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Salvador Dali Madrid. Drunk man 1922

 

Harvard professor and chess grandmaster Kenneth Rogoff has said some pretty out there stuff before, in his role as self-appointed crusader against cash, but apparently he’s not done yet. In fact, he might just be getting started. This time around he sounds like a crossover between George Orwell and Franz Kafka, with a serving of ‘theater of the absurd’ on top. Rogoff wants to give central banks total control over your lives. They must decide what you do with your money. First and foremost, they must make it impossible for you to save your money from their disastrous policies, so they are free to create more mayhem.

Prepare For Negative Interest Rates In The Next Recession Says Top Economist

Negative interest rates will be needed in the next major recession or financial crisis, and central banks should do more to prepare the ground for such policies, according to leading economist Kenneth Rogoff. Quantitative easing is not as effective a tonic as cutting rates to below zero, he believes. Central banks around the world turned to money creation in the credit crunch to stimulate the economy when interest rates were already at rock bottom.

Central banks create recessions and crises. Not people, and not economies. Central banks. The next recession, which is inevitable, that’s the one thing Rogoff has right, will come when the bubbles in housing, stocks, bonds, etc., created by central banks’ QE, ZIRP, NIRP, start to pop. And there’s nothing worse than giving central banks even more tools for creating crises. We should take away the tools they have now, not hand them more sledgehammers.

In a new paper published in the Journal of Economic Perspectives the professor of economics at Harvard University argues that central banks should start preparing now to find ways to cut rates to below zero so they are not caught out when the next recession strikes. Traditionally economists have assumed that cutting rates into negative territory would risk pushing savers to take their money out of banks and stuff the cash – metaphorically or possibly literally – under their mattress. As electronic transfers become the standard way of paying for purchases, Mr Rogoff believes this is a diminishing risk.

Risk? What risk? The risk of people doing with their money what they choose to do, doing what they think is best? Of people trying to save their savings from being burned by central bank policies? What kind of mind comes up with this nonsense? Who is Ken Rogoff to think that he knows better what you should do with the money you worked for than you yourself do? You’d be a fool not to protect you hard-earned earnings from negative interest rates. Rogoff therefore seems intent on creating nations full of fools.

“It makes sense not to wait until the next financial crisis to develop plans and, in any event, it is time for economists to stop pretending that implementing effective negative rates is as difficult today as it seemed in Keynes time”, he said. The growth of electronic payment systems and the increasing marginalisation of cash in legal transactions creates a much smoother path to negative rate policy today than even two decades ago. Countries can scrap larger denomination notes to reduce the likelihood of cash being held in substantial quantities, he suggests. This is also a potentially practical idea because cash tends now to be used largely for only small transactions. Law enforcement officials may also back the idea to cut down on money laundering and tax evasion.

What makes sense is to not create crises. What does not make sense is negative interest rates. Ultra low interest rates have already destroyed trillions in savings and pensions, and now Rogoff effectively says central banks should take this a step further, and target whatever it is you have left. This is insane megalomania. It’s communism in its worst possible form. Oh, and it’s outright theft. Of a form that’s far more insidious and harmful than money laundering.

The key consequence from an economic point of view is that forcing savers to keep cash in an electronic format would make it easier to levy a negative interest rate. “With today’s ultra-low policy interest rates – inching up in the United States and still slightly negative in the eurozone and Japan – it is sobering to ask what major central banks will do should another major prolonged global recession come any time soon,” he said, noting that the Fed cut rates by an average of 5.5 percentage points in the nine recessions since the mid-1950s, something which is impossible at the current low rate of interest, unless negative rates become an option. That would be substantially better than trying to use QE or forward guidance as central bankers have attempted in recent years.

Forcing savers to keep cash in an electronic format would make it easier to steal it. Central banks could dictate that you lose 5% of your money every year. Or at least, that’s what they think. They want you to spend your money, and they got just the way to force you to do that. Or so they think. Well, go ask Abe and Kuroda how that’s worked out in Japan lately. What actually happens is that when you start stealing people’s money, savings etc., they become afraid of losing the rest too, so they start looking for ways to save their savings, not spend them.

In that sense, Rogoff’s suggestions amount to terror, to terrorizing people into doing things that go against their very survival instincts. What gets people to spend money is if they don’t feel terror, when they see their money and savings grow by a few percent per year. That is the exact opposite of what Rogoff wants to do. When people ‘sit’ on their savings, they do so for good reasons. What do you think has happened to Japan?

“Alternative monetary policy instruments such as forward guidance and quantitative easing offer some theoretical promise for addressing the zero bound,” he said, in the paper which is titled ‘Dealing with Monetary Paralysis at the Zero Bound’. “But these policies have now been deployed for some years – in the case of Japan, for more than two decades – and at least so far, they have not convincingly shown an ability to decisively overcome the problems posed by the zero bound.”

No wait, Rogoff is right second time: indeed “they have not convincingly shown an ability to decisively overcome the problems”. Because they’re terribly wrong. Theoretical promise? That’s all? But that means you’re just experimenting with people’s lives and wellbeing. Who gave you that right?

It’s high time, even if it’s very late in the game, to take political power away from central banks- and thereby from the banks that own them. There is nothing worse for our societies than letting these people decide what you can and cannot do with our money. Because as long as they have that power, they will seek to expand it. To prop up their member banks at your expense. And there is only one possible end result: you’ll be left with nothing. They want it all.

