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Paul Klee Hammamet with Its Mosque 1914

 

 

On Thursday, an internal CDC slide deck was “leaked”. On Friday, an “official” document was presented. The first is more interesting, because it contains things that are ostensibly not meant for public consumption (how to present…). The second is made up of a lot of official looking terminology. What else? But both largely say the same thing: there is no difference between the infection rates of vaccinated and non-vaccinated people. Of course that is then dressed up again in calls to get vaccinated, they can’t help themselves…

In colorful language such as “the war has changed” and “Delta spreads as easily as chickenpox”, the CDC tries very hard to undermine -even deny- it own findings. The slide deck is here:

Improving Communications Around Vaccine Breakthrough And Vaccine Effectiveness

CNN commented:

“The document – a slide presentation – outlines unpublished data that shows fully vaccinated people might spread the Delta variant at the same rate as unvaccinated people..”

The New York Times said:

“The Delta variant is as contagious as chickenpox and may be spread by vaccinated people as easily as the unvaccinated, an internal C.D.C. report said.”

Friday’s document refers to an event in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, where 3/4 of infections were in fully vaccinated people. It’s funny to see people react with: “that makes sense, most people are vaccinated now”, completely forgetting that the vaccines were supposed to prevent infections. And inadvertently admitting that there is indeed no difference in infection rates, ergo: the vaccines don’t work.

Outbreak of SARS-CoV-2 Infections, Including COVID-19 Vaccine Breakthrough Infections, Associated with Large Public Gatherings — Barnstable County, Massachusetts, July 2021

In July 2021, following multiple large public events in a Barnstable County, Massachusetts, town, 469 COVID-19 cases were identified among Massachusetts residents who had traveled to the town during July 3–17; 346 (74%) occurred in fully vaccinated persons. Testing identified the Delta variant in 90% of specimens from 133 patients. Cycle threshold values were similar among specimens from patients who were fully vaccinated and those who were not.

Perhaps because of the big words used to dress up the story, or perhaps because people have become so conditioned to react to everything Covid with fear, the logical conclusion of these two documents is not drawn anywhere. Which is that notions such as vaccine mandates and vaccine passports should now be discarded. There is no reason for a “vaccine” to be applied if you get infected with it as easily as without.

Some will still claim that they stop more severe sickness, but evidence of that is scarce at best, and it has nothing to do with the “societal functions” of not infecting others that the mandates and passports are designed for. If we know what’s good for us, it’s back to the drawing board.

There is of course no reason from an individual point of view to get vaccinated either: even if you believe that you might get less sick, you would still have to weigh that against the risks the vaccines come with. And they come in multiple large shapes and forms. There is a group now trying to prove that 500,000 people have died from the vaccines, up from 50,000, and the info from VAERS and other systems remains shaky. You would think every doctor and nurse would consider it a matter of honor to report adverse reactions as accurately as possible, but that’s not the impression we have so far.

Also, you can read everywhere that when numbers of infections (“cases”) are down in a country or region, it’s because of the vaccines. But how is that possible if infections are equally spread between vaccinated and unvaccinated? Where’s the logic? And what’s the logic of blaming the unvaccinated once you know they are no more contagious than the jabbed?

 

 

I think perhaps the biggest problem of all right now is that there is so much invested in official narratives. That is as logical as it is unfortunate. And I get it, all those politicians and experts are slowly and very reluctantly realizing that they bet on the wrong horse, and to turn a ship of state around is much harder than for me to change my life.

The alternative to admitting your failures is a very dark place, so maybe you should make sure you’re ahead of the crowd, ahead of your co-PMs and presidents and “experts”, admit your faults, profoundly apologize, and shift that steering wheel 180º if need be. You don’t want to find yourself in that dark place.

Now they want to put masks on the vaccinated. That must mean the vaccines don’t work, right? No, no, they swear, the vaccines are very very efficient. It’s just that you have a very rare breakthrough case now and then, because no vaccine is perfect. So for a few rare breakthrough cases you’re going to tell millions of Americans to mask up? And then you see that New York State alone has 11,000 of such very rare cases.

