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On Thursday, an internal CDC slide deck was “leaked”. On Friday, an “official” document was presented. The first is more interesting, because it contains things that are ostensibly not meant for public consumption (how to present…). The second is made up of a lot of official looking terminology. What else? But both largely say the same thing: there is no difference between the infection rates of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. Of course that is then dressed up again in calls to get vaccinated, they can’t help themselves…

In colorful language such as “the war has changed” and “Delta spreads as easily as chickenpox”, the CDC tries very hard to undermine -even deny- it own findings. The slide deck is here:

Improving Communications Around Vaccine Breakthrough And Vaccine Effectiveness

CNN commented:

“The document – a slide presentation – outlines unpublished data that shows fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people..”

The New York Times said:

“The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.”

Friday’s document refers to an event in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, where 3/4 of infections were in fully vaccinated people. It’s funny to see people react with: “that makes sense, most people are vaccinated now”, completely forgetting that the vaccines were supposed to prevent infections. And inadvertently admitting that there is indeed no difference in infection rates, ergo: the vaccines don’t work.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021

In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.

Perhaps because of the big words used to dress up the story, or perhaps because people have become so conditioned to react to everything Covid with fear, the logical conclusion of these two documents is not drawn anywhere. Which is that notions such as vaccine mandates and vaccine passports should now be discarded. There is no reason for a “vaccine” to be applied if you get infected with it as easily as without.

Some will still claim that they stop more severe sickness, but evidence of that is scarce at best, and it has nothing to do with the “societal functions” of not infecting others that the mandates and passports are designed for. If we know what’s good for us, it’s back to the drawing board.

There is of course no reason from an individual point of view to get vaccinated either: even if you believe that you might get less sick, you would still have to weigh that against the risks the vaccines come with. And they come in multiple large shapes and forms. There is a group now trying to prove that 500,000 people have died from the vaccines, up from 50,000, and the info from VAERS and other systems remains shaky. You would think every doctor and nurse would consider it a matter of honor to report adverse reactions as accurately as possible, but that’s not the impression we have so far.

Also, you can read everywhere that when numbers of infections (“cases”) are down in a country or region, it’s because of the vaccines. But how is that possible if infections are equally spread between vaccinated and unvaccinated? Where’s the logic? And what’s the logic of blaming the unvaccinated once you know they are no more contagious than the jabbed?

 

 

I think perhaps the biggest problem of all right now is that there is so much invested in official narratives. That is as logical as it is unfortunate. And I get it, all those politicians and experts are slowly and very reluctantly realizing that they bet on the wrong horse, and to turn a ship of state around is much harder than for me to change my life.

The alternative to admitting your failures is a very dark place, so maybe you should make sure you’re ahead of the crowd, ahead of your co-PMs and presidents and “experts”, admit your faults, profoundly apologize, and shift that steering wheel 180º if need be. You don’t want to find yourself in that dark place.

Now they want to put masks on the vaccinated. That must mean the vaccines don’t work, right? No, no, they swear, the vaccines are very very efficient. It’s just that you have a very rare breakthrough case now and then, because no vaccine is perfect. So for a few rare breakthrough cases you’re going to tell millions of Americans to mask up? And then you see that New York State alone has 11,000 of such very rare cases.

Pfizer wants to give everyone a booster shot this fall. I was thinking they must have made some improved version against Delta, but no, it’ll be a third shot of the same “vaccine”. But wait, we just found it doesn’t work against Delta. The Israelis give it a 39% efficacy, which is not even enough to get an emergency authorization. Get it off the market then.

Why would I get such a shot at this point in time? The only reason I can think of is that if I don’t, you’ll take my job away, and/or severely screw with my life, and rights, and freedoms, in other ways. But certainly not for protection, because the substance offers me none of that, not for me, not for others. And there’s something terribly wrong with that, with forcing me to make choices based on such warped notions.

