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    Giorgio de Chirico The Enigma of the Hour 1910   • The Logic of War (Jim Rickards) • Russia Says Bellicose Rhetoric On North Korea Is ‘Over The T
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    #35438
    V. Arnold
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    “But, the U.S. is not bluffing. Trump is not Obama, he does not use rhetoric for show, he means what he says. Trump’s cabinet officials, generals and admirals also mean what they say. No flag officer wants to lose an American city like Los Angeles on his or her watch. They won’t take even a small chance of letting that happen. The Trump administration will end the North Korean threat now before the stakes are raised to the nuclear level. Despite the logic of diplomacy and negotiation, the war with North Korea is coming. That’s the logic of war.”

    Rickards is wrong; across the board wrong.

    “Trump is not Obama, he does not use rhetoric for show”; what the fuck???
    That is exactly who Trump is; a blow hard; and quite franky, mad as a hatter.
    Newsweek ran an article about NK’s missile program calling it a hoax, Ted Postal (a ballistic missile expert) was a featured participant in the article; the other I’m not familiar with.
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/newsweek-exclusive-north-korean-missile-163255839.html
    Very much worth a read, IMO.
    Mercy me; in todays world? Get informed or go away and die; there is no place for stupidity or ignorance.

    #35439
    Dr. Diablo
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    He is correct, and there are about a dozen things here. First, they haven’t made it out of the Sea of Japan, even Guam is very, very far from there, much less America. Second, although their regional missile can hit Japan, which is very, very serious, the last one probably broke up in flight again, which seems less so. Third, they already said they *might* get 2 missiles on the pad, it will take 15 days, and it *might* reach as far as Guam. That’s very very different from having 6,000 Minutemen on quick-launch. Four, that brings to mind they will cease to exist 30 seconds after attacking, so since they haven’t attacked anyone in 50 years, they suddenly will this August 2017 when Congress goes home? Really CNN? Really Brian “Live-from-the-moon” Williams, who said “our job is to scare the hell out of America.”? Five, you don’t just pop a warhead on like a laundry basket: it needs to tolerate an explosive launch and bumpy ride. If it’s a nuke, you can’t just drive it into the ground: it needs an elevation sensor, nano-exact timing switches and matched explosives, etc. That’s very, very different. And in just a few months suddenly NK can hit Chicago despite having never exceeded 400mi. Where did that come from? Why not Miami? Or London? Or Jupiter? And a week later they miraculously created a launch-capable micro-nuke? In August, when Congress is away and the U.S. starts a war every year? SMH.

    Okay, that’s not to say the situation isn’t quite serious: it is. **That’s why we shouldn’t lie about it.** Remember those “half the world lives in this circle” pictures? Well they’re all his neighbors. Yet somehow he has no trouble getting along with the 4 Billion other guys next door – just us. Wonder why. Could it be something like last week he said “a great way to show good faith and de-escalate would be to stop having massive live-fire drills on the DMZ, and the U.S. immediately had a massive live fire drill? Like that? Or how he says, “Hey, if you attack us, we’ll attack you back.” No duh. Every nation on earth will do that, and our press makes it sound outrageous. He’s just cray-cray.

    Speaking of, so now in the bizarro looking-glass world we’re in, the press is HELPING Trump by lying savagely about this war. Why? They suddenly like him so much? Or did we already see how he’s “our President” and have Maddow do a breathless full fangirlz scream on TV provided he’s bombing some farmer in Syria? Really, people? Meanwhile, McCain, who never never left blood unspilled in his life and has dedicated his legacy to starting wars worldwide is decrying Trump to give peace a chance. Again, why? Meanwhile Newsweek, which stopped being a real magazine years ago, is presenting the truth 1st time in 30 years. Discuss?

    Why are they all at it, why does this suddenly need to be solved? I have my ideas. But rhetoric aside, look at the chessboard: NK is on on the silk road and needed to join SK, her industry and ports, through China all the way out to Lisbon and London. Pipelines again. There are trillions of assets on ice in NK Barclay could leverage 100:1. If you must have that, something needs to change. But considering the U.S. has attacked like 15 countries in the last 15 years, and we say we’ll assassinate him every other week for 25 years, change is very dangerous for Kim Jong: he wants intense stability to hold his country and his head. That’s justified. So to change anything, you need action, to flush him out, make him move. You saw earlier, the same old rhetoric didn’t work, as expected, so they’re trying something new.

