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The conflicts in Ukr. and Isr. are similar.
The CIVIL WAR aspect: One party tries to kill off, displace, get rid of the ‘bad, scum’ inhabitants, the undesirables, within a territory that is defined ethnically (etc.) and/or has a history or a hope as a ‘country’ ..
Isr. has no settled official borders, Gaza is controlled by Isr., the W. Bank is a patch of ethnic / religious enclaves controlled by Isr.
> *Pals / Arabs are scum.* (making it short.)
The Donbass in Ukr. was prev. for a long time part of Russia (USSR) and its inhabitants have been under attack since 2014 at least (Maidan) by the ‘Center’ + ‘W’ of Ukr. (Crimea managed to split off w. Russian support.)
> *Donbass Russkies are scum.* (short.)
Both are ‘controlled’ conflicts, they are not Great Powers in all-out war, but ‘minor’ (of course no. of deaths, etc. is horrific..) and various factions have different interests.
The glaring difference:
The Ukr. conflict was planned and directed by the US (+ allies, weakly..) since the collapse of the USSR, to the failed first Color Revol. in Ukr. (2004) to the harder, murderous, Maidan ‘coup’ (2014), followed by support for the Banderistas, targetting of Donbass ppl, and the ‘selection’ of Poroshenko, next, Zelensky, a better controlled puppet.
To provoke Russia, the Bear, attack it not only by sanctions, but on the ground in the Donbass, provoking it into a military response, which worked.
In Isr. the Locals in power, Netanyahu and other in his cabinet etc. reacted to all this concentration of US attention on the Donbass by creating mayhem that made them out to be victims, aw usual.
> Hamas attack that they certainly knew about, or directly sponsored … to get the US re-involved in defending Israel, as the US is turning away from the minuscule territory oupost in the ME. Obama and Biden loathe(d) Netanyahu. Negotiations, accords, if they take place, will be with Arab States. (Oil etc.)
Juat one take, one aspect.
Remembering… Namibia condemns Germany for defending Israel in ICJ genocide case.
The Namibia presidency slams Germany for failing to draw lessons from its own genocide against Namibian people in the early 20th century.
Wikpediai:
“The Herero and Namaqua genocide (or the Herero and Nama genocide) was a campaign of ethnic extermination and collective punishment which was waged against the Herero (Ovaherero) and the Nama in German South West Africa (now Namibia) by the German Empire. It was the first genocide to begin in the 20th century,[5][6][7] occurring between 1904 and 1908.”
To add to zerosum who linked to Pascal L. blog, Neutrality Studies, prev. thread,
who wrote: Pascal Lottaz (the host of “Neutrality Studies”) explains why he thinks the strikes on Yemen is the 1st stage of the coming war against Iran. LLoyd Austin is in hospital and the neocons are seeing their chance of escalating the war(s) in the Middle East.
Alexander Mercouris sees an “inevitable escalation” pointing to a US attack on Iran, in the same vein.
The Duran, see after 1.11, http://tinyurl.com/3y82nv6h
Pascal L., another vid:
ICJ-Case is HOPELESS for Israel. But Technicalities Might Save It After All.
http://tinyurl.com/3n6t96nr .. is well worth a watch.
The question has always been, will the US relinquish, maybe in part only, its hegemony, assumed, global dominating superpower status, in some reasonable, “downplaying”, negotiating, way, or will it just blast on and use nukes destroying much of the world, once it is forced to admit its own vision of itself no longer holds?
Open Doors Kick…
Promoting ‘diversity’ as exemplified and vaguely discussed in the last thread, i.e. hiking ppl of ‘color’ or ‘xyz disadvantaged’ (gay, disabled, trans-gender, etc.) is simply a means for those in power to put forward underlings who will do their bidding 100%, without question.
Racism / anti-gay in France is a HUGE topic of concern and justifies a lot …Don’t get me onto *Attal* as PM in F..
The result, a completely ‘fake’ ‘Gvmt’ and ‘Associative Society’ (applies to F..) where many important posts are occupied by ‘stooges’ who are under ‘orders’ – aka kindly formulated suggestions – which are carried out without question.
The stooges are often genuinely really impressed, star-struck, and adore their masters, some can’t believe their good luck, others rapidly adopt an arrogant attitude — the former are preffered by the PTB.
In the US, from far off, it seems that white men are particularly targeted, being demeaned, cancelled, imprisoned. The ‘revanchard’ mentality may account for some of that, but basically, imho, ppl are being manipulated by those in power, the divide-to-conquer strategy reaching an alarming apogee, stridency and actioning of levers to spread suspicion, hate, and the ‘norms’ one must adhere to as a ‘proper person’ going thru the roof.