The entire grand idea of getting everyone vaccinated is just like Zero covid: impossible and unnecessary grandstanding, obsessed by grand illusions of power over every single individual mind. In reality, it’s everyone’s own choice, and nobody else’s.

 

 

For some obscure reason we have accepted the idea that we can do no risk stratification, that everyone is at equal risk, and therefore everyone should undergo the same treatment. And then we find out that this treatment doesn’t work, or only half, or only for a few months, etc. But you can be sure insurance companies are still doing risk stratification, also for Covid, it’s how they make a profit.

We find the vaccine is not a vaccine, but a therapeutic. An untested one at that. While we could have focused on prevention, either for everyone or just for the vulnerable, and early treatment for early victims. As 80% of people were never at risk at all and 80% have already been infected and survived.

There are plenty ways to do prevention and we have discarded them all, in favor for a treatment that now turns against us. That is to say, the vaccine makes the virus more, not less, dangerous. It’s not the unvaccinated that are the pool the virus mutates in, it’s the vaccinated.

And it’s not only the mutations. All Covid therapeutics used in the west induce the vaccinees’ body to produce spike proteins, which are toxic to the body. Initially, it was claimed that they would stay near the site of injection, but we soon found that they spread through the entire body, and assemble especially in the most vulnerable spots: lungs, testes, placenta etc.

And that’s not all either: we now see suspicions that the spike proteins remain active in the body, and continue to be produced inside the body, for much longer than we were told they would be. An as yet unpublished report will claim that they have been found five months after injection, instead of mere days. The potential consequences would be much more disastrous than the virus.

 

 

And wouldn’t you know, the moment we find out from the CDC itself that the vaccines don’t work, that same CDC clamors for more vaccinations, and all the usual suspects in the media and politics and “expertise” chime in. Everyone vaccinated now or we’ll take your jobs away, and all of your fun. Children, no matter how young, must be jabbed, even pregnant women. This therapeutic we never really tested is perfectly safe for your unborn child!

Without a jab, you’re a lethal danger to everyone who’s been vaccinated!

Well, actually, I am not, and thanks to the CDC now I can prove it.

The other way around, though, I’m not so sure.

 

 

 

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  • #81796
    Mr. House
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    Its not how the system is geared, that is not the problem, the problem is that YVES doesn’t get to run said system.

    #81797
    Kimo
    Participant

    “The study was conducted based off of reports made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) between December 14, 2020 to July 16, 2021.

    8.9 million children have received the vaccine as of July 16. There was a total of 9,246 adverse reactions reported to VAERS and 90.7 percent of those reports were considered, “nonserious adverse events.” The 397 reports of heart inflammation made up 4.3 percent of the adverse reactions that were reported.

    According to the study 14 children died after receiving the vaccine. Two died of intracranial hemorrhage, two died of pulmonary embolism, one died of heart failure , one died of a rare blood condition and two committed suicide. The death of the other 6 children is unknown.”

    Add 90% to these numbers?

    https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/08/cdc-heart-inflammation-suffered-by-397-children-after-pfizer-jab/

    #81798
    glacons31
    Participant

    How on earth the CDC can come away with the conclusion that delta is ‘likely’ more deadly is beyond me. Just look at the UK cases and deaths and compare this ‘wave’ with the last two. The only sane conclusion that is possible is that Delta is not causing anything like the same number of deaths.

    #81799
    Archie
    Participant

    @democritus and deflationista

    I’ll be honest, I tried watching that video but felt it’s not worth investing 2 hours of my time. I haven’t been pursuaded by Bret Weinstein nor do I know anyone who has been. Insofar as listening to “real science”, I had to first look up Yuri Deigin, the star of that video. This is his self description on linkedin:

    Preventing death is my life’s mission. Any death, be it from COVID, cancer or aging. ➕New hobby as of 2020: SARS2 origins.

    Woohoo Boy, bullshit meter went off the scale and broke when I saw that. But you want to question the authenticity of the FLCCC?

