and thus in first place, Muslims, Islam as a religion, to the point, some say, of ignoring some of their not sins (?) or blatant criminality. At the same time, Starmer, a paid-for Zionist, supports Isr. in its genocide of Palestinians to the hilt.

    So who are the manipulated citizens to attack, demand the removal of, etc.?

    Right-wing terrorists, disgusting fascists, who hate non-white ppl, Jews, ppl of other cultures. Or Islamic radicals, know for perpetrating terrorist attacks, grooming little girls…, denying women their rights, etc.

    Not a way to run a country, when even populist nasty rabble-rousing is in the pits. ( 😉 )

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 9 2024 #165920
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    “Everyone thought it was going to be Shapiro, it turned out not to be Shapiro,” Trump said on Fox News on Wednesday. “I have very little doubt that it was not for the reason we’re talking about. It was because of the fact that he’s Jewish and they think they’re going to offend somebody else.”

    Trump is playing the > I’m the trad. Religious Republican in favor of Isra-hell CARD …too hard.

    Big Mistake. Afaik he was a long-time Dem, in favor of ‘minority’ groups, didn’t he even win an award once for hiring black ppl? He was sorta pals with Jesse Jackson > one of the few things I knew about him before he ran for Prez. Ok, maybe not directly related.

    So Shapiro is Jewish, as is Kabala’s hubbie, her step-children are being brought up in the ‘Jewish faith.’ Trump implies that Kamabla (names her so in a tweet) is afraid of losing the Muslim vote.

    Georgie Junior Bush, imho, won the election due to the slim top-up of Muslim vote with a discourse of ‘for conventional social values’ and ‘peace, respect for religions’ – (9/11 flipped that fast..) (Ok the weight can be discussed.)

    “The Council on American-Islamic Relations, or CAIR, says 78-percent of Muslims who voted in the 2000 presidential election voted for George Bush.”

    Survey Shows Bush Support Drops Among Muslim Voters

    About the same or maybe a bit more % now vote Dem because of the ‘Respect Diversity’, etc.

    Just …Illustrating that when slice-n-dice demographics furnish the base for the ‘appeals’ and ‘fake promises’ Pol. Parties in the US make to ‘communities’ (i.e. different demographic groups, mostly defined by ‘race’ / ‘religion’ / ‘sexual orientation’) to manipulate them to vote for some ‘representative’ thereby obscuring ALL important issues – > Energy, industry, equality, education, social services, foreign policy, military alliances, miitary strength, and more, seems to work fine.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 7 2024 #165778
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    re. Castello, at top post.

    See, it is said that this was the first time that SS snipers were dispatched to a Trump event, as I said before, and then the use of cell phones…etc…

    It was supppsed to be a public execution, his head blown off with both CNN and BBC there to make history with their coverage etc.

    I wonder what DT knows about it. Beyond his thanks to the Great (or whatever) Secret Service, his luck and being saved by God and so on as he claims. I wonder what if anything he will ever say about it in the future.

    Could DT be so naive as to think Crooks (the patsy) was a lone shooter and the SS killed him, and that’s an end to it? I doubt it, NO, but what can Trump say? One guesses that he will participate in the cover-up, he has no choice in the matter.

    What failed? Maybe chance, the ‘shooter’ missed, Trumpy shifted his orange coiffure just in time, etc. That means a lot of planning, manipulation (not expense, this kind of op. is cheap), somehow didn’t … gell… what a Disaster (for the planners.)

    For now, just one scenario, as I imagine it. Crooks was pushed to act ‘suspicious’ but not too ‘crazy’ to test Security, he was playing a role with promises of payments, he would be followed, covered, and ‘not alone.’ (Tests of ‘security’ are very common.)

    (Imho) Shots 1-3 were from a prof. sniper, the bad miss. No way this plot would have left the first shots to Crooks, so many things could have gone wrong. E.g. Crooks freaks out, flees, or even faints when he understands something – he is apprehended by random Police for whatever and removed – his shooting apparatus is not adequate – he is killed before he shoots – + more.

