August 3, 2021 at 12:50 am #82024absolute galoreParticipant
Question for the bunch: With the Delta variant taking off, has anybody gone from wait and see/catch it at the onset to prophylactic with Ivermectin?August 3, 2021 at 1:01 am #82025
RE: ‘Very Real Fourth Wave’ Presses FDA to Fully Approve Covid Shots
Interesting, those who feel the need for the “very real™” rhetoric.
Wouldn’t the second/third/fourth waves/; strains/myootants/variants be self evident?
And just one more thing (h/t Columbo- P. Falk was The Man): where’s the excess mortality from the “pandemic”?August 3, 2021 at 1:11 am #82026
Is there a “Delta Variant”? If so, how would we know? Is testing (heh) differentiating between it and the previous, Classic™ strain?
Maybe trusted™Johns Hopkins will tell usAugust 3, 2021 at 1:24 am #82027Doc RobinsonParticipant
Sen. Lindsey Graham: “I am very glad I was vaccinated because without vaccination I am certain I would not feel as well as I do now. My symptoms would be far worse.”
The data does not support Graham’s assertion.
On any given day on social media, you can find someone who has been vaccinated saying they contracted COVID, and they just know that but for the vaccine they would have been in worse shape. These announcement get shared widely. It is wonderful that people have avoided some of the worst symptoms, but the data has not supported the observation that the vaccine offers significant downstream benefits for most people.
We’re being set up for disaster
…the data show that death rate among the vaccinated and infected is higher than that of the unvaccinated and infected. This is true for death and also true for hospitalization. There is no sleight of hand or trickery involved. These results are plain as day in the Israeli data if anyone had cared to look.
Lies, Damned Lies, and Vaccine Statistics
Hyper-vigilant vaccination advocates are pushing dangerous misinformation about vaccine efficacy
Dr RollerGator PhD
https://drrollergator.substack.com/p/damned-lies-and-vaccine-statisticsAugust 3, 2021 at 1:26 am #82028ezlxa1949Participant
Wow, TAE is getting up to 4 pages of comments per edition! Some of it is chit-chat but a lot of it is very useful. Problem is that I could spend all day every day chasing up leads and information, but I do have other things to do with my time.
I think most of us agree that the controlled narrative has had its effect and the general public believes it. Not surprising as most of them have daily lives to manage, and necessarily rely on the MSM for their news, ideas and opinions.
Meanwhile the propaganda continues. My “favourite” source, The Conversation, today ran a story entitled
“If I’ve already had COVID, do I need a vaccine? And how does the immune system respond? An expert explains“, by Sunit K. Singh, Banaras Hindu University. Summary: Recovering from COVID and then getting vaccinated, known as hybrid immunity, is more potent than being infected or vaccinated alone.
This notion has been the subject of much debate which I have been unable to keep up with. What is most telling is that this piece comes from a uni in India, several of whose states are using the medication-that-shall-not-be-named with success. As far as I can see, The Conversation never mentions you-know-what except to let it be denigrated in the comments stream.
I have decided that if ever I am discussing with someone the merits of the jab, it would be most effective to point out the long and demonstrable censorship campaign that has been going on, and ask why? No need to go into technical details, just ask about the narrative. If the jab is so wonderful, then why censor alternative claims? The MSM riposte is simple: it is wicked to spread misinformation because that will harm people. Riposte to the riposte: India and Indonesia and other countries are using you-know-what and claiming success. If it’s effective there, why not here? But I think the Semmelweis Effect will activate and cancel thought.
The word on the street here (Oz) is that the Feds will introduce a vaccination passport scheme in October. How burdensome they intend to make life for the unjabbed remains to be seen. It’s got to the stage with me and mine that if we have to cave in then we would ask for the Novavax jab. Thus far this one seems relatively OK, but who knows what revelations await.August 3, 2021 at 1:35 am #82029
Anecdote: I’ve heard too many stories now of people who had Da Covid, then got the “vaccine”- but got much sicker from the latter than from the former.
