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    John French Sloan Backyards, Greenwich Village 1926   • China Unauthorised Labs Were Told To Destroy Early Coronavirus Samples (SCMP) • French Do
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    #58839
    V. Arnold
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    John French Sloan Backyards, Greenwich Village 1926

    Love that picture; the cats, the girl in the window, the clothes hanging on the clothes lines, and the kids building a snowman…
    Wonderful…

    #58841
    zerosum
    Participant

    SENIORS.
    Don’t wait until its time for someone to change your diaper

    Be a mentor – Teen power

    Online education
    Foreign student tuition fee don’t apply to online education.

    Students will need to grow up fast and realize that they are responsible to learn and teach themselves, to decide what they want to do with their lives,
    to stop being lazy.

    Earning money is determined by doing something for someone with money, who is willing to pay you,
    because
    1. they don’t want to do it
    2. they don’t know how to do it.

    Practicum, on hand experience, apprenticeship, retraining, upgrading.

    Start mentoring.
    Elders can make their end of life better or worst
    Over 80% of seniors are dying with dirty diapers

    #58842
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    How ‘Overreaction’ Made Vietnam A Virus Success (BBC)

    With the benefit of hindsight, some ‘overreactions’ can still look like overreactions, while some others can end up looking like under-reactions. That’s the thing about uncertainty and limited information. Precautions, based on the best information available at the time, can later be seen as mistakes, when the situation becomes more clear. Rational caution could retrospectively be construed as irrational fear.

    If a family pays for 12 months of auto insurance, but is not involved in any car accidents during the entire year (and they are not stopped by the police during that year), then was the money wasted? Was it a mistake for them to pay for car insurance that year? Were they too fearful about the small possibility of being in a car crash?

    #58843
    Maxwell Quest
    Participant

    “China Unauthorised Labs Were Told To Destroy Early Coronavirus Samples (SCMP)”
    “French Doctors Think They May Have Treated COVID19 Patients Last Fall (Hill)”

    I’m reminded of all the bank heist movies over the years in which the thieves douse the getaway car with gasoline and torch it. They certainly are destructive, going out of their way to destroy a perfectly good vehicle just for kicks. Or is there something I’m not seeing here? Left behind fingerprints or DNA evidence perhaps that could be used to put the authorities on their trail?

    In a related story, it appears that during the week of October 14-19, 2019, there was no cellphone activity around the Wuhan Institute of Virology or any of the roads leading to it, almost as if an emergency containment perimeter were set up around the lab after an accident had occurred. Of course, I’m sure it was nothing, and that there is a good explanation coming from the CCP. Possibly an emergency street fair or gay pride parade while the local cell towers were being recalibrated?

    #58844

    So what’s the solution to ennui?
    Lust, passion, fervor, purpose.
    War works, doesn’t it?
    What’s the solution to 30 million workers without a job?
    War works again.
    What’s the solution to a nation divided?
    What’s the solution to cowardice?
    War.

    Rattle those bright shining sabers.
    Their soulmates await in the distance.
    Let’s join with our friends and our neighbors
    And alter our state of existance.
    [bitter/s]

    War. It may not be the usual response to an enigmatic pathogen, but it is the historical answer to economic upheaval.
    I don’t see how China is at fault for the West’s ineptitude. Of course, if they played us for Keystone Cops (six feet apart, of course), does that make them bad, or smart?
    Currency war; trade war; cold war, hot war. “The Art of War” is short enough for even generals and politicians to read. It is the Alpha Dog’s handbook.

    #58845
    kimyo99
    Participant

    This just about has it all: Bill Gates, forced vaccinations, nanochip implants

    what is the difference: 1) bill gates forces you to get a vaccine / nanochip implant
    2) bill gates denies you access to society unless you carry a smartphone running a tracking/contact app

    is it ‘force’ if you can be jailed for failing to carry your covid-safe e-papers?

    you keep mocking this ‘conspiracy theory’. why? the result is exactly the same.

    bonus question: what is the appropriate punishment for a person who leaves their house without their immunity certificate?

