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    Jack Delano Discarded oil cans at truck service station on U.S. 1, New York Avenue, Washington, DC 1940   • Japan Braces For Hundreds More Cases
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    #54030
    williampemberton3
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    Raúl—I love your aggregator, and your often enlightening comments. But cheap, uneducated potshots at Christianity, while a recognized liberal pastime, are rather beneath the quality we have come to expect here. Everything about Christianity enforces the idea that man is NOT God. Nothing suggests that man is the “master” of creation, but rather that man is RESPONSIBLE FOR creation. It is rather liberal moral relativism, i.e. I determine what is right and wrong for myself, that attempts to put man in the place of God. Some neoconservatives use the language of Christianity to shield their unfettered greed, but that is no more “Christianity” than it is an argument against capitalism.

    #54031
    Dr. D
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    They’re still at this weeks later. So…NY Times follows all of us from, dunno, a month ago, that the Wuhan market is, 300 meters from the Wuhan biological weapons lab. Ya don’t say? Who’d a thunk? But no, really a bat ate a pangolin who ate a human. …And as reported — by China — that human was a lab worker. In that lab. Total accident, perfectly natural. Nope! Although we’ve been using bioweapons since Genghis Khan catapulted bodies over the walls, nobody never did nothin’. In the lab. 300 meters from the outbreak point. So don’t eat those animals.

    Moving on, so since we now known – and have known for days – that the tests aren’t perfect…and we’ve known that fact since since tests were invented…we then give one test and kick you out the door. …In 14 days. Because we know that the incubation can be 28, if not more, since unlike many, you can be re-infected. But sure, we ship everybody worldwide, with no precautions, after getting all together, breathing heavily, in a half-quarantine, making sure we’ve been as close as possible.

    No one is bothered at all. No one gets in trouble. “Who could have known?” You know, except everyone who’s ever been a doctor, anyone who’s done any training in epidemics, or anyone who’s seen a movie or read a pulp-fiction thriller on the subject.

    Okey! Dokey! Trust the Government and the World Health Organization. They make expert decisions on your behalf and when have they ever lied to you, created bioweapons, or used them?

    Biological Weapons: A Useful and Timely Factual Overview

    The Geopolitical Deployment of Biological Weapons


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare#Modern_history

    Oh except everywhere, all the time. But remember: we’re the good guys, so it’s okay and totally not against the 1925 Geneva Convention when we do it.

    Yes, please trust your government and media. It’s just straight Darwinism, maybe leaving the rest of us to survive a little. In aggregate.

    1,100 Former DOJ Employees Call on Barr to Resign (NPR)”

    Wow, thanks for being political and putting your name on a list. It’s so much easier now. Is that wrong? Well, if the permanent bureaucracy sets all policy, decides who’s hired, fired, what gets done, what do we have elections for? So, you’re saying we WANT an unaccountable, unelectable, un-removable, permanent group, you know, oligarchy, Deep State, an EU, whatever you want to call it, and for the people to have no say, no power, no chance except armed resistance. Got it. We know. You’ve been saying that for decades. That’s what we’re deciding right now. But if it doesn’t go according to democracy having an effect, your man Swalwell may have to break out the nukes and drop them on his own country, because like everywhere else on earth, the people won’t stand for it.

    Your choice. Hey what did that Democrat say? “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.” Hey nobody important, amirite? Just some idiot who said he’d break up the undermining, back-stabbing, undemocratic CIA and spread their ashes to the wind. …Who knew that and told you publicly that was true 60 years ago. And the President before him. And…

    “The electric carmaker had been clearing forest land near the capital, Berlin,”

    That’s ‘cause there’s no open land, no unused factories anywhere on planet earth already. Don’t you know it’s green when we pave the planet from sea to shining sea? P.S. don’t spill a quart of oil in your lawn or you’ll be arrested and fined by the EPA . ‘Cause that’s green! That’s logic!

    …And that’s kid’s stuff compared to the wars we fight and the mountains we level for the lithium mines. Behold! A Pale Green (Chloros) Horse!

