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    Jack Delano Entrance to colored drivers’ lunchroom at truck service station on U.S. 1 (New York Avenue) 1940   • 338 Americans Flown Home From Cr
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle February 18 2020]

    #54069
    oxymoron
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    Any of these philanthropists are absolutely morally bankrupt. How can you be in the business of destroying huge parts/components/regions of the environment and then say you are making an attempt to save it? It is by definition insanity. I really want to have compassion for these people who are literally, clinically insane but they make me angry. I think of indigenous elders and chiefs just looking at the invaders taking down 3000 year old trees or damming rivers and I can see the same case. It is looking at an insane person and having compassion but knowing they will ultimately kill you and the world you love. It is the great plains with more than 60 million bison to 540 animals in 100 years. It really pisses me off.

    #54070
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Mercy! What a statement!
    Jack Delano Entrance to colored drivers’ lunchroom at truck service station on U.S. 1 (New York Avenue) 1940

    America’s legacy to this day…

    oxymoron
    It really pisses me off!

    Ya sure, you betcha; me too, in spades!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    #54071

    oxy,

    If Bezos is insane, what are those who praise him for establishing his Bezos Earth Fund?.

    Note: according to Charles Mann in his books 1491/1493, the number of bison/buffalo was much lower in 1500 than in 1700/1800. It took the mass extinction of native Americans to create the space for the huge herds. Prior to that, there were simply too many people living on the continent, and the land was used for farming.

    #54072
    VisionHawk
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    oxymoron….. thank you!
    Amen.
    We are what we believe…..

    #54073
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Bloomberg demonstrates far better than I ever could how to create the next Holodomor and kill the next ten million people with his “expert” policies. “”You dig a hole, you put a seed in, you put dirt on top, add water, up comes the corn,” Uh-huh. I vote to put him on an island with 100 seeds of corn and see how he does. I’ll even pre-dig the holes! He’d be dead in 6 months. But that would be only him. If he gets in charge, we’ll ALL be dead in 6 years with his genius expert help. Just ask FDR, the LAST expert who helped hunger in America by pouring out milk and plowing crops under. #Winning! Just like we won the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs!

    Bezos, the next “expert” “helping” us all to death, says “Jeff Bezos Launches $10 Billion “Bezos Earth Fund” to Fight Climate Change” which he could do far more simply by NOT blizzard-shipping goods worldwide TO then from China, and would also employ U.S. workers not in murderous sweatshops with ambulances parked outside. Don’t hold your breath.

    People never get tired of it. Even when they’re immolated by their “expert” “Genius” lithium powered car, “helping” the environment by cutting down forests, paving the topsoil for 1,000 years, mining lithium, then setting it on fire. That’s a plan so good, we should subsidize it!

    Ah #Government, doing what they do best: killing people. And charging them for the privilege.

    “338 Americans Flown Home from Cruise Ship, Including 14 with Coronavirus (R.)”

    They were testing quarantine on these guys, and I don’t exactly blame them. Newsflash: it failed. So that tells us that common procedures are inadequate to contain it, and only exceptional, heroic (and expensive and/or impossible) measures will contain it. …So basically kiss it goodbye, everybody is getting this thing. Also no picture page of the victims, as often happens, and no tallies of deaths in China vs out.
    The NY Times admits – only because the Chinese ‘government’ appears to have admitted – that there was indeed a breach at the Wuhan lab. You know, the one across the street from the fish market? (Good planning). The worker quarantined himself responsibly for 14 days. …Buuuuut the incubation period may be at least 28. Why bring this up? EVERY OTHER MEDIA OUTLET IS STILL DENYING THIS AS A CONSPIRACY THEORY. Yes, AFTER it’s essentially been confirmed by the Chinese government itself, no doubt with a bitter fight.

    Okay, folks: if you didn’t realize it when you got your Press Pass, in journalism NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED YET, that’s why they call it NEWS. It just happened or is still happening. It’s YOUR job to take the facts, use your head, and try to tell the public what did or might have happened first. That means there are various theories as to how or why (Ah, but who uses even ONE of the 5 W’s anymore?) and those questions may persist, you know, FOREVER. As in, “so and so was accused of murder and went to court, and there is evidence, but claims he’s innocent.” Is he guilty? Today’s Non…or actually #ANTIJournalists…would decide #Truth according to what is popular with their friends on Twitter, call no one for a statement, and not open this neat thing called “Google” that would have this neat thing called “information” to check.

