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    Vincent van Gogh The Parsonage Garden at Nuenen in Spring 1884 (stolen yesterday)   • Fauci Offers More Conservative Death Rate In Academic Artic
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 31 2020]

    #56358
    riesterm
    Participant

    I’m still baffled by the numbers, Ilargi as compared to some very big numbers that we’ve seemed to have forgotten:

    USA deaths chart:

    Cause Deaths (1/1 to 3/28/2020)
    “Corona virus” official [1] 2,220
    “Corona virus” no other illness [2] 22
    “Seasonal flu” & pneumonia [3] 9,152
    Pharmaceutical drugs [4] 30,800
    Medical error [5] 60,280
    Medical (drugs + error) 91,080

    References

    [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    [2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says
    * 99% of a large statistical sample of “deaths due corona virus” in Italy were likely due serious pre-existing diseases and/or medical conditions (ie. it is more accurate to state such deaths as being with corona virus present, not due corona virus)

    [3] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
    * Daily average (averaged over the whole year) of 104 deaths, based on an annual average of 37,875 deaths (using CDC data for all of the 2010-18 flu seasons)

    [4] https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/new-prescription-drugs-major-health-risk-few-offsetting-advantages
    * Daily average of 350 deaths, based on an annual 128,000 prescription drug deaths

    [5] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us
    * Daily average of 685 deaths, based on an annual 250,000 deaths due medical error

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    #56360
    riesterm
    Participant

    Correction: It’s not that we haven’t “heard about” actual deaths in the U.S.; it’s that the media will not “tell us” about those appallingly high numbers.

    #56362
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    riesterm, one could make a similar argument in 1918 about all those deaths caused by war, tuberculosis, diptheria, cancer, heart disease, stroke, childbirth, dementia, enteritis, automobile and industrial accidents. What takes the headlines is when something new arrives that seriously disrupts the year over year numbers. We are at the very beginning of a marathon.

    #56363
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Part of me is mentally staggered that people are waiting for “maks” to magically be made available by the Good Factory Fairies. Even a primitive mask filters out half or more or airborne pathogens. Our culture has become so automatic (TAE reference intentional), so infantile in its dependence on the forumale of ;factories make things/we buy them with money’ that we seem virtually incapable of making or doing anything on our own.

    UNtil some Facebook videi that is properly “sticky” makes the rounds with some kind of official seal of approval, or a proper amount of that mystery bug: “buzz”. All the cool kids are making masks from ad hoc materials on hand, I better do this too or I won’t be cool.

    THere are too virus waves of critical importance. One is the physical; contagion wave through physical contagion vectors. The other is whatever corona-message goes full-spectrum viral through our various media. Where those two intersect will be, I think, the defining nodal point in all this.

    #56364
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Corona already saving thousands of lives. And that’s ahead of the baby boom:
    https://www.scribd.com/document/453827594/COVID-19-UnintendedConsequences
    + about 9,000. Panic!

    The WHO says “don’t wear face masks.”
    WHOdunit
    https://s3-ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com/news.guo.offload.media/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/29224811/Screen-Shot-2020-03-29-at-9.44.22-PM.png

    Yes, that would be the same WHO that says 3k died in China, there was no human transmission, don’t stop those planes, and changes their minds every hour.

    Science™! We’re Science-based. In that we use the word “Science” to get you to obey illogical, self-defeating rules, and give us Step 3: Profit!

    I blame Trump. Why didn’t he follow up on that SARS cure in 2004 or deplete and not re-stock the facemasks in 2014? Why didn’t he build a wall and bring back industry from China? Why didn’t he stop the planes in January? If only he’d SAID SOMETHING, all this could have been avoided.

    “the current coronavirus “is 10 times more lethal than the seasonal flu,” which would be about 1 percent.”