> Objecting makes one a Nazi, a white supremacist, a terrorist, a Muslim radical, a Marxist, a Communist, a laughable clue-less retrograde idiot stuck in past epochs, a woman who doesn’t stand by other women, a person who wants to undermine democracy, etc. etc.
Oroboros, on the unvaxxed getting together, it was bound to become a societal trend.
Anyway, here the births in France 2015 – 2023.
The /p/ > 2023 means ‘provisional’ – not all nos. in yet.
https://lecourrierdesstrateges.fr/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/image_2024-01-04_200353429.png
F, in Europe, has always had a strong ‘pro-natality’ policy, in the form of aid to families, mothers, small children, etc. which was quite successful, traditionally making F a ‘high’ birth rate country, in comparison with say, Italy (in the pits) — as well as *most often* the ‘top’ of Europe for birth-rate, one ex. of stats:
Now no more….Apparently authorities have no interest in figuring out what is happening.
L. Austin was hospitalised in Emergency Care, ICU, for what? is not divulged, afaik.
> After a 3 min goog search, so idk? More details?
Why hide whatever it is? Why claim the primary cause was ‘elective surgery’? Heh, because it signals ‘whatever op’ was planned well in advance, normal, dont’cha know, he was just getting a nose-job, belly reduction, removal of some trivial viral ugliness (or some such thingie)..
So why were other officials not informed in time and proper procedures not put in place for his handing over / replacement, as is reported in the MSM ?
My guess is effects of the jibby-jab are being covered up in panic, with clashing narratives being put out. What was, is, his ‘illness’? How does one end up in the ICU for ‘elective surgery’ when one is a Top Guy?
Other scenarios are possible see above (Red, John Day) – who knows, I don’t claim to.
However a Defense Sec (or Min in other countries) being AWOL as ‘ill’ and such confusing and contradictory stories being put out is indicative of a *Failed State* (to put it very mildly.)
WES posted: Just ask Haiti about the Clinton’s helping.
Right on.
Haiti, never forgiven for ‘black slaves’ winning.
“The country thus became the first independent nation of Latin America and the Caribbean, the second republic in the Americas, the first country in the Americas to eliminate slavery, and the only state in history established by a successful slave revolt.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti
Can one hope that what the Clintons did will be exposed? Idk but doubt it.
On: RT, Trump talks like a Nazi – prev. https://shorturl.at/deAR8
Lies (“insurrection”), smears (“insults women”), call it libel / slander etc., and blatant pop ops. — e.g. pix of Trump that one sees on a Goog search, are all standard.
Add in law-fare on all fronts (Stormy Daniels… I remember being in school train going up to N Switz., Vallorbe, snow all round, and the screen in the train showed news about that lady .. heh ..)
re. -> financial dealings, personal dealings, alleged roles in whatever, etc. to hopefully make him withdraw / kick him off the ballot / make him so disreputable, disgusting, that ppl can’t vote for him. Say.
The last doesn’t work, but it has to be done, as Dem. voters, enthusiasts, adherents, dependents (dollars), must be kept on board, corralled; the vilification has to continue, even expand, otherwise ppl might stop to think about policies, the future of the US, etc.
Maybe 60 .. years ago Trump would just have been shot. Hard to compare, as much has changed since then. The divide-to-rule via propaganda schemes has reached levels so extreme that there is *risk* of devastating civil disturbance in the US.
Plus, the myth of ‘democracy’ (votes not tallied, faked, Diebold to the rescue, more..) as an arbitrator that translates public opinion into Gvmt. policies has to be upheld, so there NEEDS to be two pol. parties, opponents, a kind of fight on the ground for the minds: Ppl have to take sides. Trump plays a role in that scenario, killing him off would be crass, risky, and destructive of the overall script, as it is presented.
Epstein.
I was never interested in the ‘sex’ supposed trafficking, and ‘blackmail’ potential aspects. Rich men have courts of well-paid young women hanging aroung, nothing new there…(Of course I condemn the trafficking and exploitation of underage children/teens, of vulnerable women, young men, etc. …)
The latest ‘revelations’ of Epstein ‘contacts’ are NOT new, all of them were known well before, from Epstein’s black book, from the flight logs, from official transcripts of court cases, and more, all available on the internet for years, even from MSM articles, etc.
As a fan of locked room mystery murders re. Epstein dying in his cell did grab my interest, I came to some conclusions, whatever. To add to that dossier, his brother, Mark, has recently spoken publically for the first time in MSM (afaik), interviewed by Tucker C.
Jeffrey Epstein’s Brother Reveals Everything He Knows. 25 mins.
from MoA listed at top post: – (b is good imho) –
The real aim is to remove all Palestinians from Gaza, to either kill them or to dump them in some foreign land. This would be followed by an attempt to remove all Palestinians from the West Bank before capturing and annexing the south of Lebanon.
