Debt Rattle December 10 2020
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December 10, 2020 at 9:58 am #66648Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
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[See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 10 2020]December 10, 2020 at 12:32 pm #66649Dr. DParticipant“17 now. That’s a sizeable chunk of America.”
They are reminding them that the “United States” is a Union of “United” “States.” The clue was in the name.
Which will matter only depending on who runs the military. That’s Insider Faction B, the Nationalists.
“Sen. Ron Johnson Does Not Rule Out Challenging Electoral College Results (JTN)”
Not only that, but regardless of approach, they MUST challenge the results and arrest many, many people, very publicly. If not, there is no democracy, and instantly, the only remedy is immediate civil war. …I mean you can’t vote them out anymore now can you? And they are already FAR past universal martial law and illegal, partisan arrest fro no reason. And the side that has the guns knows all about this, and they are the world’s largest military force and have won 100% of the war games of Army v. People so far.
All those states have been systematically murdered, they know it, they, the coast, the media, the DNC daily write their intentions to murder, destroy, and “re-educate” every Deplorable, and they know there are no remaining options but open violence. Meanwhile, half the Blue, Globalist areas of Insider Faction A are just as dissatisfied and likely to riot and rebel from within major cities: so the island states from D.C. to Boston would be perpetually surrounded and fighting on two fronts. And lose. But the POINT is to create an open civil war. When that happens, for the most part, the Globalists and China win, as planned since at least 1968. It’s no victory to eventually return to our values after leveling every major city and 70M citizens.
These are very grave matters.
I mean, what are we going to do? Put Hunter Biden and Swalwell into top military, intel, and negotiating positions? That’s the alternative right now, well-described by Biden’s cabinet-of-Raytheon.
An important thing to remember is it’s not “China”. All insiders, globalists, want the oppressive, murdering, organ-harvesting, slave-running, social-credit-killing Chinese model of 1984 installed worldwide. It’s not like they hide it. They publish it, social-credit scores, universal surveillance, end of all human rights hundreds of times every day. But there aren’t really nation states in China, or here for that matter. The Insider Factions, A, B, C, D, have aligning interests. And this is the last and only chance to prevent that before complete annihilation and a 20-year war that kills millions.
So yes, perhaps having a little transparency and faith in the election would be good for everyone involved.
That’s how you know it’s rigged: the only enemy is #Truth.“ECB To Unveil Yet Another
Stimulus PackageInsider Bailout for Billionaires to cover over their Continent-wide oppression and mass murder.” Fixed it.December 10, 2020 at 12:35 pm #66650sumac.carolParticipantPerhaps it has something to do with several UPMC employees having participated in vaccine trials, only to report fever, fatigue or arm pain, with some needing to take a day or two off from work. According to Snyder, this is “a normal and healthy immune response.”
According to Jon Barron, if you don’t experience some such symptoms, your body has not generated an immune response to the vaccine.December 10, 2020 at 1:22 pm #66651sumac.carolParticipantThe University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) won’t require its health care employees to take the upcoming COVID-19 vaccine, which the medical provider expects to begin offering as soon as this month,
This may be a story about keeping your workers happy. Here’s a real life example from my family circle: the hospital employer tried to make the flu vaccine (referred to in the article above as ever so safe) mandatory for workers during periods in which the institution was in outbreak mode. This creates a perverse incentive – who wants to take a shift during outbreak mode? So there was a generalized rejection of the flu vaccine among workers. Sooooo, the hospital decided that the flu vaccine was no longer mandatory.
December 10, 2020 at 1:30 pm #66652sumac.carolParticipantPS:In the link above to Jon Barron’s article, Jon argues that the covid vaccine is less likely than the regular flu shot to generate adverse reactions because the covid vaccines have much simpler protein profiles.
December 10, 2020 at 2:27 pm #66653Mr. HouseParticipantIf it aint mandatory i aint getting it. Even if it is mandatory, i aint getting it
December 10, 2020 at 2:42 pm #66654Doc RobinsonParticipantsumac.carol: “In the link above to Jon Barron’s article, Jon argues that the covid vaccine is less likely than the regular flu shot to generate adverse reactions because the covid vaccines have much simpler protein profiles.”
