August 1, 2021 at 5:57 pm #81796
Its not how the system is geared, that is not the problem, the problem is that YVES doesn’t get to run said system.August 1, 2021 at 6:06 pm #81797
“The study was conducted based off of reports made to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) between December 14, 2020 to July 16, 2021.
8.9 million children have received the vaccine as of July 16. There was a total of 9,246 adverse reactions reported to VAERS and 90.7 percent of those reports were considered, “nonserious adverse events.” The 397 reports of heart inflammation made up 4.3 percent of the adverse reactions that were reported.
According to the study 14 children died after receiving the vaccine. Two died of intracranial hemorrhage, two died of pulmonary embolism, one died of heart failure , one died of a rare blood condition and two committed suicide. The death of the other 6 children is unknown.”
Add 90% to these numbers?August 1, 2021 at 6:10 pm #81798glacons31Participant
How on earth the CDC can come away with the conclusion that delta is ‘likely’ more deadly is beyond me. Just look at the UK cases and deaths and compare this ‘wave’ with the last two. The only sane conclusion that is possible is that Delta is not causing anything like the same number of deaths.August 1, 2021 at 6:21 pm #81799ArchieParticipant
@democritus and deflationista
I’ll be honest, I tried watching that video but felt it’s not worth investing 2 hours of my time. I haven’t been pursuaded by Bret Weinstein nor do I know anyone who has been. Insofar as listening to “real science”, I had to first look up Yuri Deigin, the star of that video. This is his self description on linkedin:
Preventing death is my life’s mission. Any death, be it from COVID, cancer or aging. ➕New hobby as of 2020: SARS2 origins.
Woohoo Boy, bullshit meter went off the scale and broke when I saw that. But you want to question the authenticity of the FLCCC?
As you know from reading this site we have several “Doctors” commenting regularly here but one, in particular, is a clinical doctor with hands-on experience treating patients with CV.
Well over a year ago
he was urging strengthening of your immune system and early use of Ivermectin in combination with other drugs/supplements. He was sharing his data and observations with other clinicians and gained valuable insights which were shared here. I don’t know how many people even knew of Bret Weinstein at that time. I know I didn’t. But as the months rolled by and the covid neurosis was ratcheting up, we found out a lot more about Ivermectin, zinc and a whole host of other treatments and supplements that were being used elsewhere. All the studies being done were coming to the same conclusions. Most, if not all, of those studies were brushed off by the bureaucrats in charge of policy or they were flat out censored from being talked about on social media and the msm. It’s been vaccines all the way down and vaccines ONLY. And they are not really vaccines in the first place. They are the whimsical hobbies of the hubristic class and technocrats, AT BEST.August 1, 2021 at 6:31 pm #81801
The same people pushing it which shall not be named the hardest are the same people pushing this:August 1, 2021 at 6:35 pm #81802
History Repeats itself, vaccines during the Spanish Influenza were distributed non-sensibly to those desperate to believe they worked. Disastrous results. Detailed in a book, “The Poisened Needle” by Eleanor McBean.
History repeats itself.
(Part 1) pic.twitter.com/3DgOmCKEBo
— LADY AMINA (@Alpha_Mind7) August 1, 2021August 1, 2021 at 6:42 pm #81803
Now imagine you make things mandatory, the same people pushing that are the same people calling half the country a “threat”. Now you mandate something they disagree with and suddenly “see i told you they were a threat” when the pushback happens. Its not that hard to figure out.August 1, 2021 at 6:45 pm #81805
They create the problem (C19, unhappy domestic populace, bad economy) and then offer the solution (jabs, people who disagree with us are a threat,QEFOREVER, CARES ACT).August 1, 2021 at 6:48 pm #81806
“take my vaccine,
look upstateNYer, a two liner. ;+]August 1, 2021 at 6:55 pm #81807straightwalkerParticipant
I think that suzmarie is suggesting (gently) that your writing is missing something, despite the marvelous imagination and empathy. I agree, most sympathetically, having been there, done that (missing the same something).
Symphony / folk song, portrait / mural, fiction / non-fiction, short story / novel… forms have evolved for a reason: they are effective. They constitute a loose contract between artist and audience. Fiction is borne along on story; something meaningful is happening; the meaning and the story are inextricable.
The best art is intentional, created within a form.
Find your form (or forms, no reason why you shouldn’t write short stories and novels, just, not at the same time.)
There’s a nice discussion of this in “Carlson’s Guide to Landscape Painting, John F. Carlson (a classic). It’s in the chapter titled “Composition.”
