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> Oroboros. Re. Greta.
Afaik, there was a competition organised in Sweden, through an essay input from ‘all high schools’, the theme was (not exact words), for Ecology, Green Initiatives, that kind of thing. Who organised that Idk exactly and won’t speculate about.
The 5 or so (?) winners all refused to play the role of young person who would devote their life to be some media emblem, giving up whatever they wanted to do (be a great cook, build boats, be a Dr., whatever.) Digging all that up would be hard, so just my recall…
So the Committee turned to the runners-up and found ! Greta !
Her mom is a star, an Opera singer, a pop singer, Malena Ernman. She has been / is (idk) the official SINGER of the Gvmt. She has competed in Eurovision.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malena_Ernman
Her father Svante Thunberg, is an actor, filmaker, etc.
Her sister (younger than her) Beata Ernman / Thunberg has a different career. Just one link, mild..
https://www.instagram.com/beata__music/?hl=en
Her internet presence as a minor, under 18 …. hmm, can’t be posted by me.
Notes on Dr D. mention of *White Rose Society* just above.
Sophie Scholl and the White Rose movement, while less known to Americans, is a powerful example of youthful resistance to the Nazi Regime.
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/sophie-scholl-and-white-rose
Wiki, not too bad? idk.
Dr. Day, thanks for posting that one article about what is going on in the West Bank, this kind of ‘attrition’ cruelty and impunity, Isr. soldiers support the so-called settlers, i.e. outright criminals who just take over land, properties, bulldoze about, destroy, expulse, etc. So what can the Palestinians do?
I have been to Isr. only once, late 90s, and I went all over the W. Bank (not to Gaza) by myself, by public transp., and already at that time while treated as a ‘nice’ tourist, and shown a lot of hospitality etc. by Jewish Israelis, Arab Isrs. and Pals., the atmosphere was heavily poisonous.
A big issue was building/zoning/connection to services laws, which of course favored the ones and excluded the others. Another trope was ‘hygiene’, there was all this hype about Arabs throwing their garbage about, one family told me that the plants grown by them were poisonous and should be eradicated, etc., it was OK to put weed killer on the plants. (Bougainvillas! in this case.) A bar I frequented had two pay scales – well..
… I could go on, just to say that apartheid, discrimination, oppression, denial of services (medical.. terrible..) in the W Bank, escalated and escalated, nobody in the W ever brought this up, it was just accepted. Nothing was done, ever, except to support Isr., and then one comes to the end-game, ethnic cleansing, now open, driect, hyper violent, in Gaza, because of the concentration of pop. there, it really isn’t suprising. In the W Bank, more slowly.
Mr. House wrote: Question for everyone here: What does Israel intend to gain from the current operation? What is the goal?
Depends on how one views the events that lead up to it. Back to 1948, or to some years ago? Say, the Hamas operation Oct. 7 was pre-prepared for at least 3 years ..
Personally, I don’t believe the Hamas attack was the shock everyone is pretending. MSM news even says the Isr. Gvmt was warned by several parties, and excuses made e.g. by Scott Ritter, for not predicting the attack: > too much reliance on AI intelligence, plus, not failure of the Int. services, but of the politicians who aren’t savvy enough, are BS.
There was an element of -> from ‘let events take their course’, to the extreme of ‘it was a false flag’ …
Why? To have an excuse to attack Gaza (not Hamas), in an explosive, violent, way.
Why? Too many answers. Personal: Bibi tries to save his hide, Bibi’s ultra violent Zio cabinet jumps on the oppo (kill Pals, > Greater Israel, see also doings in the W Bank), the Gaza gas fields (potential), which have to be controlled by Isr, general radicalisation, and more.
Imho under the surface a weakening of US power / grip is relevant.
Isr. + the US are in a symbiotic relationship, brothers in all things etc. but one party (as is always the case) holds the upper hand, and that is the US. The US funds, directs, and protects (see UN etc.) Isr. which is the ‘beach head’ of the US in the ME (as RFK J. said recently) and serves to keep the region in conflict, not to mention kill Arabs with impunity, following a mini-me rah-rah murderous colonisalist entreprise .. ..
The US has lost image, power, kudos, and economic supremacy (for various reasons) for some time. Traditional vassals, subservients, break away and ‘do their own thing.’
E.g. MBS, KSA is no longer a buddy-ally of the US. Isr., in a sense, has ‘gone rogue’ and is fighting for its survival in the only way it knows how to, has been enjoined to, via destroying farms, homes, controlling minuscule territories…
Isr. (Gvmt. – milit. – top dogs – Zios -) is reacting blindly and doesn’t have a ‘reasonable’ goal. Their actions might even lead to the cancellation, thre break-up, of Isr. as a “Jewish” state.