I read Jon Barron’s article when the link was posted earlier (thanks carol), and that claim –less adverse reactions because of simpler protein profiles– stuck out because it’s not supported by the Pfizer trials, in which the simpler protein gave worse side effects.
Pfizer initially tested two vaccines, BNT162b1 and BNT162b2, abbreviated as b1 and b2.
“Both use messenger RNA to instruct cells to make viral proteins in an attempt to stimulate an immune response; the difference is that cells receiving b1 make part of the SARS-CoV-2 virus’ “spike” protein, while b2 stimulates production of the entire protein.”
b2 (with the entire protein) had less side effects than b1 (with only part of the protein), and b2 was chosen because of this.
In the case of b1, three-quarters of patients aged 18 to 55 and one-third of patients aged 65 to 85 experienced fever after the second of two shots of either 10 or 30 micrograms. For b2 at 30 micrograms, 17% of patients 18 to 55 and 8% of those 65 to 85 reported fever after the second dose.
By comparison, Phase 1 results showed Moderna’s vaccine mRNA-1273, which also uses mRNA, led to fever in 40% of patients injected with the 100-microgram dose selected for Phase 3 trials.
https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/pfizer-biontech-coronavirus-vaccine-choice-safety/583878/
December 10, 2020 at 2:51 pm #66655sumac.carolParticipantThanks for this Doc Robinson. I will send it to Jon.
December 10, 2020 at 2:54 pm #66656Doc RobinsonParticipantSome quotations from the Jon Barron article linked above:
“In any case, at the moment, until the vaccine is used at much higher levels and we get to see if there are any long-term complications, the safety of these vaccines is an open-ended question…
“And remember, even those who have been vaccinated will silently lose their protection, at any point in time, and with no easy way to know when that had happened.”
“That means that annual mass vaccination for COVID will be a likely reality for at least several years to come.”
December 10, 2020 at 3:00 pm #66657John DayParticipantSomeday We’ll Be Together, Diana Ross and THE SUPREMES
December 10, 2020 at 3:08 pm #66658John DayParticipant@Dr.D: Right On, Brother!
December 10, 2020 at 3:08 pm #66659sumac.carolParticipantDoc Robinson, you misread Jon’s article re proteins and protein fragments. Whether it is a fragment or whole protein, Jon’s point is that it’s only one protein as opposed to the whole or fragment of multiple proteins. Here is a quote:
“One advantage to this approach is that since we’re talking about building the vaccine around only one virus protein or protein fragment as found in the spike, rather than the entire virus, there’s no way the vaccine can accidentally infect someone or make them sick with COVID-19. A second advantage, theoretically, is that the more proteins you’re dealing with, the more likely you are to have a negative side effect. With only one protein, the odds of a negative response, then, are less—and likely to be less intense if one occurs. In any case, whether it’s one protein or many, as long as the right protein or protein fragment is included, your body will build an antibody defense for it. Thus, if someone who was immunized gets exposed to the coronavirus later on, their body’s adaptive immune system should be able to fight it off more easily and be, therefore, more likely to avoid serious illness.”.
December 10, 2020 at 3:24 pm #66660madamski cafoneParticipantI remember hearing months ago that Putin would be first to take the vaccine. Then some American rag says otherwise. If Putin doesn’t want to take the vaccine, he’ll lie about it. Who do they think he is? Trump who can’t distinguish truth from deceit? Or Biden, who can’t remember the difference? Right now, he is Russia’s CEO and shouldn’t take unnecessary risks.
And yes, anything that dehydrates or otherwise weakens the body is bad even without pandemia. Alcohol is toxic, period.
^&*
Why did Strindberg choose to paint a mountain clearcut?
December 10, 2020 at 3:42 pm #66662Doc RobinsonParticipant@ sumac.carol
Thanks for the additional context. Without going back to re-read the article, my comment was in response to your summary about simpler protein profiles: “Jon argues that the covid vaccine is less likely than the regular flu shot to generate adverse reactions because the covid vaccines have much simpler protein profiles.”
In any case, the Pfizer trials don’t seem to support the claim that “the covid vaccine is less likely than the regular flu shot to generate adverse reactions.”