    That’s because thanks to Science™!, the seasonal flu is far LESS deadly than 0.1%, as you can prove in 60 seconds. But nobody does because they’re not science, but fishing for money, bureaucratic or socialized systems most of all. So is Wu Flu 10x as deadly? Probably, but 10 x 0.004% isn’t much. So as usual, we have the “Official” “Expert” reality, and the real reality, and they don’t add up because experts become experts once they lie for a living. If they told the truth anywhere, from Boeing to Kaiser, they’d get fired in days. Land of the Lost. Who’s going to save you from your own grift and deceit? You are. By returning to the Straight and Narrow.

    “Healthcare providers facing medical equipment shortages”

    As stated yesterday and everywhere, you can’t even make masks. It’s literally illegal without 6-fold permission, a few million dollars, and a 6- year lead time. That’s by law, put in by 3M, yes, but impossible to enforce unless the GOVERNMENT joins with CORPORATIONS, in the direct antithesis of Capitalism. And what do we call that system, Mr. Benito? But there’s a solution: MORE SOCIALISM. More rules, more obstacles, more monopoly profits. To them, away from you. We demand MOAR!

    In other news, Australia reports China bought up several million masks and suits back in January while they were telling us and the WHO that there was no human transmission, and the WHO were apparently in their hotel rooms with Chinese girls, not looking. But I can’t blame it all on them, even though they just shipped non-working N95 masks to us just for amusement of watching Spanish doctors get sick and die. No, in addition to this, deBlasio and Pelosi were advising people to attend parades, and Cuomo cut 20,000 beds in NY and is even now trying to cut $9B out of NYS Medicare. This is the government you say will save you.

    Anyway, we’d already have 50 small factories producing masks somewhere if it weren’t illegal, imprisonable at the highest level to do so. So: enjoy the world you demanded!

    US COVID19 Job Losses Could Be 47 Million, Unemployment May Hit 32% (CNBC)”

    This is already over 32%, but in reality we’re doing an economic reset, not a virus, so…

    Trump was way off.”

    But less way off than Science™!, which he bucked the Executive, the CDC, the WHO, and everyone in media when he still acted long before them. Suddenly, now that was too slow, for the same people who said it was way too fast. Make up your minds. But they do: reality is whatever I say it is 2 seconds ago, and changes 2 seconds from now. Double-Plus-Good Doublethink. A minute from now, when he DID shut things down, and they catch on that it’s 0.1% and destroyed the economy, they will flip again and say it SHOULDN’T be shut down, even as in Feb 1 they were denying it existed, and March 1 were demanding martial law, and we read these same people as our sources of authoritative information.

    And you’re supposed to rule these people? They can’t rule themselves. They’re like a bunch of toddlers running around on the football pitch, making self-goals half the time while parents cheer. It’s amusing to watch, but I wouldn’t pay for it. I’m an adult who has useful, practical things to do.

    “Pelosi Aims To Move Fast On Next Rescue Package (Pol.)”

    Case in point, Exhibit A, after stopping worker checks for weeks, then taking a 5-page bill and making it 1,400. And NOW she’s going to move fast, now TRUMP has been slow and irresponsible. I missed rent. Thanks. But this is Socialism™, I’ll go take one of your 10 houses. “To each according to his need” and I NEED a nice new beach house!

    Rachel Maddow’s Recent Predictions Get Roasted (JTN)”

    It will never matter. There is no level of lies or wrong that can possibly have consequences. Look at Brian Williams, the CDC, the WHO…

    I think it’s great. I just read them and do the opposite and can be right 95% of the time.

    “precious months” were wasted waiting for federal action.”

    Says the guy who they would impeach for having borders and objected to shutting down unlimited air travel. So…if he knew all about, Mr. Governor obviously bought a million masks for his State back in January, right? What, no? He was busy cutting hospitals while more people died in Chicago each year than have yet died in COVID? Well give me a banana and call me a monkey. So. Weird. It’s almost like they’re lying, and if I did the opposite, I’d be right 95% of the time without any work.