Dr. D, I meant French as in (adj./ noun) pertaining to France, the country. I will make sure to use French-speaking for broader meaning..
France.
An ‘allowed site’ – I presume, as has been up for some days – is recruiting French volunteers to the Azov battalion.
Front page says, “Join the camp of the Good”…(lit trans to give flavor)
2nd sentence on the front page states:
“France has already contributed greatly both in support and military assistance to our cause, but it is not enough to gain victory.” (my fast trans)
Follows how to apply, what docs are to be submitted, no experience necessary …. nothing about pay.
(Which I believe to be very high, but can’t show that for now.)
On Dominique de Villepin speeches.
When France refused to join the Coalition of the Willing for invading Iraq, the announcement was made by Villepin, it weas masterful. Underground news / gossip – was that the USuk would not allow Chirac (Pres. of F at the time) to make such an announcement, it had to be some other person, and France complied. To take some of the ‘sting’ off…
Villepin’s first speech on the current matters, here in F, on RMC (MSM) Oct. 27, 2023. 20 mins. (Not about the his latest speech quoted up top, I listened to the first one.)
A translated-print at MOA:
Absolutely masterful interview on Gaza of Dominique De Villepin, former Prime Minister of France, who famously led France's opposition to the Iraq war and who, IMHO is the best diplomat the West has produced in decades.
This is so important, so incredibly well argued, that I… pic.twitter.com/KSSdM4p5Bf
— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) October 28, 2023
excerpt from that:
The Palestinian cause was a political and secular cause. Today we are faced with an Islamist cause, led by Hamas. Obviously, this kind of cause is absolute and allows no form of negotiation. On the Israeli side, there has also been a development. Zionism was secular and political, championed by Theodor Herzl in the late 19th century. It has largely become messianic, biblical today. This means that they too do not want to compromise, and everything that the far-right Israeli government does, continuing to encourage colonization, obviously makes things worse, including since October 7th.
OK, maybe as Dom. sees it, he is navigating complex waters, perhaps doing his best in the hope of some de-escalation ? .. ?
He refuses to address the question of ‘fault’, that is for historians to do … He says ‘we’ (who?) cannot manage as the world’s policeman (correct) and have to accept that Russians can provide (not his words) input, efforts at stability, they must be listened to.
He says:
There is certainly a realistic objective to pursue, which is to eradicate the Hamas leaders who committed this horror. And not to confuse the Palestinians with Hamas, that’s a realistic goal.
He paints the pic of a regional, localised conflict, between ‘some’ parties. Those who commit *horror* aka Hamas (he avoids the wd terrorists) must be *eradicated*! and Pals are not all ‘Hamas’ .. OK.
Sounds very ‘sensible’ yet distracts from, obscures (imho) that for ex. Hamas was supported by Isr, and that the ‘wars’ / ‘crisis’ in Isr. and UKR. are proxy ‘wars’ engineered by USuk, as in UKR, and/or the result of US control, interference, perhaps slipping out of control somewhat.
About Israelis being hyper-jabbed in comp. to Int’l “W countries” stats.
The jab is touted as a privilege, being in the devp. world, amongst those who are ‘tops’, savvy, have good connections, income, or are ‘right thinkers’ etc. Plus, a moral gloss is added, a duty – embrace it to protect others, etc.
Isr. deprived Palestinians of the jab, modern techno wonders could not be offered to the ‘ugly’ ppl who are dirty, nasty, missing teeth, wail in public, have too many children, are potential terrorists, etc.
In fact the WHO chastised Isr. re. the discrimination. (Couldn’t find a link attesting that directly, not surprising…Isr is holy..) here a link that shows the WHO is ‘valiantly’ fighting that kind of discrimination.
Not different from the US jabbing its military, see the Amerithrax scandal and Gulf War Syndrome as one ex.
Three excerpts from Thierry Meyssan’s latest post:
Contrary to what I wrote last week based on dispatches from Western and Arab news agencies filtered by Israeli military censorship, Israel’s attack on October 7, 2023 (operation “Al-Aqsa Flood) “) was not perpetrated by Hamas alone. Its triggering was decided by a unitary operation chamber of the entire Palestinian Resistance. Hamas, which is by far the main component, provided the bulk of the troops, but three other groups participated: Islamic Jihad (Sunni and Khomeinist), the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (Marxist) and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command (PFLP-CG).