    “Australia Broadcaster Loses Newsroom Raid Case (BBC)”

    Since they all worship government and fascism, they can enjoy the full consequences of their actions. Because #Logos, reality, is, you know, real. Nah. We’ll deny it and act super surprised.

    #54032
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Did you know the Chinese see the world the same way Christian religions do? G-d appointed man the master of the world! Must be the dumbest facet of religion: man declares himself G-d.”

    Raul speaks the truth. Religion tends to take the role of God upon itself by claiming to know that a) god is real and b) it knows what God wants. One may object that, as a single Xtian, one doesn’t see thingsd this way. (I, as a single Xtian, certainly don’t.) But Xtuianity as a group entity mostly has. It’s in its own history.

    Nobody’s taking a cheap pot shot at anything aexcept maybe you for roasting raul for pointing out an unfortunate and ugly facet of Xtianity (and humanity in general).

    #54033
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    P.S. Xtianity doesn’t make humanity reposible for Creation. Xtianity doesn’t even make humanity responsible for itself.

    The responsible Ones?

    #54034
    Dr. D
    Participant

    ~280~ The TRUTH About Pete Buttigieg, Leaked Bloomberg Audio, Julian Assange Out Of Solitary

    Because the media totally isn’t lying and is doing their job, covering 1st 5 obvious things on Wall St. Pete. But posting for 13:30, where he takes 5 minutes to read the high-level mostly white-collar, multi-billion dollar crimes that no one cares about. And is hard on Trump. Wouldn’t want confirmation bias. But for real things he’s actually done/is doing, which is how you know it’ll never be on T.V. The only enemy is the truth. Like the name of God, we must never have the Truth in our mouth. Even if it would win, help us, and make impeachment and the election easier. Because that’s our religion.

    Oh and 18:15 on Assange. With solutions!

    #54036
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I like the north american indigenous story of creation in which animals and plants lived on Earth before Earth Mother arrived, giving animals advance knowledge of the Earth and putting humans in the position of gleaning knowledge from the animal and plant life, in order to survive on “Turtle Island”. The narratives we tell ourselves are important – just like the one about how good it is for huge corporations to set up supply chains that span the globe! Good for creating great jobs and cheaper stuff –what could go wrong?
    Back to my herbal hobby horse- just read on Mercola site that iodine is another great general anti-viral – apparently could be used as aerosol or in masks. Also read on Jon Barron the reminder that intestinal flora are responsible for at least 70 percent of immune function, so it might be good to keep those little guys fed and healthy, avoiding antibiotic-laden meat, opt instead for unpasteurized sauerkraut.

    #54037
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I like the north american indigenous story of creation in which animals and plants lived on Earth before Earth Mother arrived, giving animals advance knowledge of the Earth and putting humans in the position of gleaning knowledge from the animal and plant life, in order to survive on “Turtle Island”. The narratives we tell ourselves are important – just like the one about how good it is for huge corporations to set up supply chains that span the globe! Good for creating great jobs and cheaper stuff –what could go wrong?
    Back to my herbal hobby horse- just read on Mercola site that iodine is another great general anti-viral – apparently could be used as aerosol or in masks. Also read on Jon Barron the reminder that intestinal flora are responsible for at least 70 percent of immune function, so it might be good to keep those little guys fed and healthy, avoiding antibiotic-laden meat, opt instead for unpasteurized sauerkraut.

    #54038
    zerosum
    Participant

    Jack Delano Discarded oil cans at truck service station on U.S. 1, New York Avenue, Washington, DC 1940
    Yep! I remember, that was normal….. buying oil when getting gas

    • Armed Robbers Steal Hundreds Of Toilet Rolls In Hong Kong (BBC)

    Yep! Even when and where the virus has not arrived. Supplies of facemasks, etc. are being stolen. There will be a big profit to be made when the virus arrives. That’s the way supply and demand, capitalism/monopoly operates.

    • 1,100 Former DOJ Employees Call On Barr To Resign (NPR)

    The key word is former. see …. their bias is still operating even after retirement. see when they were working there was justice now there is no justice
    god like …. for ever and ever
    amen

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_warfare#Modern_history

    Here is the plot for the next best selling fiction book.