    Did it happen? Was it a release? An accident? A Bioweapon? Who the heck knows? Because I am, you know, a man, who is you know, alive, I’ll suppose it did for many reasons, but that’s just my conclusion from the facts and you can draw another. I’ll say that for you so you can run away screaming like a little girl. The point is that NO ONE KNOWS. That means asking (and printing) questions is YOUR JOB. Yet they will print that theories are de-facto fake, because they exist, because they don’t prefer them, without asking any questions, calling anyone, smearing everyone, because a hostile foreign government that runs open concentration camps says so, AND are proving a negative to boot. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_a_negative But they’re from Yale, so be sure to fasten their helmets to the short bus, and drag us all along, tossing our IQs down a well, with all America. #DumbestEver. Hey, a strange and suspicious new supervirus was first discovered 300 feet from China’s biggest bio-lab, and unlike all other viruses, is killing everyone on earth. Whaddya think? Related?

    P.S. about the cruise ships, I love how they describe that separating one husband and one wife, in quarantine, is the real tragedy here. Because they’re rich guys from the West, I guess? Hey reporter: maybe to get any cred in your job you might want to go somewhere, you know, — not a safe space — and witness, I dunno, “News” where people actually die of life? Being in the U.S. I can do that right here at home, down the street from my house, so you might want to try it. Millions of people, billions, maybe even most people ever, have died of infection and fever and stopped breathing at home in their beds with their families. Most everybody ever before 1900. You might have heard of it, it’s in “books” made of “history.” Try it sometime. Now it’s our turn. Clue: being two rich peoples, alive, under tremendous medical intervention, and just in two different rooms communicating by radio cell phone does NOT happen to be the greatest tragedy on earth today. But if you “called” the individuals on the “phone” for a “statement”, instead of sitting in Brooklyn on Twitter, you might learn that. I imagine the elderly couple would tell you themselves. If you asked.

    “One email disclosed that Islamic State (ISIS) was bankrolled by the governments of Saudi Arabia and Qatar, from which Clinton accepted huge “donations”.”

    Part or a lot of the plan is to divert focus from the leaks – which have never been proven false, have never once been contested – to Wikileaks, Assange, etc. That way they all escape with thousands of bitter, mass-murdering, unconstitutional crimes of power and personal profit. And it’s working great! No one’s even talking about the worldwide robbery and mass-murder campaign they were running.

    The shut down indicates they are about to release some juicy new information that will ALSO be true and uncontested, so they’re shutting down 60 Minutes, ZeroHedge, and anybody else they can find.

    All boring.

    So Redacted pointed out why they have 21 candidates in the race. It’s election arcana: a DNC needs 1,990 votes to be the automatic candidate. So the FIRST order of business, back last year, was to stop that. I mean, we don’t want a candidate the DNC voters prefer, think of what could happen! So with 21 (24?) candidates, each might get, one vote, even Patrick, which happened several times in Iowa, bleeding off critical votes to ‘accidentally’ cause Bernie to be one vote short. Works! And it’s working even today. They probably didn’t expect it be this bad, but the people hate the Neo-Libs Soooooooooooooooooooooooooo much!!! And they’ve sniffed out that Cheatin’ Pete is one, which would take 60 seconds on “Google”. So because of election arcana, without a set candidate, it goes to “Contested”, where then the insiders can use their much-detested undemocratic “Superdelegates” (some animals are more equal), combine hated Bloomberg with pointless, uninspired Klobuchar, or CIA-puppet Pete with Hillary…whatever works! And obviously screw Bernie, lock out the party, and prevent democracy. Of course! Laissez le bon temps rouler! Mo’ money, Mo’ money, mo’ war, mo’ circular kickbacks from Lockheed and Ukraine, from Planned Parenthood and tens-billion$$$ of “stimulus” money that got 25 jobs created.

    Oh wait, did I say ‘so boring’? So boring. Problem is, when they screw their base, like 55% of them, they’re not going to turn out to vote and you lose all. But if there’s a quarantine in the election, we can contest the general and try that beautiful civil war again. But when you’re #AntiLogos by religion, this is your goal, your nirvana, this is what you do.

    If it were me — and I’m trying to help here — you could pick a candidate the people want and elect them against the easiest opponent ever, and you know, steal a wee leeetle bit less, maybe only as much as the multi-trillion thefts of the 2000’s? Nope!

    Do not understand. But that’s good. It’s better if they lose and therby lose the opportunity to murder and steal. And the Civil War in Virginia is on hold for now. Actually showing up and getting involved worked. The hazard of an election loss – and against the fear of the people justly shooting you in the streets – finally got through to them and they conceded, “You know, creating laws the people won’t follow and we can’t enforce and the whole enforcement arm will quit over actually ISN’T a wise thing.” Aha! Lightbulb finally goes off, and they didn’t have to use the clue-by-four on the back of the cranium at all, just remind them it exists and we wield it, like that old document I posted yesterday said. But I wouldn’t get saucy, they’ll be back, again and again, forever and ever, trying ever-again to have unelected, unaccountable government run roughshod boots on the face of…you know, everyone…forever, just as that guy once said.