    But the article is well-said. The States are supposed to be sovereign, and most action and responsibility are legally there. Little to none is supposed to rest with the Federales. That’s why health care could be state level (and bankrupted every state that tried) and not Federal, by law, because they have no legal mandate or authority over it, nor can they get any without an amendment. But reason, law: so Archaic! #Logos is our sole sworn enemy, making things up out of our minds and egos is our god.

    How Will COVID-19 Impact US Manufacturing?”

    Let’s look at the other side: we have no manufacturing, sales, or business. The Dow remains pleasantly high, with a rocketing nosebleed P/E ratio (No earnings). That is, we have NO MARKET. We have NO CAPITALISM. We have…no one who cares, or can diagnose that maybe this Socialism thing has failed just like everywhere else in time and space it’s been tried.

    Cruise companies lining up for bailouts.”

    This would be less egregious if they hadn’t already dodged all taxes before now. …Hey, like GE, Amazon, Boeing…? Yeah, I pay more taxes than GE. So shouldn’t I get their size bailout check? Funny ol’ world.

    The EU will have to throw out Hungary.”

    The EU hasn’t followed any law or rule since before they were born. Look at the 2% debt-cap for entrance. Why start now? Then they couldn’t be a lawless dictatorship that sucks money from the poor in Greece to rich banks in Germany while erasing free speech and dictating who’s allowed to be PM in Italy.

    The cable news announced the other day that Covid-19 patients placed in critical care may have to be on ventilators for 21 days.”

    If you’re in ICU you won’t survive anyway. Recovery rates for that kind of term ventilator 1 year are something like 5% even for normal times. Mortality is 30% normally. But someone is worried about resource triage? That everybody might not get infinity plus? That we won’t spend 45 minutes on resuscitation for someone whose lungs stopped when +90% of the time doesn’t work on heart patients and people with ‘normal’ coding? Yeah, we don’t do that on every other day either, it’s literally no different than last Tuesday. Or only by a tiny percent. It’s just when non-medical people read about it, they throw a gear. Because they will die, and if they’re lucky, they will die in a hospital.

    Anyway, life is limited. There is not infinite anything for nothing, and you’re going to die because that’s what “life” is. Try to do it like a man.

    …the Netherlands will “no longer be a rich country in the North if the South falls.”

    I’ve said this for years. Their “Asset” in Germany and yes, Netherlands, is the “Debt” of a number of countries who will never pay. That is to say, it’s a fraud, an illusion. So why bother? Does it make you feel better to live on lies an illusion? “The System where everybody lives at everybody else’s expense.”

    #56365
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Vanguard’s Wang said the Chinese government has likely accepted that growth will take a hit this year from the coronavirus pandemic and is willing to trade off some of that as long as there is social stability.

    “ ‘As long as we have some … social stability, that’s probably what the Chinese policymakers fear the most rather than just the growth numbers,’ she said.”

    from China Says Manufacturing Activity Expanded in MArch

    #56366
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “THere are too virus waves of critical importance. ”

    Two not too. Edit function appears to be some kind of practical joke. I remember when our machines worked as expected.

    #56367

    Blaming the software only makes you look old.

    #56368

    Well, it looks like The Great Bank Heist that this whole scamdemic has been covering up has been completed, so everyone please go back to your regularly scheduled programs and resume keeping up with your preferred flavor of Kardashians.

    https://russia-insider.com/en/huge-jewish-finance-firm-just-took-over-us-treasury-and-fed-blackrock-transcript-audio/ri28494?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014)&mc_cid=bc4cb02299&mc_eid=f6e13bb5e3

    #56369
    Carlos Jimenez
    Participant

    The EU will have to throw out Hungary.