Pfizer wants to give everyone a booster shot this fall. I was thinking they must have made some improved version against Delta, but no, it’ll be a third shot of the same “vaccine”. But wait, we just found it doesn’t work against Delta. The Israelis give it a 39% efficacy, which is not even enough to get an emergency authorization. Get it off the market then.

Why would I get such a shot at this point in time? The only reason I can think of is that if I don’t, you’ll take my job away, and/or severely screw with my life, and rights, and freedoms, in other ways. But certainly not for protection, because the substance offers me none of that, not for me, not for others. And there’s something terribly wrong with that, with forcing me to make choices based on such warped notions.

The entire grand idea of getting everyone vaccinated is just like Zero covid: impossible and unnecessary grandstanding, obsessed by grand illusions of power over every single individual mind. In reality, it’s everyone’s own choice, and nobody else’s.

 

 

For some obscure reason we have accepted the idea that we can do no risk stratification, that everyone is at equal risk, and therefore everyone should undergo the same treatment. And then we find out that this treatment doesn’t work, or only half, or only for a few months, etc. But you can be sure insurance companies are still doing risk stratification, also for Covid, it’s how they make a profit.

We find the vaccine is not a vaccine, but a therapeutic. An untested one at that. While we could have focused on prevention, either for everyone or just for the vulnerable, and early treatment for early victims. As 80% of people were never at risk at all and 80% have already been infected and survived.

There are plenty ways to do prevention and we have discarded them all, in favor for a treatment that now turns against us. That is to say, the vaccine makes the virus more, not less, dangerous. It’s not the unvaccinated that are the pool the virus mutates in, it’s the vaccinated.

And it’s not only the mutations. All Covid therapeutics used in the west induce the vaccinees’ body to produce spike proteins, which are toxic to the body. Initially, it was claimed that they would stay near the site of injection, but we soon found that they spread through the entire body, and assemble especially in the most vulnerable spots: lungs, testes, placenta etc.

And that’s not all either: we now see suspicions that the spike proteins remain active in the body, and continue to be produced inside the body, for much longer than we were told they would be. An as yet unpublished report will claim that they have been found five months after injection, instead of mere days. The potential consequences would be much more disastrous than the virus.

 

 

And wouldn’t you know, the moment we find out from the CDC itself that the vaccines don’t work, that same CDC clamors for more vaccinations, and all the usual suspects in the media and politics and “expertise” chime in. Everyone vaccinated now or we’ll take your jobs away, and all of your fun. Children, no matter how young, must be jabbed, even pregnant women. This therapeutic we never really tested is perfectly safe for your unborn child!

Without a jab, you’re a lethal danger to everyone who’s been vaccinated!

Well, actually, I am not, and thanks to the CDC now I can prove it.

The other way around, though, I’m not so sure.

 

 

 

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    Paul Klee Hammamet with Its Mosque 1914     On Thursday, an internal CDC slide deck was “leaked”. On Friday, an “official” document was pres
    [See the full post at: The Vaccines Don’t Work]

    #81740
    deflationista
    Participant

    Society can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.

    But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own. They are facing an endemic disease armed with nothing but worming tablets and excessive faith in their immune system. That is their choice and whilst we should deter gullible people from being pulled into their orbit, we should not coerce them. There is no free ride this time. They alone will face the consequences of their actions.

    https://quillette.com/2021/07/28/vaccines-and-the-coronavirus-crank-crisis/

    #81743
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “refuseniks ”

    As in those who resist being vakzinated and masks, etc., and maybe wish they had a real vaccine worth taking? I can’t quite parse your meaning here. 🙂

    #81745
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    @deflationista

    Why don’t you read the article and argue the points made instead of just linking some dubious article intended to bamboozle the credulous?

    #81746
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    I tried to feel bamboozled but my eyes glazed over before I got past “bam-“. 😉

    #81747
    democritus
    Participant

    I don’t remember any claim the vaccines were supposed to prevent infections. I remember they were supposed to reduce the risk of hospitalisation and death. I think “The vaccines don’t work” is the wrong conclusion to jump to.

    Infection doesn’t mean hospital and death.

