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Paul Klee Girl in Mourning 1939

 

The End of the Pandemic Is Now in Sight (Zhang)
1 Million Chinese Injected With Sinopharm Vaccine In Emergency Use Scheme (SCMP)
Sidney Powell: Trump Team To Sue Officials To Invalidate Election Results (ZH)
I Know Sidney Powell. She Is Telling the Truth (Zmirak)
There Is Evidence, Actually (Athey)
The New Ruling Coalition: Opposition to Afghanistan Withdrawal (Greenwald)
The Global Reset Scam (Macleod)
Netanyahu Seeks To Cement Permanent Rule By Israel’s Far-right (Cook)
Comedians Rate Journalist Humor (Taibbi)
BBC Edits Out ‘Derogatory’ Words In ‘Fairytale Of New York’ (RT)

 

 

I did not watch the Trump lawyers’ presser, but the strong reactions on all sides are intriguing. Even Tucker Carlson goes after Sidney Powell for not showing him evidence that she intends to present in court. Hold your horses, I’d say.

And I’m not sure why they held the conference at that point in time, knowing anything short of laying out their court case right there and then would be criticized. But I for one don’t mind waiting a few more days. Court cases require more work than press-ops.

 

 

Bongo Biden

 

 

Trump Michigan Wisconsin Data Dumps

 

 

Bit optimistic, perhaps? But the underlying science is certainly interesting.

“mRNA vaccines cannot cause infection because they do not contain the whole virus.”

The End of the Pandemic Is Now in Sight (Zhang)

mRNA vaccines offer a clever shortcut. We humans don’t need to intellectually work out how to make viruses; our bodies are already very, very good at incubating them. When the coronavirus infects us, it hijacks our cellular machinery, turning our cells into miniature factories that churn out infectious viruses. The mRNA vaccine makes this vulnerability into a strength. What if we can trick our own cells into making just one individually harmless, though very recognizable, viral protein? The coronavirus’s spike protein fits this description, and the instructions for making it can be encoded into genetic material called mRNA.

Both vaccines, from Moderna and from Pfizer’s collaboration with the smaller German company BioNTech, package slightly modified spike-protein mRNA inside a tiny protective bubble of fat. Human cells take up this bubble and simply follow the directions to make spike protein. The cells then display these spike proteins, presenting them as strange baubles to the immune system. Recognizing these viral proteins as foreign, the immune system begins building an arsenal to prepare for the moment a virus bearing this spike protein appears. This overall process mimics the steps of infection better than some traditional vaccines, which suggests that mRNA vaccines may provoke a better immune response for certain diseases.

When you inject vaccines made of inactivated viruses or viral pieces, they can’t get inside the cell, and the cell can’t present those viral pieces to the immune system. Those vaccines can still elicit proteins called antibodies, which neutralize the virus, but they have a harder time stimulating T cells, which make up another important part of the immune response. (Weakened viruses used in vaccines can get inside cells, but risk causing an actual infection if something goes awry. mRNA vaccines cannot cause infection because they do not contain the whole virus.) Moreover, inactivated viruses or viral pieces tend to disappear from the body within a day, but mRNA vaccines can continue to produce spike protein for two weeks, says Drew Weissman, an immunologist at the University of Pennsylvania, whose mRNA vaccine research has been licensed by both BioNTech and Moderna. The longer the spike protein is around, the better for an immune response.

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Strange silence in the west about Chinese and Russian vaccines.

1 Million Chinese Injected With Vaccine In Emergency Use Scheme (SCMP)

Almost 1 million Chinese have been given an experimental Covid-19 vaccine developed by the state-owned Sinopharm under the government’s emergency use scheme, the company’s chairman said. China is one of just two countries, along with Russia, known to have used so-called vaccine candidates – products that are still undergoing clinical trials to test their efficacy and safety – to inoculate its citizens. “In terms of emergency use, the vaccines were applied to nearly a million people and there has not been a single case of a serious adverse event. People have had only mild symptoms,” Liu Jingzhen, chairman of China National Pharmaceutical Group (Sinopharm), said in an interview with a Sichuan-based digital media company that was published on Wednesday.


“Until now, all our progress, from research to clinical trials to production and emergency use, we have been leading the world,” he said. Besides the recipients of the Sinopharm jabs, authorities in Zhejiang said they had made a Covid-19 vaccine developed by the privately owned pharmaceutical company Sinovac Biotec available to high-risk groups in the east China province under the emergency use scheme. Exactly how many citizens have received the jabs is unknown, but local and foreign media reports showed images of people lining up outside disease control and prevention centres to receive them.

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“It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations.”

Sidney Powell: Trump Team To Sue Officials To Invalidate Election Results (ZH)

Shortly before the Associated Press announced late on Thursday that Joe Biden had won the state of Georgia after its secretary of state said that Biden had remained ahead after a hand recount of the state’s 5 million presidential votes making him the first Democratic presidential candidate in 28 years to win the state pending any potential litigation by Trump, the president’s attorney Sidney Powell warned that a “flurry of lawsuits” await election officials who certify the results of the election which she believes are fraudulent. The former federal prosecutor, who is also Michael Flynn’s lead attorney in a case about lying to the FBI, told Fox Business host Lou Dobbs on Thursday that the Trump camp will press forward with legal action, targeting election officials as they certify the 2020 results in several key battleground states that have been called for President-elect Joe Biden.

One of them would be Georgia’s Republican Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger, who must certify the results by Friday. Dobbs also asked if Trump’s llegal team will pursue legal action against Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic: “Are you pressing forward with legal action against them for those violations?” Dobbs asked. “Not against the company and the software,” Powell responded. “But the suits will be against the election officials to invalidate the results of the election and force it to the legislatures and the Electoral College and then the Congress if necessary.” As we reported earlier, Powell asserted that Dominion and Smartmatic are “inexplicably intertwined.” She appeared with former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and other members of Trump’s election legal team at a press conference in Washington, D.C., to accuse Democrats of an elaborate plot by his opponents to “rig” voting machines in the presidential.