    – State of emergency w/o time limit
    – Rule by decree
    – Parliament suspended
    – No elections
    – Spreading fake news + rumors: up to 5 yrs in prison
    – Leaving quarantine: up to 8 yrs in prison

    Or vice versa?
    Orban may have gone a little bit overboard but… is the EU the epitome of Greek Democratia? A cenacle of unelected officials deciding over the subjects across the board for all “Europeans”? And the Parliament can not propose and pass laws? last time I checked?. And let’s not get into how the French the Irish and the Portuguese if memory serves me, were made to vote twice ’till they voted “the right way” to implement the treaty. LOL. This EU that has such high standards of human rights and values in its foundational docs., bombs and invades any country it likes at a drop of a hat. I remember when Ca-moron sent Brit planes to bomb Syria because…he didn’t like what Bashar Al Assad said… The unending flow of refugees is a direct consequence of that, just as Gadafi “prophesied” it would happen were he to be removed. Duh. Well, he was a bit more than simply removed, he was sodomized with a bayonet up his arxse. Sarkozy was first in line to bomb the shxte out of Libya. The “liberation” of Libya under Samantha Power’s “R2P” gave rise to open-air slave markets… how’s that for the standards of the free world? I could go on quite some ways here but I won’t, I just want to close with a look at the elephant in the room: people are jailed in the EU for not having the “correct” version of history. For questioning, or mocking, a historical event that is already “proven” by fiat. I would like to think that this kind of coercion was left behind with the fading into history of the Inquisition and the flowering of the Renaissance and free thought. But no, questioning the established history can land you in jail if that history is the Holocaust by gas chambers. You can piss on a cross or piss on Jesus’ image and call it art, make a movie or a play about a gay Jesus or whatever you like but nothing happens, as it should, in a world of free men. Not so sure though that you could do same to Mohamed… Be that as it may, dare to question the veracity or accuracy of the gas chambers or the 6 million and you’ll find yourself in jail like the 90 y.o Ursula Haverbeck, conveniently dubbed the “Nazi Granny”, the Canadian Monica Schafer snatched while in Germany for posting a video asking forgiveness from her late parents for having been hostile to them in this subject, or Attorney Silvya Stolz for defending Ernst Zundel and presenting evidence on a subject that was already deemed established and closed. There are dozens if not hundreds more in jail for this same thought crime. Others not so lucky, ended up in the hospital., Prof. Faurisson and Joe Cole/Stein, a Jew himself, come to mind. Joe had to disappear for 8 years and change identities because the ADL put a prize on his head. I’m sorry Raul if am not too upset with Orban’s power grab, I should, freedom as a value is ingrained in the human condition and behooves us to defend it, but to implicitly put the EU as a moral arbiter in this matter invites derision. I will let somebody else make the point:
    “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.”
    John Milton, 1644

    #56370
    zerosum
    Participant

    BEFORE THE VIRUS
    1. Capitalism was failing for 99% of the population
    2. Socialism was failing for 90% of the population

    DURING THE VIRUS SEASON
    Non essential activities were closed
    Social and economic activities were changed by MMT

    AFTER THE VIRUS
    The blind will be leading the blind
    Seniors will be in short supply

    #56371
    zerosum
    Participant

    MMT

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-calls-2t-infrastructure-package-phase-4-stimulus

    With interest rates for the United States being at ZERO, this is the time to do our decades long awaited Infrastructure Bill. It should be VERY BIG & BOLD, Two Trillion Dollars, and be focused solely on jobs and rebuilding the once great infrastructure of our Country! Phase 4

    #56373

    Yesterday, Andrew Cuomo made this big spectacle of saying his entire family would get together for dinner, because that’s what New Yorkers do etc. I thought that was the stupidest thing to say in a quarantined city. Now his brother Chris Cuomo at CNN tests positive.

    #56374
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Dedicated to all the Big Shots and high-ranking corporate spokespersons and government mandarins out there. It’s your turn:

    Fall from Grace

    One of the world’s most amazing guitar solos.

    folly

    Also, regarding where the corona virus genes meet the cornoa virus memes:

    “The Gartner Hype Cycle describes a particular way that the media over-inflates people’s expectations of new innovations in comparison to how evolved they actually are for a particular market segment’s needs.”