    #81749
    deflationista
    Participant

    Save a life — show this video to your vaccine hesitant friends who have been made hesitant by Bret Weinstein’s misinformation. I really cannot believe that this blog, which, over the last decade, has taught me to examine information from all sides, has now decided to accept the flimsiest of flimsy information emanating from Bret Weinstein or Tess Lawrie. I mean, you do know that the FLCCC and anything sourced to them is not serious, don’t you? Even just a cursory look at their data should allow you to see that. If you are offended by me saying that, ask yourself why you might be. I suggest listening to Yuri Deigin methodically deconstruct all of Weinstein’s BS in the video below. I spent months actually thinking that Weinstein and the FLCCC were onto something. And then I started seeing actual serious science picking apart their data. It ain’t pretty. Maybe Ivermectin works. I hope it does. So far, there is no real evidence of that. All that there is is hope. And a bunch of contrarian, libertarian, pseudo-science, anti-vaxxers saying it does. For actual scientists to be making these claims is astounding. It is immoral. Just as it is for the media making claims that vaccinated people are suffering at the same rate as unvaxed. The reporting goes something like this:

    A village has 100 people.
    99 of them vaccinated. 1 is not.
    2 people become sick with Covid, 1 of whom is the unvaccinated person.

    Media: “50% of cases occurred in the vaccinated!!”

    This is what we’re seeing, and it’s irresponsible reporting.

    Watch the video. You should want to prove yourself wrong if you are indeed interested in truth. This will help you:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwzfnZfo-rU&t=1s&ab_channel=RebelWisdom

    #81750
    Polder Dweller
    Participant

    @democritus

    You know that’s not true.

    Pfizer was said to be 95% effective, that number was touted everywhere. Moderna was something like 92% and J&J around 67%. People were led to believe that if they got the Pfizer jab their chances of catching the virus would be reduced by 95%. Also, if herd immunity means anything then it means that people either jabbed or recovered, can’t pass the virus on. If that isn’t true because the shots don’t prevent transmission then vaccinating people won’t help in achieving herd immunity.

    #81751
    Oroboros
    Participant

    Dr Bryan Ardis and Dr Reiner Fuellmich (July 30, 2021)

    Reiner interviews Dr Bryan Ardis

    First thing Dr Ardis covers is how Remdesivir, the worthless drug pimped by Fauci, failed trials against Ebola miserably and in a second trial produced widespread kidney failure.

    Fauci knowing the significant risk of kidney failure goes ahead and issues an order to all US hospitals the Remdesivir will be the ONLY drug allowed to treat ‘Covid’ patents for the next 9 months, killing untold patients with …wait for it…..kidney failure.

    Many doctors were baffled it the time because they had never seen kidney failure in pulmonary cases.

    Dr Bryan Ardis and Dr Reiner Fuellmich (July 30, 2021)

    #81752
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    WES:

    btw, I wonder why you think you can’t write. Other than a unique zest for exclamation points, you write just swell! Tell a good story too! I think someone put a bad message in your ear when you were young?!

    #81753
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    We await with bated breath how TAE Summary conundrumizes deflationista’s remarks. (I just sit back and burble like a peasant watching the priest turn bread and wine into imaginary Jeebus meat. How him do that?)

    #81754
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Um, I’m pretty sure I remember the 2 initial claims to fame: a) reduce the ability to spread the disease to other people, and b) reduce the severity if you get a breakthrough case yourself.

    Maybe I’m misremembering. But I’m pretty sure that’s why vaccinated people are allowed in stores around here without a mask while the unvaccinated still must mask-up. Ya know, cause the vaccinated don’t spread the disease, right?

    I also kinda remember the “get vaccinated now! … it’s the only way to make sure you don’t infect grandma when you visit!!”

    Or I have early stage dementia. It’s getting common here in the US.

    #81756
    Oroboros
    Participant

    The ‘toxic not-vaccines’ were meant to only produce a very very very narrow window of immunity to specifically the designer computer simulated spike protein sequence.

    That’s all.

    The ‘toxic not-vaccines’ did NOT produce a wide spectrum immunity like the Natural immunity that comes from naturally getting and recovering from ‘Covid-19″.

    That’s the REAL gold standard in ‘immunity.