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In 2023, Iran hosted talks between the region’s various pro-independence forces, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Hamas. They were held in Beirut (Lebanon) under the presidency of General Ismaïl Qaani, commander of the al-Quds brigades of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Their aim was to reconcile these actors who had fought a ferocious war in Gaza, then in Syria. These meetings were made public in May 2023. On this occasion the Lebanese press discussed the preparation of the unitary operation which was carried out on October 7. Iran is therefore responsible for reconciling the Palestinian factions.
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On October 5, the CIA warned the Mossad of a major operation by the United Palestinian Resistance. The United States was worried about its scale. However, according to the New York Times, the CIA reports (September 28 and October 5), still classified, did not mention the use of new combat techniques by the Palestinian Resistance. Israeli intelligence services then held a meeting to assess the threat. The Shin Bet (counterespionage) and Amman (military intelligence) participated.
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On EU state’s most popular party wants Israeli ambassador expelled. top post.
Re. Ireland. It is not a member of NATO. Neutral in WW2 (could not be on the side of GB, though many individuals joined on that side.)
IR was, is, a keen adherent in the EU, as that represented (imho) belonging somehow to a larger entity.
Of course EU funds and the EU tolerance of exceptionalism re. tax laws, etc. were activated to give Ireland a ‘boost’ if I may call it that helped that adherence along. — Not to mention it created a foothold into the EU with plentiful educated English speakers for hire by Big US Corps like Apple.
Plus, N. I. (GB) vs. Repub. IR conflict was ugly (Peace and Democracy are European values, cheers all round) and had to be stopped or at least contained. (> Blair, Good Friday Agreement.)
Now, inevitably in a way, GB out of the EU, and Ireland keenly in, the calculation comes to a kind of clumsy fruition.
Idk – I’d like to go there and see, talk.
IR was extremely COV19 repressive (as reported by MSM, I have no direct experience) and pro-jibby-jab, right in line with EU endorsement of Big Corps, and other ‘developed’ eng-speaking ‘developed’ countries like Australia and NZ.
Yet, IR retains support and sympathy for oppressed ppls, such as the Palestinians, via Sinn Fein, a ‘nationalist’, ‘for the people party’…
https://vote.sinnfein.ie -> first time I looked at this site – hmmm.
Clare Daly is pretty good.. at the EU parliament. Here just 1 min.
Looking to S. America:
Nov. 2, 2003. UN votes overwhelmingly to condemn US economic embargo on Cuba for 31st year and urge its lifting
“The vote was 187 in favor, with the United States and Israel opposed, and Ukraine abstaining. Somalia, Venezuela and Moldova didn’t vote.”
Non-binding resolutions are a kind of ‘poll’, a thermometer of the zeitgeist.
On ‘Deeper into Depravity’, Patrick Lawrence, 1st link at top post.
This kind of Tik Tok (and other ..?) hate and mockery is rampant, maybe even somehow inevitable.
Israelis (not all …) loathe Palestinians, as animals, vermin to be exterminated, etc.
USuk and the ‘Collective West’ follows along while making mealy-mouthed statement about empty principles or ‘what-about-ism’ etc. > The rules based order, the right to defend oneself, terrorists and evil impersonated vs. innocent victims, lovely children, etc. etc.
So USuk-W, in about 100 or more years, has switched from vilifying Jews as an evil cancer on civilized ‘Society’ (concentration camps, etc.) to stigmatising Arabs / Muslims as ‘aliens’, ‘not quite real ppl’, ‘terrorists,’ though blame is thrown on ‘leaders’ or ‘regimes’ which ostensibly ‘excuses’ the poor oppressed ppl as ignorant, helpless, struggling, and so forth.
Divide to Rule leads to vilification, hatred, prejudice, murderous impulses, spiking anger, war, and acceptance of torture, blanket bombing (Gaza today), etc.
Deliberatly engineered imho.To keep one brand of Hegemony enduring.
re. prev. thread.
kultsommer, yes to “more bold” (media).
Wes, great you are taking my advice about going to concerts seriously!
ha ha 🙂
Cont’d. Besides the Las Vegas shooting, 59 or so dead, in 2015 at the Bataclan in Paris the Eagles of Death Metal were performing, 90 ppl were killed. In England, 2017, the Ariana Grande Concert, 22 ppl died. Wounded not included, many.
The Gvmts, the PTB, Big Corps, the MSM, are uninterested in ‘solving’ these mass murders, they are swept under a carpet. Maybe victim families are paid off in some way, idk.
Israel compiled ‘ethnic cleansing’ plan for Gaza.
“A document leaked to the Sicha Mekomit news site calls on the government to relocate the entire population of Gaza to the Sinai.”