During that conference, Giulianni said that he “can prove that [Trump] won Pennsylvania by 150,000 votes” and that “the people who did this have committed one of the worst crimes that I’ve ever seen or heard.” The former NYC mayor also said there is a pattern in the voting data that suggests “a plan from a centralized place” to commit voter fraud in Democrat-run cities. At the same time, Powell said President Trump “won by a landslide,” and that their legal team will prove it.

Giuliani presser

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“When I saw that she was representing General Mike Flynn, I knew one thing for sure — that he was innocent.”

I Know Sidney Powell. She Is Telling the Truth (Zmirak)

Back in 2014, I worked freelance for a public relations firm in New York City. It was there that I met an unusual woman. I didn’t know many lawyers or Texans, but I knew better than to chalk up her qualities to either her profession or her home. It’s rare that I encounter someone who I’m afraid to argue with, because of her sheer brain power and towering personal rectitude. But this was such a person. This woman had quite a career behind her. An evangelical Christian, she’d been a federal prosecutor — and quit, outraged at the corruption she saw among her colleagues. She did more than quit. Horrified by prosecutors hiding exculpatory evidence and targeting the innocent because of their personal politics, she became a defense attorney, to help people fight the feds.

But that wasn’t enough. At a huge financial sacrifice, she took time off from her practice to write a book. And self-publish it. And hire a public relations firm to get it out to people, when media ignored it. That book, Licensed to Lie, is absolutely chilling. It shows innocent Americans, even a U.S. Senator such as Ted Stevens of Alaska, unable to defend themselves against prosecutors with vendettas. It recounts how innocent companies, like accounting firm Arthur Anderson, can be broken by biased and dishonest federal prosecutors, and left in ruins. A real-life legal horror story, the book was too disturbing for me to read it through to the end. And its author was Sidney Powell, whom I used to go to lunch with in midtown Manhattan. In retrospect, I feel privileged. I knew she was a powerhouse, but I little suspected what an historic role she would someday play. When I saw that she was representing General Mike Flynn, I knew one thing for sure — that he was innocent.

Sidney’s not one of those lawyers who works for people she thinks are guilty as sin. She wouldn’t have gone on Fox News, and One America, and Newsmax, night after night and coolly laid out his defense in a tone of righteous outrage if this were just some client. Because the abuse of power and perversion of law Sidney witnessed made her more than just some lawyer. It made her a crusader. It made her … Joan of Arc. So watching the press conference with Jenna Ellis, Rudolph Giuliani, and Sidney Powell was different for me than for most. I don’t know Ms. Ellis or Mayor Giuliani, though I don’t suspect that they’re cynical, partisan hacks, as Ross Douthat suggests. Keep in mind that a week before the 2016 election, Douthat tried to suppress the pro-life vote for Trump by comparing a voting for Trump to shooting abortionists on the street. That’s one way to keep a job at The New York Times, I suppose.

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“It is too early to dismiss Giuliani’s efforts as a mere clown show.”

There Is Evidence, Actually (Athey)

Call me crazy for taking the man with hair dye dripping down his cheeks seriously, but I think it would be unfair to dismiss Rudy Giuliani. Amusingly shambolic he may be. That doesn’t mean he is wrong. The media has been claiming since the election ended that President Trump’s claims of voter fraud are ‘baseless’ and ‘without evidence’. That just is not true. The President’s lawyer gave examples of it during today’s press conference at the Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington DC. But everyone is too busy mocking him to pay attention. I tried to listen to what Giuliani actually said and not what he looked like or the characterization of him by the rest of the media. The cameras started feverishly clicking the first time he wiped the sweat from his face, all but guaranteeing that would be the focus of the presser.

Giuliani did in fact present evidence of voter fraud today but many people simply didn’t want to hear it. He cited multiple Americans, one by name, who have signed sworn affidavits stating that they witness some type of fraud, whether it was pro-Trump ballots being thrown out without cause, ballots being backdated to before the election, poll workers being told not to ask voters for identification, and more. As Giuliani helpfully pointed out, affidavits are considered ‘evidence’ in a court case. Whether you agree or disagree with them is a different question. And it’s reasonable that not all of the people who signed their names would be willing to go public. If you want to hear more of the evidence that was presented, just watch the first hour or so of the press conference.

The more difficult — and crucial — question is whether Trump’s legal team has enough witnesses or other evidence to actually overturn the election in court. That is what journalists should be addressing. But it is simply wrong for the media to assert there is NO evidence of fraud. I felt like I was living in a different reality when we moved into the question-and-answer portion of the presser and reporters repeatedly demanded Giuliani ‘give us the evidence’. Trump campaign legal adviser Jenna Ellis was right when she said that ‘court cases take time to build and to try. This is not an episode of Law & Order’. I did not feel entirely satisfied by what was presented at the presser, but I am intrigued enough to want the process to play out properly in court. Any honest American should want the same. This is not a trial by media — we cannot expect a legal team to unveil all of their evidence before they get their day in court. It is too early to dismiss Giuliani’s efforts as a mere clown show.

Tucker Sidney Powell

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“An unholy union of the National Security State and the neocon-backed and corporate-funded Democratic Party are about to assume power: with media-supported internet censorship a key weapon.”

The New Ruling Coalition: Opposition to Afghanistan Withdrawal (Greenwald)

The Trump era has engendered numerous fractures, one might say realignments, in the political order. Long-time ideological allies are now adversaries, and long-time political enemies are now in full-fledged coalitions. These shifts are not temporary or Trump-dependent but enduring, because they are grounded in shared core beliefs about the defining debates shaping our new politics and how to consolidate real power: call it the Lincoln Project Syndrome. One major reason for this transformation is a fundamental difference in how to understand Trump: is he the primary author of America’s pathologies or merely a symptom of pathologies which long pre-dated him?

Relatedly: is removing Trump from power a vital step in returning the U.S. to its previous status as a benevolent and law-abiding republic, or is isolating him as the principal cause of the nation’s woes a cynical propaganda tactic for whitewashing the sins of those who are actually responsible so that they can rebuild their reputations and again assume power? Were Trump’s policies some radical, unprecedented aberration from U.S. political tradition or, stylistic quirks aside, a standard continuation of it? How one answers those questions — along with whether one believed that the Kremlin had infiltrated the White House and assumed command of the levers of U.S. power through elaborate blackmail schemes or whether one recognized that this was a CIA-fabricated propaganda fraud excavated from crusty Cold War scripts — determined where one fell on many of the most contentious political debates over the last four years (my answer to all of the questions is the latter choice).

