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    Edward Hopper People in the sun 1963   • More Australians Have Died From AstraZeneca-Related Clots Than Covid (USAT) • Sen. Johnson: Media Suppre
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 22 2021]

    #77930
    V. Arnold
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    Given we’re all bozos on the same bus (Firesign Theater)…
    I don’t much see this ending well…
    ,,,unless you’re old, like me… 😉

    #77931
    Germ
    Participant

    Yesterday, somebody asked about megnetism:

    “Superparamagnetic nanoparticle delivery of DNA vaccine”

    The efficiency of delivery of DNA vaccines is often relatively low compared to protein vaccines. The use of superparamagnetic iron oxide nanoparticles (SPIONs) to deliver genes via magnetofection shows promise in improving the efficiency of gene delivery both in vitro and in vivo.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24715289/

    #77932
    Germ
    Participant

    Insights into the mechanism of magnetofection using MNPs-PEI/pDNA/free PEI magnetofectins

    “In summary, our findings further the knowledge of magnetofection and can be helpful for the design and preparation of gene delivery vehicles for effective magnetofection.”

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21807084/

    #77933
    absolute galore
    Participant

    The machine age aesthetic that comes through his paintings, the unforgiving light, the slight awkwardness and total isolation of the figures,even when in groups–gotta love Hopper for capturing the underlying psychological spirit of an age.

    I will say once more, the tendency to overhype the vaccine dangers without solid information is counterproductive. Yes, some of the reports are alarming. I certainly hope the vaccines are not ticking time bombs, since just about everyone I know and care about has gotten themselves jabbed.

    One Covid death in Australia all year? Come on. If that is true, it certainly makes a good case for lockdowns.

    If the variants are as harmless as the graphic info in that video, it would seem they are being used not only as further scare tactic, but to get the vaxxed even more angry toward the non-vaxxed–“your refusal to submit to this experiment is making the virus more deadly!”

    I see potential evidence of this in world of energy, as well. This idea that big oil companies are being hijacked by green energy “activists” –give me a break. How about the oil companies are not making enough money to look for more oil (and they know the diminishing returns on that game at this point), they never made money on the shale oil. When oil prices shoot up, when there are lines at the pump, now they can point to the “activists.”

    Foolishly, I keep cruising over to the NYT to see some acknowledgement of any of the information we talk about here. But even the Fauci stuff has gone away. That is the scariest thing, that so much, even if it sees the light, gets ignored and goes away. I wonder if the Chinese spy guy Jim K. writes about will get Epsteined?

    Weird how “lumber” suddenly plummets 40%. That was just a natural correction in the free market that happened overnight, right? Leading to my favorite idiot, Paul Krugman, proclaiming “The Week Inflation Panic Died.” You go Paul. I’m more inclined to go with Chris Martenson’s forecast of an oil crunch whammy in the near future. (Can’t read the NYT Krugman piece, behind paywall. Saves me aggravation.)

    Talking with a couple of guys while loading a piece of auction furniture into a truck yesterday, someone mentioned the Chinese had stockpiled copper and just released a bunch, affecting that price. Haven’t looked into that. Again, where does this info come from, and why?

    #77934
    Germ
    Participant

    “Improving Magnetofection of Magnetic Polyethylenimine Nanoparticles into MG-63 Osteoblasts Using a Novel Uniform Magnetic Field”

    This study aimed to improve the magnetofection of MG-63 osteoblasts by integrating the use of a novel uniform magnetic field with low molecular weight polyethylenimine modified superparamagnetic iron oxide nanoparticles (PEI-SPIO-NPs). The excellent characteristics of PEI-SPIO-NPs such as size, zeta potential, the pDNA binding and protective ability were determined to be suitable for gene delivery.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30874913/

    #77935
    Germ
    Participant

    Superparamagnetic iron oxide nanoparticles as a gene delivery vector.

    This study describes the synthesis of novel gene delivery vector with low toxicity and high transfection efficiency for magnetofection. 

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26443109/

    #77936
    Germ
    Participant

    Geert Vanden Bossche’s latest:

    “Why the ongoing mass vaccination experiment drives a rapid evolutionary response of SARS-CoV-2”

    https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/why-the-ongoing-mass-vaccination-experiment-drives-a-rapid-evolutionary-response-of-sars-cov-2

    Vaxxed folks are fucked.

    #77937
    Germ
    Participant

    WHO says:

    Children should not be vaccinated for the moment.