RT. https://www.rt.com/news/586197-israel-gaza-population-removal/.
Not flash news, but MSM (even if on RT) is significant.
Wiki, on the ‘Trance’ – Supernova Sukkot Gathering – music festival, 7 Oct. 2023:
The organizers switched to the site only two days before, after the original location in southern Israel did not work out. (Israel)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%27im_music_festival_massacre
Very strange for a big festival – 2 days?
I was reminded of the Las Vegas shooting at the Harvest Music Festival 2017, the deadliest mass shooting in recent history in the USA, supposedly carried out by lone nut Stephen Paddock (> total BS), and not elucidated to this day, buried.
Just my musings not pointed to any plot in particular, exept that Music Festivals provide an easy oppo for cheaply killing many, usually youngish middle class / rich ppl, in an easy to control way.
The French MSM (Le Figaro) has published an article reporting the ex-PM of Israel, Yair Lapid, saying (on X-Twitter, amongst others) that he personally issued a warning on 20 Sept. about upcoming extreme violence by Hamas, following info he had obtained.
That the docs / info he received were also sent to Bibi N.
Is repeated in the article that Cairo warned Bibi N. several times, and was ignored. Lapid also blasts Bibi N. for blaming the army and the SS (heh, that is Secret Service or Infor. services) in part, for the Hamas attack (8 oct.) Bibi N. hysterically denied these accusations and apologised to the army and SS for being out of line in critisising them.
In F: https://tinyurl.com/ywwbxwnf
It looks like the pro-Isr. narrative is cracking a little, in poodle USuk supporters like France.
I don’t think comparisons between the Hamas attack and 9/11 are of much use (as posted before, while I understand how they come about) yet it is clear that the F MSM is now OK with a “he let it happen on purpose” scenario, which was a common meme or trope re. 9/11.
UKR + ISR ‘wars’
Listened to some commentators such as Col. McGregor, Scott Ritter, Berletic, some other posted in last thread, plus some bloogers (sic. that was a real typo, I was thinking about blood ..?), waltzing around two main interpretations:
1. The US is rudderless, is reactive instead of pro-active, is acting on ‘emotions’, hasn’t measured consequences of its actions, has no clear strategic plans in function of any aims, is living in the world of 1991, can’t possibly fight a war against Iran / Russia / fill it in…etc.
An explanatory variant is: The US PTB are in conflict (ex. neo-con-lib pols against saner heads at the Pentagon..) An over-arching picture is a flight into crazed agression, evident via at-home social degradation, societal breakdown, due to loss of empire / power / control / revenues, etc.
2. The US is just fakey pussy-footing around and escalating each time it can, it has calibrated its actions to lead to the inevitable use of nuclear weapons, the Elites reckon they can survive, WW3 with nukes is upon us. This is the last chance for the US to maintain dominance. (Distilled that pov down to crude basics.)
What are any other povs, analyses, takes?
Brian Berletic and Angelo Giuliano on the state of the world today put forward arguments that paint Israel as a mini-state, with ‘Jews’ and Zionists (making it short) as victims, via the history of setting it up by USuk as a postage stamp patch that would serve as a beach head or aircraft carrier (see one contemporary US pol), be a spear-head against the oil-rich various ‘Arab’ or other (Iran..) states. Failing conquest, the impulse to blow up, rendering the territory useless for all, and killing millions, is strong. More of course in the talk.
Oct 27, 2003. 2 hours.
About the vid. at top Head of the Snake with dramatic blaming of a town in CH, Geneva, by Pascal Najadi.
Some context, see:
Najadi is being treated post ‘Pfizer bio-weapon injections’, says he is terminally ill with auto-immune disease (his mother as well…)
So here we have a Bankster, and movie producer, who was fooled into getting jabbed, and allegedly forced the resignation of the President of the Swiss Federal Council.
The video below shows Andrew Bridgen with Najadi, less than 2 mins, Aug. 2023.
Wiki on Najadi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_Najadi
Interesting times in CH.
Another back to the Past..
A disastrous dead end: the Geneva Accord.
quote (…) Because of the Oslo process, the basis for a viable and minimally fair two-state solution has been completely destroyed. The Israeli “peace camp” and the Palestinian leadership ought to have learned from the calamities they helped bring about and changed their ways. The so-called “Geneva Accord,” an informal agreement prepared by Israelis, led by former Labor Justice Minister Yossi Beilin and other Oslo-era luminaries, and Palestinians close to Yasser Arafat, demonstrates a determination to repeat the tragic errors of the past. (…)
Electronic Intifada, Oct. 2003.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/disastrous-dead-end-geneva-accord/4847
Imho. A 2-state solution was never viable or even serioiusly envisaged by any of the PTB, it was used as sound-sweet fig-leaf in various pol discourses.