    #58846

    “The very idea of global social and economic shutdown as a means to fight an illness is itself the most vile example of Doublethink ever devised. The whole concept places the entire human race at risk of starvation and economic ruin in order to prevent some small fraction of humanity from getting sick.
    “Even more absurd is the notion that isolating those who have survived the virus, thus depriving the rest of us from sharing their immunity.”
    This from a site called The Far Side from Bernard Grover(“augenguy”). Those who think the world has been put under an evil spell by Fauci and Ferguson would appreciate it. It wouldn’t hurt those who think we are being “compassionate” with his nightmare behavior to read it, as well.

    #58847

    Sorry: “Life on the Far Side”.

    #58848
    lasttwo
    Participant

    my parents said know

    Yes Smells like War. Would explain the whole thing wouldn’t it ?

    A little poem called world war 3 – a little poem wrote by me.

    The war machine and the .1% agree, they no longer need you and me.

    Unleash a virus, lock down the world, blame it on China. that’s not absurd.

    fill up the factories building destruction. the final point to democracies abduction.

    for the 1% half the worlds not enough. They will only be happy when they have all the stuff.

    #58849
    Arttua
    Participant

    In my mail box today, (Vt, USA) an 8 page newspaper, The Epoch Times. Every article is an attack piece on China. Title articale “How the Chinese Communist Party Endangered the World” ,
    The drum beats of war.

    #58851
    John Day
    Participant

    http://www.johndayblog.com
    Forgive me for posting what was posted here yesterday, but it’s part of the political discourse.

    “A truth that’s told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent” William Blake opens for Ben Hunt       A political narrative of betrayal is always a top-down application of social abstraction, where a behavioral model is treated as the thing unto itself, falsely elevated as the subject and object of policy, rather than relegated to the analytical toolbox where it belongs. A political narrative of betrayal will always use “model” as a noun rather than “model” as a verb. A political narrative of betrayal always BEGINS with a prescriptive model of mass behavior – a model that by the most amazing coincidence serves the institutional advantage of the narrative creator – and ENDS with a forced fit to the individual citizen.  All political narratives of betrayal start like this, with a disembodied, modeled abstraction like “the American way of life” or “the economy” or “the market” or “public health” or “national security”. An abstraction that is then defined for you in such a way as to logically require the willing abdication of your individual rights, first as an American and ultimately as a human being…  The American Way of Life™ does not exist. It’s not a thing.   What exists is the way of life of Americans.https://www.epsilontheory.com/a-truth-thats-told-with-bad-intent/ 

    Gail Tverberg has the completely valid other horn of the dilemma:  We are finding that using shutdowns to solve COVID-19 problems causes a huge amount of economic damage. The cost of mitigating this damage seems to be unreasonably high. For example, in the United States, antibody studies suggest that roughly 5% of the population has been infected with COVID-19. The total number of deaths associated with this 5% infection level is perhaps 100,000, assuming that reported deaths to date (about 80,000) need to be increased somewhat, to match the approximately 5% of the population that has, knowingly or unknowingly, already experienced the infection.
      If we estimate that the mean number of years of life lost is 13 years per person, then the total years of life lost would be about 1,300,000. If we estimate that the US treasury needed to borrow $3 trillion dollars to mitigate this damage, the cost per year of life lost is $3 trillion divided by 1.3 million, or $2.3 million dollars per year of life lost. This amount is utterly absurd. (Note: It IS Absurd and completely unreal, making the zombie system keep walking forward by plugging impossible black holes of debt due today with even more vast impossible IOUs of future payment.)
    Understanding Our Pandemic – Economy Predicament

    Want a fast recovery? Invest in tests, Fed’s Kaplan says
    Even with tens of millions of jobs lost and a historic decline in output projected this quarter, the U.S. economy could still pull off a relatively quick recovery, Dallas Federal Reserve President Robert Kaplan said on Thursday…
    “The highest return on equity investment we can make in this country is testing.”  (He doesn’t know about Vitamin-D) https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-fed-kaplan-idUSKBN22Q3NW  

    5000 IU/day of vitamin-D cuts COVID morbidity and mortality by something like half. It’s the lowest hanging fruit of public health and personal choice. I gave away 1250 doses at work yesterday for coworkers to share with their families. It’s what I could get my hands on. I ordered 3000 more doses to do the same thing when it arrives. This will be my 4th or 5th  round of that intervention. 