    Nobody and I mean nobody who has ever tried to use an infected blanket as a biological weapon, would ever think of doing that again.
    Just in case, I would think that it would be advise able to has a research lab looking into finding anti-virus.
    Since China is not a capitalist country, then I can assume that profit was not their main objective in developing an anti-flue against the common cold virus.
    China tried to find protection/anti-virus for the cold flue virus. China made a mistake. An experiment did not produce an anti-virus. The experiment escaped.
    Covid-19 remains a mystery pathogen. It can be deadly. It’s like a bad pneumonia.
    The deaths from the Covid-19 could have been avoided.
    If China had lets the USA come to the rescue.
    The USA will save the world.
    The USA will find a cure for Covid-19.
    The End

    #54039
    PlanetaryCitizen
    Participant

    “The civil servants think they have the right to set policy. And don’t you dare question that. But wasn’t it perhaps high time someone did?”

    Exactly, what we really need is a King and his henchmen! Only then will we have true order in the country!

    #54040
    Dr. D
    Participant

    It wouldn’t be a king if he’s voted in and out.

    It would be WORSE than a king if the courtiers and advisors decide, can never be named, can never be appealed, can never be questioned, and can never be removed.

    That’s the only form of government WORSE than democracy and WORSE than a king. At least occasionally kings can be benevolent. Democracies can work a little at first.

    Henchmen only. You have suggested the only method by which the government is preeminent, and is never accountable to, nor restrained by, the people. The people are an afterthought, cattle to be used. Pure, unabashed tyranny. And of what? OF the FEW, those civil employees, OVER the many, the people and taxpayers who exist strictly at their pleasure, i.e. YOU. And me. Or if they spend 20 years ignoring and avoiding the prosecution of rapes of underage girls in Minnesota for the elite on a small island in the Caribbean, exist FOR their pleasure. And there’s nothing you can do. We cannot even QUESTION if it’s wrong.

    It’s almost like, “a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance,” but you see how the people deal with such men, and such disorder as they cause.

    I intend to question my civil servants, because they ARE servants, and hold them accountable to law, ALL law, for they are human beings like the rest of us, and NOT superior, not our betters, not more equal. And that’s a revolutionary thing, I guess, so I’ll outline it here, where someone has kindly written it for me:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence
    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration

    #54041
    zerosum
    Participant

    Something to read

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/flusight/about-flu-forecasting.htm

    Unlike CDC’s traditional influenza surveillance systems, which measure influenza activity after it has occurred, flu forecasting offers the possibility to look into the future and better plan ahead, potentially reducing the impact of flu.

    #54042
    zerosum
    Participant

    ONLY – OLD SICK POOR – FALSE
    Breaking: Liu Zhiming, head of Wuchang Hospital, a designated hospital in #Wuhan, died just now from pneumonia caused by #COVID19. Mourning goes to the FIRST hospital director who died on the battlefield against the virus.

    #54043
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    DiEM25 demands: no extradition of Julian Assange to the United States
    https://diem25.org/diem25-demands-no-extradition-of-julian-assange-to-the-united-states/

    #54044
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    There is no organizing principle to this rant other thasn I got an iron infusion this AM and how have just enough oxygen going in my brain to be old and crotchety. If it makes any sense, blame thine own self.

    I was at the hospital this morning. I’d guesstimate the increase in face masks and conscientious hand-cleaning was increased 300% per cent. The amount of ‘have a mask’ proferring locations was definitely increased. I wrapped my scarf around my face. I noticed almost all the mask-wearers were Asian, and I thought I detected one or two angry looks their way from people who looked rather ‘mur’can to me. How dare those Asians seek health-care and follow health care disease prevention protocol!

    While it can be intriguing to ponder who the virus is the result of government military madness gone awary by accident or on purpose, I have no idea what we can practically do with such hypotheses. So, “USA” is perhaps invading “China” with evil viruses? If so, cute, but viruses don’t wear uniforms, and they follow orders no better than human soldiers do.