Re. top post article Oct. 23. https://tinyurl.com/2p8y7rb5
The Joint ‘W’ statement emphasising the right of Isr. to defend itself against terrorism, and urging it to adhere to int’l law (what a joke), calling for the release of hostages (in fact a minor point, a few hostages in a situation of mass bombing, killing, is trivial .. and Isr. has even refused to accept the return of some hostages – according to some news – the fog of war, so idk..)
As for celebrating the entry of some humanit. aid into Gaza, 10, 20 – 100 or 1000 trucks are completely irrelevant.
2 + million ppl corrralled into a territory where needed inputs, water, food, fuel, all other supplies, are controlled by an outside power who cuts it off, will not be affected at all by the delivery of some baskets of cake mixes, canned tomatoes, corn, beans, band-aids, clothes, diapers, anti-biotics, etc. Cookies come to mind.
Plus. Under bombing, transport can’t be implemented, rubble? Displaced ppl, ppl hiding, seeking shelter, seeking to escape, can’t cook up cake-mixes, right? Children with a leg blasted off don’t need antibiotics if the hopital can’t take them in and treat them…etc.
Guardian 21 Oct. 2023:
The Israeli government has demanded to see proof that the aid deliveries are not seized or diverted by Hamas, before authorising further deliveries. A UN official said on Saturday that “verification procedures are still under discussion.”
USuk + Canada, 3 of the 5 eyes, rightio. The 3 ‘main’ countries of the European Union, France, Germany and Italy, are supporting Israel as lackey bowing down to the US. Not news, how to illustrate, explain, long story.
heh, tinfoilhatted that is a good question -> 🙂 Idk.
John Helmer (not specially a fan, me) lays out Hamas objectives, Oct. 2023, maybe makes some points, quote:
1. Since 1943 the US and its European allies, including Germany (Olaf Scholz’s government, not Adolf Hitler’s), have aimed to liquidate the secular nationalist Arab leadership capable of co-existence with the West and a state for the Jewish people.
2. In Palestine Hamas has studied seventy-five years of lessons on the impossibility of coordinating Arab state war in the defence of the Palestine part of the two-state solution.
3. For more than a year, therefore, Hamas has prepared in well-kept secret an offensive against Israel to achieve five objectives – the first to demonstrate how inferior the Israeli military is, how vulnerable, how incompetent their intelligence on the Arab world. This has been achieved by the initial attack of October 7.
4 . The second Hamas objective has been to demonstrate the Israeli plan of ethnic cleansing of Gaza, genocide against the Arabs, and incorporation of all Israeli-occupied territories in a single theocratic Zionist state — Quod erat demonstrandum. The third objective is to hold out against the expected Israeli counterattack for long enough to activate the Hezbollah forces on the northern Lebanon front; Syrian and Iranian forces on the eastern Golan front; and the West Bank Palestinians, including the Jordanian Palestinians; the latter’s targets will be US air and armoured land force bases in Jordan. So far, so good.
5. The final Hamas objectives are to compel the vacillating sheikhdoms to resist US pressure; limit oil and gas supplies to the enemy markets; prevent regional land base and air transit rights being activated in support of Israel — so far, so good. And lastly, the fifth objective, to engage the friendly nuclear powers – Russia, China – to deter, and if necessary combat US forces in the region and Israel’s threat to fire its nuclear weapons.
MEMO ON THE FINAL SOLUTION FOR ONE STATE – ISRAEL OR PALESTINE
Alastair Crooke on NEW RULES (> some good interviews, see also of Michael Hudson) Oct. 2023, 48 mins.
Israel-Palestine War: US Faces Catastrophe in Middle East.
Crooke describes a division in Isr. Politics, detailing some rifts in ethnicity/religion, interesting. Idk enough about this aspect to comment on it.
He says that a French Diplomat communicated a message to Hezbollah, stating that if the Hezb. attacks – opens up a Northern Front, Isr. and the US will attack Damascus and take out Assad.
Seems very credible to me. There are so many things going on behind the scenes, and so few clues…we are in a guessing game.
Dr D. – that was epic.
US forced Ukraine to reject peace with Russia – ex-German chancellor
“Gerhard Schroeder has claimed that Washington blocked Kiev from a March 2022 settlement that could have ended the bloodshed.”
