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    Esther Bubley Greaseball, mascot at Stevens Airport, Frederick, MD October 1943 Since we can all attest to the fact that our financial banking economi
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    #12056
    Raleigh
    Participant

    Great article! Getting money out of politics is THE first step that must occur. Everything else we can come up with follows from that.

    “Mr Jiang sent a message saying “the footprint of this anti-corruption campaign cannot get too big” in a warning to Mr Xi not to take on too many of the powerful families or patronage networks at the top of the party hierarchy.”

    And this is a former Chinese president!!! Did China provide the huge amount of stimulus after the financial crisis occurred because they were worried about peasant anger (from them losing their jobs), or was it done in order to bail the elite out, keep it all going until they could get their money out of the country?

    These guys are just as bad, if not worse, than the scumbag politicians here, and their and their family members’ money is safe in the British Virgin Islands and other tax havens.

    https://www.icij.org/offshore/leaked-records-reveal-offshore-holdings-chinas-elite#

    #12057
    rapier
    Participant

    Getting money out of politics is as unlikely as getting CO2 emissions down significantly. These two things are entwined and really inseperable. When they happen they will happen together and neither will happen by choice.

    #12060
    Raleigh
    Participant

    rapier – you are probably right. This is interesting: 2012 Follow the Money Chart for “Who owns the US government?”

    https://auntieimperial.tumblr.com/post/81304737110

    Yowza! That’s a lot of money, and they have guns too.

    Supreme Court ruled 5-4 today to “eliminate limits on how much money people can donate in total in one election season. […] In effect, it expands the loosening of campaign finance laws that occurred with the high court’s Citizens United decision in 2010 that eased campaign spending by outside groups.”

    https://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/politics/scotus-political-donor-limits/

    Just great, more money. Is anyone starting to feel slightly strangled?

    Ilargi, I do think that change is possible, but it’s going to take a catastrophic event to wake people up, and it’s going to have to knock their socks off. And even then, I don’t think they could handle too much change in the status quo. What do you think of Karl Denninger’s “One Dollar of Capital”? He seems to think it would stop all inflation, which might curtail growth a fair bit.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=209282

    #12074
    polistra
    Participant

    Two of those suggestions are important. Cleaning out banks is what FDR did in 1933, and it worked. Breaking up EU is obviously needed.

    But getting money out of politics is neither possible nor important.

    The US national election system has been a bad idea from the start. Commentators in the 1850’s were describing the Presidential election as “imaginary”.

    Look at a controlled experiment: Canada and US started with the same people and same system. Canada kept Parliament, US chose a new system. Now Canada is better off, more adaptable, more able to roll with the punches. When problems come up, Canada can solve them.

    US is absolutely frozen in place, unable to do anything remotely sane. Vast amounts of money pour into the two political brands, which are identical.

    They’d still be identical without the money, and the system would still be completely broken without the money.

    #12081
    SteveB
    Participant

    “Abandoning the use of money altogether is not one I consider to be serious…”

    That didn’t surprise me, but after reading Nicole’s latest I find it baffling. Maybe you define “serious” differently than I do. Nicole says that we have no other choice but to decentralize. Excluding choices will lead to that. Fortunately, you and Nicole don’t get to decide the choices—serious or otherwise; they exist.

    #12083
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    Good article and good ideas, but until criminals are prosecuted, no solution will make any real difference.

    Zero Prosecutions of Elites for Most Destructive Frauds in World History-William Black

    A huge sorting out of winners and losers is coming. The message so far from the big winners of power and big winners of wealth is, “crime pays.”

    In addition to punishing crime, I’ll add one more recommendation, and that is to impose shorter and stricter term limits on all elective offices. Governments are really NEVER democratic except on the days ballots are cast.

    #12084
    GeoLib
    Participant

    Step 4

    #12087
    imaginer
    Participant

    I believe it will take true grassroots efforts, and the National Liberty Alliance fits the need.

    The mission of the National Liberty Alliance is to restore the people to sovereignty through knowledge, and only then will they be armed with the virtue to take political and judicial power. The people have it in their power to disarm and defeat the enemy of Liberty both foreign and domestic if they only understood the principles of freedom and to stand upon them.

    To take political power is to control our elected representatives, by bringing them into obedience through fear of the people. This is accomplished by understanding the office of & becoming an elected committeemen, and then execute the powers of the Common Law Grand Jury.

