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    Edward Hopper Automat 1927   • Trump Kicks COVID Bill Back To Congress; Demands $2,000 Stimulus (ZH) • Force The Vote On Direct Aid (DP) • Biden’
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 23 2020]

    #67222
    Mr. House
    Participant

    If you don’t want the vaccine you are now an anti vaxxer, that didn’t take long. Love the grade school name calling.

    https://www.barrons.com/news/anti-vaxxers-could-face-public-transport-ban-in-france-01608649204

    Real or more fear porn?

    New Video Shows COVID-19 Patients Lined Up In SoCal Hospital Hallways As Surge Continues

    Glad they learned their lesson from the first time and asked us if this is the proper course of action for the next go round

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/states-impose-strictest-covid-19-lockdowns-since-spring-11608719403

    We also have one of the largest populations of elderly people we’ve had in our history and only six percent of covid deaths died strictly from covid, more fear porn

    https://apnews.com/article/us-coronavirus-deaths-top-3-million-e2bc856b6ec45563b84ee2e87ae8d5e7

    On a different note, have you ever read this gentleman Raul? I came across him over a year ago and find his writing to be fun, and his ideas to be different and interesting

    http://www.deepthroatipo.com/

    #67223
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #67224
    Mr. House
    Participant

    The great reset is just a conspiracy

    You’ve received a coronavirus vaccination — but can you prove it? The answer to that question will help determine how the global economy functions for the next few years.

    Why it matters: The federal government will probably neither mandate nor encourage digital immunity passports or other proofs of vaccination. But privately-operated digital certificates are already being developed — and U.S. law means that anybody who gets vaccinated here should be able to obtain the proof they need.

    The big picture: Your employer has a clear interest in knowing whether you’ve been vaccinated, as do the immigration staff in any foreign country you want to visit. Many workers, from nursing-home aides to opera singers, have a clear desire and even need to be vaccinated before doing their jobs. Which means they’ll need some kind of proof of vaccination.

    What they’re saying: “Those who get vaccinated deserve more freedom,” wrote the FT’s John Gapper last month. Private companies “should be allowed, even encouraged, to protect customers and employees from harm.”
    There’s also an “urgent need to restore confidence in travel and mobility,” says Paul Meyer, CEO of the Commons Project, a group attempting to build a global platform for proof-of-vaccination apps.
    The other side: The federal government “should discourage the use of vaccination cards or apps for virtually any purpose other than guiding individual medical care,” argued Duke University professor Nita Farahany in the Washington Post. “Vaccine cards (and immunization apps) could turn into powerful weapons of exclusion and discrimination,” she wrote.

    The catch: The official documentation that Americans receive upon being vaccinated is little more than a flimsy, easily-forged paper card. As Gavi, the global vaccination alliance, notes, that in turn creates “concerns that documentation could be fraudulently reproduced”.

    It’s a real concern: A recent flight from Russia to China was canceled after more than 190 of the passengers attempted to board with “completely identical” serology tests.

    Between the lines: Trustworthy and reliable digital proof of vaccination is not only possible, Meyer tells Axios, it’s also quite easy and will almost certainly happen.

    That’s because the government doesn’t need to be involved.
    Individual Americans have the right, under HIPAA, to access digital copies of their health information. Once they’ve done that, they can upload that information to any app or service that requests it.
    “People shouldn’t be happy walking out of getting their jab with just a piece of paper,” says Meyer — they should be sure to demand digital access to their vaccination records as well. Rather than relying on the government to centralize vaccination records, he says, “the human being is the only central organizing point in the healthcare system.”

    The bottom line: Paper “yellow cards” were generally accepted as proof of vaccination against yellow fever. Proof of COVID-19 vaccination, by contrast, is going to be digital — and it’s going to be on individual Americans to get it.

    #67225

    Any evidence there is of the mRNA vaccines actually working is scarce at best. The Moderna one was said to last just two months. But you MUST have it if you want freedom. What if I get a Sputnik V jab, or a Chinese one? Will that count? I find it all propagandistic so far.

    #67226
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Misplaced priorities?
    Overdose deaths outnumber COVID-19 deaths more than 3 to 1 in San Francisco

    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/531269-overdose-deaths-outnumber-covid-19-deaths-more-than-3-to-1-in-san

    Lockdowns in California considered too restrictive.


    As COVID-19 explodes, was California too strict for its own good?