    The people who did NOT get poked but had gotten and recovered from ‘Covid’ are NOT the ones currently getting infected in record numbers from the ‘Delta’ construct.

    Only brainwashing or brain damage explains the wide spread ability of the public to not understand that the current ‘toxic not-vaccines’ don’t give ANY immunity to speak of and hence masks and lockdowns were a total failure to control the ‘virus’.

    More masks and lockdowns no NOTHING to help the situation except destroy what’s left of the Main St economy so that Wall St and Hedge Funds and psychopathic oligarchic billionaires can finish completely dominating the global economic landscape.

    #81757
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @WES: I second madam’s comment, above, wondering why you think you “can’t write.” I enjoy your stories and look forward to reading them when I see one of your posts.

    #81758
    deflationista
    Participant

    Reality:

    #81759
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    @ deflationista

    Wow. You’ve really fallen for the black and white thinking of the propaganda, haven’t you?
    Hate to burst your bubble, but dividing the population into the (fully) vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated (everyone else) is a really inaccurate picture from an immunity perspective.

    I’m unvaccinated. I had Covid – positive PCR and classic symptoms. Covid, for me, my partner, my children, my parents, and my sister’s family is like “the big bad wolf” that wasn’t. My mother has severe asthma — a few puffs on her inhaler and she was fine. My father has some minor health issues, was 71 at the time — he had NO symptoms, (totally unfair – I was in bed and feverish!) but is proud of his antibodies to Covid. (My parents happily tell people their antibody counts to anyone who will listen and joke about whose antibody count is higher.)

    Not to mention, children’s innate immune systems often shut Covid down speedily. (My children were exposed multiple times, never got sick during our quarantine, never had positive PCR.). And there is indication that up to 80% of the population had pre-existing cross-immunity. (Like my father.)

    I don’t need masks, I don’t need any damned vakzine. Let me be.

    So, you see, the refuseniks are simply not a homogenous crowd. They are not all relying on ivermectin. Many of us are fully immune — more immune than the hyped up vaccinated folks upset because the CDC is telling them to mask again.

    #81760
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Word on the street is it will be forced testing at work, weekly, and insurance will not cover it. Maximum pain out of your own pocket, and who is to say the “testing” won’t be political? (if it already hasn’t been)

    #81761
    Mr. House
    Participant

    We CARES ACT so much about you that we’re going to force you to test for something and not pay for it. Come on yinz guys, corporations have always done this. Its what they do to people who don’t play ball.

    #81762
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Self employment has its ups and downs. One fringe benefit: I have no employer who can demand that I be vaccinated or tested on my own dime.

    #81763
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Maybe it would be easier to ask for input from @deflationista and @democritus about a real-world example?

    Based on the following information, which was provided by the CDC and published in the MSM so it meets not disinformation criteria, please explain what the vaccine has or was intended to accomplish …

    From the MA covid situation:

    469 cases of Covid
    74% (347) of the cases occurred in fully vaccinated people (assuming 122 were not vaccinated?)
    274 (79%) of vaccinated patients with a breakthrough infection were symptomatic
    Among 5 Covid patients who were hospitalized, 4 (80%) were fully vaccinated

    And what do these stats say about the efficacy of the vaccination if only 50% of people in attendance were vaccinated?

    #81764
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Mr House: sorry to hear that. Is the testing the type that pushes a swab into your brain? I refuse to have that, hence I’m now an outcast in my own society. Maybe we should start a refugee camp for the no-vax. (That should sound funny, but it doesn’t, because it’s too close to truth.)

    Seriously, did someone put something in the [global] drinking-water supply? The insanity is mind blowing at this point.

    #81765
    Mr. House
    Participant

    No idea, but i certainly will not have something shoved up my nose. Now you aren’t even allowed to decide when you are sick, they’ll do that for you too! Thing is, deciding to have the jab or not have the jab is the closet thing we’ve had to democracy in this country in a long time. Believe in democracy 😉

    #81766
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “Infection doesn’t mean hospital and death.”