    Just another Tuesday.

    #54074
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “The new cybersecurity centers are part of a new New York City public-private partnership called “CyberNYC” that is valued at over $100 million and officially aims to “spur the creation of 10,000 cybersecurity jobs and make New York City a global leader in cyber innovation.” ”

    Tangential observation: jobs, no matter how high-paying, that pay cyber-cops to protect data, are resource-drainers. High-paid cyber-cop still gets to exchange his $$ for food grown by real workers somewhere cooked by energy resources mined by someone somewhere… exchagning less-than-nothing for something.

    As China goes into quarantine shutdown, the world feels it: China makes real stuff. As USA goes into quarantine shutdown, the world will mostly feel growing relief from oppression, intimidation, burden.

    #54075
    neoh
    Participant

    Be careful for what you wish for bosco.
    People kill people. Doesn’t matter what color or nationality they are. The current top dog gets the blame but is soon replaced by the next top dog.
    Eliminating “white people” or a nation only results in a new oppressor. Native Americans were slaughtering each other before the Europeans arrived and slaughtered them. African tribes sold other tribes to Europeans for slaves.
    People are not responsible for what somebody did hundreds of years ago because everybody was doing the same thing. All we can do is try to be is individually compassionate today. We are not responsible for what people did hundreds of years ago, or for that matter, how they behave hundreds of years from now.

    #54076
    zerosum
    Participant

    no vaccines

    Yesterday I posted links of the mfg and also a technical paper that highlight the procedure needed to get a vaccine approved.

    https://www.who.int/influenza/Influenza_vaccine_manufacturers2009_05.pdf
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6107316/

    Also, a comparison of the old a new flue for this year.

    https://www.contagionlive.com/news/flu-cases-surpass-22-million-as-13th-coronavirus-case-is-confirmed-in-us
    Flu Cases Surpass 22 Million as 13th Coronavirus Case is Confirmed in US
    FEB 11, 2020 | MICHAELA FLEMING
    Now here is the latest update
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/japan-confirms-88-more-cases-aboard-diamond-princess-one-day-quarantine-set-end

    In a recent study, China’s CCDC found that the virus’s fatality rate – 14.8% – is for people aged 80 or older with co-occurring medical conditions. Young and healthy people, meanwhile, typically experience much more mild symptoms, according to the BBC. Along those same lines, the WHO confirmed on Tuesday that the virus manifests as only a minor infection in four out of five people who contract it, according to the Guardian.
    For everybody still saying that the virus is no more dangerous than the annual flu outbreak, here’s some food for thought: An analysis of 44,672 coronavirus patients in China whose diagnoses were confirmed by laboratory testing has found that 1,023 had died by Feb. 11, a fatality rate of 2.3%. That’s far higher than the mortality rate for the seasonal flu.

    Pay attention:
    A person cannot die twice. Those who are most likely to die are from the same pool of people. ( for people aged 80 or older with co-occurring medical conditions.)
    Therefore, lets keep comparing the number of death from both flue. I expect that the total number of people dying will not be much different than historical averages.
    Let’s wait. Its not time to panic.

    #54077
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Slippery slope to say we are not responsible for what was done previously. Borders for countries, constitutions were built in some cases 100s of years ago. Can we just ignore all that? Usually there is some selectivity in what elements of the past should be attended to and those we are supposed to ignore. When in Canada there is talk of compensating indigenous people for land that was stolen from them, this is typically the moment when people talk about not being able to right the wrongs of the past.

    Modern pharmaceuticals have been as corrupted by greed as every other aspect of our lives. The largest share of the money goes to the drugs that make the most money. Antibiotics are not on the list
    In Canada most of drug testing is done by pharma companies. Results are reviewed by government, on a timeline that includes penalties for the government should the reviews take too long. Recently rules have been put in place whereby all drug trials have to be registered. Previously pharma companies could run 10 trials, have 9 fail, and only the one successful one would see the light of day.

    #54078
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Be careful for what you wish for bosco.”

    What, exactly, have I “wished for”? I’m not seeing it. Here’s what I wish for: people would adress theuir resp[onses to a remark, not a void.

    #54079
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “Let’s wait. Its not time to panic.”

    It’s not something one schedules.

    #54080
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    As for this:

    “People kill people. Doesn’t matter what color or nationality they are. The current top dog gets the blame but is soon replaced by the next top dog.
    Eliminating “white people” or a nation only results in a new oppressor. Native Americans were slaughtering each other before the Europeans arrived and slaughtered them. African tribes sold other tribes to Europeans for slaves.
    People are not responsible for what somebody did hundreds of years ago because everybody was doing the same thing. All we can do is try to be is individually compassionate today. We are not responsible for what people did hundreds of years ago, or for that matter, how they behave hundreds of years from now.”