Good luck and keep the faith. You can do wonderful work.August 1, 2021 at 7:01 pm #81808
Are you guys beginning to see how Woke, TDS and CDS are all the same? You are not allow to disagree with them. To find out who rules you find out who you can’t criticize. Who is pushing woke, TDS and CDS? Giant multinational corporations who’s system of rule and control is crumbling around them, so they offer you the bright future of the great reset. Where they maintain control and you’ll own nothing and like it. Very comforting.
I will probably spend the remainder of my days in the world feeling embarrassed that it took me something like a year to figure that out. It probably didn’t help that I’m really as soft and squishy as any member of the post-WW2 generation from never having lived through a contagion, major war, serious economic collapse, or mass natural disaster. BTW, I disagree with you about M4A, but since that’s not going to happen in this country anyway, arguing about it makes about as much sense as arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. (You can take a boy out of the left, but it’s not quite as easy to take the left out of the boy!)
Woohoo Boy, bullshit meter went off the scale and broke when I saw that. But you want to question the authenticity of the FLCCC?
IKR? It’s probably good that deflationista is here because I think we really need to realize that people who are really that brainwashed are everywhere, and we need to understand what we’re up against. Seriously, I had to go and check their user-account to establish that they created the account years ago, it was so easy to think that they are a troll sent here by the CIA or the CDC or whatever alphabet-soup agency. And as for their comment contents, wow, somebody seriously likes that broad paintbrush!
@Raul: When it’s convenient for you to do so, can you let me out of whatever “spammer” list or whatever I seem to be on as a result of trying to use the bug-ridden “edit” function? I have to log out and then log back in again every time I make a comment. (Though I suppose that’s one way of forcing me to be more concise!)August 1, 2021 at 7:04 pm #81809
Society can tolerate a small number of people
••• just sometimes, it seems.
not vaccinating their children for measles,
••• that’s risky. the measles vaccine was developed over many years and tested many more. not exactly warped speed
for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.
••• go science!
But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2
••• what about cats? ferrets? deer? that virus is schneaky!
the refuseniks are on their own.
••• well, at least we don’t have to hang around empathyless beings such as thyself.
They are facing an endemic disease
••• you too, friend.
••• i was hoping they’d put depleted uranium in the shots..
nothing but worming tablets
••• safe and effective. like nobel prize, safe and effective. like save millions of lives with billions of doses effective.
and excessive faith in their immune system.
••• mine worked great when my wife was sick for six weeks. if only we could have gotten some dewormers..
That is their choice
••• not if you have your way.
••• fancy. do you get paid extra for such neat-o words?
we should deter gullible people
from being pulled into their orbit,
••• seems like sputnik’s orbit is a little safer. still, i’m kinda down to earth.
we should not coerce them.
••• i believe you don’t believe that.
There is no free ride this time.
••• what?! isn’t that what THE VACCINE (ALL HAIL!) is for?!
They alone will face the consequences of their actions.
••• ouch. you may not believe in karma, but karma believes in you.August 1, 2021 at 7:20 pm #81810
@Mr. House: My best friend from the old daze who was in the hospital with the virus told me he has a form of persisting symptoms in the form of shortness of breath. He does have a mysterious lung ailment known as sarcoidosis that contributed to making his bout with the Coof such a bad one, so I’m hoping that what happened was his sarcoidosis was inflamed by his ordeal and that this inflammation will gradually pass as time goes by. I certainly do mention his health situation and petition for its redress in my daily prayers.
As for the effectiveness of the vaccine, its stated efficacy was supposed to be in keeping people who became infected with Covid out of the hospital. That makes it a non-sterilizing vaccine, so I am hard-pressed to imagine how this creates herd-immunity. Maybe if the virus is mostly spread by people who have severe illness more than people who have manageable illness or no symptoms (there is some consensus among “narrative-skeptics” that while asymptomatic transmission happens, it was not a major driver of the spread of Covid-19), but that really sounds like a stretch. At best.
I do know that forty percent of recent Covid-related hospital admissions in the UK were for people who were vaccinated, and that to me indicates that the spike-protein “vaccines” deliver a meager performance in stopping severe illness.August 1, 2021 at 7:23 pm #81811
@darned kids – funny!! 🙂
(btw, I didn’t mean to imply that you only write one-liners. In fact many of your one-liners are part of a paragraph. But you do have a knack for writing great one-liners. Single sentences that are short but say a lot.)August 1, 2021 at 7:41 pm #81813
@mister: “its stated efficacy was supposed to be in keeping people who became infected with Covid out of the hospital.”