That’s why the millions of Americans who, due to fear of Trump, began paying close attention to politics and consuming news products only in 2016 were such easy marks for peddling fear-mongering narratives and revisionism: because they lacked the crucial historical context in which to place Trump and understand his ascension to the presidency. But there is another critical debate, one that has rarely been conducted explicitly, that is also a key determinant of where one falls in this new alignment: what are the real power centers in the U.S., the ones most responsible for its worst acts and greatest dangers?

There are many places where that answer resides. One can find it right now in the ongoing effort to denounce the Trump White House for attempting to remove troops from Afghanistan, where the U.S. has been fighting and shooting and bombing in a war now about to enter its 20th year. Take a look at who is demanding that those troops remain, and there you will find the real axis of power — all of its component parts — in the United States.

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“..at 82 years old he is probably getting impatient about the progress towards his personal vision of ultimate power.”

The Global Reset Scam (Macleod)

Increasingly, people are beginning to realise that their world is undergoing a period of rapid change, with the future of fiat money now uncertain. For most, it is too difficult to even contemplate. But growing uncertainties are driving wild speculation about what those in authority now have in store for the human race in the form of a global reset. It is a time for conspiracy theorists, aided and abetted by our politicians and central bankers who are being increasingly evasive, because events are spiralling out of their control. Then there is America’s Deep State, or the British equivalent, the more recently christened Blob; an amorphous entity comprised of the permanent bureaucracy with its own agenda. These faceless planners have moved on from merely making ministers’ lives difficult if they deviate from the blob’s predetermined course — immortalised in “Yes Minister” and its sequel series “Yes Prime Minister”.

As we saw with Brexit, The Blob has been rigging political outcomes, even conniving in elections. Christopher Steele, an ex-MI6 officer produced a dodgy dossier on Trump to influence the American presidential election in 2016. But there is no such thing as an ex-MI6 Agent because of the Official Secrets Act, so we can only conclude that the intelligence arm of The Blob sanctioned it on a distanced basis. MI6 works with other intelligence agencies under the five-eyes agreement and is close to the CIA. Though they do not necessarily share intelligence, it is impossible to conceive of Steele’s role in influencing the outcome of a US presidential election without the CIA’s knowledge. Almost certainly, the fact that it was commissioned must have been with the CIA’s blessing.

At the time of writing, we do not know the outcome of the current presidential election, but enough doubt has been thrown on the validity of the voting process to implicate unknown parties in managing the outcome. It can never be proved, but for increasing numbers of sceptics it looks like a Deep State operation. It is therefore hardly surprising that conspiracies abound. The most prominent of these conspiracies has hit the headlines in recent weeks. Its ambition is to take the lead in resetting the world by dismantling the capitalist system in favour of a greater technocratic rule — a fourth industrial revolution no less, even planting microchips in humans to read their brains and control them. The leader is one Klaus Schwab, whose World Economic Forum runs the annual Davos bunfight.

As leader of the Davos forum, Schwab probably sees himself as the coordinator of world government. If so, at 82 years old he is probably getting impatient about the progress towards his personal vision of ultimate power. The covid chaos and the success of his climate change agenda must be encouraging him to think he is very close to a breakthrough. Alternatively, we might consider Schwab as a latter-day Charles Fourier (1772—1837), the utopian socialist philosopher, whose forgotten ideals were only marginally more narcissistic and bizarre than Schwab’s.

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“..his moves to get into bed with politicians representing a section of Israeli society he has long characterized as the enemy..”

Netanyahu Seeks To Cement Permanent Rule By Israel’s Far-right (Cook)

Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, is only weeks away from the scheduled start of his long-awaited corruption trial – the endgame in a series of investigations that have been looming over him for years. As a result, he has been taking extraordinary measures to save his political skin. One of the most surprising is his moves to get into bed with politicians representing a section of Israeli society he has long characterized as the enemy. In recent weeks Netanyahu has been working overtime to prise apart the Joint List, a coalition of 15 legislators in the parliament who represent Israel’s large Palestinian minority. In particular, he has been making strenuous overtures to Mansour Abbas, head of the United Arab List, a conservative Islamic party.

This is a dramatic about-face. Netanyahu’s political trademark over the past five years has been incessant incitement against Israel’s Palestinian minority – one in five of the population. These 1.8 million citizens are the remnants inside Israel of the Palestinian people, the vast majority of whom were ethnically cleansed from their homeland in 1948, in events Palestinians call their Nakba, or Catastrophe. Netanyahu appears to hope that sabotaging the Joint List will offer him short-term help as he seeks to evade his trial. But there may be a longer-term electoral dividend too. Destroying the Joint List, now the third largest party in the Israeli parliament, would remove the main stumbling block on the path to permanent rule by the far-right coalition he dominates.

Israel’s Palestinian parties – like the minority they represent – have always been regarded as illegitimate political actors within a self-declared Jewish state. Israeli politicians, including Netanyahu, regularly depict them as a “fifth column” or “supporters of terror”. The Palestinian parties have never been invited into any of the regular coalition governments that rule Israel. The closest they have been to power was when they propped up the government of Yitzhak Rabin – very much from the outside – in the early 1990s. Even then the arrangement was implemented out of necessity: it was the only way Rabin could get the “Oslo peace process” legislation through the parliament over the opposition of a majority of Jewish legislators.

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Not sure what to make of this.

Comedians Rate Journalist Humor (Taibbi)

The Trump years were supposed to be a golden age for humor in journalism. There were tens of thousands of jokes about Trump. In fact, the grotesque cartoon of the blob in orange with a teeny Mario Kart knoblet — fat Trump in diapers, fat Trump as Jabba the Hut, fat Trump waving ICBMs at Kim Jong-Un and saying, “Mine’s Bigger” — became almost a mandatory element in op-ed pages of major dailies. It was other genres that took a hit. By the weeks before the election, even the New York Times was running features about how Trump “ruined political comedy,” as funny-for-funny’s sake gave way to the humor of political intent. The Times noted that one of the few success stories during the last four years was Trevor Noah of the Daily Show, who got there via “observational humor coupled with declarations of broader progressive values.”