    There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/covid-19-vaccines/advice

    #77938

    the tendency to overhype the vaccine dangers without solid information is counterproductive

    How about the tendency to underhype them? Isn’t that a much bigger factor?

    “your refusal to submit to this experiment is making the virus more deadly!”

    VanDen Bossche argues the exact opposite of that.

    #77939
    John Day
    Participant

    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/06/build-back-never.html
    Build Back Never has a picture of the gardener picking black-eyed peas Sunday morning, by the harvested bean patch, just replanted with winter squash and banana plants, including 2 dwarf Namwah (Hi V. Arnold)

    Note: “Build Back Better World” is now B3W Pepe Escobar has the NWO horse-race story:
    ​ ​As for the threats from China – South China Sea, Taiwan, the Indo-Pacific overall – it was up to the G7 to come up with a plan.
    ​ ​Enter “green”, “inclusive” Build Back Better World (B3W), billed as the Western “alternative” to the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI). B3W respects “our values” – which clownish British PM Boris Johnson could not help describing as building infrastructure in a more “gender neutral” or “feminine” way – and, further on down the road, will remove goods produced with forced labor (code for Xinjiang) from supply chains.
    ​ ​The White House has its own B3W spin: that’s a “values-driven, high-standard, and transparent infrastructure partnership” which will be “mobilizing private-sector capital in four areas of focus – climate, health and health security, digital technology, and gender equality – with catalytic investments from our respective development institutions”
    ​ ​The initial “catalytic investments” for BW3 were estimated at $100 billion. No one knows how these funds will be coming from the “development institutions”.
    ​ ​Seasoned Global South observers already bet they will be essentially provided by IMF/World Bank “green” loans tied to private sector investment in selected emerging markets, with an eye on profit.
    ​ ​The White House is adamant that “B3W will be global in scope, from Latin America and the Caribbean to Africa and the Indo-Pacific”. Note the blatant attempt to match BRI’s reach.
    ​ ​All these “green” resources and new logistic chains financed by what will be a variant of Central Banks showering helicopter money would ultimately benefit G7 members, certainly not China.
    ​ ​And the “protector” of these new “green” geostrategic corridors will be – who else? – NATO. That’s the natural consequence of the “global reach” emphasized on the NATO 2030 agenda.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-real-b3w-nato-agenda

    ​I personally think that none of these agendas will work well going forward, because all of the compensation mechanisms that modern industrial economy currently uses will decompensate at about the same time as oil prices spike above $100/bbl again, which impacts mining, shipping,farming, wages, profits, everything, Then even the Fed won’t be able to keep the Ponzi bubble blown.​ Confidence, meet Panic. (“Don’t Panic!”)

    The internet, like everything else in our lives, is not sustainable with a decrease in cheap energy, cheap mined ores and other natural resources.

    Letter #24

    Gail Tverberg, Our Finite World, Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong
    Summary: The economy is approaching near-term collapse, not peak oil. The result is quite different.
    ​ ​The modeling that comes closest to being correct is that which underlies the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth by Donella Meadows and others. This modeling was based on physical quantities of resources, with no financial system whatsoever. The base model, shown here, indicates that limits would be reached a few years later than we actually seem to be reaching them. The dotted black line in Figure 1 indicates where I saw the world economy to be in January 2019, based on the limits we already seemed to be reaching at that time.​
    (I think that line is ​drawn ​at 2010, myself.)

    Where Energy Modeling Goes Wrong

    #77940
    John Day
    Participant

    more: https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/06/build-back-never.html

    There are different global groups of elites, at war against each other, and the western elites are at war internally, too.​ I am on the side of complex living ecosystems.
    Have the Great Reset Technocrats Really Thought This Through? Evil: Between Depopulation & Neuralink
    ​ ​The only thing left to destroy in a world populated by elites alone, are other elites. It would seem that the desire to dominate others does not simply come to an end on its own.
    ​ ​With the UN World Food Program announcing that some 270 million people worldwide now face starvation, the ongoing debate about the real aims of the technocracy is profound. The question is whether their aim tends more towards major population reduction, or more towards a new type of slavery.
    ​ ​It appears that philosophical and long-term practical questions remain​s​ a mystery. We will argue that evil, not simply the influence of the base upon the superstructure, is at the core of this endeavor. We have defined evil as inflicting the highest degree of pain upon the greatest number of resisting subjects. In short, we have defined evil as sadism, inflicting evil because it brings satisfaction to those inflicting it.
    ​ ​Because evil is fundamentally a destructive force, it cannot create anything: nothing in it is truly novel nor of use to humanity. Its pleasures are short-lived and spurious. It is unsustainable, self-defeating, ultimately leading to self-destruction.
    [Lots of excellent facts and analysis.] …
    ​ ​For these reasons, it is likely that some elites have seen the problem in this end game. This would explain the inter-elite conflict which we have explored previously, and will return to in the near future.