    #58852
    zerosum
    Participant

    We are at war. We need a war time budget. USA has a +36 Million casualties.
    Democrats push new $3T coronavirus relief bill through House

    #58853
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Democrats push new $3T coronavirus relief bill through House

    Welcome to the hall of mirrors…

    #58854
    Huskynut
    Participant

    Doc R
    With the benefit of hindsight, some ‘overreactions’ can still look like overreactions, while some others can end up looking like under-reactions. That’s the thing about uncertainty and limited information. Precautions, based on the best information available at the time, can later be seen as mistakes, when the situation becomes more clear. Rational caution could retrospectively be construed as irrational fear.
    Your point is well made, and in the face of such ambiguity, there can only be uncertainty. In the face of uncertainty, we can only expect (hope) for transparency of information and rationale. The reason I keep banging on about NZ’s response being an over-reaction is because it was based on shonky advice (a decision paper that a high school debating student could have driven a truck through. And that advice was withheld from the public until the lockdown was fait accompli. So in no way could there be any kind of public concensus on the need for (harsh L4) lockdown. As the decision was taken pre-emptorily, the burden of proof for the need for harsh lockdown should rest entirely with the government, and not with the lockdown critics. From this starting point, the government is a long and ever-increasing way from demonstrating that proof.

    John Day
    If we estimate that the mean number of years of life lost is 13 years per person, then the total years of life lost would be about 1,300,000.
    I’ve seen the reports estimating mean lost life at 13 years, and I can’t reconcile it with other reports that the mean age of death is 79 or 80 yo. (but I agree with you btw on the ludicrously high monetary value placed on each year). Obviously deaths of younger people will skew the means in this direction, but by 13 years? The corollory of course (never mentioned in the media) is that excess deaths due to lockdown (untreated medical conditions, suicide etc) will almost certainly skew far younger (ie greater lost life years) than victims of Covid (who tend to be old). So if we’re going to measure/discuss this way, let’s fix the goalposts and start reporting the lost life years of lockdown victims. /sarc yeah like, that’s gonna happen… /endsarc

    #58855
    John Day
    Participant

    @Huskynut,
    Well, I see that my artifice of presenting Ben Hunt and Gail Tverberg as the horns of a dilemma, then cutting that Gordian knot with vitamin-D may not have gone off as successfully as planned.
    More tomorrow.
    Tomorrow morning I’ll drop the truth-BOMB about our friendly new coronavirus.

    #58856
    WES
    Participant

    Up here in Toronto, I went with my daughter to Home Depot to get some drywall compound and paint.

    We both wore N95 masks and gloves.

    At best mask wearing about 50:50. Some even wearing masks partly down! One person removed their mask at cashier!

    Respecting social distancing inside the store? Not so much! Only in the waiting line into the store!

    Oh by the way, the store was busy!

    My daughter said it was scary, people behaving as if the virus never existed! This was her first trip outside of the house since she came home from University!

    #58857
    WES
    Participant

    I am appalled that Canada’s and US’s top health officials are still saying masks don’t work!

    Everywhere where masks are worn by most of the people, they have the numbers to prove it does work!

    #58858

    How is a 5% infection rate indicative of a HIGHLY contagious virus? The health officials are dancing around tests- “not-for-diagnosis” RT-PCR tests, 0-100% accurate antibody tests…
    Is this a fiercely contagious pathogen or not? If it’s so contagious, then it isn’t particularly lethal. If it’s incredibly lethal, then it isn’t so contagious. Health “officials” want it both ways and the numbers simply won’t support them. Vague and sparse test results work to keep the narrative intact.
    When the narrative falls apart, there are always the squirrels of war.
    I still can’t believe that Big Mother told us to stay away from each other, and we said “okay”.

    #58859
    zerosum
    Participant

    I’ve driven more than a dozen time beside my home depot and, to my amazement, the parking lot has always been full. (Lots of people spending money.)

    I cannot tell if our experts and leaders are telling the truth.