    To take judicial power is to control our courts by understanding jurisdiction and bringing into subjection all government officers and officials using common law courts by opening courts of record, and executing “people” authority, it is that simple!

    But, to successfully apply political and judicial power you must have a sense of justice and mercy which is synonymous with virtue. And to get virtue you need to have a relationship with your creator. If everyone exercised these principles America could shake off the chains of tyranny, reinstate our republic, and bring down the NWO “literally overnight”.

    This is the only way to save the nation, for without power you are powerless!

    NLA started at a kitchen table less than a year ago and have grown to 2470 people nationally. The goal is to constitute Common Law Grand Juries in every U.S. County.

    There are 3142 County’s in the Nation.

    To date, 314 Counties have been administratively constituted though not seated yet.

    8 States have constituted the Administration of the Common Law Jury in all counties.

    These videos will explain the rationale of invoking the Common Law Grand Jury.

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/slavery-consent

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/common-law

    Breaking News: Quo Warranto filing imminent in New York State

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/Quo%20Waranto%20filed%203-24-14.pdf

    ***** Please notice the parts on INJURIES and DUTY OF THE COURT *****

    Writ of Prohibition

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/WRIT%20OF%20PROHIBITION.pdf?onlineViewer=false

    No Legal Authority of the Admiralty (CORPORATE) Court

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/No%20legal%20authority.pdf

    Prudinti tru counsel

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/Prudinti%20tru%20counsel%2010-10-13.pdf?onlineViewer=false

    Writ of Mandamus

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/sites/default/files/01_19_14%20St%20Johns%20Writ%20of%20Mandamus%20.pdf

    Keep up with the efforts in YOUR State here:

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/state-pages-introduction

    Reestablishing True Justice is the best way to begin to solve our many problems.

    There are those who say succession is the answer.

    There are those who say a move to amend is what is needed.

    I say NO.

    Neither of these efforts will truly fulfill what’s still deep in our hearts somewhere.

    We must stand together as a people and restore what has been stolen from us.

    Our Communities, Our States, Our Constitution.

    Together we can do anything.

    Thank you for listening, we need all of you.

    In Faith,

    Stephen Nacci – Rhode Island Coordinator
    National Liberty Alliance
    * HONOR * JUSTICE * MERCY *
    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org

    #12088
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    Imaginer, what does your National Liberty Alliance claim to provide that the freedom movement hasn’t already offered ad-nauseum for the last fifty-plus years? Milton Friedman’s “Free to Choose” series aired on PBS back in 1976, as I recall, which would have been five years after Libertarianism was invented in Lakewood, Colorado. So many facets of constitutionalism and libertarianism have come and gone since. Harry Browne and Ron Paul come to mind, but so many others have also tried mightily to make an impression politically. The Future of Freedom Foundation, Foundation for Economic Education, Lew Rockwell, Cato Institute and countless others have tried so hard to make a dent philosophically, and to educate Americans. None of it ever won even ten percent of the hearts and minds of Americans. We live in a country where, ironically, freedom isn’t actually all that popular. Everybody wants to chain down somebody else. We live in a world where myriad forms of theft and brutality share equal ground as business models with free markets and honest work. Despite all of man’s technological, scientific and moral achievements, we still operate under jungle law. For instance, what government doesn’t operate under the creed “might makes right?” Constitutional law? Don’t make the three branches laugh!

    I worked for nearly a decade with a woman who earned her PhD in China, and became a top scientist under Mao. She emigrated to the US, learned English, earned another PhD, and became a top research scientist for a big company here. One day she confided something to me that she said she’d never told anybody else. She said, “Do you know what the worst part of living in communist China under Mao was?”

    Go ahead: think about that for a moment and take a guess.

    “It was the fact that you couldn’t speak your mind to anybody, not even your family. You didn’t dare. Nobody could be trusted.”

    Well, that is increasingly how it is here in the United States. And as far as I know, and as far as you know, too, the National Liberty Alliance might just be “controlled opposition.” Welcome to American Intelligence, where deception is a much bigger (and better financed) weapon than subs, ships, fighter jets and nukes.