Maybe I need to look back at some old links, but I could *swear* the vaccines had two claims: 1) to reduce chance of infection, but 2) if you do get infected there is less chance of severe illness. Efficacy was not just about keeping you out of the hospital. It was about keeping you from getting infected. I even questioned the studies at the time because I wondered how they could prove it prevented infection unless they purposely exposed study participants to the virus, which they didn’t do. Thus they hadn’t eliminated a key variable in the studies, making them relatively worthless (this is part of why we test in animals, so we can expose them to stuff and [sadly] not have ethical qualms about it).
Why do people keep saying the vaccine efficacy was only about preventing hospitalization? Or have I utterly lost my brain? (I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point)August 1, 2021 at 7:49 pm #81814
many claims from many clams.
pzifer says “reduces symptoms only” [kinda quotes]
spinners say “stops transmission, ends pandemic, gives you your life back”
you haven’t lost your brain, upstate (nice country, btw. fingerylakes and good cheese) – one of the main objectives of this “exercise” is to leave as many people as confused as possible.August 1, 2021 at 7:50 pm #81815
Who created the 2001 crisis and who created the solution?
Who created the 2008 crisis and who created the solution?
Who created the 2020 crisis and who created the solution?August 1, 2021 at 7:51 pm #81816
@Kimo: that’s some sobering statistics. I also wish the MSM would stop downplaying heart inflammation in children. “He was treated in the hospital for a few days and now he’s at home. All is rainbows and unicorns!”
Heart inflammation is serious business. It can cause permanent damage to the heart muscle and, depending on how quickly treatment is begun, this damage can be rather extensive. Dr McCullough (an actual cardiologist) mentioned in an interview that heart inflammation is no picnic – it means no activity and no stress at all for at least 6 months. Rainbows and unicorns, my butt. The jerks. This is all completely unacceptable.August 1, 2021 at 7:53 pm #81817
@Mr House: um … Paul Revere?August 1, 2021 at 8:01 pm #81818
Why do people keep saying the vaccine efficacy was only about preventing hospitalization? Or have I utterly lost my brain? (I wouldn’t be surprised by anything at this point)
Well, all I can tell you is that I don’t recall the claim about stopping infection being made before and during the official roll-out of the “vaccines”. Maybe I wasn’t paying close enough attention, I don’t really know. It just appeared to me that this claim wasn’t being made until the “vaccines” became “Jesus-in-a-syringe”, and so you could get away with saying pretty much anything in praise of the whole cockamamie enterprise whether officially true or not.August 1, 2021 at 8:16 pm #81819deflationistaParticipant
I suggest watching this if you are someone advocating for Ivermectin. Just as these doctors conclude in the video, I hope that Ivermectin proves out to be a thing. Right now, we have no evidence that it is the case. In fact, the evidence is very weak. This video explains why. Enjoy:August 1, 2021 at 8:21 pm #81820
I found a link to a study published in the N.E. Journal of Medicine. I’ll post the link in my next post in case it messes things up.
A total of 43,548 participants underwent randomization, of whom 43,448 received injections: 21,720 with BNT162b2 and 21,728 with placebo. There were 8 cases of Covid-19 with onset at least 7 days after the second dose among participants assigned to receive BNT162b2 and 162 cases among those assigned to placebo; BNT162b2 was 95% effective in preventing Covid-19 (95% credible interval, 90.3 to 97.6).August 1, 2021 at 8:22 pm #81821
Yeah, it’s too bad that YouTube will censor any video that shows the evidence that Ivermectin is extremely effective, isn’t it? But then again, we Deplorables simply must be saved from ourselves by our betters!August 1, 2021 at 8:27 pm #81822
From that same study:
A two-dose regimen of BNT162b2 conferred 95% protection against Covid-19 in persons 16 years of age or older. Safety over a median of 2 months was similar to that of other viral vaccines. (Funded by BioNTech and Pfizer; ClinicalTrials.gov number, NCT04368728. opens in new tab.)
I’m not Doc Robinson by any stretch of the imagination, but didn’t Pfizer fund the study and doesn’t the study state the vaccine was 95% effective in preventing covid-19?August 1, 2021 at 8:29 pm #81823
Why does deflationista even care what we think about ivermectin? Very confusing.August 1, 2021 at 8:30 pm #81824
The answer is the same to both .gov/corporate policy
Ironic name. Anyways no one is trying to force you to take Ivermectin. You have some insecurities you need to deal with, instead you are projecting them on other people and trying to force them to comply with your insecurities. Look inward.August 1, 2021 at 8:33 pm #81825
Mr House – well done, sir!August 1, 2021 at 8:35 pm #81826
House, ps … I was kidding about Paul Revere. You know that, right?August 1, 2021 at 8:46 pm #81827choochParticipant
Oxford educated king, doctors serving as heads of state and a Yale educated epidemiologist to boot. What could go wrong?