    “A significant number of people have lost faith in the public health guidance and don’t know what to believe anymore,” said Daniel Kotzin, a member of two advocacy groups hoping to reopen schools and businesses in San Francisco. “One part of it is when our leaders say one thing and do another, and another part is it’s just been so strict with no escape valve and people can’t do it anymore. For over nine months we’ve been locked up with constantly shifting goalposts…”

    “California is unique because this particular lockdown came off as arbitrary and not data driven,” she said. “That’s why the opposition to it is not just from those who believe COVID is a hoax; there’s also opposition from medical professionals, lawmakers, parents and those with nuanced thinking who believe it’s too restrictive, and didn’t incorporate the biology of virus.

    https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/California-COVID-lockdown-cases-deaths-businesses-15819841.php

    #67227
    zerosum
    Participant

    Published 9 months ago on March 30, 2020
    The Anatomy of the $2 Trillion COVID-19 Stimulus Bill

    The Anatomy of the $2 Trillion COVID-19 Stimulus Bill


    ——
    Update
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-and-schumer-agree-trumps-demand-2000-stimulus-checks
    Pelosi And Schumer Agree To Trump’s Demand For $2,000 Stimulus Checks
    “Congress found plenty of money for foreign countries, lobbyists, and special interests,” the president said, “while sending the bare minimum to the American people who need it.”
    ——-

    Zooming In: Visualizing the Relative Size of Particles

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/RelativeSizeofParticles-Infographic-1920px_v8.jpg

    #67228
    John Day
    Participant

    Negotiating Christmas https://www.johndayblog.com/2020/12/negotiating-christmas.html

    Trump is still in play, as is populism, and the severity of the hierarchical response, keeping everybody locked-down, controlled, restricted-from-travel unless documented compliant, is actually desperate, an overshoot, and bound to crate backlash against the global power elite.

    Pelosi And Schumer Agree To Trump’s Demand For $2,000 Stimulus Checks​ (so another $129 billion or so. No cutting pork allowed.)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pelosi-and-schumer-agree-trumps-demand-2000-stimulus-checks

    Bureaucratic ‘black hole’ awaits injury claims from coronavirus vaccine
    Experts are concerned that with 200 million people expected to get vaccines, even a rollout with few ill effects could swamp the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program.
    https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/12/22/bureaucratic-black-hole-awaits-injury-claims-from-coronavirus-vaccine/

    Black Pastors Refuse To Push COVID Vaccine, Turn Congregants Into ‘Guinea Pigs’ (Tuskegee)
    ​ ​High-ranking Catholics aren’t the only members of the clergy sounding the alarm over COVID-19.
    A dozen black pastors interviewed by Reuters say they won’t push new vaccines for the virus, citing concerns over its rapid development and lack of evidence for or against potential long-term effects.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/black-pastors-refuse-push-covid-vaccine-turn-african-americans-guinea-pigs

    ​ I declined to get the Pfizer vaccine yesterday at our clinic.
    My immune system is good. I take vitamin-D. I have access to testing and to antiviral treatment with ivermectin, zinc and doxycycline.
    Pushing the vaccine through emergency approval requires that there be no safe, effective alternative. There is safe, effective treatment..​
    Hospital Workers Turn Down COVID Vaccine: “There’s Too Much Mistrust”
    Less than a week after we reported on widespread resistance among healthcare workers in one Chicago hospital, BeckersHospitalReview.com’s Ayla Ellison reports that the virus of vaccine mistrust is spreading…
    https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/hospital-workers-turn-down-covid-vaccine-theres-too-much-mistrust

    #67229
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    John Day: “Pushing the vaccine through emergency approval requires that there be no safe, effective alternative. There is safe, effective treatment..​”

    Moreover, the emergency authorization (not approved yet ) of the mRNA vaccines undermines the ongoing trials looking at safety and efficacy. Emergency Use Authorizations (EUA) were intended to be counterterrorism measures against chemical, biological, and nuclear hazards. “Expanded Access” should have been used instead of the EUA.

    It’s widely reported that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines “prevent COVID.” Many reporters, and even experts, claim that means they prevent infections, and suggest the pandemic will start to come under control as soon as we can administer the vaccine. But preventing infection was not a key measure of efficacy the trials were designed to study. Nor were the trials designed to see whether the vaccines can reduce hospital and intensive care admissions, nor death. There is also no assurance of how well the vaccines work in the most important high-risk groups, like the elderly who reside in nursing homes, where nearly half of all deaths have occurred.