    Trillions of dollars have been given out.
    Claims of billions upon billion of dollars were being lost by the entertainment, hotels, casinos, airlines, etc., .
    Question:
    1. Are the consumers richer and sitting upon a pile of cash just dying to go on a spending spree?
    2. Can all those claims of loss be an exaggeration?
    3. Why did those trillions of dollars that were given out not replace those billions of dollars than were loss?

    Who is telling the truth? I cannot tell.

    #58860
    Huskynut
    Participant

    @ John Day
    I read your earlier post quickly and didn’t properly grasp what you were saying. On a close re-read I do get it and – so looking forward to tomorrow’s next installment!
    PS, sarc in my earlier comment wasn’t directed at you, of course.

    #58862
    Dr. D
    Participant

    China must know what it was or they wouldn’t want to destroy it. Or if they were trying to claim it wasn’t theirs, they would have said so then, not months later. This says “lab” to me, although it doesn’t have to be malicious. At least we got the dreadful pangolin thing gone. At this rate we can tell the truth by 2056, after 99.95% of us die of something unrelated.

    Winning nations said they were overreacting, but the U.S. was told that too. Vitamin D has proven to be strangely more relevant than one might expect, which helps explain the distribution worldwide, as the distribution in Viet Nam, but also Florida, America’s waiting room. And is another point of how the medical advice has been 180 wrong out of all the institutions and therefore governments. No masks, send patients TO nursing homes, stay inside as far away from vitamin D as possible. Lupus patients do indeed have better immunity: don‘t look at HCQ. WHO says don’t give immune suppressants to fight the overreaction, etc. Has expert advice killed 1/3 of the people? Half? We may never know. That could be part of the strange distribution as well.

    “Medicare for All means never losing your health insurance if you lose your job,”

    Before 1990, our health care mostly worked and only needed a seasonal overhaul. Since government-lobbyist complex got involved, it doesn’t work at all, doubly since ACA, a lobbyist wish-list, as expected. And with 10 years of 10% increases leading up to and after. Gosh if lobbyists and government co-created this against doctors, what’s the solution? “pushing new subsidies for private health insurance companies,”

    an anti-inflammatory drug approved for rheumatoid arthritis”

    Huh. Isn’t HCQ also used for RA and a lot cheaper?

    Seems strange that the military could give doses faster than the ten-thousand existing hospitals we already have, sounds more like a PR exercise, showing we’re “doing something”. Yes, something irrational and oversold. But I’m sure they’re helpful, they’re just a LOT smaller than all doctors and hospitals combined. The number difference is so massive, they could probably beat the U.S. military in lasertag by sheer numbers.

    24% unemployment. How long do you think we can live when nobody is doing any work? Guess we won’t find out now, and so much the better. They’re trying to stop the planting, so I’m glad they won’t get the chance. They wouldn’t like the results of their initiative.

    ICU room: is Denmark a success or a failure? If they hold off having any virus will they never have immunity and be hiding and at risk for 20 more years? While Sweden goes back to life? Not declaring here, just asking. What’s the plan?

    People aren’t protesting for the right to BE waitresses and hairdressers, they’re fighting for the right to HAVE them. This is about white people demanding service.”

    Wow. #OppositeLand, how wrong can you be? The people protesting were the WORKERS, willing to put themselves in danger to WORK. FOR you. The chronic complainers who clearly don’t grow food and deliver it. The people complaining were all the people who aren’t essential and don’t work, as they didn’t have any trouble or worries sitting at home. It’s pretty amazing. I feel there’s a certain divide that pairs up with a certain outlook: one group hates work and their dream and goal in life is to never work or do anything useful again. That’s the UBI, etc group, anti-capitalism, all that stuff. The other group WANTS to work, and is constantly annoyed and dodging the first group trying every method – regulation, rules, helping – to STOP work, to STOP others from doing what they want, which is expressing themselves, helping other people…through work. Okay, fine, although you’re trampling the rights of the workers…in the name of the worker’s rights. We’ll see how that works in the election, as attacking the working class didn’t work so well in ‘16. However, if you go system-wide with one group vs the other, it’s pretty easy to see what will happen. One method will stop all production and collapse us into the stone age, the other would move us forward to over-abundance. …And that’s been proven out every time, dozens of times, since October 1917.