    As you know from reading this site we have several “Doctors” commenting regularly here but one, in particular, is a clinical doctor with hands-on experience treating patients with CV.

      Well over a year ago

    he was urging strengthening of your immune system and early use of Ivermectin in combination with other drugs/supplements. He was sharing his data and observations with other clinicians and gained valuable insights which were shared here. I don’t know how many people even knew of Bret Weinstein at that time. I know I didn’t. But as the months rolled by and the covid neurosis was ratcheting up, we found out a lot more about Ivermectin, zinc and a whole host of other treatments and supplements that were being used elsewhere. All the studies being done were coming to the same conclusions. Most, if not all, of those studies were brushed off by the bureaucrats in charge of policy or they were flat out censored from being talked about on social media and the msm. It’s been vaccines all the way down and vaccines ONLY. And they are not really vaccines in the first place. They are the whimsical hobbies of the hubristic class and technocrats, AT BEST.

    #81801
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The same people pushing it which shall not be named the hardest are the same people pushing this:

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/07/30/what-one-nyt-reporter-revealed-in-deleted-tweets-about-trump-supporters/

    #81802
    Kimo
    Participant

    History Repeats itself, vaccines during the Spanish Influenza were distributed non-sensibly to those desperate to believe they worked. Disastrous results. Detailed in a book, “The Poisened Needle” by Eleanor McBean.

    #81803
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Now imagine you make things mandatory, the same people pushing that are the same people calling half the country a “threat”. Now you mandate something they disagree with and suddenly “see i told you they were a threat” when the pushback happens. Its not that hard to figure out.

    #81805
    Mr. House
    Participant

    They create the problem (C19, unhappy domestic populace, bad economy) and then offer the solution (jabs, people who disagree with us are a threat,QEFOREVER, CARES ACT).

    #81806
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “take my vaccine,

    please.”

    look upstateNYer, a two liner. ;+]

    #81807
    straightwalker
    Participant

    @madamski
    I think that suzmarie is suggesting (gently) that your writing is missing something, despite the marvelous imagination and empathy. I agree, most sympathetically, having been there, done that (missing the same something).
    Form.
    Symphony / folk song, portrait / mural, fiction / non-fiction, short story / novel… forms have evolved for a reason: they are effective. They constitute a loose contract between artist and audience. Fiction is borne along on story; something meaningful is happening; the meaning and the story are inextricable.
    The best art is intentional, created within a form.
    Find your form (or forms, no reason why you shouldn’t write short stories and novels, just, not at the same time.)
    There’s a nice discussion of this in “Carlson’s Guide to Landscape Painting, John F. Carlson (a classic). It’s in the chapter titled “Composition.”
    Good luck and keep the faith. You can do wonderful work.

    #81808
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Are you guys beginning to see how Woke, TDS and CDS are all the same? You are not allow to disagree with them. To find out who rules you find out who you can’t criticize. Who is pushing woke, TDS and CDS? Giant multinational corporations who’s system of rule and control is crumbling around them, so they offer you the bright future of the great reset. Where they maintain control and you’ll own nothing and like it. Very comforting.

    I will probably spend the remainder of my days in the world feeling embarrassed that it took me something like a year to figure that out. It probably didn’t help that I’m really as soft and squishy as any member of the post-WW2 generation from never having lived through a contagion, major war, serious economic collapse, or mass natural disaster. BTW, I disagree with you about M4A, but since that’s not going to happen in this country anyway, arguing about it makes about as much sense as arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. (You can take a boy out of the left, but it’s not quite as easy to take the left out of the boy!)

    Woohoo Boy, bullshit meter went off the scale and broke when I saw that. But you want to question the authenticity of the FLCCC?

    IKR? It’s probably good that deflationista is here because I think we really need to realize that people who are really that brainwashed are everywhere, and we need to understand what we’re up against. Seriously, I had to go and check their user-account to establish that they created the account years ago, it was so easy to think that they are a troll sent here by the CIA or the CDC or whatever alphabet-soup agency. And as for their comment contents, wow, somebody seriously likes that broad paintbrush!