However no foreign country is likely to support such a genocide and to take up the burden of millions of unruly refugees.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/12/biden-needs-to-come-to-israels-and-his-own-rescue.html
Allrighty… All those who support Israel’s ‘attack on Hamas’ and consider Hamas ‘a terrorist organisation’ have spoken not ONE word about accepting refugees: Palestinians in Gaza, other, such as Christians, the Stateless, other Arabs, Orphan children, Unidentified Homeless, Refugees, etc.
At best, they pushed the ‘send them to the Sinai’ directive. For the rest, as the French say, •Silence Radio.•
Those who have declared Hamas a ‘terrorist org’, labelling as a sign of adherence to ….:
AUS, NZ and Paraguay. In part, only, as they draw a distinction between the political / military wing.
Plus, natch… USuk – isr. EU, Canada, and Japan. (list is from wiki, ok imho but things can change fast.)
Trump’s ‘X’ Xmas Message (no. 1 at top post, link below.)
Didn’t know he had gone that far, damning his enemies. His personal pov, perhaps understandable from his position, Hmm -> doesn’t count in the grand scope.
All is just one more glaring sign of the now ongoing rapid fall, heh, let’s say plunge into the fiery depths, of the USA’s hegemonic power.
Trump, Biden, Hunter B., others, are seen, all over the world, to be new style ‘Mafia’ Capos, using whatever available means to attack, discredit, stifle their political ‘accusers,’ enemies, Biz rivals, and more.
Using all means to hand (lawfare, lies, smears, false accusations, kontrol of media narratives, etc. not mentioning possible violence) and making it all **public**, see the digital aspect (Twitter-X etc.) to garner public support …? Heh, for votes in rigged elections?
All this looks more like .. Crazy US teenagers? Gang wars fought out with messages by rich people barricaded in their homes? Pathetic attempts to garner sympathy thru vilification, slander, playing the victim, making empty threats, etc.?
Hollywood Celebrities Now Support Palestine in Record Numbers [Inspirational]
The CJ Werleman Show. vid. 11 mins. Dec. 22, 2023.
A beep-beep signal of turning tides.
Celebs. know nothing about Intl. politics, don’t care, and just follow along, to keep their status and fame, to remain in the ‘top in-group.’
The chatter in that class: They talk to each other all the time and have a kind of ‘solidarity’ amongst themselves (imho) now pivoting to support or at least empathise with Pals is of course ‘late in the game’ and merely ‘gotta get with the new narrative’ – we have to catch up etc. – it is all very very telling.
Jo6: Putin Now Serious About Negotiating End To War: Diplomats.
Yeah, that just signals W’s hopes, delusions, grasping at straws.
Russia will decide and enforce everything and the W will try to put out some lame weak narrative to ‘explain it all’ and pretend ‘no loss.’
See for ex. NATO’s Stoltenberg: ‘Putin has lost Ukraine forever’
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg has said that he believes Russia “has lost Ukraine forever” as a result of the war, and will not be able to achieve its war aims despite a massive military effort since the invasion in February last year.
https://news.yahoo.com/natos-stoltenberg-putin-lost-ukraine-104350240.html
🙂 !
UKR. The US has now admitted that UKR with US-poodle-W support cannot ‘beat Russia (R)’ *It is time to wind the conflict down, negotiate* is the message. (No more billions from the US, etc.)
The pref. US-W solution is a frozen conflict, where the loosing party isn’t seen to be loosing but in stasis, upholding ‘what is right’ but not venturing further for ‘humanitarian’ – ‘moral’ or ‘strategic’ or even ‘supremacist’ reasons, oh! it is all ‘complicated history’ etc.
Mega US-+ Cos. and affiliates already own a lot of land / biz interests / Gvmt. officials in UKR, so are keen to do ‘rebuilding’ with funds from x,y, investment into a,b.
I expect R, which will decide the outcome, may let the loosers save face somewhat, although Putin is publically furious about the duplicitous Minsk Accords — surely he didn’t believe in them to begin with, after one year. The EU -> Merkel and Hollande admitting they never intended to implement them will go down in history as one of the craziest moves ever. It probably isn’t even true, in Merkel’s case. Why alienate the super mega neighbor who actually (in Germany’s case) controls the economic power of the country? What pressure was applied from where?
R will not try to hold territory where the ppl are not ‘Russian’ and ‘pro-R’, as it doesn’t want to be a dominating occupier. R’s problems are more in the ‘too much territory’ – hard to defend – too low population – category. Which is why after 2014 it has done everything to encourage UKRs to emigrate to R, and paid to change the Edu. system in the Donbass to R.
So, what happens to the remainder of UKR that R will not want? Kharkiv and Odessa are often mentioned as R ‘aims’? Maybe…but then not further…?