    The FDA, which works closely with the vaccine companies and is paid by them for assessing vaccine candidates, set a low bar for certifying them as effective: to at least halve the risk of mild COVID, which has symptoms like a sore throat or cough. Pfizer, the first company to receive an EUA, says it aced this test, declaring 95 percent efficacy in a journal article. But many unanswered questions remain. Out of 44,000 people, Pfizer’s results are based on just 170 confirmed cases. We still know nothing about the vaccine’s effectiveness at three, six or 12 months. Despite this, the FDA and its advisory panel—under intense pressure to quickly grant emergency use—announced on December 11 the authorization of Pfizer’s application for emergency use for everybody 16 years and older. (Four advisory committee members voted no—but 17 voted yes and 1 abstained.)

    But there was another way to make an unapproved vaccine available to those who need it without undermining a trial. It’s called “expanded access.” Expanded access enables any clinician to apply on behalf of their patient to the FDA for a drug or vaccine not yet approved. The FDA almost always approves it quickly.

    If the FDA and the companies joined together to pursue an expanded access program rather than emergency use, they would “uphold the integrity of the scientific process” built into the full trial design, rather than undermining it with an EUA. Expanded access would keep the trial going intact while still allowing physicians to administer the vaccine candidate outside the trial to anyone with serious conditions when there is no comparable alternative.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-expand-access-to-covid-vaccines-without-compromising-the-science/

    An emergency use authorization would potentially open the floodgates to deploy an unapproved and unlicensed vaccine to millions (or tens of millions) of individuals before gathering the proof of safety and efficacy that licensing a new vaccine typically demands.

    This was never the intent of emergency use authorization, which was actually designed for counterterrorism measures to address chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear hazards — not necessarily a pandemic. (The first use of EUA authority was in 2005 through the Project Bioshield Act to authorize military vaccinations against anthrax).

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/09/expanded-access-not-eua-for-distributing-preapproval-covid-19-vaccines/

    #67230

    John Day, Doc R., as you well know we’ve been talking about this extensively; the lack of research, evidence etc. for the mRNA jabs. It’s scary that they are rolled out en masse anyway because politicians and Big Pharma want them to be, using the fact that everyone is so tired of the lockdowns etc. It’s science turned upside down. Pretty soon we’ll hear that a negative test won’t do anymore, you need proof that you’ve had a jab of a vaccine that has never properly been tested. Or else.

    #67231
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Authorization for the Oxford/Astrazeneca vaccine in the UK is expected for December 28 or 29. At least this vaccine is not the mRNA type (and it’s not-for-profit, as well). It can be stored in a refrigerator, which makes for easier rollout to care home residents.

    Politics here, too:
    “Boris Johnson’s future as Prime Minister rests on the Oxford vaccine being approved”
    https://inews.co.uk/opinion/boris-johnsons-future-prime-minister-rests-oxford-vaccine-805045

    #67232
    WES
    Participant

    Well, it looks like other people already beat me in the business of selling fake vaccine IDs!

    Darn!

    #67233
    WES
    Participant

    Raul, Ontario health authorities have already said get the vaccine or else!

    #67234
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    Just received this ‘carrot’ in my in-box:

    PayPal crypto ad - a carrot?

    #67236
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Hopper was deaf. You see that in the immense silence in his paintings.

    Masks? They don’t even keep out f’n dust. I wouldn’t wear those blue masks to sand a railing; you’d be choked with a noseful in 30 minutes. But they stop the ‘Rona! ‘Cause it knows! It’s the Tooth Fairy that’s going house to house spreading it in all the lockdown states, cause masks definitely work!

    Vaccines? It’s going where it’s going. Apparently they’re running the Darwin effect, although that may be too strong for me to say. I’m not your mommy, I’m not going to make you not take it until it’s tested – a little – or works – a little (at least over 0.54%) — however, I will give you my opinion, and be fired, arrested, and banned. ‘Cause, Land of the Free, ‘natch.