Humor decoupled from Trump or “broader progressive values” grew rarer over the last four years, to the point where the last attempts left involved gentle puns in ledes and headlines, and the occasional apolitical burn by a critic in an inside section. TK sat down with Comedy Cellar owner Noam Dworman and longtime standup artist Tim Dillon, a regular on the Joe Rogan Show whose eponymous podcast is a hit. Some may recognize Dillon as the comedian who co-piloted a recent Rogan episode with Alex Jones. Asked if there were uncomfortable moments on the show, Dillon explained, “I don’t know that there are comfortable moments.” He laughed. “It’s hard to be funny, because you’ll say something crazy and Alex will just be like, ‘That’s a good point.’”

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They’re killing off your culture. You’re being cancelled.

BBC Edits Out ‘Derogatory’ Words In ‘Fairytale Of New York’ (RT)

The BBC was pilloried online after one of its radio stations decided to start playing an edited version of the beloved Christmas song ‘Fairytale of New York’ out of fear that an old-fashioned lyric would offend young listeners.
The 1987 song was first recorded and performed as a duet between Celtic folk punk band the Pogues and British singer Kirsty MacColl. “We know the song is considered a Christmas classic and we will continue to play it this year, with our radio stations choosing the version of the song most relevant for their audience,” the BBC said on Thursday. BBC Radio 1, which is mostly geared towards young people, said it will play an edited version of the song because its young listeners are “particularly sensitive to derogatory terms for gender and sexuality.”

The station further argued that people unfamiliar with the track “would find some of the words stark and not in line with what they would expect to hear on air.” In the lyrics, which are sung in the form of a dialogue between an alcoholic and a heroin addict, the homophobic slur “f****t” will be replaced with “haggard,” while another word will be removed entirely. The Scotsman newspaper reported that the word “slut” will be muted. BBC said its Radio 2 station, which targets a more mature audience, will continue to play the unedited version and “monitor listeners’ views.” The broadcaster’s Radio 6 Music, which specializes in alternative music, will play both versions at the “discretion” of individual DJs.

The track was briefly censored on BBC Radio 1 in 2007, but the station quickly resumed playing the original after receiving complaints from listeners. The decision to edit the song now was likewise widely slammed online as “ridiculous” and “pathetic.”“Like our delicate ears will bleed if the BBC doesn’t save us from hurty words,” one person tweeted. Some called the move “patronising,”arguing that it is not up to the broadcaster to “edit our music and art,” while others blasted the decision as “political correctness gone mad” and said more people were offended by the censorship than the song.

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  • #65816

    Paul Klee Girl in Mourning 1939   • The End of the Pandemic Is Now in Sight (Zhang) • 1 Million Chinese Injected With Sinopharm Vaccine In Emerge
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle November 20 2020]

    #65818

    Boogaloo, I don’t know what you were trying yesterday, but this will never work:

    Okay, I am trying to post two images from the weekly report posted on the Korea CDC website. If this works, I will comment in the next post.

    First:
    “img src=”//” alt=”ILI Surveillance” /”

    Second:
    “img src=”//” alt=”Confirmed Influenza” /”

    Of course, the first and last ” must be a < and >, but it won’t show anything in a comment without substituting them.

    Like wise for this code: “img src=”http://www.kdca.go.kr/board/board.es?mid=a30504000000&bid=0033http://” alt=”Weekly Report” /”

    A jpg file will have to end in .jpg.

    #65819

    oldandtired
    Participant

    They’re killing off your culture. You’re being cancelled.

    Raul, re this and your previous post. I was in a classroom last month, filled with 5th graders. The class notes said that the leader for the day would lead in the flag,salute, and, If I chose to, the class could then sing along with a “patriotic song” chosen from her play list. I chose “Yankee Doodle Dandy”. Not to be mean, but, well, maybe. Fifth graders and Yankee Doodle Dandy? In this day and age?

    They sang. They knew the words by heart. All 5 verses! I didn’t know there were five verses! I was expecting Jimmy Cagney to burst through the classroom door and dance across their desktops. I had tears in my eyes when they finished.

    Their conduct was deplorable. See what I just did there? Heh,heh.

    There are some teachers and a school keeping our culture alive. I can attest to that.

    #65820

    Basseterre Kitona
    Participant

    mRNA vaccines may sound like a great new breakthrough but it is also worth remembering the dangers too. This would be the first use of mRNA vaccine so in theory we should proceed with extra caution…instead, it has been rushed through without the usually step of animal testing and without long term observation of human effects. And some people want to make this vaccine mandatory for everybody? That’s insanely dangerous.

    Given that an mRNA technology is basically messing with our DNA, a more prudent course would be to deploy it towards the vulnerable elderly population first. They are most vulnerable and also because of advanced age least susceptible to long term risks. Moreover, they are past child-bearing age and given that we have no idea how mRNA tinkering might play out in future generations it would again be dangerous to mandate that young healthy people accept the injection given that their immediate risk of death by cars-cov-2 is near zero and on par with traditional influenza.

    As I understand it, the Russian vaccine utilizes more traditional vaccine technology. If forced to do it, I’d much prefer to opt for the Russian version than become a guinea pig for Moderna & Pfizer’s frankenstein experimentation. But hopefully we don’t reach the tyranny of forced immunizations.

    Oh…and Bongo Biden is genius ! Need more of that.

    #65825

    Tutorial question, anyone.

    When I try to link something this is what I do: I type a sentence “Here’s another try to link something.”
    I highlight the word “something”. I press link in the comment menu. The window comes up. I paste the url in the window and press “add link”.
    The comment window shows code in my sentence where the word “something” was. I hit submit and the comment disappears.
    What am I doing wrong?
    What am I doing wrong?

    #65826

    I’d much prefer to opt for the Russian version than become a guinea pig for Moderna & Pfizer’s frankenstein experimentation.

    What I was thinking. Only, we won’t get to have that choice. Sputnik V, from what I understand, was built on a foundation that goes back at least 20 years.

    The whole culture of demonizing anything Russian or Chinese is endangering us.