Putin ‘+’ have repeatedly ‘warned’ / ‘hinted’ that Poland, natch, Hungary and Romania, want to re-claim Trad. ‘lands’ (in order, Galicia, Trans-Carpathia, Bukovina) and even Bulgaria has piped in (Bessarabia.) All 4 are EU countries, and their expansion would be subject to EU approval (> unelected leaders, etc.) The USuk might like to shelve this problem region onto the EU, so maybe. Other: a Rump UKR. with no military, no sea access, no good industry (etc.) a kind of no man’s land, might be acceptable to R and the US.
These options are being discussed, imho. Other outcomes are more apocalyptic.
Happy Holidays to All, let love of the living flourish, no matter what we can enjoy good meals and fun times with all the nice kiddos., without losing respect for the dead.
Oroboros posted: Ukronazi tells reporter he supports Israel with a Nazi insignia on his sleeve.
Good find of a clip.
From prev. thread. Red posted:
Neil Ferguson is a cunt of high order.
Yes. ‘Predictive modelling’ of this shoddy type, according to the most charitable view, is akin to using divination stones, Ouija boards, visions from on high, prayer for guidance, etc. to predict the future.
Fuzzy descriptions by N.F. are BS, but the folklore funny is replaced with,
*Standard, elaborated, scientific views that are imposed by State authority.*
Imho. N. F. knew what he was doing with his analyses and predictions. They were, are, sort of marginally clever, superficially convincing. Hey, he gets paid, they like him, he is a hotshot, etc.
On, US knows UKR can’t win. (from a top post) https://tinyurl.com/5y3hdrcr
That UKR could not win against Russia, even with USuk-NATO help in the form of arms, advisors, training, endless matériel, billions of dollaris, was obvious.
I’m ignorant about military matters, yet looking at a MAP, data from the World Bank, World Data, etc. — questioning 🙂 the ghosts of Napoleon and Hitler – knowing a bit of recent UKR history, social situation, governance, since 1990, etc. etc.
> That UKR would loose, be quashed, broken up, was a given.
Slavs killing Slavs, allrighty, Tennis anyone? Photo shoot with Scarlett Johansson?
From the Orange Revolution in 2004 (Yushenko, pro-W, after ditching his first wife and marrying a US woman with super level posts in the US state Dpt., poisoned with dioxin during his pol campaign, which he won against the pro-R Yanukovich) to today, after the Chocolate King (Poroshenko) scuttered away, to the Actor Zelensky, these stooges paid, directly or not, by USuk(eu), are coming to the end of their road.
Zelensky will be replaced, as the narrative requires it, soon or within a few months. The body language of those shunning him now is over the top. A sub. replacement figure will have a tough time so may be hard to pump up. Zaluzny is often mentioned, idk, seems doubtful in a way, who knows.
Russia will dictate the terms of the end-point of URK-R hostilities.
So what was the USuk + poodles trying to accomplish? Slavs killing slavs? Just decimate, too cool, kill! heh? Profits for the MIC? Grabbing territory, Foreign Mega-Cos buying up fertile land, in UKR, to do biz? Fighting a useless war for kudos, what? Poke the bear just ‘because’? Keep homies in fear? Protect BidAdmin interests in UKR? What?
Supporting Palestinians against violence from Isr., its oligarchs, others, is being viciously repressed all over the W.
E.g. Ppl being arrested for brandishing a Pal. flag, (GB), preventing demos at any costs, etc. US Top Unis firing ppl left and right for supporting Palestine, cracking down on student opinion…The contradictions have become TOO STARK.
One can’t run a perpetual near-hysterical PR campaign against ‘discrimination’ – ‘hate’ to ostensibly protect minorities who are ‘oppressed’, such as gay ppl, LGTB, ‘non-White’ ppl, i.e. Blacks, Asiatics, Original ppl (whatever they are called in different countries), women who are always short-changed, handicapped ppl (that is a whole other horrible story..), etc.
> … While at the same time justifing the ethnic cleansing, outright murder, failing that, torture of Palestinians in Gaza!
The hypocrisy is too blatant.. The double standard too evident…young ppl get it…
Oroboros, I remember the show of the 2012 Olympics, yes, strange, not readily interpretable…though many ppl were alarmed, iirc. This vid is 4 hours long watching it all to analyse it is a tough job.
*The Complete London 2012 Opening Ceremony | London 2012 Olympic Games.*
For light relief, Mr. Bean Live Performance at the London 2012 Olympic Games.
5.5 minutes. http://tinyurl.com/mu5yn2hn (Why was he there?) The Spice Girls did a show as well.
Ilargi, I will contribute like last time.
I know the ‘food’ arm of volunteer work is a hard sell, and agonising, from personal experience.
Happy Holidays to All.
maryballon posted (prev):
OK long article, focussed on energy matters, interesting.