21 Oct, 2023, RT.
https://www.rt.com/news/585491-german-ex-chancellor-says-us-blocked-ukraine-peace/
Oroboros, prev. thread, thx for the chart on ‘lobbying industries’ in the US, showing big Pharma in first place. link again:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8bMECNXMAElHMA?format=jpg&name=small
I suspect the same applies in some European countries, have not chased up the numbers (takes too long.. difficult..)
Of course the ‘investment’ in ‘health’ -> aka curing sickness and avoiding death for some time – is fantastico, because ppl will pay for their loved ones, or themselves, to be cured, helped, to live on, to be healthy, happy, for some time, to the point of bankruptcy / dire poverty / not one dime left, for those who pay.
Now for an anecdote. When Obama was setting up Obi-Care, a US delegation was sent to CH to understand, wow! how a country managed to have completely private health care thru insurance.
CH was flattered, and the Health Min of the time was super pleased: -Oh-Obama-wonderful, etc.
When, on day 2 or 3, the delegation understood that this system ‘worked’ because the tariffs for all medical acts….
incl. supports – e.g. a cane, wheel chair, machine support – therapy of any kind, incl. psychotherapy – ALL medicines, drugs, bandages, vaccines, other aids, etc. – outside prof. services such as lab analyses, scans, – etc.
– that might be billed to individuals was fixed by an inter-Gvmt-Health Prof-citizen committee, and that was what the Insurance (private insurance) would pay.
TARMED, the list of the fixed prices, has more than 4,000 entries, that price will be re-imbursed by Insurance Cos (who are also tightly controlled by the Gvmt). So all private Med. entities, docs, analytic labs, hospitals, etc. must apply those tariffs to get their money.
To come back to the Obiman Delegation, once they grasped the ‘fixed price’ aspect, they upped and left immediately with some lame excuse.
link to tarmed in F, for ref. and to show the complexity.
Piers Morgan “Uncensored”, interviews Bassem Youssef (an Egyptian comedian, wiki below) on ‘Isr-Hamas-war.’ 33 mins.
There isn’t much comedy or parody, Youssef just makes some points (how to joke about such awful happenings?) after some pointed fakey exagerations (e.g. his wife uses his children as human shields so he can’t ‘take her out.’)
At time of posting this vid had 81K comments on YouTube. Amazing.
@ citizenx, right on!
“I think the wheels are finally coming off the Empires bus”
Yes .. that is my thought / hope as well .. I’m afraid though it will cost a lot in lives, and the final outcome is unpredictable.
Echoing I. Bellara, link at top post, Spanish Min. of Social Rights (Podemos Party – they have also achieved some possibly positive changes in Spain) demanding Netanyahoo be indicted by the ICC (which won’t happen, other story):
Varadkar, Ireland’s Taoisach, Irish Times, Oct 12, 2023.
Varadkar accuses Israeli government of breaching international law in Gaza siege
Huff post, Oct 13, 2003.
Leo Varadkar Issues Warning To Israel Over Gaza Air Strikes…..“Israel has the right to defend itself, but Israel doesn’t have the right to do wrong…”
Clare Daly, Irish MEP, here in a short clip, 16 Oct. 2023. (Note the Parliament in empty.)
UNWRA
here their flash appeal, front page, for GAZA, today
UNWRA is the UN agency that has between 30 – 40 K employees. Almost all of them are Palestinians, they are teachers, doctors, technicians, nurses, builders, specialists in this or that (waste disposal for ex.), and so on, paid to keep the refugees alive. One salary of course covers, serves, Idk, but for sure at least 2-6 other family members, and the services keep others alive.
UNWRA. Services are available to all registered Palestine refugees living in its area of operations who need assistance. When UNRWA began operations in 1950, it was responding to the needs of about 700,000 Palestinian refugees. By 2019, some 5.6 million people were registered as eligible for UNRWA services.
The wiki isn’t tops but best I could find for a short text.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA
One has to realise that for ex. in Gaza, it isn’t possible to ‘work’ to ‘earn money’ – it is a prison camp, and the prisoners are paid for by ‘donators’ (like tax-payers in the US) for them to be locked up, fed, etc. UNRWA fulfills that mission. The money comes from donations to the UN, mostly from the US and the EU, plus Arab states.
Thanks for the vid. of Shahid Bolsen. I never heard / read someone being so clear about Isr. / US relations in brief vid/text before.
(He leaves out the European vassals like Germany and France, and relations with Iran (…) for ex. OK…)
I agree with him in the main, minor points aren’t worth bringing up.
I have taken a lot of flack in my life from my teenage years for supporting Palestinians. I remember at age 13 I read in a newspaper that some movie star supported ‘the Palestinian cause’ and that gave me courage.