    You see, that’s why organized crime is so successful. Most of the people working for the mob don’t know they’re working for the mob. But this post is already too long, so maybe more on that another day. In the mean time, I don’t know if your outfit is legit or not, but I don’t trust anybody in this country any more.

    #12101
    imaginer
    Participant

    Good Morning Diogenes Shrugged,

    Thank you for your thoughtful post.

    Imaginer, what does your National Liberty Alliance claim to provide that the freedom movement hasn’t already offered ad-nauseum for the last fifty-plus years?

    As far as I know, there has never been an nationwide effort to to seat a Common Law Grand Jury in every county of the country to address so many issues as outlined in the Quo Warranto ever in our history.

    ….So many facets of constitutionalism and libertarianism have come and gone since….

    You assume I personally am a libertarian, or a Constitutionalist.

    You would be mistaken friend, as my philosophy differs from those in important ways.

    First of all, my beliefs include exercising the rights as outlined in the Magna Carta, and before that for me personally, Brehon Law, and before that Gods law, and the natural rights we have been bestowed from the beginning of human existence.

    Second of all, I am a Georgist, not a libertarian, though I do work with folks with those beliefs, I feel my role is to reach out and work with those who might have beliefs that I consider incomplete and perhaps compromised by groups like the Von Mises Institute funded by folks like the Rockefellers.

    Just as our justice system has been undermined, so has the economics field.

    https://www.amazon.com/The-Corruption-Economics-Georgist-Paradigm/dp/0856832448/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1396620420&sr=8-2&keywords=mason+gaffney

    Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term, so check out the meager blog I just started.

    https://geoeconomics.wordpress.com/

    There are two types of Libertarians:

    According to classical liberals, land belonged to the user for as long as the land was being used, and no longer. But according to royal libertarians, land belongs to the first user, forever. So, do the oceans belong to the heirs of the first person to take a fish out or put a boat in? Does someone who plows the same field each year own only one field, while someone who plows a different field each year owns dozens of fields? Should the builder of the first transcontinental railroad own the continent? Shouldn’t we at least have to pay a toll to cross the tracks? Are there no common rights to the earth at all? To royal libertarians, there are not; but classical liberals recognized that unlimited ownership of land never flowed from use, but from the state:

    A right of property in movable things is admitted before the establishment of government. A separate property in lands not till after that establishment…. He who plants a field keeps possession of it till he has gathered the produce, after which one has as good a right as another to occupy it. Government must be established and laws provided, before lands can be separately appropriated and their owner protected in his possession. Till then the property is in the body of the nation. — Thomas Jefferson

    https://www.abeldanger.net/2012/04/henry-georges-land-value-tax-phony.html

    Another essay on the subject.

    https://geolib.com/essays/sullivan.dan/royallib.html

    You said – “For instance, what government doesn’t operate under the creed “might makes right?” Constitutional law? Don’t make the three branches laugh!”

    Please see this supreme court ruling as to the proper standing in Law of the CLGJ.

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/juristdocs/US%20v%20Williams.pdf

    The National Liberty Alliance is approaching this from the perspective of the inherent rights of the people themselves, not the three branches of government, the 4th branch.

    “The Common Law Grand Jury is an unalienable right, protected under the Law by the Fifth Amendment. Common Law is synonymous with Natural Law which can never be codified or supplanted, for Common Law is our American Heritage, born of the Declaration of Independence.”

    “I don’t know if your outfit is legit or not, but I don’t trust anybody in this country any more.”

    Believe me, I am of the same mind and what you wrote above that statement is unfortunately something we are forced to contend with, but is always been so, no?

    “There is nothing new under the sun.”

    All I can say, despite my own reservations, and acknowledging yours as truthful, I have decided to take “A Leap of Faith.”

    It is always worth a try as we stand on the shoulders of those who struggled before us.

    I will conclude this answer to you with a question.

    Are you lost at sea?

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/files/juristdocs/International-Law-Admiralty-Maritime-Are-You-Lost-at-Sea%20rev%202.pdf

    Thank you sir.

    Stephen Nacci – Rhode Island Coordinator
    National Liberty Alliance
    * HONOR * JUSTICE * MERCY *

    https://www.nationallibertyalliance.org/preface

    #12119
    Diogenes Shrugged
    Participant

    Imaginer, thank you for your exhaustive reply.