However, Gaza is occupied territory, it does not have jurisdiction or any power over its shores and outreach into Sea. Even fishermen who venture out for food are harassed, shot…
Isr. has been awarding concession for explo. etc. in that maritime region for quite some time, mostly to BP originally (no links.) Recent, top of goog, Oct. 30 2003, Al-Monitor.
Israel’s Ministry of Energy and Infrastructure said on Sunday that it has awarded 12 licenses to six companies, including BP and ENI, for natural gas exploration off the country’s Mediterranean coast, as the war with Gaza-based Hamas entered its fourth week with no ceasefire in sight.
The offshore tender is the fourth bidding round for natural gas exploration in Israeli waters, whereby the ministry intends to boost competition as well as grow domestic supply and exports.
Two consortia won the bids: one comprising Italy’s ENI, Scotland’s Dana Petroleum Ltd. and Israeli business Ratio Energies, while the other consists of BP, State Oil Company of the Azerbaijan Republic (SOCAR) and Israel’s NewMed Energy. The companies will explore two areas next to Israel’s Leviathan field, the country’s largest and one of the world’s biggest deep-water gas discoveries.
Israel’s war with Hamas saw the shutdown of Israel’s Tamar offshore gas field, the country’s second-largest. It has yet to be reopened after being closed for security reasons on Oct. 8. The site is owned by Chevron, Dor Gas Exploration Limited Partnership, Everest Infrastructures, Isramco Negev 2, UAE-based Mubadala Investment and the Israeli company Tamar Petroleum. Before the shutdown, the field typically met around 70% of Israel’s power generation needs. The country has since been backfilling the supply from other fields to avoid disruptions to flows.
(…)One guesses MegaEnergyCos may perceive an interest in keeping quiet about the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians > Hmm, not their problem, minor distrubance, let’s forge ahead, heh.
Beyond that, it is a given that Palestinians don’t count, have no power, no share, and will never benefit, laid down by Isr. w. deals w. Energy-Corps long ago.
So, killing Palestinians in the Gaza strip has nothing to do with Energy deals, imho.
On, Isr. cannot win. RT, prev. thread. https://swentr.site/news/588857-jordan-israel-cannot-win/
Isr. is facing a v. bad PR, image, from any angle.
Note the likes of Col. Mc Gregor state they wish to *STOP isr. destroying itself*, help it out, to stop the carnage, all this can’t be good for isr, etc. Isr. must live on…will be in danger if attacked by many neighbors..
?– The 7 Oct. attack by ‘Hamas’ was not anticipated by isr. i.e. all the security services, data surveillance, informants, control of Gaza (etc.) failed simultaneously. Isr. MSM has published warnings, pre. attack from Egypt, from border surveillance, etc. Blithely ignored.
?– Was a ‘let it happen’ scenario
?– Or one notch higher, was it implemented by isr. itself?
*Was Al-Aqsa Flood a false flag?*
By Ian Davis
*What lies behind Benjamin Netanyahu’s lies and Hamas’s evasions?*
by Thierry Meyssan
https://www.voltairenet.org/article220078.html
In some sense, answers to qus are not crucial. It just became TIME to ethnically cleanse the Gaza strip, drive out / kill / cull, ‘thin’ seems to be fash word > get all the Palestinians out from this minuscule territory. The aim is not to ‘gain land’ (lebensraum), control ressources, transport, workers, etc. It is to kill, expell, even torture, etc. Palestinians, as a glorious triumph of supremacy, blood lust, murderous hate…uncontested, allowed by the most powerful…
DBS, yes, I agree with you on this, I posted that screed by “David Cohen” as it is emblematic of standard propaganda from some ‘voices’…
Militant / MS Isr-Jewish dominant opinion as in a post on Moon of Alabama.
Every standard trope is hammered hard.
Replying to tawharanui | Dec 9 2023 16:27 utc. “Palestine belongs to the Palestinian people and no one else”
quote:
To us, the entire land and the Jew belong to each other because it is inherent in our heritage. It is enshrined in the Bible, it’s not the promised lad G-d did not promise but he gave, all of what is Gaza and West Bank is the GIVEN land that was for the chosen people.
Yet Jews often shy away from making the Biblical claim outright. You hear Jews speak of the United Nations Vote for Partition in 1948. You hear Jews speak of a historical right to reclaim the land of our ancestors, but rarely does one hear Jews speak publicly about a G-d given right enshrined in the Bible and this is The only true reason why Jew live in Israel today. It isn’t a gift of the UN and it is not ours by right of conquest. It isn’t ours on account of history, it is ours because G-d made it so.
Had the UN given us California, we would not have gone. Had the Jewish people defeated the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, we Jews would not have claimed that land as it rightly belongs to the polish people.