    #65827

    sumac.carol
    Participant

    The COVID 19 RNA Vaccine According to Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Dr. Rashid Buttar, and Del Bigtree


    Having trouble posting today.
    It would be interesting to hear Taleb’s take on this vaccine, since he is do cautious around genetic modification.

    #65828

    Okay. I just watched Klaus Schwab tell us that there will be a cyberattack which will dwarf the virus in its dire implications.
    Is Schwab for real? Central casting couldn’t have come up with a better villain- I half expect his artificial hand to try to choke him, a la Dr. Strangelove.
    Meanwhile, on Deagel, he feels there will be a nuclear war in the coming decade. US is still on track to lose 70% of its population. I get the feeling he thinks the virus has shown the US to be a silly, addlepated, authoritarian culture which will make easy pickings for an aggressor.

    Powell says that the servers in Germany were indeed seized, but she can’t say if it was by the “good guys” or the “bad guys”.

    I would prefer to opt out of all of the vaccines.

    #65829

    Mr. House
    Participant

    @myparentssaidknow

    He’s telling you what comes next because the virus has not scared us enough. Also the NTY is now saying “the great reset” is a conspiracy theory even though it tells you exactly what they’re planning on the WEFs website.

    #65833

    zerosum
    Participant

    (trouble posting)

    #65835

    zerosum
    Participant

    “The whole culture of demonizing anything Russian or Chinese is endangering us.
    Strange silence in the west about Chinese and Russian vaccines.”

    “Until now, all our progress, from research to clinical trials to production and emergency use, we have been leading the world,” Liu Jingzhen,
    China has officially surpassed Russia in the vaccination race,
    Russian President Vladimir Putin even claimed earlier this year that one of his adult daughters had been inoculated in one of the early-stage trials for the vaccine developed by the Gamaleya Institute.

    Turkey will be the second buyer of Chinese vaccines, after Brazil.

    German vaccine maker CureVac ramps up capacity to 300 million COVID-19 doses in 2021
    Last Updated: Nov. 18, 2020

    Meanwhile in the USA, the dollar speaks the loudest

    Demand is highest for nurses, who make up the largest part of the clinical workforce. As a result, pay rates are increasing for those willing to travel to areas with the highest demand. Aftosmes said some hospitals are paying as much as $80 to $150 an hour to fill nursing positions. The typical hourly wage for registered nurses is about $35.

    #65836

    Susmarie108
    Participant

    People, I just want to say, you know, can we all get along? ~ Sally Field

    Laughing TOGETHER we can!

    Thanks for Bongo Biden/Groovy Trump/Cool Cat video.

    LOVE the Art of Sound – or is it the Sound of Art video as well. There is a whole gallery of his work hanging in the background. Amazing. Reminds me of the sound/water crystals art from Dr. Emoto.

    Am I the only one struggling with the Paul Klee art? (Not in a bad way, just noticing discomfort). First it was the colors – as those peach blue-grey pieces were unsettling, the detail interesting and complex. And then the very intense GREEN background holding the almost primitive blue-eyed Soul. Today heavy black outlines and contrast producing a distinct feeling of being trapped in the past. The art is succeeding or dare I say WINNING me over!

    #65837

    zerosum
    Participant

    (I removed the http links and the posting worked)

    #65838

    Mr. House
    Participant

    @zerozum

    Interesting that a democrat constituency is getting a big pay bump during this crisis. What about all those essential workers, nah they just get ads thanking them for being cannon fodder. If only they’d gone to college, essential to becoming a member of that democrat constituency.

    #65840

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    What do the Russian vaccine (Sputnik V), the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine, the Moderna vaccine, and the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine all have in common? They all introduce some Covid-19 spike protein genetic material into the body.

    The Russian vaccine uses an adenovirus vector (and DNA) to deliver the genetic material. So does the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine. “The Russian vaccine is based on two human adenovirus vectors (Ad5 and Ad26), whereas the Oxford vaccine uses a chimp [adenovirus] vector (ChAdOx).”

    The Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines use mRNA to get the spike protein genetic material into the body. This involves “the use of lipid nanoparticle envelopes to deliver the mRNA cytoplasmically, i.e. directly into the cell.”

    Both of these approaches (viral vectors using DNA, and mRNA delivered with lipid nanoparticles) involve some tradeoffs.

    Both approaches have had limited success as vaccine platforms, and neither is currently approved for use as a vaccine. They both depend on nucleic acids that encode the target antigen, but differ in their delivery. Viral vectors can enter the cell using viral mechanisms, allowing for high-fidelity production of antigens. However, they can also cause immunogenic responses, or cancers if they adhere to the wrong genes. mRNA delivery depends on the use of lipid nanoparticle envelopes to deliver the mRNA cytoplasmically, i.e. directly into the cell.

    LNP [Lipid NanoParticle] delivery is a more novel technique, which currently cannot match the cellular adhesion efficiency of the long-evolved mechanisms employed by viruses. However, once inside the cell mRNA is capable of being directly translated in the cytoplasm, whereas DNA plasmids must be translated via the nucleus back to the cytoplasm. This allows mRNA to produce more antigens from smaller doses, but DNA tends to produce a longer-lasting antigenic effect.

    https://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=56577.php

    #65842

    Noirette
    Participant

    The video of Biden, Trump and the Cat was great fun. The Trump figure was really well done, most of the work I guess.

    More Bongo Biden requested ..

    The original musician (Biden mug-shot pasted on) is Bilal Göregen, in Turkey, this link is to Youtube:

    https://bit.ly/332NaZe

    Bilal definetly deserves applause for providing the original. Blind plus other handicaps. His channel:

    https://www.youtube.com/bilalgoregen

    #65843

    zerosum
    Participant

    Keep out – Battle of the titans

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/did-mnuchin-shoot-powell-back
    Did Mnuchin Shoot Powell In The Back?
    “Treasury Secretary Mnuchin upset the markets yesterday when he announced that a number of the Fed’s special lending facilities should be terminated by the end of the year.”
    ” … the urgency of a new fiscal stimulus package, “unfortunately, Congress goes on vacation next week. Probably tired from doing nothing the past six months, at least when measured in terms of providing additional fiscal stimulus. On top of that, the Treasury Secretary wants his money back from the Fed.”