    It is, after all, a global civilization and economy.

    I think the virus will briefly make a weird retreat before swelling ominously like a tsunami before overhwhelming the medical systems of any polity it squares off with. From all the (few) solid data I know on how this thing spreads, I think the actual contagion rate in effect right now is much like Raul and others interpret from the data: basically unstoppable without global ubiqutuitous quarantine.

    Here’s an interesting stat on cruise ships:

    “Total worldwide ocean cruise capacity at the end of 2018 will be 537,000 passengers and 314 ships. Annualized total passengers carried worldwide will be 26.0 million (a 3.3% increase over 2017). Brand diversification of all operations is summarized below.”

    That makes for a lot of conveniently offshore hospital beds for what appears to be a necessary 28-day quarantine/observation period before being let into less stringent quarantines for another week or two.

    Basically twelve quarantines of half a million per month.

    Why I mention this is beyond me. We’d never cooperate and it wouldn’t work anyway. What works is that you create a culture right away where for 4 solid weeks everyone acts like the plague is everywhere. You have to freeze people in manageable quarantine boundaries until contagion ceases, and that is that. (Which, fwiw, is what China IS doing, however incompetently or dishonestly. The strain on China of what little they’re doing is already pulling the dragon apart.)

    For a country like the USA, at 4 face masks a day, that’s 300-plus million face masks times four times a day (120 million face masks a day) times 30 days. That’s 14.4 million face masks. Even if everyone behaved, that’s a big industry rampup for something needing action yesterday. And that doesn’t do much if foreign citizens come here and reinfect us. I read that China is the world’s largest manufacturer of face masks and they are already experiencing shortage-related issues.

    Oh, and it’s census year.

    Putting aside the usual entertainmernts of hysterical speculation, this thing looks like a genuine century-shaper. Happening right at the cusp of a historical turning point. Practically a hundred years on the dot since the Spanish flu thingie.

    With weather that tends to destroy entire regional sanitary systems like we see happening in major, record-breaking floods in the south Midwest right now.

    And so on… how do you stop a just-in-time global economy without trashing necessary supply lines? I don’t see it.

    But at least I haven’t seen any ‘Xtian God is on OUR side” nonsense from the ‘mur’can profile. Wait till it becomes a religious thing.

    Oh well.

    Beat the Reaper

    So some racially bigoted violence will occur in the process here in the States. Ho-hum. This is America. Racially bigoted violence is a Slurpee flavor to us. I may get to kick the ass of some asshole kicking Asian ass for stupidity’s sake yet. I got a mean streak in me likes to stomp people what like to stomp people. Especially whwen they pull a gun. I’ve made one person pondere ating their .45. I made another guy realize that pointing a cocked double-barrel sawed-off makes me klaught and, apparentl;y, kinda scary to be near, so that person left. (Ah, being young had its moments.) I’d love to show some dumbass 2nd Amendment dildo what lousy protection a firearm is in real life. If it makes you feel safe, it’s already dangerous. Sorry, 2nd Amendment devotees, but it’s a dumb rule interpreted stupidly by both sides and it means nothing cuz we’re already drowning in guns and ammo. And then there’s the funny nonsense about walking around armed like it’s Baghdad, and calling yourself “just a law-abiding citizen”.

    Likewise, the left dismissing them as “God, guns, and religion” feeble-minders. Apparently, some people prefer lawyers, guns, and money, America’s primary GDP these days.

    Face Masks

    #54045
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Stupid bold html. Wasn’t me!

    #54046
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “For a country like the USA, at 4 face masks a day, that’s 300-plus million face masks times four times a day (120 million face masks a day) times 30 days. That’s 14.4 million face masks.”

    Not enough oxygen yet. That’s 1.2 billion face masks a day or 36 billion a month. That’s five times the entire gobal populace for one nation for one month. Well, a month is all it should take, but still. The logistics make solving Y2K seem easy. And they had years.

    Oh, this one’s for Doc D: so it’s 1999 and the US Post Office had this y2k countdown clock whizzing milliseconds along like it’s just another budget deficit marquee albeit backwards.