Until we take that power away from them, please don’t talk to me about democracy. Talk to me about Orwell and Kafka instead.

 

 

 

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    Salvador Dali Madrid. Drunk man 1922   Harvard professor and chess grandmaster Kenneth Rogoff has said some pretty out there stuff before, in his
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    Ken Barrows
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    Sure, Professor Rogoff, but what about the recession AFTER the next recession?

    #35477

    zerosum
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    According to population distribution, there will not be very many savers left.

    Present savers/retirees are already being scammed out of their savings.
    The younger generations have no savings and they have been raised to have greater expectation than their income and therefore, they create legal scams to satisfy their wants.

    Question: do the people of N. Korea have savings?

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    Dr. Diablo
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    Back in 1930, there were a million or so people who wanted to solve the Depression. Like good engineers, they input the parameters and used science to come up with an emminently logical plan. They determined that, logically, the most efficient economy would create only and exactly the goods demanded using economy-wide just in time data, — even down to your electric meter — and logically, the currency should be an energy proxy, an inescapable BTU-Dollar, or in today’s parlance, a carbon credit.

    Using this mass-data central planning to run the economy of an unified North America logically — but far better than the competing Soviet system — had a third arm: if individuals stockpiled or “hoarded” anything, it would be inefficient. Therefore, they were both prohibited from stockpiling goods or stockpiling money. If your paycheck from creating this month’s goods wasn’t spent, it would expire. Note that this is a direct pathway to neo-serfdom, as, like the Soviet system it would have owners, capitalists, party-members, oh-so smart, important, naturally benevolent deciders sitting on palacial American Dachas, and the rest of the nation, unimportant people, non-deciders, non-owners, who must live hand-to-mouth, owning nothing and unable to own or store any life security: food, shoes, money, anything.

    Wow, sure is a good thing that never happened! Boy if they had got in the BTU-credit and negative interest rates that made your paycheck vanish, locked in with no alternative, and universal tracking of inventory through every worker from factory to landfill, the whole middle class, stability, independence, and even free human agency would disappear! Dodged that one!

    Thanks to Rogoff, we won’t have to worry about that. He means only the best for us by running the economy logically, efficiently. …You know, like any good sociopath.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement

    ‘Technocracy is the science of social engineering, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population of this continent. For the first time in human history it will be done as a scientific, technical, engineering problem. There will be no place for Politics or Politicians, Finance or Financiers, Rackets or Racketeers. Technocracy states that this method of operating the social mechanism of the North American Continent is now mandatory because we have passed from a state of actual scarcity into the present status of potential abundance in which we are now held to an artificial scarcity forced upon us in order to continue a Price System which can distribute goods only by means of a medium of exchange. Technocracy states that price and abundance are incompatible; the greater the abundance the smaller the price. In a real abundance there can be no price at all. Only by abandoning the interfering price control and substituting a scientific method of production and distribution can an abundance be achieved. Technocracy will distribute by means of a certificate of distribution available to every citizen from birth to death. The Technate will encompass the entire American Continent from Panama to the North Pole because the natural resources and the natural boundary of this area make it an independent, self-sustaining geographical unit.’ Notes:
    – Social engineering as a foundation of control
    – Presumably zero tolerance of resistance or alternate systems/lifestyles
    – Elimination of national governments in favor of a merged corporations / bureaucracy
    – Therefore, elimination of democracy and citizen rights in favor of Philosopher Kings/Scientific Dictatorship, decided by them, not the people.
    – Elimination of money or means of exchange instead using centrally-tracked citizen vouchers
    – A North American union.

    Did I miss anything? Stop me if you’ve heard this one before.

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    seychelles
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    Cashless societies and negative interest rates are simply Zioglobalist polito-financial delaying tactics that avoid an honest reconciliation of interest rates with risk and of free market prices. Rogoff is a dishonest academic and a shill for people who are masters of abusing power that they have patiently appropriated by subterfuge.

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    Professorlocknload
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    Ken,Ken,Ken,,,Grandma Janet said there would be no more financial crises in our lifetime. Didn’t you get the memo??? Or are you just not a team player?

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    Professorlocknload
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    As for all this cashless nonsense,,,go ahead,,,ban 100 dollar bills. We’ll simply convert to Amazon, Walmart and i Tunes gift cards and charge ’em up to whatever denomination we need to make transactions on the street. Control that! Oh, and for the seedier parts of town, BevMo! cards should carry some clout for folks that like their “45’s.” For everything else, there’s EBT cards.

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    Patricia
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    It is not the Reserve Banks or Governments that will control us when there is a cashless society, it is the Commercial Banks. 97% of all money in circulation today is created by the Commercial Banks. Only 3% by the Reserve Banks. We are already hanging on by our finger nails. What do you think it will be like when everybody’s money is controlled by private enterprise. Governments will have next to no power other than to legislate for zero interest and who do you think will be taking our money? It will be the bloody Commercial Banks.

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    V. Arnold
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    As long as there are precious metals; pimarily gold and silver, one can maintain some degree of anonymity. There will always be markets that will deal in that for currency.
    The other problem as I see it is credit & debit cards and having debt, personal debt.
    Ones whole life is just a click away for some government bureaucrat.
    When it comes to the U.S. government, be afraid, be very afraid…

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