    PayPal? Don’t know what they’re up to, but at the moment it’s a scam. PayPal neither lets you transmit, nor remove Crypto from their platform. Translation: They’re lying, they don’t have any. You know, like the gold ETF, it takes the pressure off when total idiots who read nothing buy this at 10,000:1 hypothecation, instead of Coinbase with 300:1 hypothecation. ‘Cause honesty matters to Coinbase, they never shut their servers off on every drop, and they’re not anything like:

    Quadriga
    MtGox
    Tradesatoshi
    FCoin
    Coinnest
    Cryptopia
    Zaif
    Coinrail
    Coinsecure
    Bitgrail
    Coincheck
    Youbit
    BTCChina
    Gatecoin
    Harborly
    Coin.mx
    Bitspark
    Excoin
    Virtex
    Yacuna
    Bitstake
    Melotic
    Coin-Swap
    AllCrypt
    Comkort
    LibertyBit
    MintPal
    McxNOW
    Cryptorush
    WeExchange
    Kapiton
    Vault of Satoshi
    Britcoin
    Bitomat
    Bitfloor
    BitMarket.eu
    Bitcoin Brasil
    FXBTC
    Crypto-Trade
    Bitcoinica
    Bitcoin-Central
    Tradehill
    or
    The Bitcoin Market

    All of whom no longer exist, mostly because they were mysteriously “hacked”. No news if the owners then retired to a private island to think long and hard about what they’ve done.

    Don’t hand your money to unregulated criminals like Wells Fargo. Or major DNC fundraisers, licensed on Wall Street and protected by SEC insurance, like MF Global. Or the State of California, which has broken into and emptied out all the safe deposit boxes. No, no, no, those things are safe, and crypto is risky.

    Get a Trezor or a paper wallet, and don’t leave $100 bills lying around, or hand them to people you don’t know “for safekeeping.” Even it they’re honest, trustworthy, sober fellows like PayPal founder Elon Musk who has never had any issues with constant, uncontrollable fires. And explosions. And SEC investigations, and…

    #67237
    Bill7
    Participant

    Found over at Off-G:

    George Mc

    “Many on the left chose to ignore the Biblical scale of the destruction that economic stoppages would cause, arguing that the covid crisis was an opportunity. … Lockdowns were not bungled by incompetent leaders. They were in fact executed perfectly, because their purpose was not public health but rather the rapid installment of a regressive neoliberal agenda designed by the nonprofit industrial complex.”
    
    And so it goes and will continue to go. The “incompetence” meme has been the great calling card of the Left and of the “radical satirical writers” every step of the way. The Spitting Image sketch with its schoolboy fart humour is a marginally more moronic version of this Leftist “subversion”. These self-congratulating “rebels” launch their “incisive” attacks on the establishment without ever showing any awareness at all that they are simply puppets playing a role in a theatre that has been set up for them..”

    Hear, hear! Ye Olde “incompetence” excuse is wearing a little thin, since the so-called incompetence always
    benefits the same tiny group..

    To Mr House (I think): thanks for the link to CJ Hopkins’ recentest column, which hit closest to home of anything
    I’ve seen so far.

    #67238
    WES
    Participant

    Dr. D:

    In the good olde days of yore, a man would bite a silver dollar with his eye teeth to see if it was really made of silver!

    Can you bite bitcoin to see if it is real?

    #67239
    Bill7
    Participant

    Link to which the “George Mc” comment above was responding:

    The Great Covid Class War

    Top to bottom, “Left” to “Right” (heh!), it’s *all* rigged, folks; as rigged as rigged can be..

    -Bill7

    #67240
    Bill7
    Participant

    Hopkins, from that column:

    > The name of the lesson is “Look What We Can Do to You Any Time We Fucking Want.” The point of the lesson is self-explanatory. The USA taught the world this lesson when it nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki. GloboCap (and the US military) taught it again when they invaded Iraq and destabilized the entire Greater Middle East. It is regularly taught in penitentiaries when the prisoners start to get a little too unruly and remember that they outnumber the guards. That’s where the “lockdown” concept originated. It isn’t medical terminology. It is penal institution terminology.

    As we have been experiencing throughout 2020, the global capitalist ruling classes have no qualms about teaching us this lesson. It’s just that they would rather not to have to unless it’s absolutely necessary. They would prefer that we believe we are living in “democracies,” governed by the “rule of law,” where everyone is “free,” and so on. It’s much more efficient and much less dangerous than having to repeatedly remind us that they can take away our “democratic rights” in a heartbeat, unleash armed goon squads to enforce their edicts, and otherwise control us with sheer brute force..”