    So whats the problem? Why the loyalty test to your viewpoints? Haven’t we always dealt with infection? Why the hysteria about it now? But but but the LONG COVID. Uh huh, have yet to meet a single person who suffers from that. Just like my entire exp. thru out this kabuki theater

    Lies, damned lies and statistics

    #81767
    Mr. House
    Participant

    How much do you think they’ll make the test cost? 100 bucks times 4 weeks equals 400 a month in tests. Who supports that, but cries about evictions and unemployment?

    #81768
    Noirette
    Participant

    More than 160 people have died and nearly 650 have been hospitalized in Illinois due to COVID-19 in “breakthrough” cases after they were fully vaccinated, according to state health officials.

    169 Dead, 644 Hospitalized in Illinois Breakthrough COVID Cases

    Covid-19 Breakthrough Infections in Vaccinated Health Care Workers

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

    …just two examples.

    ————————–

    Now, it is of course true that all these numbers, of ppl infected, in these and other studies, of hospitalisations, deaths particularly, are small, be they vaxxed or not.

    The “math” (pseudo scientific rubbish / calculations that are opaque, or ‘cheats’ / not understood by the general public / any bemused reader..) are confidently put forward imho:

    To allow any pov, pro/anti VAX, pro-/anti antivirals (e.g. Ivermectin), pro/anti masks, a long list, to be touted on MSM and to flourish on Social Media.

    The aim here is to stir up a storm of confusion, with ppl being pushed this way and that, unsure and destabilized, plus, of course, ready and oh-so-willing to join some camp (cult..) that offers some absolutist pov, some certainty. The PTB use the old ‘divide to conquer’ strategy, to create opposing factions, which one can see up top in the comments.

    Then follows feedback into the MSM with guff about social divides, insuperable differences, conspiracy theorists, etc. All this serves to justify that there are no definitive numbers, news, studies, concerning the effect of vaccines / drug therapies / any therapy / preventatives… etc. and nutty ppl can be blamed. Gvmt has no responsibility.

    —————–

    Because…Several actors don’t know which way to jump, what to support or not, they can’t read the signs, they can’t predict, anticipate the ultimate outcome, they are servants, so have to pander to every faction (mostly Corporations.) This applies particularly to the MSM which regularly puts out reports that are quite contradictory, e.g. scare mongering coupled with reassurance about the efficacity of vaccines, with numbers hidden until the last paragraph, with the whole communication ending up in a crazy incoherent mess. This is done so that an excerpt can be quoted, yes WE DID, give the correct numbers – bash anti-vaxxers – criticise etc. etc.

    #81773
    a kullervo
    Participant

    @deflationista

    If you got the “jab” then worry about yourself and not about the levelheaded.
    If you didn’t got it, then you are just a stooge.
    Either way, you are a fool: there’s no such thing as “saving lifes”, only vain attempts at postponing death.

    #81774
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Has anyone else noticed a drop off in “cyber” related news lately? Seems like a month or two ago it was something new everyday.

    #81778
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @house: “Has anyone else noticed a drop off in “cyber” related news lately?”

    No, I didn’t notice. There are so many things we’re supposed to be worried about at this point I tend to focus on what directly impacts me, prepare as best I can, and ignore the stuff I have no ability whatsoever to change.

    #81780
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “Society can tolerate a small number of people not vaccinating their children for measles, for example, because outbreaks cannot occur so long as the vast majority are inoculated.

    But without herd immunity for SARS-CoV-2, the refuseniks are on their own. They are facing an endemic disease armed with nothing but worming tablets and excessive faith in their immune system. That is their choice and whilst we should deter gullible people from being pulled into their orbit, we should not coerce them. There is no free ride this time. They alone will face the consequences of their actions.”

    Yessssssss! Please for the love of God let this be our choice. You’re all perfectly safe: Stop helping, and leave us alone. Isn’t that what freedom, all that is about? Or even what ‘helping’ is about?

    Please leave us completely on our own, to face this endemic disease with the powers of our silly superstitions. …As opposed to applying unrelenting v i o l e n c e to everyone who’s not like yourself. Is that really too much to ask for? To let a Muslim pray to the East? To let a Rasta not have surgery? To let a Jew grow his beard? Who cares if ANYONE is inoculated or has outbreaks when you are safe? You, as the smart and winning party, will survive, and them, as the stupid, stubborn party, will all win the Darwin Award and die by thousands. You’ll even inherit their stuff!