    Please tell us something we don’t already know. Lord have mercy.

    #54081
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    CAN AMAZON SURVIVE THE VIRUS?

    If infections take off in any country Amazon operates in then what will be the effect?

    – Can you be sure the warehouse people are not leaving viruses on the packaging
    – The same applies to delivery drivers [If delivery services still exists]
    – Can the goods themselves be contaminated

    Also I feel that people in fear of infection will be less inclined to consume except out of necessity, such as food.

    Online retail could be as badly affected as traditional retail.

    #54082
    WES
    Participant

    Bosco:. Well now you have gone and done it! I am not exactly sure what you have done, but whatever you have done, you need to stop it! Carry on as usual!

    As near as I can figure mini Mike Bloomberg is running so he can do an end run around Democrat party rules on campaign financing. By running he can spend as much of his own money as he likes!

    Now speaking of being liked, I can’t think of any voters mini Mike likes! He seems to dispise all the little people equally! And this from a little guy too!

    Somehow I think mini Mike is just running interference for Hillary! He isn’t running the same way as all the other candidates are running! He is walking!

    I think the DNC club has everything under control! I like how the DNC are running Nevada’s causcus over 3 days so they can count the votes more slowly while screwing Bernie again! Bernie doesn’t seem to mind!

    After reading a bit more on the so called quarantine of the Diamond Princess, I can see many reasons why this quarantine helped spread the coronavirus instead of containing it! None of the ship’s crew were quarantined! They continued to share quarters and work together! Passengers in on balcony rooms continued to walk the decks everyday! Then there is the common air conditioning system! All of this ensured that the virus continued to spread! Oh well, live and learn the hard way!

    The only way to stop the virus spread on this ship is to remove passengers and quarantine them in smaller groups spread out so that they are truly quarantined!

    Yesterday, I finally learned the real reason why the Allies used over 1000 bombers to totally bomb and fire bomb the city of Dresden, which is located directly south of Berlin in south eastern Germany.

    First, I had not realized that Dresden was so far east in Germany, thinking it was more in western Germany.

    Once I had Dresden properly located, I then suddenly understood for the first time that the Allies were really sending a very strong message to Stalin and his advancing Red army! And the message wasn’t, keep up the good work boys!

    It had nothing to do with what the people of Dresden had done in the war to deserve this! They just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time! I am sure the Russian army was quite shocked at the total destruction they saw when they first entered Dresden!

    I also discovered a second reason the US dropped two atomic bombs on Japan. Again it had nothing to do with what those poor Japanese in those two hapless cities did!

    Again, it was to send an even stronger message to Stalin and his armies then sweeping through Manchuria and Korea. Hence South Korea and the 38th parallel north! This time Stalin was shocked.

    Would the victims of these 3 cities feel any better knowing the real reason why they had to die? Sadly, I suspect the opposite.

    #54083
    zerosum
    Participant

    every delegate that mini mike gets can be given to who he favors
    the man behind the throne

    #54084
    VietnamVet
    Participant

    China did about all a government can do. Industry is restarting after the lunar holiday extension. It is too soon to tell if Chinese manufacturing will recover. But the failed Diamond Princess quarantine shows that face masks and keeping your distance from others won’t succeed in the workplace. The real question is how long will It take to reconstitute factory floors with trained survivors.

    Elsewhere, only extreme measures will prevent the spread of the contagion. Throughout the world there will be pockets where the virus gets loose in the population. The remnants of the Public Health System will be overwhelmed by the poor, elderly and ill dying. The Post Office and Amazon should be required to sanitize all mail and packages. Utility, transport and food preparation and delivery workers must be provided with adequate Personnel Protective Equipment.

    As soon as deplorable Westerners recognize that their neo-aristocratic governments aren’t going to spend any money to keep their families alive; society will disintegrate. If 50% of the population becomes infected and 2% die, the death of 3.3 million Americans due to the greed of the oligarchs will not go unnoticed.

    #54085
    zerosum
    Participant

    “If 50% of the population becomes infected and 2% die, the death of 3.3 million Americans ”

    You got to think positive.
    Wealth transfer from the elderly.
    Job opportunity.
    LOWER HOUSING COST DUE TO THE INCREASED VOLUME
    INCREASE WAGES.
    Debt jubilee.
    Saving of pension plans because there will be less people getting payment
    etc.

    #54086
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    As soon as deplorable Westerners recognize that their neo-aristocratic governments aren’t going to spend any money to keep their families alive; society will disintegrate. If 50% of the population becomes infected and 2% die, the death of 3.3 million Americans due to the greed of the oligarchs will not go unnoticed.

    There is an inertia of denial to overcome in the U.S.. Come hell and/or high water; the beat will go on…
    If anything were going to change in that very sick society; I believe it would have happened long ago…

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