    What happened next is another story, in a way less important.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 5 2024 #165593
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    Germany Begin Destroying Islamic Mosques Spreading Extremism: How Germany Tackled Immigration Crisis.

    vid 6 mins from ‘Traveller’, July 25, 2024. 6 million views…heh

    https://tinyurl.com/4bk258pm

    Germany corralled and murdered, in the past, ww2, Jews, Romas (Gypsies), Homosexuals (seems everyone has forgotten that, though top guys were exempt), disabled ppl, ill ppl, old ppl.

    Nowadays via COV19, some similar categories were targetted, though that is international, not just Germany.

    Now ‘Islamists’ are a target in Germany.

    The post linked above has 31 K comments in favor (at the time of my viewing), to a-hem ‘crack down’ on Islamist, Terrorists, ban Muslims, good job Germany, kill Islamic extremists, All Western countries are under threat, against our democracies, hoping America wakes up, etc. etc.

    ‘Take your Country Back’ has 30K Likes, just one ex. of a comment.

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    re. 1st article at top, by Moore, re. Biden.

    When he departs the White House in the months ahead he will leave the nation poorer, weaker, more divided, more in debt, more vulnerable, and less respected than when he entered office.

    We are witnessing the breakdown of the W ‘Empire’ and it ain’t going down gracefully, imho it will move to self-destruction, as Elites like to think they can manage crowds / nations / billions of ppl via propaganda, media blasts, coercion, orders (ex. COV19), financial high-jinks, etc. etc.

    Hoping they – as a priviliged group – can ‘win’ – that their ‘faction’, their ‘vision’ of the future, set in this or that country, is inescapably correct, righteous, and must be implemented, ’defended’… e.g. like at the WEF, which is just a feel-good forum for ignorant aspirants climbing the ladder to attain some advantages. And then onto …Ruin…

    Moore, OK… but what are the causes? Energy Crunch in first place, incapacity to deal with problems of any kind, at any level, massive corruption (Corporates, lobbying), rampant profiteering at many levels (eg. Big Pharma).

    Who is US Pres. changes little, except for some redistribution of skimming / sending tax payer monies here or there – which is of course not just sweet millions pocket money, but fantastic sums.

    Hoisting a lame duck, not to say a hated ****, like Kakala, into a top position, is so obviously a totally stupid move, one wonders .. either they can’t even read polls, or they are on a suicide mission, or they don’t give a ****, the action is going on elsewhere.

    In Eng. one version of G. Debord’s – The Society of the Spectacle
    .
    http://www.voxfux.com/features/situationists/sos/soschap1.html

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 4 2024 #165508
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    On DT attempted assass, by Jesse Watters (at top), yeah right..

    Ha ha, I have a recommendation for the USSS, the Megaphone! It’s great, works a treat.

    Plus, one A4 sheet maps which is divided into a ‘grid’ with numbers, locations, heh? Distributed to all? – Can be printed cheaply, hundreds of copies, or old style photocopy?

    That keeps the ‘references’ straight between the locals and the parachuted guys, who don’t know much about the terrain, even if they visited it before (which reportedly they didn’t..)

    No ‘proper’ emergency services of any kind relies on text via internet ! Ever !

    — it can go down, or be horribly slow, be subject to ‘review’, censorship, it can be blocked easily

    — typing into text / calling and waiting for a response / etc. takes too much time, distracts from reality

    — mobile phones fail, not re-charged, dropped etc.

    .. Radio is your friend, as it is in real time. Ok, Can be blocked as well.

    So we have counter-snipers, CNN, BBC, present when they would never have bothered normally? And the radio messages weren’t recorded, or didn’t go thru?

    Daily Mail, maybe of some interest.

    https://tinyurl.com/bddaxayj

    Tony Shaffer, on the case

    https://tinyurl.com/mpt3xzr7

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 3 2024 #165462
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    ISR – Palestine Aparthheid.

    The 8 tiers of Isr. Apartheid explained. by Z. Foster, July 19 2024.

    from, Palestine Nexus.

    Treats land – voting rights, segmenting of population.

    Other aspects, such as right to marry, legitimise chilren, have access to health care, are left off / not treated as specific topics, as not within the scope of this summary.

    https://tinyurl.com/4rkzh8sj

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 3 2024 #165440
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    Eoin posted. BTW what’s Plan B for MAGA after Trump is assassinated? Sit on their guns even harder than they already are?

    Imho, there will not be a *public execution of Trump* with smashed head on cam. event or attempt before the election, after the first one, on July 13, failed.