    It would take cattle-car level violence to stop them: are you planning and willing to apply it? To a nation with 400 million guns? How many are you willing to kill, to bankrupt and make homeless to save them from themselves?

    Please, “Let them alone face the consequences of their actions.”

    Agree wholly.

    However, setting coercive rules is against U.N. human rights for forced medical experiments. Doubly so when you’re coerced paying. It’s straight-up extortion: do this or pay me money. Sweet Dreams, Buttercup! Side of the angels at last forcing profits for billionaires from the poorest weakest people wanting the least: to be left alone.

    #81781
    Dr. D
    Participant

    How many of them will you kill to save them from death?

    Never thought I’d have to write that sentence. Are we the Baddies yet?

    #81783

    I like that you mention “irresponsible reporting”, because that is how I see the 18-month one-dimensional promotion of masks, lockdowns and therapeutics.

    I don’t know what to say about you claiming anything at all in this article “emanates” from two people I mentioned once or twice in that whole time frame, and certainly not in the article. That leads me to think you don’t care what I say. And that’s a dead end.

    #81784

    And I love reading that Pfizer and Moderna are raising the prices of their therapeutics in the EU, because “they work better than others”. Priceless. That takes gall.

    #81786
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Are you guys beginning to see how Woke, TDS and CDS are all the same? You are not allow to disagree with them. To find out who rules you find out who you can’t criticize. Who is pushing woke, TDS and CDS? Giant multinational corporations who’s system of rule and control is crumbling around them, so they offer you the bright future of the great reset. Where they maintain control and you’ll own nothing and like it. Very comforting.

    #81787
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “I think perhaps the biggest problem of all right now is that there is so much invested in official narratives. That is as logical as it is unfortunate. And I get it, all those politicians and experts are slowly and very reluctantly realizing that they bet on the wrong horse, and to turn a ship of state around is much harder than for me to change my life.

    The alternative to admitting your failures is a very dark place, so maybe you should make sure you’re ahead of the crowd, ahead of your co-PMs and presidents and “experts”, admit your faults, profoundly apologize, and shift that steering wheel 180º if need be. You don’t want to find yourself in that dark place.”

    Nifty description of what I perceive being the maoin driver behind this dangerous covid madness.

    #81788
    Mr. House
    Participant

    I mean these people are so trustworthy, but hate the person who lives down the street from you because they don’t wear a mask while walking their dog or driving their car

    Pfizer Court Fight Could Legalize Medicare Copays and Unleash ‘Gold Rush’ in Sales

    #81789
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    “How many of them will you kill to save them from death? Never thought I’d have to write that sentence. Are we the Baddies yet?”

    Paving the Road to Hell

    #81791
    userzeroid
    Participant

    With the CDC and Fauci’s admission of “breakthrough” infections on Friday (plus updated rules for masks for the vaxed) I am puzzled by the chutzpah of anyone who still confidently backs the vax at this stage. This article summarises the chain of events leading to – and away – from this madness.

    Thank god nothing lasts. We can rely on change dead ahead. Sadly this applies to the good times as well as the bad but hey…

    #81792
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Pre covid vaccine:

    VAERS is flawed in that it captures, at most, only 10% of adverse vaccine reactions. However, it does provide an early warning system for medical professionals to use when making decisions about vaccine risks and benefits.

    Post covid vaccine:

    VAERS is flawed because anyone can upload a claim of adverse vaccine reactions, and just because a reaction took place following injection doesn’t mean it was caused by the vaccine.

    You seriously couldn’t make this s&%* up if you tried.

    #81794
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @Mr House, re: link to NC article. Same question I’ve asked before … how does a blog post links like this one, then turn around and buy the covid vaccine narrative hook, line and sinker? (still scratching head …)

    #81795
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Because they think like those they pretend to criticize and hold the mistaken belief that from this crisis which they aren’t letting go to waste they will get M4A. Now after i heard some talking heads (Rahm and others) justifying denying people life due to jab status, i’m really excited for those same people to control a .gov healthcare system. If anything, the past year and a half has been a stunning reason for not having that very thing. They will use it against you

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