    Gartner Hype Cycle

    As for money and alla that, I found this article (quoted on some loudmouth’s blog) both instructive and kinda hilarious:

    Stunningly Useless

    P.S. I notice that youtube is easing down its intense attack to make me pay for stealing other people’s musical copyrights and sharing them for free (not that I care but hypocrisy is hypocrisy, jah?) Yesterday, an ad from Tasco Bell that, due to social distancing (there’s a loaded psyop phrase, intentional or not) they couldn’t give me a hug despite its/their tremendous desire to, but could give me a free taco a their Still! Open! drive-thru. (‘Bring your own polyfiber membrane. Tongs not included.’)

    This just *might* be typo free, and all the links just *might* work. These are the days of miracle and wonder…

    #56375
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    zerosum: awesome post (before, during, after)

    Raul: “I got viagra scrips older’n you, son,” he said, accidentally speaking into the mic of his cheap headphone ‘hearing aids’ and losing that much more hearing. 😉

    #56376
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Tasco Bell”

    I meant to do that. I’m a (sic) man.

    #56377
    lvareka
    Participant

    I am from the Czech Republic. Face masks have been mandatory here for two weeks. Of course, there is a shortage of face masks and respirators. But many people here started to sew them for their families and others. All this happened in a week or so. Suddenly, everyone has their face covered in one way or another. These handmade masks are typically from cotton. Of course, they are not reliable to keep you safe. But I think they contribute to limiting the spread because:
    1. When shopping etc., it remains you that others are potentially infected.
    2. It keeps you from involuntary touching your face.
    3. It limit droplets from the infected (no matter if they have symptoms or not) by up to 80 %.

    I think it is worth watching to see if this proves to work. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/czechs-get-to-work-making-masks-after-government-decree-coronavirus

    #56378
    neoh
    Participant

    riesterm, Dr.D
    Most of the population, unfortunately, does not understand large numbers let alone fractions, decimals or percentages. They certainly don’t know history.
    Anyway, at least for now, the world has surrendered an unimaginable amount of wealth, liberty,,and good custom because of a run of the mill 100-200 year virus that everybody knew would eventually occur.
    The reaction to the virus has taken on a life of its own. The virus will pass long before the reaction will be repaired. People love scary movies so they will continue to watch scary news. Some will say “I told you so”, forgetting that a broken clock is correct twice a day. Most of us do worse than the broken clock if we are willing to admit it.

    #56379
    zerosum
    Participant

    AFTER THE VIRUS
    The blind will be leading the blind
    Seniors will be in short supply

    https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/welcome-post-virus-world-return-normal-not-option
    Eventually, we will prevail in the post-virus world. But it will be a long haul. The best way to shorten it is to recognize that a return to “normal” is not an option. ( before the virus)

    Authored by Simon Johnson via Project Syndicate,

    #56380
    zerosum
    Participant

    “But many people here started to sew them for their families and others. ”
    You should see how fashionable my circle of life looks with our face masks.
    We even even got a model for the hunters.
    🙂

    #56381
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Before I entirely a-oogah, I’ma share this. I may have shared it before. But if so, this time is different. Tis time it’s what the sociologists and such call “relevant”. Here we see an old fart triumphing over the lack of face masks:

    Old Fart at Play with His Wooden FIsh Head Mask

    #56382
    WES
    Participant

    One chart we are not likely to ever see, is a chart showing the exponential growth of political corruption this virus has triggered!

    #56383
    WES
    Participant

    Zerosum:

    If the new normal means PM Trudeau’s family can go to the cottage, then so can I!

    #56384
    zerosum
    Participant

    WES

    If the cottage is in Ontario, then the limit is a group of 5. Its a good thing that his security is not greater than 5.
    🙂

    #56385
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    About those deaths each year from the flu (in the US), the numbers aren’t what they seem. I was surprised to find the CDC numbers criticized on a .GOV website. Some highlights:

    Prior to 2003, the data shows an average of only 1348 flu deaths per year (between 1979-2002). In 2003, an article in JAMA presented the results of a CDC model that calculated 36,155 deaths from “influenza associated underlying respiratory and circulatory causes“, but “less than a quarter of these (8097) were described as flu or flu associated underlying pneumonia deaths“. The author of the article explained that “influenza-associated mortality” is “a statistical association between deaths and viral data available.” He said that an association does not imply an underlying cause of death.” Yet somehow that 36,000 number was latched onto, and the statistics are now what comes out of a broadly-reaching model.