    In this context of slowing growth, Mnuchin requested the expiration of the Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility, the Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility, the Municipal Lending Facility, the Main Street Lending Program, and the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility by December 31.
    At the same time, he wants the Commercial Paper Funding Facility, the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility, the Primary Dealer Credit Facility, and the Paycheck Protection Program Liquidity Facility be kept in place for an additional 90 days. (Close to 20 Jan2021)
    Moreover, she adds, terminating the programs on Dec. 31 means they may be tougher to restart under the new Biden Administration 20 days later. New funds will need Congressional authorization, though JPMorgan’s Mike Feroli said the incoming Treasury Secretary could agree to restart the facilities with pre-CARES Act cash available in the department’s Exchange Stabilization Fund, which he puts at just over $70 billion. ( sorry, he wants any cash not spent returned. Door to corporate welfare being closed. No more fed. republican money for the democrats (Nancy, Biden))

    #65844

    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Covid-19 vaccine side effects?

    This summer, Luke Hutchison, a Massachusetts Institute of Technology–educated computational biologist, volunteered for a trial of Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine. After he got the second injection, his arm immediately swelled up to the size of a “goose egg,” Hutchison says. He can’t be sure he got the vaccine and not a placebo, but within a few hours, the healthy then-43-year-old was beset by bone and muscle aches and a 38.9°C fever that felt, he says, “unbearable.” “I started shaking. I had cold and hot rushes,” he says. “I was sitting by the phone all night long thinking: ‘Should I call 911?’”

    Hutchison’s symptoms resolved after 12 hours. But, he says, “Nobody prepared me for the severity of this.” He says the public should be better prepared than he was, because a subset of people may face intense, if transient, side effects, called reactogenicity, from Moderna’s vaccine. Some health experts agree.

    “Somebody needs to address the elephant: What about vaccine reactogenicity?…

    Fewer than 2% of recipients of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines developed severe fevers of 39°C to 40°C. But if the companies win U.S. Food and Drug Administration approvals, they’re aiming to supply vaccine to 35 million people in the United States by the end of December. If 2% experienced severe fever, that would be 700,000 people.

    Other transient side effects would likely affect even more people. The independent board that conducted the interim analysis of Moderna’s huge trial found that severe side effects included fatigue in 9.7% of participants, muscle pain in 8.9%, joint pain in 5.2%, and headache in 4.5%. For the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine, the numbers were lower: Severe side effects included fatigue (3.8%) and headache (2%).

    That’s a higher rate of severe reactions than people may be accustomed to. “This is higher reactogenicity than is ordinarily seen with most flu vaccines, even the high-dose ones,” says Arnold Monto, an epidemiologist at the University of Michigan School of Public Health.

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/11/fever-aches-pfizer-moderna-jabs-aren-t-dangerous-may-be-intense-some

    References about the Russian vaccine (Sputnik V)

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31866-3/fulltext

    https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3270

    #65845

    madamski
    Participant

    “Okay. I just watched Klaus Schwab tell us that there will be a cyberattack which will dwarf the virus in its dire implications.”

    Low-hanging fruit. We’ve been warned (more or less correctly) for decades of cyberattack prospects. In a way, we rehearsed the concept via Y2K. Whether we do it “to ourselves” or foreign entities do, hardly matters. An enemy is an enemy, and our government long ago became our enemy. Not sure I can think of a time when I’d call it a friend, either.

    Thx, Noirette.

    #65846

    Dr. D
    Participant

    Fox’s @KristinFisher: “So much of what Giuliani said was simply not true”

    We know this for a fact because we can prove a negative, and we haven’t looked and never will. QED.

    So they wanted a conference because they kept saying “without evidence” when there’s never been more evidence of a crime in the last 200 years. So they presented the intent of the case, however, to a court and public well-engineered these last 200 years to be the cast of “Idiocracy.”
    “How come ya got no evidence n’ s—t?”

    “Um, because we don’t give evidence and try the case in the MEDIA we give evidence and try cases in COURT, you morons.” To the usual jeers such as: “I’ll evidence my foot up your -ss,” and, “Your honor, I object that his hair looks stupid.”

    “Why didn’t ya’ll tell us exactly what you’re doing and who’s kids in Michigan we need to threaten to kill – on camera — to change the vote. I mean duh.”

    …Yeah. Idiocracy was not an instruction manual. The ACTUAL instruction manual describes how to log in an admin in 60 seconds, then drag-and-drop the Trump votes to the Recycle Bin. No joke. But there was no need. Voter Monitor on record as saying the machines were always online to the internet, and Dominion’s top execs were on site in Detroit to make sure everything went correctly.

    Anyway, who cares? We’re all on the crazy train now and can’t jump off at this speed. It’s going where it’s going: USSC, then House of Reps.

    Looking at last week, captioned “When everyone starts saying the same thing, I grab hold of my wallet”
    BBBRated
    https://keeb.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/125828658_995484487639422_2179037348433204227_n.jpg

    In this case, they are both planning Headless Green Horseman’s ride, which they’ve been trying since Al Gore invested in Green Tech planning on Fed $$$ buying his companies, then AGW, then…aw heck I can’t keep track. Always a new excuse to hand “bailout” or “Stimulus” money to golfing pals, and shut off gas and home heating oil in Fargo. …We’ll just do it for no reason at all! Like we did Flint’s water!

    But in this case: Protesters are amazingly adherent to locations that cities wish to erase and urban-redevelop. If elsewhere Lo! The police can stop them! If in these areas bought or wanted to buy by BlackRock billionaires, Lo! Riots and Arson with chiseled umbrella-toting-gym-rats smashing windows “on behalf” of the community.

    Part 3: Profit! That’s here: AFTER you have the maniacs you either allowed or salted in burn down the neighborhood you want to buy, THEN you have “Biden et Co., Worldwide LLC” use tax dollars to “Rebuild”! …Rebuild your own stolen house and business, now owned by billionaires that used to be owned by you, small business, AND using your, small business-destroyed tax dollars.

    It’s a story as old as the United States itself. Which is fair, because we got it from Europe, where it harks back as far as the Domus Aurea, 64AD. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domus_Aurea It just Haaaaaaaaapened that all the land Nero wanted and was owned by his competitors and rich Senators, all just burned down in a city fire. Happens all the time! Especially to Italians.