    @Raul: When it’s convenient for you to do so, can you let me out of whatever “spammer” list or whatever I seem to be on as a result of trying to use the bug-ridden “edit” function? I have to log out and then log back in again every time I make a comment. (Though I suppose that’s one way of forcing me to be more concise!)

    #81809
    those darned kids
    Participant

    Society can tolerate a small number of people
    ••• just sometimes, it seems.

    not vaccinating their children for measles,
    ••• that’s risky. the measles vaccine was developed over many years and tested many more. not exactly warped speed

    for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.
    ••• go science!

    But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2
    ••• what about cats? ferrets? deer? that virus is schneaky!

    the refuseniks are on their own.
    ••• well, at least we don’t have to hang around empathyless beings such as thyself.

    They are facing an endemic disease
    ••• you too, friend.

    armed with
    ••• i was hoping they’d put depleted uranium in the shots..

    nothing but worming tablets
    ••• safe and effective. like nobel prize, safe and effective. like save millions of lives with billions of doses effective.

    and excessive faith in their immune system.
    ••• mine worked great when my wife was sick for six weeks. if only we could have gotten some dewormers..

    That is their choice
    ••• not if you have your way.

    and whilst
    ••• fancy. do you get paid extra for such neat-o words?

    we should deter gullible people
    ••• alas..

    from being pulled into their orbit,
    ••• seems like sputnik’s orbit is a little safer. still, i’m kinda down to earth.

    we should not coerce them.
    ••• i believe you don’t believe that.

    There is no free ride this time.
    ••• what?! isn’t that what THE VACCINE (ALL HAIL!) is for?!

    They alone will face the consequences of their actions.
    ••• ouch. you may not believe in karma, but karma believes in you.

    #81810
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @Mr. House: My best friend from the old daze who was in the hospital with the virus told me he has a form of persisting symptoms in the form of shortness of breath. He does have a mysterious lung ailment known as sarcoidosis that contributed to making his bout with the Coof such a bad one, so I’m hoping that what happened was his sarcoidosis was inflamed by his ordeal and that this inflammation will gradually pass as time goes by. I certainly do mention his health situation and petition for its redress in my daily prayers.

    As for the effectiveness of the vaccine, its stated efficacy was supposed to be in keeping people who became infected with Covid out of the hospital. That makes it a non-sterilizing vaccine, so I am hard-pressed to imagine how this creates herd-immunity. Maybe if the virus is mostly spread by people who have severe illness more than people who have manageable illness or no symptoms (there is some consensus among “narrative-skeptics” that while asymptomatic transmission happens, it was not a major driver of the spread of Covid-19), but that really sounds like a stretch. At best.

    I do know that forty percent of recent Covid-related hospital admissions in the UK were for people who were vaccinated, and that to me indicates that the spike-protein “vaccines” deliver a meager performance in stopping severe illness.

    #81811
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @darned kids – funny!! 🙂

    (btw, I didn’t mean to imply that you only write one-liners. In fact many of your one-liners are part of a paragraph. But you do have a knack for writing great one-liners. Single sentences that are short but say a lot.)

    #81813
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @mister: “its stated efficacy was supposed to be in keeping people who became infected with Covid out of the hospital.”

    Maybe I need to look back at some old links, but I could *swear* the vaccines had two claims: 1) to reduce chance of infection, but 2) if you do get infected there is less chance of severe illness. Efficacy was not just about keeping you out of the hospital. It was about keeping you from getting infected. I even questioned the studies at the time because I wondered how they could prove it prevented infection unless they purposely exposed study participants to the virus, which they didn’t do. Thus they hadn’t eliminated a key variable in the studies, making them relatively worthless (this is part of why we test in animals, so we can expose them to stuff and [sadly] not have ethical qualms about it).