    The CDC website states what has become commonly accepted and widely reported in the lay and scientific press: annually “about 36 000 [Americans] die from flu”…

    Meanwhile, according to the CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS), “influenza and pneumonia” took 62 034 lives in 2001—61 777 of which were attributed to pneumonia and 257 to flu, and in only 18 cases was flu virus positively identified.

    Between 1979 and 2002, NCHS data show an average 1348 flu deaths per year (range 257 to 3006)…

    CDC’s model [JAMA 2003] calculated an average annual 36 155 deaths from influenza associated underlying respiratory and circulatory causes. Less than a quarter of these (8097) were described as flu or flu associated underlying pneumonia deaths. Thus the much publicised figure of 36 000 is not an estimate of yearly flu deaths, as widely reported in both the lay and scientific press, but an estimate—generated by a model—of flu-associated death.

    William Thompson of the CDC’s National Immunization Program (NIP), and lead author of the CDC’s 2003 JAMA article, explained that “influenza-associated mortality” is “a statistical association between deaths and viral data available.” He said that an association does not imply an underlying cause of death: “Based on modelling, we think it’s associated. I don’t know that we would say that it’s the underlying cause of death.” Yet this stance is incompatible with the CDC assertion that the flu kills 36 000 people a year—a misrepresentation that is yet to be publicly corrected.

    At the 2004 “National Influenza Vaccine Summit,” co-sponsored by CDC and the American Medical Association, Glen Nowak, associate director for communications at the NIP, spoke on using the media to boost demand for the vaccine… Preceding the summit, demand had been low early into the 2003 flu season. “At that point, the manufacturers were telling us that they weren’t receiving a lot of orders for vaccine for use in November or even December,” recalled Dr Nowak on National Public Radio. “It really did look like we needed to do something to encourage people to get a flu shot.”

    If flu is in fact not a major cause of death, this public relations approach is surely exaggerated. Moreover, by arbitrarily linking flu with pneumonia, current data are statistically biased. Until corrected and until unbiased statistics are developed, the chances for sound discussion and public health policy are limited.

    https://aspe.hhs.gov/cdc-%E2%80%94-influenza-deaths-request-correction-rfc

    #56386
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    We all need to keep in mind that all those $trillions will eventually trickle down to all the small businesses that have disappeared. So there is hope, especially for those willing to wait. Best to wait indoors. Indefinitely. Maybe eternity.

    In the mean time, everybody should be thinking about improving their credit ratings. We mustn’t let all those decades of practice go to waste.

    #56387
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    The only thing more valuable than precious metals, more valuable than health, more valuable than peace and love and friendship, and even more valuable than life itself … is a loan.

    What a totally fucked-up species this is.

    #56388
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    To all you people wiping your butts with American paper currency, you’re clogging up the sewer pipes. Please bag it up and send it to me.

    Despite it having been shown that COVID-19 transmits through fecal matter in hospitals rather than through one’s breath and saliva in public, I’ll still take on all that foul, “worthless” fiat that’s gone “belly up” and can’t be used because it’s infected. As a public service.

    Please, please, please. Send me all that worthless cash, as it’s all about to be replaced by a vaccine made from a crypto-currency backstopped by the dealer’s rake from a game of faro in Belgium. Because if that money decomposes in the sewage plants, you’ll all die from the deadly carbon it emits.

    https://theautomaticearth.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/usa_deaths_charts.jpg

    #56389
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Somehow I think that most readers here are familiar with BlackRock, the company that the government chose to oversee the 2008 Crashed Cash Giveaway. We weren’t aware that it was a “jewish” outfit. We were aware that it has many Jewish principal members, founding and otherwise.

    But we are chastened by the reminder that what matters most is Who to Blame even though we know that said blame won’t change things for the better.