December 10, 2020 at 3:43 pm #66664John DayParticipantIt’s up to 19 states suing now.
Welcome Arizona!December 10, 2020 at 3:45 pm #66666John DayParticipantThe link to that story will not post. I tried 3 times.
December 10, 2020 at 3:56 pm #66667John DayParticipantNow we learn that not only does the FBI have more than 20,000 pages relevant to the search term, “Seth Rich,” the FBI still has Seth Rich’s laptop computer.
The FBI collects and retains evidence of federal crimes. It also has responsibility for counterintelligence matters. I can understand the FBI collecting Seth Rich’s computer as possible evidence after he was murdered. It would have been entirely appropriate to investigate whether or not Rich was in contact with Wikileaks. The FBI only retains evidence on an active, open case.
But the FBI has insisted for more than four years that it was never involved actively in the investigation of Seth Rich’s murder and that it never opened a case. That lie is now exposed.
HUGE: After 4 Years of Stonewalling Corrupt FBI Finally Admits They’re Holding Seth Rich’s Laptop
December 10, 2020 at 4:04 pm #66668John DayParticipantSPUTNIK has this story first::
The US Supreme Court has ordered the states of Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to respond by Thursday to a lawsuit filed by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, who seeks to ban the four states from participating in the Electoral College after they certified Joe Biden’s victory, according to a court document.
https://sputniknews.com/us/202012091081405589-us-supreme-court-orders-4-states-to-reply-to-texas-election-lawsuit-by-10-december/December 10, 2020 at 4:06 pm #66669Mr. HouseParticipant“What the Covid-19 panic has revealed, and continues to reveal, is the managerial elite has no respect for things like the rule of law, individual liberty or any of the other foundation items of consensual government. To protect democracy, they will rig the election process. To keep us free they will strip us of our rights. In the name of inclusion and diversity they will exclude anyone who disagrees. What we are seeing is that the real plague on our society is the ruling class.”
December 10, 2020 at 4:20 pm #66670John DayParticipanthttps://www.johndayblog.com/2020/12/seventees-states-sue.html
SPUTNIK again: (Uh, I read it is the legislature, not the Governor who decides on the electors…)
The US president called on the governor to convene a special session of the state legislature after Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger refused to conduct a signature audit of the ballots.
Georgia’s governor, Republican Brian Kemp, has warned state lawmakers that they will not be gathering for a special session to pick the electors who will vote in the upcoming Electoral College for the next US president. Kemp said that such a scenario, which could be undertaken if the ballot-counting results can’t be certified or if the accuracy of the counting is questioned, was “not an option” for Georgia.
https://sputniknews.com/us-elections-2020-news/202012091081410218-georgias-republican-governor-tells-lawmakers-they-wont-be-picking-electors-for-trump/Sen. Ron Johnson is not ruling out the possibility of challenging the Electoral College results in January when Congress is slated to certify the vote.
“I would say it depends on what we found out,” the Wisconsin Republican said to reporters when he was asked about whether he plans on challenging election results, according to The Hill. “The American people need more information. I’m not ready to just close and slam the book on this thing and go ‘OK, let’s walk away from it.'” …
“Today I gave notice for a hearing for next Wednesday titled ‘Examining Irregularities in the 2020 election,’” the senator said in a statement. “I am mindful that many of the issues that have been raised have been, and will continue to be, appropriately resolved in the courts. But the fact remains that a large percentage of the American public does not view the 2020 election result as legitimate because of apparent irregularities that have not been fully examined. That is not a sustainable state of affairs for our country. The only way to resolve suspicions is with full transparency and public awareness. That will be the goal of the hearing.”
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/sen-ron-johnson-does-not-rule-out-possibility-challenging-electoralSidney Powell: CIA, mainstream media, globalists all part of a grand conspiracy to rig elections and defraud We the People
It’s saddening to know that American elections have been just as rigged as elections in third world countries have been. I’m sure the CIA has been involved in any number of those activities. If not here and other places around the world, it may have been the CIA that created this software and programs to begin with, and then exported them for their own use, only to have it come back to us. It could be that very important, powerful, extremely wealthy people were involved in rigging this election. It’s globalist interests.
https://dcdirtylaundry.com/sidney-powell-cia-mainstream-media-globalists-all-part-of-a-grand-conspiracy-to-rig-elections-and-defraud-we-the-people/Attorney Sidney Powell drops more bombshells, says election software that rigged 2020 elections has been used for years to steal House, Senate, governor races
December 10, 2020 at 5:09 pm #66671zerosumParticipantWhat good is money and power if it cannot be used for your own benefit?