Here is a link to Bhutan’s Covid Stats
Prior to the March 27th (Injection kick-off), Bhutan was not experiencing any community spread of Covid. Between 3/27 and 4/8 they managed to inject 93% of eligible adults with there 1st dose. Every since they have had community spread of Covid. They recently jabbed their adult population with their 2nd dose. Now they have their eyes set on the youth, all in an effort to achieve herd immunity. Ironically, they may have achieved that before the shots were rolled out.
From an earlier article.
“His Majesty the King has shared thoughts about taking the vaccine only after every eligible person in the country received their shots safely,” she said. “All of us must come forward, so that we make way for His Majesty to receive the vaccine as soon as possible.”
What a virtuous King.August 1, 2021 at 8:47 pm #81828choochParticipantAugust 1, 2021 at 9:02 pm #81829
Bhutan: lots of skinny people, so low death rate? An interesting place for a return visit, after the spikes get to fester awhile.August 1, 2021 at 9:05 pm #81830VietnamVetParticipant
The ruling class intentionally selected mRNA gene therapies as the response to the coronavirus pandemic because they make money. Pfizer is projecting a 33-billion-dollar jackpot. They most definitely accepted the claims of 95% efficacy and herd immunity when 80% of the population was jabbed. The establishment called them “vaccines” and said they were “safe and effective”. The USA intentionally quit masking and social distancing and celebrated “a summer of freedom” on last July 4th. The rise in Delta Variant breakthrough cases and the acknowledged adverse effects of the vaccines shows that this was all lies, propaganda.
A free public health system, Plan B, will never be implanted to eradicate the virus in the USA. It requires taxing the rich. Instead divide and rule will be accelerated. Already, the unvaccinated are called scum. If hospitals start to overflow with patients, lockdowns will be reinstituted. If the powers decide that you have to be quarantined, you’ll pay for it or end up in camps. Minnesota is covered with toxic smoke from wildfires in Canada. Government has ceased to protect and serve the people.
Succession is inevitable.August 1, 2021 at 9:17 pm #81831Bill7Participant
‘Ivermectin for COVID-19: real-time meta analysis of 60 studies’:
“Meta analysis using the most serious outcome reported shows 74% and 85% improvement for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.26 [0.16-0.43] and 0.15 [0.08-0.25]), with similar results after exclusion based sensitivity analysis, restriction to peer-reviewed studies, and restriction to Randomized Controlled Trials.
•64% and 96% lower mortality is observed for early treatment and prophylaxis (RR 0.36 [0.15-0.85] and 0.04 [0.00-0.59]). Statistically significant improvements are seen for mortality, hospitalization, cases, and viral clearance. 26 studies show statistically significant improvements in isolation..”August 1, 2021 at 9:31 pm #81833thomasjkenneyParticipant
RE: All quiet on the ‘cyber’ front
StarLink is now mostly operational, and this is the ‘PTB’s replacement Internet. They are now free to shut off as much of the terrestrial Internet as they deem necessary. I’m working on building a ‘tiny library’ WiFi that I’ll keep up as long as we have power. It will contain as much free stuff as I can mirror, particularly Gutenberg Project archives and some public domain video/software. I can’t replace the true Internet, and I can’t be a nexus for revolutionary activities, but at least I can help stave off boredom.
RE: 400M guns
The problem is quite worse than that, I’m afraid. I have located several ‘backcountry compounds’ where it appears the residents have bunkerized themselves into a granite batholith. Your average prepper will be out of beans in a year or less. These folks have read Lucifer’s Hammer and taken the message to heart. Vegans will not have the personal energy to resist these people when they emerge to retake the country.August 1, 2021 at 9:32 pm #81834TAE SummaryParticipant
* Yuri Deigen
Attempt at a fair summary of the Quillette article that the video discusses/defends/rehashes
– Bret Weinstein is a dangerous quack
– The Article about Ivermectin from Argentina doesn’t pass the smell test and has been deemed of dubious quality
– We just don’t know if Ivermectin works or not; It might work but would probably require an incredibly high dosage
– Even if Ivermectin does work at lower dosages, vaccines are proven as safe as medical evidence gets
– We don’t know if there are long term vaccine consequences but there is no need to fear any
– The vaccines are 90% effective against ur-Covid 19 and 100% effective against dying from Covid 19
– It is unclear if the vaccines protect against the Delta variant
– The vaccines are THE miracle drug against Covid 19
– The claim that Covid vaccines have caused more adverse affects than all previous vaccines is from Alex Jones and is demonstrably false
– A JAMA study showed 5 days of Ivermectin did not improve symptoms (no link to study)
– Even if Ivermectin is 85% effective as claimed it means the vaccines are 3 times more effective (implication: so taking Ivermectin instead of getting the vaccine will kill some people)
– With better evidence we might change our minds
Here are a few points from the video linked by deflationista
– Yuri claims he doesn’t care about views or followers
– Says not trusting the consensus and CDC is immoral and you are killing people
– You are responsible for the possible deaths of people who trust you
– Host points out that lab leak consenus was wrong. Yuri says that’s different. That was theoretical, this is life or death.