    And nowm, if you’ll excuse, I have a cat to bell:

    Aesop Strikes Again

    #56390
    zerosum
    Participant

    Too hot for the virus???

    https://www.capetalk.co.za/features/380/covid-19-coronavirus-explained/377740/coronavirus-sa-cases-updates-covid-19

    31 March 2020 6:12 PMby Qama QukulaShare This:Health Minister Zweli Mkhize says the number of Covid-19 deaths in South Africa stands at five, as of Tuesday.
    Mkhize held a press briefing on Tuesday afternoon, confirming 46 new cases that have tested positive for Covid-19 since Monday.

    The total number of confirmed Covid-19 cases in South Africa now stands at 1,353.

    There are now five Covid-19 related deaths in the country, up by two overnight.

    A total of 39,500 tests have been conducted thus far.

    South Africa has 1326 confirmed cases of Covid-19 as of 30 March 2020.

    President Cyril Ramaphosa addressed the nation on Monday night and announced that there is a third death in South Africa.

    He said the country is entering a new phase of the fight against the pandemic and extensive testing and screening is to be rolled out.

    #56391
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    @ Doc Robinson

    Of course the learned reader understands the CDC flu numbers are derived from disease/statistical modeling. In 35 years as a physician, I recall only a single time when viral cultures were obtained for influenza A. However, that holds true for most viral diseases, H.zoster ophthalmicus and HSV keratitis come to mind immediately where cultures are never obtained. Morphology seals the diagnosis.

    Dr. D et al (since my post was lost on the 50% mortality of ARDS) will confirm that sepsis, ARDS, ALI, DIC and multiple organ system failure are common causes of death in the individual SARS, MERS, COVID-19, flu, and community acquired pneumonia cases.

    No doubt the counting “process” has been used to manipulate public sentiment

    **** “ARDS is a very serious disease and unfortunately even with the best medical care the chances of dying from this disease are around 30 to 50%. Those surviving the disease will often have long hospital stays.”

    #56392
    zerosum
    Participant

    “No doubt the “process” of counting has been used to manipulate public sentiment”

    People who cannot pay, (poor, third world), for the “flue shots” must be doomed for extinction.

    https://reviews.cheapism.com/pharmacies/
    In our survey of prescription drug prices, Walmart and Kroger undercut the major drugstores by a wide margin. Walmart is also the cheapest place to buy many over-the-counter medications.

    Average $40.00 in USA

    #56393
    zerosum
    Participant

    Another too hot story

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/28-spring-breaker-covidiots-test-positive-texas-after-group-trip-cabo

    The ‘Covidiots’ have struck again. (Our future elites)

    The City of Austin’s public health department just reported that 28 young adults who recently returned from a spring break trip to Cabo have all tested positive for COVID-19, a local TV news station reports.

    These students were part of a group of roughly 70 mostly UT Austin students left for Cabo a week and a half ago. So far, nearly half of that group has tested positive, while the rest have been warned to remain in self-isolation. The university confirmed that it was mostly UT students.

    #56394
    neoh
    Participant

    Doc Robinson and Dr D. The article is worrisome to me. Not because of the possibility that flu cases have been grossly inflated but because physicians can’t be trusted either.
    I’m not a medical dr. I get a flu shot because my physician recommends it. Most do. I guess the medical community should be added to the do not trust list. I knew big pharma and insurance were there but I didn’t suspect the doctors.
    I’ve read of many nurses that won’t get the jab and have been punished for it. Maybe they know something the docs aren’t revealing?

    #56395
    riesterm
    Participant

    Noted free-lance investigative reporter, Jon Rappoport, has been on to the flu fleecing for years. Check this post out: https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2019/11/11/drilling-down-into-flu-deceptions-and-mind-boggling-lies/

    #56396
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Yesterday, Dr D commented “I still think the [fatality] numbers are yet far lower, just as the flu is some 0.004% or something – it’s only “0.1%” against people in hospitals who bother to get tested.” and I wanted to address that (above), however obliquely.