The land of our fathers, the land of our glory, the land of our home, the land of our soul; the land that moves millions of Jews worldwide since 1947 to leave and come and settle here, to fight in the IDF to make a home here, to build paradise here.
Should we deny this essential truth only because there are political movements in the world that are not prepared to accept it?
We Jews often shy away from making the Biblical claim outright. You hear Jews speak of the United Nations Vote for Partition in 1948. You hear Jews speak of a historical right to reclaim the land of our ancestors, but rarely does one hear Jews speak publicly about a G-d given right enshrined in the Bible.
Once again get it into your little head, Israel belongs to the Jews. We don’t require legal arguments or scientific proof to justify our claim to Israel.
The horrors of October 7th present us with an opportunity, that we might lose forever, to reclaim all of our land, we had previously agreed to share our land it with the Palestinians, Hamas returned the favour by rape and pillag while the whole world watched.
The world must now understand we cannot now live with Palestinians as neighbours. Our existence is threatened, there is plenty of land where the Palestinians can move to. Muslims nations must accommodate them, not a small country like Israel.
Posted by: David Cohen | Dec 9 2023 17:44 utc | 33
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2023/12/palestine-open-thread-2023-297.html#comments
Apologies for length. David Cohen of course may not be a real person with a genuine opinion. Note: “The horrors of October 7th present us with an opportunity, that we might lose forever..”
CH – pop. 8 million.
*Recruits lack breath* (have breathing problems.)
Link is to begin summary in F of MSM article behind paywall.
1 recruit / 5, aged around 20, presented breathing difficulties ..
About 95% young men in CH are conscripted. (That doesn’t mean that they serve, they may be excused, refused, do social service instead, opt out using various dodges, etc.)
Each year tens of thousands of conscripts are tested for ‘aptitudes’ (skills) ‘education’ and various physical performance indicators. A thorough, simple, easy to log, measure of the physical fitness of young men who are not in some ‘special’ category.
The general performance tests of the CH army recruits show a loss of strength and endurance of 6 to 7 % (statistically significant) in various physical tasks, since 2021. E.g running with a heavy load, high jump without running up, push-ups, leg-ups, walking at a fair speed uphill for some time, etc. An average, so it obscures all kinds of interesting findings.
Agility is stable. E.g. smooth, constrained in space, movement; balance skills; manipulating machinery, etc.
This is the first time a drop in performance is noted. It went up (even if only by point 1 or 2..) each year since the measures began.
This is anecdotal for now > haven’t grabbed the original data.
Attributed cause. > COV / long COV.
Deaths. There were no excess deaths (all cause mortality) in under-64s during the whole COV ‘pandemic’ in CH, and none since then. In CH, for this age group, even a red dot (on the graph posted below, third in the text) is tricky, because the numbers are so small. One bus filled with teens falling off a mountain, or a ‘bad’ avalanche on a village of 500 ppl, can be ‘excess’ (one sigma +)
All the excess mortality one sees logged for ex. on Our World in Data for CH is in over 64’s. Sure, for all cause mortality, the cause may have shifted, for ex. from suicide (1st cause of death males 15-24) to ‘heart’ – idk about that.
https://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/en/home/statistics/health/state-health/mortality-causes-death.html
What about Vax? Official stats show that the age 20-29 population was 73% vaxxed (compare, 80+ = 93%), for under 20s, even lower. But.. CH is trying to look good and VAX stats are based on having had ONE dose.
https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/vaccination/persons/d/demography
So, around 30% of recruits were, are, vax free.
Without breakdown vx / no vx / other details, one can’t say much more.
Cover-up is much the same as in other countries, see the below article. The +++ info is cancer meds from a big insurance co., Helsana.
https://live2fightanotherday.substack.com/p/they-can-run-but-they-cant-hide-swiss
Moon of Alabama, Dec. 4, 2023.
Right Before Hamas Attacked Someone Shorted Israeli Stocks And Funds
echoes of 9/11…
T. Meyssan has some remarks, questions. Nov. 28, 2023.
The official version of the Hamas-Israel war raises more questions than it answers. Here, the author highlights seven major contradictions. On reflection, Hamas and Benjamin Netanyahu, far from being enemies, are acting in concert with no regard for the lives of Palestinians or Israelis. Behind them, the United States and the United Kingdom are pulling the strings.
On Sept. 22, 2023 (or close) Bibi brandished, at the UN, a map of the ISR. region, called “The New ME”, showing the W Bank and Gaza as being part of ISR.
one ex. of news:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/politics-and-diplomacy/article-760189
In a quick search, could not find a clear pic of the map he showed (no surprise.)
Two recent past Bibi promises.