    Looking over your links, I should be frank in telling you that I’m not an attorney, so legal documents are above my head. I am an atheist, so all references to “higher law” and such are lost on me. Furthermore, I’m an anarchist in the sense that I view humans as sovereigns, so any ambition to collect taxes by force is anathema.

    There is also the matter that I view land as private property rather than as a commons. The American Indian viewed land as a commons, and it worked well for him. But we have to work with what we’re faced with now, and that’s land as private property. Of course, nobody really owns his land as long as governments collect property taxes, so perhaps Georgism is just a variant on the present system of *illusory* private property after all.

    No need to clarify anything for me. I will continue to look over your links as time permits. But I think your Liberty Alliance will have a steep uphill struggle as long as it lacks a pithy, short, and understandable mission statement (like a Twitter post) that anybody could understand immediately. Most people have neither the time nor the patience for a dozen links to legal documents and videos.

    Again, thanks.
    Diogenes Shrugged
    * HONESTY *

    #12120
    imaginer
    Participant
    #12121
    imaginer
    Participant

    Regarding geoeconomics, the land title would be Usufruct verses Allodial

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usufruct

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allodial_title

    Basically the Land Value Tax (LVT or Single Tax) espoused by Henry George means you pay for the “rent” of the land that you use, but not a dime on ANY improvements, such as buildings, etc. It is based on the concept that no human created the earth.

    Arden, Delaware, for instance, has been a Single-Tax, Arts and Crafts, Garden-City Utopia since 1900. https://www.arden.delaware.gov/

    They are also related to the original game of Monopoly, our big problem today.

    This article is from the TV Show, “History Detectives”

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=https://www-tc.pbs.org/opb/historydetectives/static/media/transcripts/2011-04-08/202_monopoly.pdf

    It was called the “landlords Game” and was stolen and then misrepresented, of course!

    I like this model as it is fairly simple to read.

    https://www.henrygeorge.org/isms.htm

    This combined with a new monetary system for the people could be a great help to us.

    I believe that the Georgist System is an “Automatic Earth” model in that because we are facing a huge lack of funds in the short term as this system dies, stewardship of the land and the environment would be mostly self regulated and this system meets that challenge. It also has natural incentives for people to improve the land and themselves.

    #12185
    imaginer
    Participant

    https://beforeitsnews.com/tea-party/2014/04/de-facto-coup-detat-over-the-united-states-2524182.html

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    XXXIII President of the United States: 1933-1945

    2 – Proclamation 2038 – Calling Congress into Extraordinary Session
    March 5, 1933

    By the President of the United States of America
    A Proclamation

    Whereas public interests require that the Congress of the United States
    should be convened in extra session at twelve o’clock, noon, on the
    Ninth day of March, 1933, to receive such communication as may be made
    by the Executive;

    Now, Therefore, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States
    of America, do hereby proclaim and declare that an extraordinary
    occasion requires the Congress of the United States to convene in extra
    session at the Capitol in the City of Washington on the Ninth day of
    March, 1933, at twelve o’clock, noon, of which all persons who shall at
    that time be entitled to act as members thereof are hereby required to
    take notice.

    In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused to be affixed
    the great seal of the United States.

    FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    XXXIII President of the United States: 1933-1945

    8 – Proclamation 2039 – Declaring Bank Holiday
    March 6, 1933

    By the President of the United States of America
    A Proclamation

    Whereas there have been heavy and unwarranted withdrawals of gold and
    currency from our banking institutions for the purpose of hoarding; and

    Whereas continuous and increasingly extensive speculative activity
    abroad in foreign exchange has resulted in severe drains on the Nation’s
    stocks of gold; and

    Whereas those conditions have created a national emergency; and

    Whereas it is in the best interests of all bank depositors that a period
    of respite be provided with a view to preventing further hoarding of
    coin, bullion or currency or speculation in foreign exchange and
    permitting the application of appropriate measures to protect the
    interests of our people; and

    Whereas it is provided in Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917
    (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended, “That the President may investigate,
    regulate, or prohibit, under such rules and regulations as he may
    prescribe, by means of licenses or otherwise, any transactions in
    foreign exchange and the export, hoarding, melting, or earmarkings of
    gold or silver coin or bullion or currency . . .”; and