    To neoh’s concerns about trusting physicians,
    “Not every mainstream medical professional is trying to lie about the flu. Most of these people, as a result of their indoctrination, simply assume conventional wisdom is true. But as you move toward the top of the ladder—for example, public health agencies like the US Centers for Disease Control (CDC)—there are definitely some first-class liars on board.”
    written by Jon Rappoport, from the linked article provided by riesterm

    #56397
    zerosum
    Participant

    riesterm

    I have no way of being knowledgeable enough to fact check Jon Rappoport.
    Therefore, I am one of those people that simply assume conventional wisdom is true.

    ( Must I leave the comfort of the MATRIX?)

    #56398
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    @neon

    No doubt about your assertion regarding physician trustworthiness, but you’re talking about a 4 to 6% load of venal-as-hell sociopaths. Use Hervey Cleckley’s “The Mask of Sanity” for historical reference.
    Yet, I have not met a lawyer, nurse, MBA, or nonphysician administrator that was an adequate substitute for physician leadership in medicine.
    However, the nonphysician leaders sure as hell know how to absorb credit, deflect/coverup blame and publicly rationalize their enormous compensation.

    #56399
    Dr. D
    Participant

    So many doctors, so little time. Doc is correct: the “Flu” numbers are also completely ginned and suspect. Basically, the hospital, the death certificate problem is: you die of something. But when you’re 83 with Alzheimer’s and an enlarged heart, on ten years of oxygen, where the medication is encouraging renal failure, and he’s on his 12th round of antibiotics for bedsores, what does he “die” of? Ultimately, as his health gets weaker, most of the time the lungs become less able, and when less able expel, an infection settles in the lungs and ultimately cannot be defeated. So that guy dies of “pneumonia”, “influenza”, even though, for us common folks, it would really be old age. Medically “old age” is not a thing. But Alzheimer’s doesn’t have a killing blow, only a sapping one, so the final straw gets the camel credit.

    But does that also mean he DIDN’T die of flu? Not really. For our present purposes, and especially with most (not all) people affected over 50, and similarly having underlying health issues, the “flu” they cite is sort of a “death baseline”, and comparable in many ways. I wouldn’t open this can because the numbers and concepts will go nuts, right out into the woods, but there it is.

    If the other Doctors would like to weigh in and whether this is a plausible, arguable point and position.

    “Not every mainstream medical professional is trying to lie about the flu.”

    They quite definitively are NOT. However, if they weren’t followers they’d have been tossed in the first semester, and later with 40 patients a day, have no time for normal (fake, paid-for) research, much less taking up a sideline in nutrition, TCM, or debunking the NEJM on weekends which I’m sure would make many friends. That’s a problem, since if you capture the nit-witted WHO and the dim-witted CDC (as seen in just four weeks of them speaking in public) the very smart doctors WILL simply follow. They’ll follow or bloody well be fired on the spot like anyone else who questions medicine. So they’re not lying, exactly, anymore than the normal people who watch CNN and PBS are lying. They’re just trusting someone else to do their job, despite probably having realized those people are quite perpetually caught NOT doing their job.

    It’s actually order of magnitude better than jack-booting them. They mean well, and what’s more, because of it, you can’t attack or expel them, You can only coax them in tiny steps which would take more than a lifetime, and the sociopaths who ran the top-capture know it. That’s why they did it. They don’t like hard work and exposure either. But they do like money and dead people, and we’ve got quite a pile of both now, and more on the way.

    The only cure, if this is the cause, is not to add MORE authority, with MORE power, in MORE concentration that can be captured. It’s LESS.

    Less authority, more opinions, less work, more time to examine, less power, more individual local solutions. That means you will have silly ideas in places that harm people, but it’s nothing compared to demanding enormous, obviously wrong ones, by a few self-interested men that everyone enacts and cannot question or repair. It’s the same as systems everywhere: you stamp out forest fires and insure a unstoppable, raging inferno. Were a couple of local disagreements really that bad?

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