    So you want to know where your money went, why there’s no healthcare, you’ve been evicted, and you’re in a 10-mile food line while living in your Chrysler, you’re welcome.

    I even did it in picture form.

    Unscientific? Insanely dangerous? Totally that is what we’re going to do. Without asking. Or shoot arrest you in front of your kids. mRNA re-writes your DNA? Yeah, might want to Google boards who are a lot less trusting as to the bad, even inhuman, plans they are concerned will result from a vaccine that rewrites human DNA. Sounds far-out until you listen to 10 minutes of Klaus Schwab’s public speeches.

    What was that Rev 6:8 yesterday? Might want to finish the book. Then unlike “Idiocracy”, prevent it for once. There’s still time.

    #65847

    Mr. House
    Participant

    ” An enemy is an enemy, and our government long ago became our enemy.”

    Truth!

    #65848

    Dr. D
    Participant

    “John Kerry Says ‘Great Reset’ Is Needed To Stop Rise Of Populism”

    But wait! This doesn’t exist! It’s a Conspiracy theory now since Justin and John and Klaus said it on camera, and the WEF erased their own comments off their site. It is, it isn’t, it is, it isn’t. Schrodinger’s Choose-your-own-Reality a la carte.

    #65849

    zerosum
    Participant

    What’s coming
    “John Kerry Says ‘Great Reset’ Is Needed To Stop Rise Of Populism”
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/john-kerry-says-great-reset-needed-stop-rise-populism

    “The Great Reset” is merely the latest incarnation of the agenda to centralize power into the hands of a tiny elite, disenfranchising Americans, lowering their living standards and forcing them to submit to a social credit score system that will eliminate all privacy and personal autonomy.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/theres-plenty-firepower-left-mnuchin-defends-decision-end-feds-emergency-lending-programs
    ( sorry, he wants any cash not spent to be returned. Door to corporate welfare being closed. No more fed. republican money for the democrats (Nancy, Biden). You cannot use my programs. Make your own programs to save the states, the municipalities, the education, the health system, etc..)

    After the mainstream press accused the Trump Administration of trying to “sabotage” the Biden Administration by closing out a handful of Fed lending programs that were seeded with money from the Treasury earlier this year, Secretary Mnuchin appeared on CNBC Friday morning for a lengthy phone interview with Jim Cramer. Mnuchin requested the expiration of the Primary Market Corporate Credit Facility, the Secondary Market Corporate Credit Facility, the Municipal Lending Facility, the Main Street Lending Program, and the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility by December 31. At the same time, he wants the Commercial Paper Funding Facility, the Money Market Mutual Fund Liquidity Facility, the Primary Dealer Credit Facility, and the Paycheck Protection Program Liquidity Facility be kept in place for an additional 90 days.

    What is coming is not what you want.- poverty, hunger, despair, sickness, etc.
    The enablers/politicians will not take care of you before they take care of themselves.

    #65850

    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/new-senate-docs-confirm-troubling-biden-family-links-china-russia
    New Senate Docs ‘Confirm’ Troubling Biden Family Links To China, Russia

    five-page report which included 65 pages of evidence.

    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2020-11-18%20HSGAC%20-%20Fina
    nce%20Joint%20Report%20Supplemental.pdf

    MSM will attempt to suffocate out of existence – particularly if Republicans (and their investigative committees) lose the Senate after January’s runoff in Georgia.

    #65851

    Noirette
    Participant

    More of us offended by your censorship’: BBC slammed online for editing out ‘derogatory’ words in popular Christmas song.

    https://www.rt.com/uk/507171-bbc-edits-christmas-song-fairytale/

    All this banning of some words, aka linguistic policing, damning even some words comedic, ironic or ‘quoted’ uses, etc. as being ‘racist’ or ‘harmful’ or ‘illegitimate,’ even ‘dangerous’ etc. is an effort at censorship and control, in an area where it very easy to do. Can’t break my bones is denied.

    Promulgating or demanding the use of Politically Correct Language has been a smooth avenue for the overlords since ..? It signals a fear of open speech, a submissiveness easily encouraged, an open avenue for demonising, denoucing, those who use ‘nefarious words’ or ‘insults’ aka who voice, transmit unwelcome, contesting, radical, opposing, etc. messages.

    The trick is that the condemnation is focussed on the form, which ppl should *fear*, ex. using the n-word is like a bomb, leading to banning. Thereby to obscure, denigrate, or dismiss, the substance.

    In the article, justification is, because its young listeners are particularly sensitive to derogatory terms for gender and sexuality! – what a joke.

    #65852

    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘We need to protect the free speech of dissident doctors’-
    The Covid Physician on how we can protect our civil liberties in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic’:

    “..Weaselly Covid marshals in hi-vis vests now bark aggressively at me, telling me to “stand back!” and “cover your nose!”. I have stopped resisting or trying to placate them with reason. I have stopped trying to reassure them that I am a doctor. Their brows furrow: a dissident doctor is either not really a doctor, or is the worst kind of scum.

    We live in a strange world where minority activists campaign for commercial euthanasia: a world in which a select number of elected and unelected individuals dictate that 100 per cent of us are not allowed the liberty of taking the 0.06 per cent risk of a cost-free, natural death from a respiratory illness (a very common terminal event) at an average age of 82 years old. This is utter insanity while younger, fitter people commit suicide at rising rates under repressive lockdown restrictions, economies collapse, and other debilitating diseases continue to crush, kill and incapacitate the other 99.94 per cent..”

    https://thecritic.co.uk/we-need-to-protect-the-free-speech-of-dissident-doctors/

    Almost like it’s all been long planned..

    -Bill7

    #65853

    anticlimactic
    Participant

    VACCINE

    Hungary was looking to source vaccine from Russia and China. The EU informed them that only EU approved vaccines could be used and that did NOT include Russian and Chinese vaccines!

    What still isn’t clear to me is how effective the vaccines will be : various reports suggest the antibodies will disappear in 2 to 6 months. I think I read that at least some vaccines can only be used once.