“If you get very sick or die, that means the vaxx is working.”
indeed! / passAugust 3, 2021 at 1:57 am #82030russellnblbsParticipant
@ezlxa I’d like to see the Oz federal government try. The constitution prevents them from mandating any medical treatment under section 51 (xxiiiA) which has been backed up by case in law in Wong v Commonwealth. Justice Kirby himself said that the supply of medical treatments cannot be forced on patients without their consent. Therefore I would say that any passport system will have to be enforced voluntarily by businesses, and we have already seen in the UK how well that will go.
Plus by October you would think the evidence would be so overwhelming that trying to pretend that the shots help in any way will look silly. In it could be argued again and again that a negative test or proof of past infection is just as good as a vaccine passport. I think that they threat of passports is just being used to try and coerce people into getting them, as we have seen in the US and UK. It’s all advertising really, and until things actually change on the ground I’m tuning out. If all else fails the Moscow option can be used anyway, as if desperate businesses will be checking any passport set up stringently.August 3, 2021 at 2:28 am #82031my parents said knowParticipant
Totally off-topic question. Is there an international rule that a drone must wear the decal of its operator?
So you can say: that drone came from that antagonist, and we have a picture of the decal!August 3, 2021 at 2:32 am #82032Mister RobotoParticipant
Anecdote: I’ve heard too many stories now of people who had Da Covid, then got the “vaccine”- but got much sicker from the latter than from the former.
According to Karl Denninger, there are studies that very tentatively indicate that vaccination of recovered Covid patients can in fact interfere with natural immunity. That’s why I’m kind of worried about the best friend in the hometown from the good old daze. Que sera sera, I guess.August 3, 2021 at 2:39 am #82033
I hope your friend does OK, Mr. R. Strange times..
and yes, that Magritte is really nice- Jackson Browne nicked it for the cover of ‘Late For the Sky’, I think.
A good record for these times.August 3, 2021 at 2:43 am #82034choochParticipant
‘For the sake of freedom – yours and mine together – I will cheerfully risk catching Covid.’
Amen, Neil Oliver. I will gladly experiment with HCQ/Ivermectin to interfere with the replication of toxic spike proteins as opposed to injecting myself with an experimental gene sequence that will create toxic spike proteins throughout my endothelium. Risk benefit ratio aside, it seems obvious to me that the later would offend my creator.
In the moment, both the virus and the shot appear to be bioweapons…compliments of the CCP. American “Big Noses” led to slaughter.
Local Kroger employees are masking up again.
Jonathon Turley’s latest blog is titled “The Biden Administration Goes to War with the ‘Non-vacs’: is coercion the answer?”
According to WSJ yesterday, full FDA approval within a few months. Certainly lines up with Fauci’s comments a few weeks ago.
He agrees with the White House and President Biden himself, saying vaccination mandates should be the next step. “I have been of this opinion, and I remain of that opinion, that I do believe at the local level, Jake, there should be more mandates,” Fauci told host Jake Tapper. “There really should be.”
As a result, the NIAID director says the solution to vaccine hesitancy is official approval from the Food and Drug Administration. “One of the things that will happen, and I think the hesitancy at the local level of doing mandates is because the vaccines have not been officially fully approved,” Fauci said. “But people need to understand that the amount of data right now that shows a high degree of effectiveness and a high degree of safety is more than we’ve ever seen with the emergency use authorization, so these vaccines are as good as officially approved with all the I’s dotted and T’s crossed. It hasn’t been done yet because the FDA has to do certain things. But it’s as good as done. So people should really understand that. But they are waiting now until you get an official approval before. And I think when you do see the official approval, you’ll see a lot more mandates.”
Won’t get tested—Won’t get the jab.August 3, 2021 at 2:57 am #82035Mister RobotoParticipant
The way things are going, I can honestly imagine the southern states attempting to secede again before the end of this decade.August 3, 2021 at 3:08 am #82036absolute galoreParticipant
Some NYT Stories on the web front page:
Americans Suffer Whiplash as Leaders Struggle With Changing Virus
Public health reversals on the pandemic have sown confusion as the Delta variant upends what people thought they knew about how to stay safe.
The crisis President Biden once thought was under control is changing faster than the U.S. can adapt, leaving Americans angry, exhausted and skeptical.
Mask Mandates Are Returning in Many Places. N.Y.C. Is Holding Back.