– Says contracting Covid is more dangerous than the vaccines
– Says 9-11 conspiracy was annoying, but Ivermectin theory is dangerous
– Trusting Ivermectin might kill you
– Geert Vanden Bossche is a quack
– Ovaries don’t get the highest concentration of spike proteins, other organs do
– Bret refused to have him on his show
This is from the first 16 minutes. Yuri is hard for me to listen to. Maybe someone who listened to the whole thing can give us a better recap
* Discrediting Treatments by Ad Fontes Attacks
– Penicillin = Bread Mold
– Smallpox vaccine = Cow teat puss
– Gut Flora Transplant = Eating other people’s shit
– Estrogen therapy = Mare’s piss
– Anticoagulant = Snake venom
– Ivermectin = Sheep dewormer from Japanese dirtAugust 1, 2021 at 9:45 pm #81835thomasjkenneyParticipant
I didn’t see this until TDK’s response:
<i>excessive faith in their immune system</i>
True story: My wife and I have not been germ-sick in a decade. Improved diet for me, and both diet and exercise for her, and we’re good to go. We’re not social butterflies, but we attend(ed) concerts of varying size, shop weekly in public markets, doctor visits, family shindigs, etc etc etc…normal life. NO GERMS!
So, yeah, I have a <i>little</i> pride in my immune system. After all, it’s the result of a billion years of evolutionary pressure, most of which cannot be repeated, let alone observed, so it can be plugged into a model. Replace that with a Bill Gates Joint? I’ve been battling Bill Gates’ evil proxy, Windows, for nigh on to 35 years. You think I’d trust his motives in this?August 1, 2021 at 9:45 pm #81836
@TAE Summary: I don’t know who Yuri is, but after reading your points I give you credit for listening to 16 minutes. I followed the link, didn’t listen at all, but skimmed comments. Most were, shall we say, less than flattering.August 1, 2021 at 9:52 pm #81837
@thomas: “Replace that with a Bill Gates Joint? I’ve been battling Bill Gates’ evil proxy, Windows, for nigh on to 35 years. You think I’d trust his motives in this?”
Now that is funny. 🙂 Needed a laugh. Thank you.August 1, 2021 at 9:53 pm #81838deflationistaParticipant
TAE Summary: Well done. I listened to the whole thing. One thing he stressed is that it is all about the data. You may not like him or how he says things, but he stressed that people should refute what he is saying.
Yuri is a dry, pain in the ass with a Dmitry Orlov sense of humor, and I personally imagine all Russians to be like him. But, it was nice to hear a deconstruction of the Weinstein/Heying argument all in one place. There are numerous articles that do the same thing to varying degrees of detail and professionalism, but I appreciated just hearing it rather than reading it.
Weinstein and Heying issued a rebuttal which amounted to ad hominem attacks and empty counters filled with extreme emotion. Very weak. It is no wonder why Weinstein has refused to have a proper debate about these issues.August 1, 2021 at 10:01 pm #81839Doc RobinsonParticipant
From an article published yesterday, at least 233 staff at two San Francisco hospitals tested positive in July, and an overwhelming majority of them were fully vaccinated.
233 Staff at 2 San Francisco Hospitals Test Positive in July
At least 233 staff members at two major San Francisco hospitals, most of them fully vaccinated, tested positive for the coronavirus this month, and most, according to a hospital official, involved the highly contagious Delta variant…
About 75 to 80 percent of the more than 50 staff members infected at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital were fully vaccinated, Dr. Lukejohn Day, the hospital’s chief medical officer, said in an interview on Saturday. The University of California, San Francisco Medical Center said in a statement issued on Friday that 153 of its 183 infected staff members [84%] had been fully vaccinated.
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