    It worries me that AstraZeneca have demanded legal immunity against being sued for side-effects. Not sure if other companies require the same immunity.

    Hopefully the vaccines will be used first on all members of the government(s) and their families.

    #65864

    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Dr. Fauci Says Vaccine Skeptics Pose A Serious Threat To Public Health”

    Wait just a minute here: Cuomo said he was an anti-vaxxer and would never take one from the FDA. Is Fauc-U going to take back his glowing recommendation of NY now, worst-state-in-the-world? Nah. That’d be logic.

    So we have a vaccine created in 6 months and never tested on humans or animals. Sign me up! What could go wrong? When has science ever failed before?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankenstein Also 200 years ago.

    #65866

    The EU informed them that only EU approved vaccines could be used and that did NOT include Russian and Chinese vaccines!

    I’d go for Sputnik V in a heartbeat.

    #65867

    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Why vaccinate a million Chinese against Covid-19 when according to the CCP China has been virtually free of the disease since March 2019 ?

    Just askin’ is all.

    #65868

    WES
    Participant

    Having been out of touch with the world by going to the cottage, i missed most of the presidential election madness.

    Now that I am reconnected to the internet, I have some questions about what really happened.

    Trump supposedly increased his vote count by over 10 million from 2016 with increases in every group, blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc. Trump was met by large crowds everywhere he went.

    Biden supposedly hid in his basement, did very little campaigning, was never met by any crowds at all, never generated any voter excitement, never inspired any campaign volunteers, yet easily managed to surpass Obama’s vote totals and increased total US voter turnout from the usual 60% to 72%!

    Can anyone logically explain this?

    #65869

    Bill7
    Participant

    > Can anyone logically explain this?

    It’s not supposed to make sense: it’s supposed to make you/us crazy as f*ck, as with the ever-contradictory,
    ever-changing edicts from those who [illegitimately] rule us: “Wear a mask! / don’t wear a mask! / wear a mask! / stay the F*ck home! / go protest for BLM™/Antifa!! / stay the F*ck home!; and so on, until one/we give up
    in despair.. (no, I’m not going to do that, thanks).

    #65870

    WES
    Participant

    I get that US elections are always rigged.

    Mark Twain complained over a 100 years ago about how the dead rose to vote on election night. He also said the proper way to bury a Democrat was face down so that on election night, they would dig themselves deeper and not be able to vote on election night.

    As Stalin said it only matters who does the counting. Mark Twain refers to election “night” not “day” for a good reason! The real action on voting day occurs at “night”!

    H

    #65871

    WES
    Participant

    So if you want to commit the perfect crime, it is very important that nobody … look.

    The MSM are all saying there is no evidence that the 2020 election was stolen. Obviously they don’t want anybody to look that the election was … stolen.

    So if I rob a bank and you don’t look, then I didn’t rob the bank, … iright!

    #65872

    WES
    Participant

    On the bright side, the 2020 election was the most “Green” election ever!

    No trees had to be cut down to stuff the ballot boxes.8.

    Digital votes were generated instead to steal the election!

    #65873

    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Another anecdotal data-point:

    I was on the phone with my mom last night. My cousin (mid-40s F, dad’s side) is self-inflicted T2 diabetic, very bad (other immediate family likewise). A few days ago she suffered kidney failure. Time for dialysis. But there’s a catch. The hospital has taken no action yet because “…we need the space for COVID patients.”

    So, a kind, dog-loving, food-cooking person who is now critically dancing on Death’s fuzzy doormat will exit this world much sooner.

    But “…we need the space for COVID patients.” And my mom spit this out like it was the most normal and rational thing in the world. I wanted to punch a hole through my wall when I heard her say that.

    Also, re: mRNA anything – We don’t have the technical chops to use it safely. We are a long way from that point. The reason they are all gooey over mRNA is because it really is the ‘holy grail’ of genetic engineering. There are 2 very good Niven stories on RNA: The Fourth Profession (somewhat optimistic and fantasy, quite funny) and World Out Of Time (near-future dystopia, The State controls everything, defrosts frozen convicts as needed and ‘re-educates’ them with RNA pills).

    Lastly, Bill Gates is a eugenicist of software, leaving a trail of broken and burned projects wherever he sllithers. I have little doubt that this attitude colors his other ‘human relations’ activities.

    #65874

    WES
    Participant

    Thomas: So sorry to hear about your Mother. She is in a no win situation just as both of my parents were with cancer. Maybe what your Mother said is just her way of putting on a brave face to deal with the current (un)reality.

    Unfortunately it seems politicians everywhere need to do “something ” even if it is to make a bad situation even worst.

    My wife just informed me that Ontario has issued a total lock down for Toronto due to the virus. They are concerned that the virus will overload their government run health care system! So we all have to pay for their incompetence!

    #65875

    “…federal law protects vaccine makers from product-liability lawsuits that are filed in state courts and seek damages for injuries or death attributed to a vaccine
    “…the Supreme Court explained that the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 (NCVIA or Act) preempts all design-defect claims against vaccine manufacturers brought by plaintiffs seeking compensation for injury or death caused by a vaccine’s side effects.
    “This conclusion is supported by the fact that, although products-liability law establishes three grounds for liability—defective manufacture, inadequate directions or warnings, and defective design—the Act mentions only manufacture and warnings. It thus seems that the Act’s failure to mention design-defect liability is “by deliberate choice, not inadvertence.”

    This is from “The Supreme Court Rules in Favor of Protecting Vaccine Makers from State Lawsuits” from the website (dotcom) policymed , updated may 2018.

    Mr. House- yes, Klaus is 100% doom and shining gloom.

    #65876

    a kullervo
    Participant

    Greetings,

    A quick glance at human History shows those imposing the most insane and inane measures invariably fall prey of their own hubris; I know this is small comfort, vis-à-vis the orders of magnitude of sheer misery they spread around – you will have to forgive me: small comfort’s all there is now on offer.

    #65877

    anticlimactic
    Participant

    ‘Humour’

    For a while now political ‘humour’ has devolved to comedians saying untrue, unflattering and unfunny things about Trump [round of cheers and applause].

    If Trump goes what happens to them? They may have to start being funny! However there are so many things you are no longer allowed to joke about they may find it a struggle.

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