    Note CNN and the BBC were present at the Butler Rally, and they don’t follow Trump rallies, afaik, of course I may be wrong in part / wholly about that.

    Imho, many were alerted something ‘special’ was coming down…

    Those who will go to any lengths to get rid of the Populist Trump (heh not that he is really populist, other discussion), who also provoked this whole mess, by reducing US politics to tribal belongings and social issues (abortions, race, etc.) in order to cover up the real problems, propagandise and brain-wash ppl, will now use more ‘lawfare’ if they can (top ‘law’ institutions can’t afford to loose all power by bowing down to Kontrollers, so are pushing back against that), more smearing, etc. againt Trump.

    Then at EElekshion time they will try to steal the election (like last time, imho Trump did win), and then see what happens, pause, to consider other actions.

    As for MAGA, if the reference is to the Repub. Party, they will support Trump, they have no choice but to go along with him. For sure, many Repubs. loathe him, that can’t be made public, as it threatens everyone’s positions and might bring down the puppet play-book of TWO parties in opposition – so be it.

    If DT dies, they can try to hoist someone else, who will be in a v. weak position, but would be accepted as a ‘successor’ (Vance for ex.) but with far less entusiasm, it might jsut peter out…which is understood by many…

    We are witnessing the break-down of the ‘W’ order or Imperium, the political structure that holds it together. Very interesting.

    (to be clear, of course DT is no ‘savior’ as Eoin writes.)

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 2 2024 #165437
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    Oroboros that was hilarious, and so well done, amazing. It is great seeing the manipulative, calculated, lying ‘Identity Politics’ BS being mocked.

    in reply to: Debt Rattle August 2 2024 #165386
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    Re. Paris Olympics ‘Show’ – 1 at top post, by Koenig.

    These ‘shows’ – opening of tunnels – other – many have been mentioned here, tend to have, since 20 yrs. or so now, ’Satanic’ .. ’Scary’ themes.

    Re. the Olympics, they are also prescient, beyond what could be considered ‘coincidence.’

    London 2012. Featured a long sequence of very ill children in hospital beds in an old fashioned setting, and nurses dancing around. (goog > easy to find.)

    Beijing 2008. Featured a battle between malevolent shapes, Huge Corona viruses, bigger and taller than ppl, and ordinary warriors.

    It was called The Battle of Fire.

    (quick search > O. if I can find will post.)

    The ‘Satanic’ aspect is in part just the Tops and the Media being ‘edgy’, ‘unconventional’. Gotta break boundaries to show your originality, be a rebel, spark shock, wonder, interest etc. – that is the message to some..

    Ex. Madonna, others, see pop groups, etc. One LOW-level expl. which certainly applies to many ppl in show- model- music- media- biz who just think whatever (like covering one eye) is just the new ‘cool’, they are not participating in plots, they are clueless.

    The Olympics Paris ceremony, setting aside the Pale Horse, the countries being on boats (huh?), other, featured the Last Supper Scene (mixed up with Dionysus, God of Revels, feasts, called Bacchus in Rome, etc.) which lead to the +!+!+! outrage around the world. No respect for religion, Jesus, other Religions, etc. etc.

    Hoisting LGTB ‘values’, ‘ppl’, ‘actors’, to occupy front scene – to be accepted as such in society, given concessions, even revered – see the vid of the ceremony – is imho a peculiar mix emerging from ‘capitalistic interests’ and fake ‘equality.’

    The ‘legtimise male homosex’ came from top tier ad agencies, and others who wanted to tap openly into that 10% no-child, got solid money, market. It was not an ‘organic’ movement, it was funded and planned by commercial and ‘get on the scene leader’ interests, imho. (OK, there were other strands, forces, etc. ..)

    The US Gvmt and ‘deep state’ in first place (W countries followed along) saw an opportunity to clarion their ‘equality principles’, their ‘embracing of all differences’, etc. while dissing other foreign ‘racist’, ‘discriminatory’ laws, practices, attitudes, etc.

    – The alliance between USA and KSA..the one country that represses gays the most, even chops their heads off – was natch exempt…

    in reply to: Debt Rattle July 31 2024 #165310
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    Absolutely, top class med care would have fixed a ‘graze’ (ears, nose, head, bleed a lot! ..) of that kind rapidly, with nothing visible in ordinary photos.

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