    No, they’re fighting you – on the edge of using guns – for the right TO cut YOUR hair, not their own. To support THEIR kids, not fighting to have someone else, you, support them. Please don’t diminish how radically different this is. Some people love life and want to go live it. Some people love others, and put themselves at risk to help them. Some people live bravely and don’t cower in their basements fearing death. They don’t stop you from hiding and shirking work, so give them the same courtesy.

    They’re radically anti-worker. That’s just amazing to me. Especially when they still want all that stuff — iPhones, tacos — that work provides. They just don’t want to pay? Is that why they use 3rd world and slave labor abroad and promote 2nd class citizens at home? Don’t sweat it, man, just do some nobility of work and feel better about yourself. Don’t consume: create.

    #58863
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yeah, the lockdown has been a joke. I’m not kidding about Pottersville. If every WalMart and Home Depot is packed, why bother? Just to keep drug dealers, liquor stores, dispensaries, prostitutes and Amazon in business but close every barber and Joe Tile Shoppe? It’s everything opposite of what you’d want from an economically and socially healthy nation, and we’re legally requiring it and subsidizing it. Then, clearly no one believes the experts and authorities, as they don’t really wear masks, and WI bars are packed the day Prohibition ended. That means they’re just not afraid, despite everything they could do, 24/7 for 21 weeks. Smart or other, I won’t say, just that they don’t believe you. You’re a hack, a nobody, a zero to them. Experts and authorities should probably look into why that is, before science itself is defunded and replaced with gawd-‘elp-us due to a total, screaming, lack of credibility. You know, like the WHO. I’m not that optimistic. Like other cults and religions, they have a hard time with internal reform, disciplining their own, which is odd, because that’s the basis of it.

    Anyway, no masks, no gloves, DGAF, and now they’re so at it, governments are courting riots and lightposts. Why bother? They had to step aside to retain the credibility that they are “in charge” before the people take the reins and kick them out or worse.

    Smart? Stupid? That’s not the point. The point is, the culture, the nation, is never going to be better than itself, and they’re constantly at this. Somehow a science, or a government, or an expert drawn from the population is going to be better than its inputs and its environment: the population. It can’t be. It’s like “People get the government they deserve”, because it reflects who THEY are, what’s inside the people in aggregate. Nothing can dodge that, not all the harassing and scolding in the world. Certainly not law and a Constitutional amendment, as seen in Prohibition. Alcohol use and problems went UP, as with the “War on Drugs” but they never learn. Just say “I told you to obey.” They are who they are. Stop ordering them around and bugging them. It wastes your time and annoys the pig. The only way is to provide something new, an alternative, so they can voluntarily elevate themselves. And despite current trends this was happening and worked great several times in U.S. history, until the “experts” are re-installed by a extractive minority of disaster capitalists again.

    You’re quite right about CV: 21 weeks in both can’t be true: it’s either contagious or dangerous, but not both. Their science is a rat’s nest: it makes no sense. Random countries succeed, and each thing that “worked” has an opposite exception to the rule. We just refuse to look at the examples that challenge our opinions. Each thing we know, no children, etc, shows an opposite. They still know nothing, and still the numbers, cases, locations, and processes contradict themselves, allowing each person to pick a constellation at random and support their random personal opinion. That screams data pollution and manipulation. If any case is equally plausible, something far deeper is happening, and need to step back another level.

    Anyway, if 66% of quarantines had it, DID the masks work? Why were they bothering? That says very contagious to me, just like coronas, just like common colds. Which means very, very not-dangerous, as the numbers seem to bear out, although we have strange, single-spot outliers like NYC. That means I suspect the test isn’t picking up the cases fully, and the exposure/antibody rate is higher. But there’s my bias, drawing same random conclusions based on criminally faulty data. The only thing worse than that would be doing fancy math on it. Good news would be: since you get it just as fast hiding at home with your mask on, then when we take masks off, it won’t make much difference. http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239297

    Like it or not, we’re about to find out. Thankfully, we have decided this before we all starve.

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