December 10, 2020 at 6:04 pm #66672Dr. DParticipant“”The Market Is Being Shut Down”: European Bond Market Disappears As ECB Takes Over”
End of markets, capitalism, freedom, and choice. Say hello to Soviet Central Planning.
When this kills everyone, they’ll demand more government and power to unelected eugenics billionaires to fix it. Join the black market and beat the rush. Soon the only food or money you can get will be from a Serbian named Vasilije.
““I told you once before that there were two times for making big money, one in the up-building of a country and the other in its destruction. Slow money on the up-building, fast money in the crack-up. Remember my words. Perhaps they may be of use to you some day.” –Rhett Butler
And it’s way easier to destroy a country and make money than to build one.
December 10, 2020 at 8:49 pm #66673my parents said knowParticipantJeffrey Romoff, CEO of UPMC: “his vision for the future of American healthcare was “the conversion of health care from social good to a commodity.””
From Whitney Webb’s “engineering contagion series. (The darkest winter)Now he’s gonna let his workers skirt the vaccine? Maybe he’s not so “evil” after all. /s
Has there been a poll which has asked Americans who they voted for on Nov 3rd (or 4th, or 5th, or…)? It might have interesting results.
December 10, 2020 at 8:53 pm #66674my parents said knowParticipantDr. D- Interesting you should mention GWTW. One economic truth I learned from that book was to have a little gold so you can pay your taxes when the currency is worthless.
December 10, 2020 at 11:24 pm #66675Doc RobinsonParticipantLots of activity today on the Supreme Court docket for Texas v. Pennsylvania et al., including Washington DC filing on behalf of itself and 22 states and territories in support of the defendents. Lots of people getting involved (on both sides).
Dec 10 2020 Motion of State of Ohio for leave to file amicus brief not accepted for filing. (December 10, 2020) (corrected motion electronically filed)
Dec 10 2020 Response to motion for leave to file bill of complaint and motion for preliminary injunction and temporary restraining order or stay from defendant Wisconsin filed.
Dec 10 2020 Opposition to Texas’s motion for leave to file bill of complaint and its motion for preliminary relief from defendant Georgia filed.
Dec 10 2020 Opposition to motions for leave to file bill of complaint and for injunctive relief from defendant Michigan filed.
Dec 10 2020 Opposition to motion for leave to file bill of complaint and motion for preliminary injunction, temporary restraining order, or stay from defendant Pennsylvania filed.
Dec 10 2020 Motion for leave to file amicus brief from the District of Columbia on behalf of 22 States and Territories filed.
Dec 10 2020 Motion to Intervene and Proposed Bill of Complaint in Intervention of State of Missouri submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion of State of Ohio for leave to file amicus brief submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion for Leave to File Brief as Amicus Curiae and Brief for Members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly. as Amicus Curiae in Support of Plaintiff/Defendants of Members of the Pennsylvania General Assembly submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion of Certain Select Pennsylvania State Senators for leave to file amicus brief submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion of Christian Family Coalition for leave to file amicus brief submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Amicus brief of Bryan Cutler Speaker of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives and Kerry Benninghoff Majority Leader of the Pennsylvania House of Representatives submitted.
Dec 10 2020 For Leave to File Complaint-in-Intervention of Ron Heuer, et al. submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion of U.S. Representative Mike Johnson and 105 Other Members for leave to file amicus brief submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion of Lieutenant Governor Janice McGeachin, Senator Lora Reinbold, Representative David Eastment, et al. (Elected State Officials) for leave to file amicus brief submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Amicus brief of City of Detroit submitted.