The two-state solution has always been a kind of fakey fig-leaf touted from the US/West, sounding rational, etc. For 60 plus years nobody in the US – W / Isr / other has made any effort to implement it, as it is *agreed upon* that Palestinians can never have an ‘own’ state.
In any case the territory is too small, too checkered and patchy, too ressource poor (gas fields off the Gaza strip – other story), too dependent on outside funding. Isr: from the US. Gaza: from UNWRA, int’l community.
re. language issue, Ukraine, meme: “Nobody speaks Ukrainian.”
When the Donesk, Lugansk Oblasts split from Ukr-Kiev, 2014, one of the first things they did, in the space of a very few months, was to align the educational system (roughly, 6 -14 + years) with the Russian one. They up-ended the curriculum, changed the marking system to the Russian one – the aim was for children, later young ppl, to be able to qualify automatically to enter all schools (primary, high school, vocational, Uni..) in Russia.
Russia supported this effort and sent some financial support (afaik not tremendous ..?) but school books aplenty. This has worked out, the Russian ‘acceptance’ is automatic.
Ukr. post 1990, had a very peculiar basic edu. system. Parents could choose if they wanted their children to be educated in Russian or Ukrainian, with Ukr. naturally always being a ‘nationalistic’ choice. Anyway this meant that teachers either taught in one or the other lang. incl. say for math lessons, gym..
Basically, language was used as a ‘ethnic – political’ marker. Very bad…
In the D + L , teachers in or ‘of’ Ukranian were re-cycled, not fired. As the no. of pupils who wanted Ukr. education dropped, everyone just switched to Russian.
Naturally, this is a very broad summary.
In prev. thread J. Day posted Sy Hersch’s ‘take’ on current Pal-Isr ‘war.’
Following on, re. Hamas:
Haaretz. June 2019.
Mossad Chief Yossi Cohen visited Doha on February 5 in order to ensure Qatar continues its financial aid policy to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.
https://tinyurl.com/mtbkyrre (internet archive)
Haaretz. June 2021.
Hamas Warns Israel: If Qatari Money Not Let In, We’ll Renew Gaza Border Protests
(only the beginning is visible, pay wall)
Jerusalem Post. October 2021.
Hamas has secret foreign investments worth hundreds of millions – report.
‘Intelligence information indicates that from the early 2000s until 2018, Hamas controlled some 40 commercial companies in Turkey, the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Algeria and Sudan, Double Cheque reported.’
(Hype yet interesting)
The Times of Israel. June 2021.
Former Mossad chief says Qatari payments to Hamas got ‘out of control’
‘Former Mossad chief Yossi Cohen suggested on Monday that it was a mistake to rely on Qatari funds in an effort to bring calm to the Gaza Strip.’
Back to the past, the Intercept, in 2018…
‘But did you also know that Hamas — which is an Arabic acronym for “Islamic Resistance Movement” — would probably not exist today were it not for the Jewish state? That the Israelis helped turn a bunch of fringe Palestinian Islamists in the late 1970s into one of the world’s most notorious militant groups? That Hamas is blowback?’
Blowback: How Israel Went From Helping Create Hamas to Bombing It
Listened to Brian Berletic and his friend Angelo. (John Day mentioned this vid in prev. thread.)
They see Hamas as a ‘radical group’ similar to the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaida, ISIS, Azov battalion, etc. i.e. as, in some *important* measure, set up, encouraged, funded, directed and piloted by the US. (I would call that USuk, specially in the case of Israel.)Hamas, in short, is acting with extreme violence to provoke Israel into all-out war in Gaza (don’t remember right now what they say about the W bank, not much in any case) so that Isr. kills off the Pals there and takes that mini strip of territory, finally achieving part of its ‘aims’…
In this vid, and in many other ‘analyses’, the Hamas attack is seen as a ‘version of’ 9/11, the pundits seeing 9/11 either as a false flag, or as ‘real’, no matter (which is odd), it serves to justify a horrendous counter-reaction. I posted previous, it was quite different, though of course there are similarities. Say, a few false reports of babies murdered, women raped (note, not on 9/11), real reports of women and children killed, here we have unlucky ravers, and many dead, used to justify an all out genocidal attack on a whole area, a whole ppl, etc. (Note, 14K mostly civilians many women and children killed in the Donbass don’t count..)
The New Atlas. https://tinyurl.com/2kuc8es9
I listened to the G. Diesen, Alistair Crooke, A. Mercouris vid. While doing cooking, maybe I missed some points, nuances.