    Why do people keep saying the vaccine efficacy was only about preventing hospitalization? Or have I utterly lost my brain? (I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point)

    #81814
    those darned kids
    Participant

    many claims from many clams.

    pzifer says “reduces symptoms only” [kinda quotes]
    spinners say “stops transmission, ends pandemic, gives you your life back”

    you haven’t lost your brain, upstate (nice country, btw. fingerylakes and good cheese) – one of the main objectives of this “exercise” is to leave as many people as confused as possible.

    #81815
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Who created the 2001 crisis and who created the solution?
    Who created the 2008 crisis and who created the solution?
    Who created the 2020 crisis and who created the solution?

    #81816
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Kimo: that’s some sobering statistics. I also wish the MSM would stop downplaying heart inflammation in children. “He was treated in the hospital for a few days and now he’s at home. All is rainbows and unicorns!”

    Heart inflammation is serious business. It can cause permanent damage to the heart muscle and, depending on how quickly treatment is begun, this damage can be rather extensive. Dr McCullough (an actual cardiologist) mentioned in an interview that heart inflammation is no picnic – it means no activity and no stress at all for at least 6 months. Rainbows and unicorns, my butt. The jerks. This is all completely unacceptable.

    #81817
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Mr House: um … Paul Revere?

    #81818
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Why do people keep saying the vaccine efficacy was only about preventing hospitalization? Or have I utterly lost my brain? (I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point)

    Well, all I can tell you is that I don’t recall the claim about stopping infection being made before and during the official roll-out of the “vaccines”. Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, I don’t really know. It just appeared to me that this claim wasn’t being made until the “vaccines” became “Jesus-in-a-syringe”, and so you could get away with saying pretty much anything in praise of the whole cockamamie enterprise whether officially true or not.

    #81819
    deflationista
    Participant

    I suggest watching this if you are someone advocating for Ivermectin. Just as these doctors conclude in the video, I hope that Ivermectin proves out to be a thing. Right now, we have no evidence that it is the case. In fact, the evidence is very weak. This video explains why. Enjoy:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rok-9DqdOM&ab_channel=ZDoggMD

    #81820
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I found a link to a study published in the N.E. Journal of Medicine. I’ll post the link in my next post in case it messes things up.

    Results:

    A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).

    #81821
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Yeah, it’s too bad that YouTube will censor any video that shows the evidence that Ivermectin is extremely effective, isn’t it? But then again, we Deplorables simply must be saved from ourselves by our betters!

    #81822
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Link: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2034577

    From that same study:

    Conclusions

    A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728. opens in new tab.)

    I’m not Doc Robinson by any stretch of the imagination, but didn’t Pfizer fund the study and doesn’t the study state the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing covid-19?

    #81823
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Why does deflationista even care what we think about ivermectin? Very confusing.

    #81824
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The answer is the same to both .gov/corporate policy


    @deflationista

    Ironic name. Anyways no one is trying to force you to take Ivermectin. You have some insecurities you need to deal with, instead you are projecting them on other people and trying to force them to comply with your insecurities. Look inward.

    #81825
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Mr House – well done, sir!

    #81826
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    House, ps … I was kidding about Paul Revere. You know that, right?

    #81827
    chooch
    Participant

    Scripted Success??

    Oxford educated king, doctors serving as heads of state and a Yale educated epidemiologist to boot. What could go wrong?

    https://www.voanews.com/south-central-asia/bhutan-scripts-rare-covid-19-success-story

    Here is a link to Bhutan’s Covid Stats

    Prior to the March 27th (Injection kick-off), Bhutan was not experiencing any community spread of Covid. Between 3/27 and 4/8 they managed to inject 93% of eligible adults with there 1st dose. Every since they have had community spread of Covid. They recently jabbed their adult population with their 2nd dose. Now they have their eyes set on the youth, all in an effort to achieve herd immunity. Ironically, they may have achieved that before the shots were rolled out.

    From an earlier article.