Dec 10 2020 Motion for Leave to File and Amicus Curiae Brief of Justice and Freedom Fund in Support of Plaintiff of Justice and Freedom Fund in Support of Plaintiff submitted.https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/22o155.html
December 11, 2020 at 12:11 am #66676WESParticipantMy take on the MSM like CNN suddenly talking about the corruption of Biden and his son, Hunter, is the Democrat Party beginning it’s efforts to push Biden out the airplane door with a backpack strapped on, instead of a parachute.
“Heels Up” Harris is their choice.
Biden was always just a placeholder. The backpack is stuffed with money.
December 11, 2020 at 12:22 am #66677WESParticipantFor the clueless, the giveaway “clue” that Senator Ron Johnson, from Wisconsin, is 100% uniptary, rests in his use of the word “transparency”.
He intends no such thing. What he says is not what he will do.
He is no friend of the people living in Wisconsin, or of people living anywhere else.
December 11, 2020 at 12:25 am #66678WESParticipantmy parents said know:
Correction! The lesson is you keep the gold and pay your taxes in worthless paper currency!
December 11, 2020 at 12:31 am #66679Doc RobinsonParticipantFDA Panel Recommends COVID-19 Vaccine For Emergency Use
In a 17-4 vote, with one abstention, a panel of advisers to the Food and Drug Administration recommended Thursday that the COVID-19 vaccine being developed by Pfizer and BioNTech be authorized for emergency use during the pandemic.
The vote in favor of the vaccine was taken to answer the agency’s question: Do the benefits of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine outweigh its risks for use in people age 16 and older..
17 out of 22 “expert advisors” voted that the vaccine’s benefits outweigh the risks. Why would the other experts on the panel not join in recommending the vaccine? Perhaps it has something to do with the Unknown Benefits, Known Risks, Unknown Risks, and Data Gaps associated with the vaccine (conveniently summarized in this committee meeting briefing document sponsored by Pfizer and BioNTech).
8.2. Unknown Benefits/Data Gaps
Duration of protection
Effectiveness in certain populations at high-risk of severe COVID-19
Effectiveness in individuals previously infected with SARS-CoV-2
Effectiveness in pediatric populations
Future vaccine effectiveness as influenced by characteristics of the pandemic, changes in the virus, and/or potential effects of co-infections
Vaccine effectiveness against asymptomatic infection
Vaccine effectiveness against long-term effects of COVID-19 disease
Vaccine effectiveness against mortality
Vaccine effectiveness against transmission of SARS-CoV-28.3. Known Risks
…The most common solicited adverse reactions were injection site reactions (84.1%), fatigue (62.9%), headache (55.1%), muscle pain (38.3%), chills (31.9%), joint pain (23.6%), fever (14.2%).
…Severe adverse reactions occurred in 0.0-4.6% of participants, were more frequent after Dose 2…8.4. Unknown Risks/Data Gaps
Safety in certain subpopulations
Adverse reactions that are very uncommon or that require longer follow-up to be detected
Vaccine-enhanced disease
…risk of vaccine-enhanced disease over time, potentially associated with waning immunity, remains unknown and needs to be evaluated further in ongoing clinical trials…December 11, 2020 at 12:34 am #66680WESParticipantSumac.Carol:
I prefer your version of the Univ of Pitts story over the official MSM version!
December 11, 2020 at 1:02 am #66681WESParticipantDoc Robinson:
When the known risks for taking the vaccine are not good, then the odds that the unknown risks being safe are poor. The risk/reward ratio is just too unattractive.
It seems to me like more people are 100% guaranteed to become ill after taking the vaccine than people taking their chances of not catching the virus.
I have also noted that no one on TAE has offered to be the first one to cross my bridge designed to be 95% effective either! I am definately not volunteering! The risk/reward ratio is 100%/0.
December 11, 2020 at 1:15 am #66682WESParticipantJohn Day:
With the Republican half of the uniparty now actively circling the wagons to protect the fraudulent election results (see Ron Johnson), I now expect SCOTUS to punt the fraudulent election back into the hands of their masters. They will not rule on the election results. Their side stepping decision will prove to be most unsatisfactory.
Even Sparkle Socks supports Harris.
December 11, 2020 at 1:27 am #66683my parents said knowParticipantI had asian food tonight- and the first cookie I open has been “for the president” for the last 25 years.