    “Is that thing Y2K compliant,” I joked?

    “Gee, I dunno,” the guy said, far too seriously. I bought my stamps and left, humiliated and defeated by the public education system yet again. Yes, we grow them that dumb and yes, they handle our mail. I don’t weant to know what chatter is like in google headquarters cafeteria. I think I’d rather watch rats chew on Rubix cubes.

    #54047
    boscohorowitz
    Participant
    #54048
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Global supply chain are toast at this point.

    There never was a plan ‘B’ in efficient ‘just in time’ supply chains vs costlier redundant backup inventory warehouses.

    There is no way in hell to correct such a colossal mis-allocation of resources into the blind alley of ‘just in time’.

    Smart thinking of all the things, little and large, that you’d miss if their supply chain really broke but good.

    The story of armed men robbing a truck in Hong Kong for a couple hundred rolls of toilet paper comes to mind. Imagine getting shot and dying for a delivery load of toilet paper, imagine that as your epitaph.

    Many municipal water systems have replaced older US made pumps with Chinese knockoffs to save money over the last few decades. The US companies and factories that made them and spare parts are gone. The Chinese factories are shut down and quarantined, there are very few spare parts in the supply chain. Do you like safe potable water? Well, maybe you’ll just have to due without ‘for awhile’.

    How about your Meds? Do you really need them? Well 96% of them are made in China, Including all the ones there are frantically trying to use on Coronavirus patients desperately hoping something will work. Well, will you trust your Chinese meds aren’t tainted from now on. Did you have much faith in Chinese quality control safety regulations before the Covid19 Ninja virus? How about now and going forward?

    I Told You I Was Sick

    #54050
    zerosum
    Participant

    How about your Meds?
    I read, don’t have clue if its true, that the raw chemicals to make the meds are made in India.

    #54051
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Both China and India produce the base chemicals for pretty much all world meds.

    #54052
    WES
    Participant

    Dr. D:. To the best of my knowledge, in the 30 or so countries I have been in, nobody I ever met trusted their government!!!! That seems to be a universal truth!

    I think one could safely extend that mistrust to world government organizations like the UN and WHO, and to the media too!

    #54053
    WES
    Participant

    Dave:. Guess I had better stock up on allergy pills! thanks

    #54054
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    A large percentage of vitamins and other supplements come from China, too. For example, “An estimated 95% of the world’s vitamin C is produced in China (according to vitamin distributors).”

    #54055
    zerosum
    Participant

    Will the Death from Old flue be replaced by death from New flue.
    https://www.contagionlive.com/news/flu-cases-surpass-22-million-as-13th-coronavirus-case-is-confirmed-in-us
    Flu Cases Surpass 22 Million as 13th Coronavirus Case is Confirmed in US
    FEB 11, 2020 | MICHAELA FLEMING

    Recent estimates indicate that of the 22 million flu cases in the US thus far, 210,000 hospitalizations have occurred, and 12,000 deaths have been reported.

    #54056
    Dave Note
    Participant

    Would We Still Have Power & Water If We Had A Massive Coronavirus Quarantine In The US?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/would-we-still-have-power-water-if-we-had-massive-coronavirus-quarantine-us

    #54057
    Dave Note
    Participant

    No we would not.

    #54058
    zerosum
    Participant

    There is no vaccines for COVID-19
    who will lose money if people do not buy the flue vaccines?
    China has 8 producers of influenza products
    https://www.who.int/influenza/Influenza_vaccine_manufacturers2009_05.pdf

    #54059
    zerosum
    Participant

    Let’s get technical

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6107316/
    MMWR Recomm Rep. 2018 Aug 24; 67(3): 1–20.
    Published online 2018 Aug 24.
    Prevention and Control of Seasonal Influenza with Vaccines: Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices—United States, 2018–19 Influenza Season
    Lisa A. Grohskopf, MD,1 Leslie Z. Sokolow, MSc, MPH,1,2 Karen R. Broder, MD,3 Emmanuel B. Walter, MD,4 Alicia M. Fry, MD,1 and Daniel B. Jernigan, MD1

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