    “His Majesty the King has shared thoughts about taking the vaccine only after every eligible person in the country received their shots safely,” she said. “All of us must come forward, so that we make way for His Majesty to receive the vaccine as soon as possible.”

    What a virtuous King.

    #81828
    chooch
    Participant
    #81829
    Kimo
    Participant

    Bhutan: lots of skinny people, so low death rate? An interesting place for a return visit, after the spikes get to fester awhile.

    #81830
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    The ruling class intentionally selected mRNA gene therapies as the response to the coronavirus pandemic because they make money. Pfizer is projecting a 33-billion-dollar jackpot. They most definitely accepted the claims of 95% efficacy and herd immunity when 80% of the population was jabbed. The establishment called them “vaccines” and said they were “safe and effective”. The USA intentionally quit masking and social distancing and celebrated “a summer of freedom” on last July 4th. The rise in Delta Variant breakthrough cases and the acknowledged adverse effects of the vaccines shows that this was all lies, propaganda.

    A free public health system, Plan B, will never be implanted to eradicate the virus in the USA. It requires taxing the rich. Instead divide and rule will be accelerated. Already, the unvaccinated are called scum. If hospitals start to overflow with patients, lockdowns will be reinstituted. If the powers decide that you have to be quarantined, you’ll pay for it or end up in camps. Minnesota is covered with toxic smoke from wildfires in Canada. Government has ceased to protect and serve the people.
    Succession is inevitable.

    #81831
    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies’:

    “Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 74% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.26 [0.16-0.43] and 0.15 [0.08-0.25]), with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, restriction to peer-reviewed studies, and restriction to Randomized Controlled Trials.
    •64% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.36 [0.15-0.85] and 0.04 [0.00-0.59]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance. 26 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation..”

    https://ivmmeta.com/

    #81833
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    RE: All quiet on the ‘cyber’ front

    StarLink is now mostly operational, and this is the ‘PTB’s replacement Internet. They are now free to shut off as much of the terrestrial Internet as they deem necessary. I’m working on building a ‘tiny library’ WiFi that I’ll keep up as long as we have power. It will contain as much free stuff as I can mirror, particularly Gutenberg Project archives and some public domain video/software. I can’t replace the true Internet, and I can’t be a nexus for revolutionary activities, but at least I can help stave off boredom.

    RE: 400M guns

    The problem is quite worse than that, I’m afraid. I have located several ‘backcountry compounds’ where it appears the residents have bunkerized themselves into a granite batholith. Your average prepper will be out of beans in a year or less. These folks have read Lucifer’s Hammer and taken the message to heart. Vegans will not have the personal energy to resist these people when they emerge to retake the country.

    #81834
    TAE Summary
    Participant

    * Yuri Deigen
    Attempt at a fair summary of the Quillette article that the video discusses/defends/rehashes
    – Bret Weinstein is a dangerous quack
    – The Article about Ivermectin from Argentina doesn’t pass the smell test and has been deemed of dubious quality
    – We just don’t know if Ivermectin works or not; It might work but would probably require an incredibly high dosage
    – Even if Ivermectin does work at lower dosages, vaccines are proven as safe as medical evidence gets
    – We don’t know if there are long term vaccine consequences but there is no need to fear any
    – The vaccines are 90% effective against ur-Covid 19 and 100% effective against dying from Covid 19
    – It is unclear if the vaccines protect against the Delta variant
    – The vaccines are THE miracle drug against Covid 19
    – The claim that Covid vaccines have caused more adverse affects than all previous vaccines is from Alex Jones and is demonstrably false
    – A JAMA study showed 5 days of Ivermectin did not improve symptoms (no link to study)
    – Even if Ivermectin is 85% effective as claimed it means the vaccines are 3 times more effective (implication: so taking Ivermectin instead of getting the vaccine will kill some people)
    – With better evidence we might change our minds