Crooke gives a summary of actions at the Al-Asqa Mosque, going back to the first Indifada. Plus his contacts with the Sharon Gvmt. at the time. He elevates it to a vitally symbolic site (rightly so, but what is the weight?), and points out that just recently 800 radical settlers stormed the Mosque. (Looking into that I saw many reports that said, fake news.)
One interesting remark, he reports that Sharon said when America (US) is weak, we can establish Israel on Israeli land (trad. land includes the W bank, etc.) 1H. 20 mins. I listened to about 3/4.
The Duran. https://tinyurl.com/5bfpncjc
The implication (as I interpret + amplify it..) is that USuk loved and gifted their outpost Isr., manipulated it into hating Ayrabs / Muslims (funding will do the job), creating a divided, ‘apartheid’ society, always in ‘tension’ and ‘opposition, hate’, thus both parties are easily manipulated, and one (or another) can be spear-headed to act in one or another direction.
Mearsheimer gives a different slant on history of Isr-Arab relations. 12 Oct. 26 mins w. Judge Napolitano.
History of Isr. is like a Roscharch test, pick and choose, anything goes.
Macron has stamped VERBOTEN on pro-Palestine demos. Some are taking place nonetheless. These demos are reminiscent of the Gilets Jaunes, in the noise, cries, methods used by the ppl and the POLICE. While the GJ demos were repressed, viciously I might add, the demos were not illegal, as they were run by F workers and pertained to internal matters. 3 mins, in F, “We are all Palestinians” is the slogan adopted.
I had a terrible feeling when Hamas attacked Isr. What good would come of it, the only hope (as I posted before) would be to draw in others (Hezbollah, Iran, possibly Turkey..)
Paul Craig Roberts (top post) *speculates* that Hamas was spurred – infiltrated – manipulated to attack viciously, thus providing an excuse for Isr. and Net-yahoo to finish off the Pal. problem via whatever means, taking territory, killing off the natives, etc.
PCR makes an analogy with 9/11 (security services / intell / etc. ‘stood down’, in a typical false flag) but that is not a good comparison. 9/11 was a devastating attack (ppl died, yes, horrible) run by a small-ish Kabal who risked nothing. (Narrativ Kontrol.)
Hamas fighters – thousands, all motivated, can’t be compared to 19 shadowy mythical figures with box-cutters on hand.
Note, killing ppl via far-off (as seen on TV) explosion / demolition / air-plane downings, all of which can be ‘manipulated’ in the official accounts and news, is not comparable to going out on the street and murdering civilians, women and children, leaving their bodies on the ground, and taking hostages, threatening to cut their heads off.
The former is movie-like, meme-prepared since a long time, it is distant, yet horrific it is felt, ppl’s hearts and minds are affected.
The relatives of the dead… looked insincere to me at the time, but who knows…
link no. 1 top of Goog ABC news, pay-offs to families of 9/11:
9/11 Families, Except One, Receive Over $7 Billion
Aug. 2011. https://tinyurl.com/2bvuxpce
PCR (ok! a short post) doesn’t mention that the diversion of attention away from the investment, funding, commitment, etc. to Zelensky as the installed puppet in UKR, by an attack on the Most Holy Israel supported endlessly by the ‘Collective West’ – > is working fine with the MSM in concert…
Oroboros, that painting supposedly by Rothko announced as sold for 46 Million Dollaris doesn’t resemble Rothko paintings at all, imho it is a shoddy, even in-your-face ‘fake’, or let’s say a *pastiche* to be … hmm hmm nods head with high brows, mild —> following that all up would take too much energy.
Yes, the art-world is a vehicle for ‘legal looking’ financial shenanigans, in a huge way.
Note the crude yellow and bright blue (neither typical of Rothko), kind of clashing, not melding or complimentary in color, disposition – are an inversion of the Ukrainian Flag.
About Israel, the Palestinians on their own cannot prevail.
The question is, who will join, support, them? Or, what other plots exist, what are the for-now unknown plans that might have been set up? Hezbollah, Hamas, Jihadists? Lebanon, Syria, Iran, Egypt? A mix, what?
For now what I’m *guessing* -> it doesn’t look good for the Palestinians (I’m on their side…) No ‘big power’ or ‘force’ will go out on a limb. Not now. (Imho.)
One effect will be to focus attention on the ME (USukisr vs. ‘Ayrab terrorists’) and the endless Isr-Arab fights drawing attention, funding, support away from Ukraine, which will serve to cover up the fact that US-NATO-UKRo fascists have lost to Russia and that the loss is irrevocable and Russia will dictate the terms of the settlement, after more attrition war, which will last as long as they plan.