    Didn’t someone say here recently – echoing a current, mainstream narrative, of course- that we need to
    have a response more like China’s? “Sorry! you-the-very-many now have no rights™ whatsoever, but the important
    thing is: the virus™ magically disappeared!!!”

    A Class Analysis might be apposite

    #67241
    WES
    Participant

    I read somewhere that since March of 2020, 11 million people have entered Canada, mostly by airplane.

    If you fly into Canada, you are not required to quarantine for 2 weeks.

    However, if you try to cross the border by car, you must quarantine for 2 weeks!

    This is Sparkle Socks’s way of keeping Canadians safe from the virus!

    The MSM in Canada naturally spout how great a job Sparkle Socks is doing, completely ignoring the fact that there is a giant backdoor loophole in Canada’s border closing plan!

    No wonder Canada’s 3 largest provinces, Ontario, Quebec, and BC have seen nothing but rising virus cases! They each have the 3 largest international airports!

    This is one of the things I like about Sparkle Socks! He virtually signals one thing but actually does the opposite! He is so reliable that way!

    For example, he just raised the carbon tax on everyone in Canada so as to be seen actively fighting climate change, but just not in his own province of Quebec.

    Canadian sheep are a special group of exceptionally stupid sheep!

    #67242
    WES
    Participant

    Bill7:

    The only reason we don’t hear about the virus in China is because the Chinese media aren’t talking about it anymore! That is how you make the virus disappear!

    After Joe Biden is sworn in on January 20th, the US MSM will suddenly stop reporting the virus! The virus will suddenly disappear in the US too!

    The virus has done its intended job for both China and the Uniparty!

    #67243
    Bill7
    Participant

    WES: I think The mcVirus™ will be trotted out from time to time as needed, under our new, saviour-of-normalcy™ Biden [sure, sure] Administration. Their job is to kill off most of us, while making it not
    *too* obvious to the very many, at least at the beginning..

    “oops, you’re all dead! and we tried™ so hard..”

    #67244
    Bill7
    Participant

    As for Da Covid “exploding” (what does that term mean, BTW? Going up, down, sideways, or..?)
    in Califonia: I live in California, mostly always have on the central coast, and see *no evidence at all* of said “explosion”. The now-prevalent maskies make me a little nervous, though, with their frightened countenances..

    #67245
    WES
    Participant

    Notice that since the virus and face masks appeared, we haven’t been hearing anything about big brother’s facial recognition?

    Maybe that is why Dr. Farce from the CDC, first said to everyone, “masks don’t work”!oo

    #67246
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Hopper was deaf. You see that in the immense silence in his paintings.

    Did not know that! Good fit.

    #67247
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Notice that since the virus and face masks appeared, we haven’t been hearing anything about big brother’s facial recognition?

    I’m thinking that they’re thinking they don’t need that particular frightening/frightful apparatus:
    Da Cobid has worked *superlatively well* as a tool of fear on the great majority of the citizenry [-ies in the West], and the tool you mention can always be saved for later.. hope to hear from Russell Bangs
    again soon on all this.

    #67248
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Here’s my update on getting covid tested. I have noted that different test sites use different tests
    The local hospital uses the VERY uncomfortable test that tickles your brain via your nostril. The seniors residence (where my mother lives) uses a much less invasive test (touches the inside of the nose and throat). In discussion with the test administrator at the hospital I learned that the less invasive test is a lot less accurate. But even more interesting, apparently hospital workers are not systematically and regularly tested because they would lose workers! The administrator had never taken the test! If they don’t have to be tested, why do the rest of us have to? The test administrator noted that the more times people take the invasive test, the more painful it becomes, and she speculated that perhaps some injury is occuring. Incredible

    #67249
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    By next year to travel by air, get on Amtrak, get a driver’s license, any public function that has guarded gateways, you’ll have to show a digital certificate. If you don’t have a smart phone, you’ll have to go to the slow lane. The only thing that may stop this is if there are significant allergic responses to the second shot or if reinfection kicks off a cytokine storm.

    I am still shocked that, despite the evidence, the media does not point out that coronavirus pandemic in high inequality states without functioning public health systems overwhelms the for-profit hospital systems. To date, the lockdowns only address this problem. If the nation was united on restoring the public health system and doing what is necessary to defeat the virus, it could be done. It is just that the oligarchs and the paid politicians don’t care and will block any attempt to use upper-class wealth to fund a public health system. But the wealthy do support spending billions of dollars on for-profit corporate vaccines since they get a cut of it.

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