Sept. 2019. “Netanyahu pledges to annex Jordan Valley in Occupied West Bank if Re-Elected.”
https://time.com/5674409/netanyahu-gantz-west-bank/
Dec. 2022. “N..’s Gvmt vows to expand West Bank settlements, annex occupied territory.”
Wes wrote: It comes as no surprise that Israel is agreement incapable. The only question is who is the little/big brother in this, Israel or US?
It’s a symbiotic relationship. One party controls/funds the other (US funds Isr. > billions), the other party controls/funds the leaders (Isr. funds, corrupts, US Pols, that is, individuals), one party influences and manages the other, returns churn, the ‘deals’ chug along.
Like a druggie couple who fight bitterly on occasion but can’t separate, and always make up, as they are dependent on each other. I don’t favor ‘Personal relationships’ comparisons, but in this case the fit is close.
See for ex. RFK J., saying Isr. is a mini-US State, essential for the survival of the US! — Says that otherwise Russia and China would control practically all energy (BS imho) Isr. prevents this, etc.
In terms of raw power, financial control clout, and enforcing decisions, the US holds the upper hand.
Isr. is a poor, tiny, minuscule outpost, not economically viable to ‘devp-country’ level without massive support, military, techno, energy, financial, cultural, and propaganda.. by the US, the EU, > possibly see the huge trade deficit with China.
The divide to conquer strategy, fostering hate between Muslims and Jews, to keep the *ME Region*, in turmoil, unstable, rife with murderous rivalries and thus manipulable by the USuk(eu), is gradually coming to an end.
Isr. breaks the status quo, going all out to annihilate Pals. in Gaza. Horrid PR, see ‘Genocide Joe’.. Isr. viciously bombing (with US ordnance) to cleanse the Gaza Strip of Arabs, while facing pressure, condemnation, threats (Hezb, Iran, W opinion / support / Arab World, etc.) is on the face of it, taking big risks.
Underneath the surface (as descr. here), what the drivers and deals are – idk.
20 years ago…: Ali Abunima. 28 Oct. 2003. Electronic Intifada.
Because of the Oslo process, the basis for a viable and minimally fair two-state solution has been completely destroyed. The Israeli “peace camp” and the Palestinian leadership ought to have learned from the calamities they helped bring about and changed their ways. The so-called “Geneva Accord,” an informal agreement prepared by Israelis, led by former Labor Justice Minister Yossi Beilin and other Oslo-era luminaries, and Palestinians close to Yasser Arafat, demonstrates a determination to repeat the tragic errors of the past. (…)
Oslo allowed Israel to double the number of colonists on occupied Palestinian land, while the PLO transformed itself into a Palestinian Authority whose mandate was to protect Israel from the victims of the ongoing colonization.
(….)
https://electronicintifada.net/content/disastrous-dead-end-geneva-accord/4847
WES posted:
I haven’t commented much on the Gaza war because everything happening there is obvious and there is nothing new happening. Same 100 year old plus stuff happening inside.
But outside something has changed.
So, US navy carrier assets in the Mediterranean are positioned well out of the reach of Iran’s proxies in Gaza, Lebanon, and Syria.
But, US navy carrier assets are well within range of Iran!
What does that tell you? So who is winning/losing?
Some comments, additions..
In the past 2 years:
The war in Yemen ended, more or less. MBS called it off (?) Sure, see footnotes, not a happy jamboree.
KSA has effected *rapprochements* with Iran, Quatar, and Syria. Turkey and Syria have also been in touch.. (Idk the details. Bashar Al-A. is now welcome all over the ME.)
In the ME, efforts to re-stabilise the Region, via aliances, accords, agreements, to render it resistant to *divide and conquer* moves by the USA (effected via corruption, funding of XYZ, military moves, social manipulation..) is taking place.
This shifting geo-pol landscape spurred Hamas attack on Israel. Planned for a long time, one of its aims was to provoke the support for Palestine we see now.
The US loosing power all over the world is the primary cause. See Afghanistan, Biden a senile stumbler, and more, all this makes Israel fragile, their Super Protector is kinda leery of going all out as that might inflame the whole ME and waken Iran.
Ok that was a potted analysis…
Disease Could Become Bigger Killer Than Bombs In Gaza, WHO Warns.
Disease may claim more lives in Gaza than bombs, the World Health Organization warned on Tuesday, highlighting the dire humanitarian conditions inside the Palestinian enclave as a truce between Israel and Hamas is on its fifth day.
https://archive.is/t15sf#selection-509.0-539.57
So WHO points to a competition between bombs and disease…warning one may win!
ohhhh…
Veracious Poet (thread back, I posted Isr. children singing “we will annihilate everyone”) yes, you are right to point out that others do the same (Islamic children singing..)
Children are often exploited in this way, it is horrible. Sometimes it seems to me one can see that they are ill at ease with what they are doing. Other times they are just blank faced, performing like robots. I see the vid I posted has been removed by Youtube.