    Here are a few points from the video linked by deflationista

    – Yuri claims he doesn’t care about views or followers
    – Says not trusting the consensus and CDC is immoral and you are killing people
    – You are responsible for the possible deaths of people who trust you
    – Host points out that lab leak consenus was wrong. Yuri says that’s different. That was theoretical, this is life or death.
    – Says contracting Covid is more dangerous than the vaccines
    – Says 9-11 conspiracy was annoying, but Ivermectin theory is dangerous
    – Trusting Ivermectin might kill you
    – Geert Vanden Bossche is a quack
    – Ovaries don’t get the highest concentration of spike proteins, other organs do
    – Bret refused to have him on his show

    This is from the first 16 minutes. Yuri is hard for me to listen to. Maybe someone who listened to the whole thing can give us a better recap

    * Discrediting Treatments by Ad Fontes Attacks
    – Penicillin = Bread Mold
    – Smallpox vaccine = Cow teat puss
    – Gut Flora Transplant = Eating other people’s shit
    – Estrogen therapy = Mare’s piss
    – Anticoagulant = Snake venom
    – Ivermectin = Sheep dewormer from Japanese dirt

    #81835
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    I didn’t see this until TDK’s response:

    <i>excessive faith in their immune system</i>

    True story: My wife and I have not been germ-sick in a decade. Improved diet for me, and both diet and exercise for her, and we’re good to go. We’re not social butterflies, but we attend(ed) concerts of varying size, shop weekly in public markets, doctor visits, family shindigs, etc etc etc…normal life. NO GERMS!

    So, yeah, I have a <i>little</i> pride in my immune system. After all, it’s the result of a billion years of evolutionary pressure, most of which cannot be repeated, let alone observed, so it can be plugged into a model. Replace that with a Bill Gates Joint? I’ve been battling Bill Gates’ evil proxy, Windows, for nigh on to 35 years. You think I’d trust his motives in this?

    #81836
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @TAE Summary: I don’t know who Yuri is, but after reading your points I give you credit for listening to 16 minutes. I followed the link, didn’t listen at all, but skimmed comments. Most were, shall we say, less than flattering.

    #81837
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @thomas: “Replace that with a Bill Gates Joint? I’ve been battling Bill Gates’ evil proxy, Windows, for nigh on to 35 years. You think I’d trust his motives in this?”

    Now that is funny. 🙂 Needed a laugh. Thank you.

    #81838
    deflationista
    Participant

    TAE Summary: Well done. I listened to the whole thing. One thing he stressed is that it is all about the data. You may not like him or how he says things, but he stressed that people should refute what he is saying.

    Yuri is a dry, pain in the ass with a Dmitry Orlov sense of humor, and I personally imagine all Russians to be like him. But, it was nice to hear a deconstruction of the Weinstein/Heying argument all in one place. There are numerous articles that do the same thing to varying degrees of detail and professionalism, but I appreciated just hearing it rather than reading it.

    Weinstein and Heying issued a rebuttal which amounted to ad hominem attacks and empty counters filled with extreme emotion. Very weak. It is no wonder why Weinstein has refused to have a proper debate about these issues.

    #81839
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    From an article published yesterday, at least 233 staff at two San Francisco hospitals tested positive in July, and an overwhelming majority of them were fully vaccinated.


    233 Staff at 2 San Francisco Hospitals Test Positive in July

    At least 233 staff members at two major San Francisco hospitals, most of them fully vaccinated, tested positive for the coronavirus this month, and most, according to a hospital official, involved the highly contagious Delta variant…

    About 75 to 80 percent of the more than 50 staff members infected at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital were fully vaccinated, Dr. Lukejohn Day, the hospital’s chief medical officer, said in an interview on Saturday. The University of California, San Francisco Medical Center said in a statement issued on Friday that 153 of its 183 infected staff members [84%] had been fully vaccinated.

    https://newsweek365.com/2021/07/31/233-staff-at-2-san-francisco-hospitals-test-positive-in-july/

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