    Whereas it is provided in Section 16 of the said Act “That whoever shall
    willfully violate any of the provisions of this Act or of any license,
    rule, or regulation issued thereunder, and whoever shall willfully
    violate, neglect, or refuse to comply with any order of the President
    issued in compliance with the provisions of this Act, shall, upon
    conviction, be fined not more than $10,000, or, if a natural person,
    imprisoned for not more than ten years, or both . . .”;

    Now, Therefore I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States
    of America, in view of such national emergency and by virtue of the
    authority vested in me by said Act and in order to prevent the export,
    hoarding, or earmarking of gold or silver coin or bullion or currency,
    do hereby proclaim, order, direct and declare that from Monday, the
    Sixth day of March, to Thursday, the Ninth day of March, Nineteen
    Hundred and Thirty-three, both dates inclusive, there shall be
    maintained and observed by all banking institutions and all branches
    thereof located in the United States of America, including the
    territories and insular possessions, a bank holiday, and that during
    said period all banking transactions shall be suspended. During such
    holiday, excepting as hereinafter provided, no such banking institution
    or branch shall pay out, export, earmark, or permit the withdrawal or
    transfer in any manner or by any device whatsoever, of any gold or
    silver coin or bullion or currency or take any other action which might
    facilitate the hoarding thereof; nor shall any such banking institution
    or branch pay out deposits, make loans or discounts, deal in foreign
    exchange, transfer credits from the United States to any place abroad,
    or transact any other banking business whatsoever.

    During such holiday, the Secretary of the Treasury, with the approval of
    the President and under such regulations as he may prescribe, is
    authorized and empowered (a) to permit any or all of such banking
    institutions to perform any or all of the usual banking functions, (b)
    to direct, require or permit the issuance of clearing house certificates
    or other evidences of claims against assets of banking institutions, and
    (c) to authorize and direct the creation in such banking institutions of
    special trust accounts for the receipt of new deposits which shall be
    subject to withdrawal on demand without any restriction or limitation
    and shall be kept separately in cash or on deposit in Federal Reserve
    Banks or invested in obligations of the United States.

    As used in this order the term “banking institutions” shall include all
    Federal Reserve Banks, national banking associations, banks, trust
    companies, savings banks, building and loan associations, credit unions,
    or other corporations, partnerships, associations or persons, engaged in
    the business of receiving deposits, making loans, discounting business
    paper, or transacting any other form of banking business.

    FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

    My whole hearted apology to the web site these docs were copied from.
    Future posts will include the proper credit.

    Franklin D. Roosevelt

    XXXIII President of the United States: 1933-1945

    11 – Proclamation 2040 – Bank Holiday
    March 9, 1933

    By the President of the United States of America
    A Proclamation

    Whereas, on March 6, 1933, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the
    United States of America, by Proclamation declared the existence of a
    national emergency and proclaimed a bank holiday extending from Monday
    the 6th day of March to Thursday the 9th day of March, 1933, both dates
    inclusive, in order to prevent the export, hoarding or earmarking of
    gold or silver coin, or bullion or currency, or speculation in foreign
    exchange; and

    Whereas, under the Act of March 9, 1933, all Proclamations heretofore or
    hereafter issued by the President pursuant to the authority conferred by
    section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6, 1917, as amended, are approved
    and confirmed; and

    Whereas, said national emergency still continues, and it is necessary to
    take further measures extending beyond March 9, 1933, in order to
    accomplish such purposes:

    Now, Therefore, I, Franklin D. Roosevelt, President of the United States
    of America, in view of such continuing national emergency and by virtue
    of the authority vested in me by Section 5 (b) of the Act of October 6,
    1917 (40 Stat. L. 411), as amended by the Act of March 9, 1933, do
    hereby proclaim, order, direct and declare that all the terms and
    provisions of said Proclamation of March 6, 1933, and the regulations
    and orders issued thereunder are hereby continued in full force and
    effect until further proclamation by the President.

    In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the seal
    of the United States to be affixed.

    Done in the District of Columbia, this 9th day of March, in the Year of
    our Lord One Thousand Nine Hundred and Thirty three, and of the
    Independence of the United States the One Hundredth and Fifty-seventh.

    FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT

    By the President:

    CORDELL HULL
    Secretary of State.

    Source:
    https://venturacountyteaparty.ning.com/xn/detail/5170468:BlogPost:105592

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