    Trump just got buy-in from Russia and China for unanimous sanctions, the first time ever — a real coup, but don’t hold your breath for anyone to report it. This shows Kim there’s something different and serious. Next, China and the U.S. play-fence off and on, so it looks like China’s not just a servant of U.S. policy. That’s true, but the show in the S.C. Sea helps keep it fresh. Then Russia does what they do best: calm diplomacy, while China says they are NK’s best friend right now and will defend them against a(nother) illegal U.S. strike. That’s also true — they are, as much as NK has friends. Then Trump is such a lousy liar he says openly on T.V. “You’re closed to us, Kim Jong had better find another way.” Really, Donald, really? Your bad acting could blow the whole thing. The “other way” of course is for NK to work with China, get a settlement brokered by Russia, and the U.S. “reluctantly” is forced to agree — although they staged the whole play, although Trump has to be tarred as “unstable” to play his part. Why not? Let them call him a stupid buffoon again. Who cares if it fixes it? China goes up in world esteem, the U.S. settles this canker, and the press and Congress are made busy chasing their tails for a few months while both sides are completing their competing internal investigations.

    …If no one double-crosses anyone, and the plan goes well. Complex plans have a habit of not going well, especially with competing internal forces all sabotaging each other, every nation being sick of America, ready to dump the US$, and the temptation for China to let things go bad and shove the U.S. out of the China Sea will be high. But, in theory, you can see the outlines. China and Russia both gave diplomatic hints supporting it, and if it doesn’t work, they have have Plan D. Thats HOW to do it, does anyone know why to do it?

    #35444
    TheTrivium4TW
    Participant

    Folks, you are all being played. There is little more risk now than last year. North Korea would be suicidal to attack the U.S. It doesn’t make sense.
    Remember when Syria was going to nuke the US when the Debt-Money Monopolists made a serious bid to wage international war crimes and overthrow Assad (the way Hitler overthrew Poland… and you all think our nation is different than 1940s Germany.).
    Remember those lies? Remember the lies that Saddam was going to hit us with all that WMD?
    Why do you still believe these liars?
    Isn’t it interesting that North Korea all of sudden jumps to the front of the line the INSTANT the international war crime of funding al Qaeda types to overthrow the Syrian government was taken off the table (only to maintain the semblance of a governing duopoly?). That Un, guy sure does align his actions with the financial interests of the Debt-Money Monopolists.
    Now, I’m not saying there won’t be a war or more international war crimes.
    What I’m saying is that the Debt-Money Monopolists will be behind it.
    And in front of it.
    And to the left of it.
    And to the right of it.
    And above it.
    And below it.

    “All war is deception.”
    ~Sun Tzu, Art of War

    “Know your enemy.”
    ~Sun Tzu, Art of War

    PS – Remember how the BanksterMedia said Gaddafi had to go because he was attacking his own people (al Qaeda) and that was bad? Well, they are silent now that al Qaeda is attacking far more people in what is now a relative HELL-HOLE. You think the BanksterMedia cares about ordinary people? Nope, they care about their paycheck and the interests of the sulfur smelling demons who hand it out to them.

    #35449
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Of course we’re being played, duh?
    Seoul is a fixed target well inside the range of NK’s thousands of artillary pieces and thousands of rocket launchers.
    100,000 SK’s dead, Seoul reduced to rubble? Even the rogue U.S. would not stoop to that barbarism; maybe.
    But, I repeat; Rickard’s logic of war and his conclusion of inevitable war with NK is just ludicrous.
    War may well be coming; but not from that sphere.
    Of course nobody read my link to a very informative article in, yes, cough/wretch, Newsweek; but the ballistic missile experts need to be read/heard! They say NK’s missiles are a hoax!
    Simply put; NK’s missile and nuke capability is way over stated; just like, can you say Iraq? Can you say Libya? Can you say Iran? Can You say Syria? Can you say…ad infinitum…

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