You wrote, Until “humanity” rejects violence laden divisive rhetoric ~ Arising from Collective EG0ic Madness ~ nothing, absolutely NO-THING will change…
I agree with the spirit of that. Who is doing the manipulating is the question. Ex. The W MSM presents the horror in GAZA in terms of “Terrorists”, “Muslims”, “Atrocities”, “Jews / Israelis”, “Self-Defense”. “War” (but not a civil war) – and some commentators use words like “Emotion-driven”, “over-reactions” etc.
Not one word about the fact that Gaza is occupied territory (except for obfuscations about ‘a complicated history’, ‘divisions,’ etc…), the no. 1 characteristic of Palestinians living there is that they live under occupation, are under strict and very harmful Kontrol, etc. NOT – that they are Muslims vs. Christians, Jews, Buddhists.
On Banksy vid. at top post, “The children of Gaza.”
Cultural reference: The Red Balloon. A short and moving film from 1956, 34 mins. About a young boy in Paris …
wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Red_Balloon
you tube (full movie): https://tinyurl.com/ybs433dw
It won an Oscar and the Palme d’Or etc. Really, worth a watch, for children specially. Idk about the link to the children of Gaza, hmmm, *autre histoire.*
Dr. D wrote, prev. thread. So if we stand up, then what? People ARE protesting. Then what? People DID go to prison without trial for protesting. Then what? I have ideas and they’re not necessarily violent, but I want YOU to consider. The political process as we’re presently using it, isn’t “Political”. If it were, it would have some effect. If it has no effect, it’s strictly theatre, a sham.
Yes, in the main. I protested in ‘all’ protests against the invasion of Iraq, see V. Arnold same, and those demos were the ‘biggest’ the World had ever seen. Effect? Zero. I swore, Never Again.
—> Interesting experience though, the Black Block, and the Police (in CH) play a huge role in demos.
We have seen many pre-emptive moves against ‘opinions’ / ‘free speech’, mostly scattered and unfocussed, but they do weigh heavily, e.g. bank accounts sequestered for protesting (Can. truckers), being arrested for waving a flag, wearing a kehfia (GB, very set on symbols..), being prosecuted for anti-semitism, hate speech (France loves that path), and that’s without the Gilets Jaunes being shot w. rubber bullets and maimed, etc.
The TV and the MSM continue to stigmatise ‘consp theorists’, ‘anti vax’ etc. etc. COV provided a novel and horrendous breach: Ppl could be fired, prevented from working, not be paid, stopped from entering shops and public venues, from travelling, etc. etc. if they did not submit to the Gvmt-MegaCorp-MSM dictats. Although the COV measures were legitimised by ‘medical emergency’ discourse, ppl instinctively or directly understand that all is part of the same agenda.
So, alternatives must be considered. Voting in X vs. Y amongst the ‘candidates’ approved by the PTB->MSM won’t change anything. The US is a prime ex., with a Prez. elected by ‘direct suffrage’, Bush Junior, Obama, Trump, Biden – they have their favorite killing grounds with the other party mumbling about we don’t like it…to then do ‘their’ thing.. they are figure-heads or just part of the same system…
Boycotts can have an effect, imho. in any case are better than protests. That is why the BDS movement is so repressed.
Leaving it there for now.
Israel, in the words of various US pols, is something like a foreign base, a landing strip, a military outpost, of the US.
The ‘Collective W,’ aka USuk + the Colonialist European Powers (leaving all details nuances etc. out), as well as the genocidal created Nations like Australia and NZ, cannot give up this minuscule outpost that has served supremely well for all the post-WW2-colonialists.
By > creating strife and divide to conquer, using Isr. ‘manufactured hate’ and paranoia to attack indigenous ppl > using sticks against those who question Isr. so as to be able to exclude, discredit > keep a largish region in strife .. etc.
So it is *all hands out* to defend the very existence of Israel, even accepting great costs in intl. rels., image, the investment can’t be given up, or not immediately.
Would USuk + EU poodles prefer that Bibi be more ‘moderate, discrete, a better liar’? Yes.
Would they have prefered the status quo, no disturbance? In some sense, yes.
Do they see that the biggest threat to the existence of Isr. is the Isr. Gvmt. / its top controllers / Bibi clique, itself? Probably. Would they be totally opposed to a Greater Isr. -> Gaza destroyed and the W Bank annexed? Why, no, not at all.
All that is a relatively minor issue fitting into the overarching aim which is to prevent / derail, alliances of BRICS types orgs. (trade, territorial organisation) with Military – Defense pacts outside the US sphere.
(comments on, in last thread, Escobar, why US needs war with Gaza, Marketic, US will take massive hit in global standing…)