Tonight’s was interesting: “Fear drives you and makes you better.”Chinese predictive programming?
WES- You made me laugh out loud.
On topic: The last time a deerfly bit me I swelled up like a balloon. I guess I’m out on the vaccine. Darn barn.
December 11, 2020 at 1:35 am #66684WESParticipantMy parents said know:
Glad you got a laugh!
However I wanted to make sure you understood that they want your gold not their worthless currency!
December 11, 2020 at 1:48 am #66685WESParticipantI find it very interesting how the MSM constantly lie about what has actually happening in Sweden concerning the virus.
It is along the same lines of “Orange Man Bad”. Everything Sweden has done is bad.
Well let’s compare the results between Sweden and the US state of Michigan.
Sweden has about 10,127,000 people. Michigan has 9,987,000 people.
Sweden 7,067 virus deaths. Michigan 10,321 virus deaths.
Sweden no lockdown. Michigan total lockdown.
Sweden no loss of freedom. Michigan near total lost of freedom.
It is all about the power to control the people.
The story you are not hearing!
December 11, 2020 at 1:49 am #66686Doc RobinsonParticipantWES — If 17 out of 22 experts think your bridge is safe-ish, then I want to know why the other experts don’t agree with them.
December 11, 2020 at 2:17 am #66687WESParticipantI would like to say a few things about gov money printing and it’s effects on everyday people.
When governments print money and reduce borrowing costs to below zero for the elite, 99% of the people loose.
You say how is this possible?
Well, I will try and give you an example of this so you can understand.
Amazon. Yes, Amazon!
How is it that Amazon has been able to slaughter small businesses all across the country?
You see Amazon has access to borrow all the money it wants at below zero interest rates. Small businesses do not have any such access. Neither do you.
How is Amazon able to borrow at less than zero interest rates, you say?
Simple they borrow at near zero interest rates with actual inflation at 10%. That is how!
Say Amazon borrows at 0.25% interest rates. With 10% inflation, their actual borrowing costs are minus 9.75%!
So in effect, the government is paying Amazon 9.75% per year to borrow money.
Now if you were paid 9.75% to borrow money, just think what you could do to other people and businesses!
Amazon has choosen to hurt everybody they can.
That is it any wonder why you feel the way you do.
December 11, 2020 at 2:43 am #66688WESParticipantDoc Robinson:
A bridge designed to only take 95% of it’s minimum expected load is guaranteed to fail 100% of the time! But you already knew that! Everybody else at TAE seems to know this too!
This being a government political body, I would suggest the 17 of 22 were bought and paid for. The other 4 didn’t get enough money.
I base this observation on the fact that medical experts are declining to take the vaccine themselves, until it has been properly tested. I will wait for the testing with them too!
That the MSM are pushing the vaccine relentlessly while siliencing all questioning voices, is also telling!
Just look at the MSM’s 100% negative Swedish stories.
Someone is pushing an agenda.
This agenda doesn’t have my best interests at heart.
Sorry but I am a logical person. When you try to provoke my emotions, my alarm bells go off!
When you point an AK-47 at me I do not get emotional! I stay very calm.
How do I know this?
I have had AK-47s pointed at me, including directly to my head.
I have survived several near death experiences.
No, I have never been in the military.
December 11, 2020 at 4:50 am #66689₿oogalooParticipantLet’s make it a threesome:
Well let’s compare the results between Seoul, Sweden and the US state of Michigan.
Seoul has about 10 million people. Sweden has about 10,127,000 people. Michigan has 9,987,000 people.
Seoul has fewer than 200 deaths. Sweden 7,067 virus deaths. Michigan 10,321 virus deaths.
Seoul has no lockdown but everyone wears a mask, there is hand sanitizer everywhere, and more people have changed their lifestyle to avoid large gatherings. Sweden no lockdown. Michigan total lockdown.
Seoul has some loss of freedom but there is widespread support for the measures. Sweden no loss of freedom. Michigan near total lost of freedom.
So which of the three would you choose?
December 11, 2020 at 5:32 am #66690WESParticipantBoogaloo:
Why not make it a foursome?
Add Ontario to the mix!
I think Ontario falls somewhere near Michigan! Well at least on the map it does!
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