Louisiana and San Francisco brought back indoor mask requirements, but Mayor Bill de Blasio said he wanted New Yorkers to focus on vaccinations.
The U.S. finally hit President Biden’s 70 percent vaccination goal. Follow updates on Covid-19.
Germany will begin offering vaccine booster shots in September to people considered potentially vulnerable.
Don’t Want a Vaccine? Be Prepared to Pay More for Insurance.
So, yeah, as I said back on page 3 earlier, I don’t think the mainstream vaxx story is disappearing any time soon, with journalists converging on TAE to ask us how we knew all along !;^)
So don’t worry, the battle continues. Ugh. I’m tired. I think I may just take my Iv prophylactically and stop waiting for little bits of the story to change, and meanwhile going over the same old stuff day after day that we’ve known mostly for months.
At this point it feels like some of us are, what’s that schauden word I can never remember–almost giddily waiting for bad stuff to happen to the vaxxed. Not my style. The truth such as it is is usually found hovering somewhere near the middle-ish.
So much freakin’ energy at times. I am starting to wonder which way is up which is down which is right what is wrong.August 3, 2021 at 3:14 am #82037D Benton SmithParticipant
Today’s basic math lesson will be on the topic of statistics :
If 50 % of a population is “vaccinated” against a virus , and 50% the population is not vaccinated , and the two halves intermingle willy nilly for months, and the resultant infections are found to occur in approximately equal numbers of both cohorts, then the “vaccine” is , at best, 100% fucking useless . It is OPERATIONALLY ineffective. Meaning that when applied in the REAL world it does nothing to actually resolve the problem it was meant to solve. It does not matter one lone iota how good it looks!
The dog won’t hunt. It’s as worthless as a lifeboat that doesn’t float. Little wonder that its success rate is comparable to that of deployimg Theatrical Prop body armor to both sides of a gun fight . . . and makes roughly the same amount of sense.August 3, 2021 at 3:17 am #82038
upstatenyer: drk addressed that remark to Vietnam Vet.August 3, 2021 at 3:25 am #82039WESParticipant
I like your olde math, unlike the new math which isn’t math at all!August 3, 2021 at 4:15 am #82041ezlxa1949Participant
Correct: the Feds have no power to mandate medical treatment. Health schemes are a state responsibility. I suspect what the Feds could do is to set up a (presumably privatised) tracking system based on data in the Australian Immunisation Register and then let the states do the whip-cracking.
I have already sent in the form asking for my IMR data NOT to be given out to third parties. Whether that will do any good remains to be seen. If my name does not appear in the tracking system but if my status needs to be determined when I appear at some checkpoint or other, then I guess the presumption will be that I am unjabbed.
And remember that a state of emergency over-rides many other considerations. These are desperate times, anything goes!August 3, 2021 at 4:32 am #82042
‘Packed their stuff and left’ | Hurricane Harvey’s impact still evident in many areas nearly four years after flood One family is working to turn an old restaurant into a car lot and showroom, but rebuilding has been slow.
We often say that humans dealt with weather like this before, and indeed they did: but not nearly so many of them, and not so many of them in locations and structures unable top withstand recyclic freaky weather.
Hurricane season is around the corner:August 3, 2021 at 4:38 am #82043
Wildfire season is already here:
I encourage thought experiments regarding the intersection of vakzine agendas and more pressing concerns like not self-BBQing, or drowning, or getting quickie cholera from unpotable water.
I suspect a crucial determinant in such intersections would be how well and quickly the gubmint can roll out Nat Guard/adequate supplies, etc. If they can, they might have a shot at Orwelling the situation for mandatory vakzination. If they can’t, little chance, methinks.August 3, 2021 at 4:43 am #82044VietnamVetParticipant
Coronavirus cases and hospitalizations had a fourth bump last spring. Coronavirus deaths had three peaks. The third peak from last February steadily declined until July 8th and is starting to rise again.
The current rise in the number of coronavirus deaths may or may not go exponential. If it does, this would be the fourth spike. The question is if the vaccines are lowering the death rate with over half of Americans vaccinated or is the delta variant less lethal. The fog of disinformation hides the truth for now. The USA is being run based on beliefs not science.August 3, 2021 at 4:47 am #82045
NYTimes 3 weeks ago:
“ILLINOIS CORN A FAILURE.; FROM HALF TO THREE-QUARTERS OF A CROP ONLY EXPECTED.”
NYTimes 18 days ago:
“The Maryland Fruit Crop Almost a Failure”
“Industry members say stigma still exists around discussing mental health
Farmers across Saskatchewan say they are feeling the overwhelming mental and financial stress of crop contracts and poor harvests as dry conditions bake their fields.
Only about half of the crops across the province are at their normal stages of development for this time of year, according to the latest provincial crop report.
The report attributes the problems to lack of moisture, noting about eight per cent of cropland topsoil in the province has what it needs. And farmers can see the effects.”August 3, 2021 at 5:16 am #82046ArchieParticipant
Those last few links you posted bosco are really worthy of significant thought. It truly does appear apocalyptic just around the corner.August 3, 2021 at 5:28 am #82047ArchieParticipant
Hmmmm, this is interesting:August 3, 2021 at 5:30 am #82048
fearporn can be so much funAugust 3, 2021 at 5:53 am #82049
“We are still learning about COVID-19 and questions remain as to whether complete protection against it is even possible.
Issues still to be tackled
Another area of debate is whether some protection can arise from being infected with another coronavirus. There is some similarity between the version of coronavirus causing the current pandemic and others that cause a mild cold.
Some studies show a cross-reactivity, but others show none. Differences in these results may be down to how immune responses were analysed, or variations between people who could have had different prior exposures. Either way, such conflicting observations highlight the complexities involved.
Concerns have also been raised about the possibility of vaccines eliciting a response that could, at least in principle, produce antibodies that help the virus get into cells – a phenomenon known as antibody dependent enhancement.
The pressure to develop a vaccine is huge. The rush must not override the need for safety. There are other issues we must also tackle – not least, the manufacturing and fair distribution of anything that works. But right now, understanding the human immune response to this virus is our best hope and our greatest challenge.The Conversation”
“Further research will need to address the durability of protective immunity and the optimal platforms for a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine for humans (26). Although our data are restricted to DNA vaccines, our findings may be generalizable to other gene-based vaccines as well, including RNA vaccines and recombinant vector-based vaccines. Additional research should also evaluate vaccine immunogenicity and protective efficacy in older animals. Future studies should also address the question of enhanced respiratory disease, which may result from antibody-dependent enhancement (27–29). Although our study was not designed to examine safety issues, it is worth noting that the DNA vaccines induced TH1 rather than TH2 responses, and we did not observe enhanced clinical disease even with the suboptimal vaccine constructs that failed to protect against infection.”
DNA vaccine protection against SARS-CoV-2 in rhesus macaques August 14 2020
Many mainstream academic voices raised the question of ADE along with many other issues before Bossche. His concerns are not revolutionary or specious.August 3, 2021 at 6:04 am #82051
“Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul said he has spent more than $2.5 million in crisis management after a massive ransomware hack crippled the agency in April and potentially exposed gigabytes of personal and confidential records on the dark web.
The taxpayer money is being used to rebuild computer systems, notify individuals their personal information may be at risk and get the office fully back online following the April 10 attack, carried out under a name linked to a notorious gang of cybercriminals based in Russia.
The breach came just eight weeks after state auditors met with officials at the attorney general’s office to warn of deficiencies in the agency’s cybersecurity programs.”August 3, 2021 at 6:28 am #82053
From ‘Looking beyond COVID-19 vaccine phase 3 trials’:
“..For these reasons, even when COVID-19 vaccines have achieved licensure via current phase 3 trials, there will be substantial uncertainties about >>how useful the vaccines will be in practice, and studies done after licensure, addressing vaccine effectiveness, including the level of protection of both vaccinated and non-vaccinated individuals in entire targeted populations, will be needed<< . Several designs can be considered. A common post-licensure approach is simply to monitor the secular trend of cases against the concomitant secular trend of vaccine coverage. This approach suffers from several potential, not easily correctible, biases, not least that it assumes that the underlying trend of cases, independent of vaccination, can be predicted, which will be difficult for COVID-19..”
Lots of obscuratory gobbledygook; but if someone is willing to plow through it, here’s the link:
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