    Have the Great Reset Technocrats Really Thought This Through? Evil: Between Depopulation & Neuralink

    ​CJ Hopkins, Manufacturing (New Normal) Reality
    ​ ​During the changeover from the old “reality” to the new “reality,” the society is torn apart. The old “reality” is being disassembled and the new one has not yet taken its place. It feels like madness, and, in a way, it is. For a time, the society is split in two, as the two “realities” battle it out for dominance. “Reality” being what it is (i.e., monolithic), this is a fight to the death. In the end, only one “reality” can prevail.
    ​ ​This is the crucial period for the totalitarian movement. It needs to negate the old “reality” in order to implement the new one, and it cannot do that with reason and facts, so it has to do it with fear and brute force. It needs to terrorize the majority of society into a state of mindless mass hysteria that can be turned against those resisting the new “reality.” It is not a matter of persuading or convincing people to accept the new “reality.” It’s more like how you drive a herd of cattle. You scare them enough to get them moving, then you steer them wherever you want them to go. The cattle do not know or understand where they are going. They are simply reacting to a physical stimulus. Facts and reason have nothing to do with it.​..​
    The pressure to conform to the new “reality” is already intense and it’s going to get worse as vaccination passes, public mask-wearing, periodic lockdowns, etc., become normalized. Those who don’t conform will be systematically demonized, socially and/or professionally ostracized, segregated, and otherwise punished. Our opinions will be censored. We will be “canceled,” deplatformed, demonitized, and otherwise silenced. Our views will be labeled “potentially harmful.” We will be accused of spreading “misinformation,” of being “far-right extremists,” “racists,” “anti-Semites,” “conspiracy theorists,” “anti-vaxxers,” “anti-global-capitalist violent domestic terrorists,” or just garden variety “sexual harassers,” or whatever they believe will damage us the most.
    T​his will happen in both the public and personal spheres. Not just governments, the media, and corporations, but your colleagues, friends, and family will do this. Strangers in shops and restaurants will do this. Most of them will not do it consciously. They will do it because your non-conformity represents an existential threat to them … a negation of their new “reality” and a reminder of the reality they surrendered in order to remain a “normal” person and avoid the punishments described above.
    ​ ​This is nothing new, of course. It is how “reality” is manufactured, not only in totalitarian systems, but in every organized social system. Those in power instrumentalize the masses to enforce conformity with their official ideology. Totalitarianism is just its most extreme and most dangerously paranoid and fanatical form.
    Manufacturing (New Normal) “Reality”

    ​COVID-Tracker Device Installs Itself​ Without User Consent, Including On Parental-Locked Devices
    ​…​Yeah, not creepy at all, right?
    ​I​t’s just an ap that tracks you and who you’ve been near, cross indexes you to external databases, and reports on contacts.
    ​T​hat claims to be anonymous, yet somehow knows everyone’s disease status.
    ​D​eveloped with google and apple but claiming not to share data with them.
    ​T​hat ghost installs itself automatically on your phone.​ ​without your request or permission.
    and that has no icon and cannot be opened or used or disabled.
    and that circumvents locked phones and parental controls.
    and re-installs itself even if you try to remove it.
    so, you know, like, what’s to worry about, ya know?
    https://boriquagato.substack.com/p/mass-electronic-surveillance

    ​When the enforcers leave, the regime topples. Usually, they have somewhere else to go.
    Group identity and loyalty matter a lot to humans in hard times.
    Entire Portland Police Rapid Response Team Resigns After Officer Indicted for Breaking Up Antifa Riot
    https://humanevents.com/2021/06/17/entire-portland-police-rapid-response-team-resigns-after-officer-indicted-for-breaking-up-antifa-riot/

    #77941
    oxymoron
    Participant

    From Germs Geert paper – ( basically saying it’s better to let nature take it’s course … yawn. Dr D – I too want to sit by a pure stream and catch fish and eat and lay with my woman in the warm sun but spiders make webs that catch us trying to fly free)

    Or don’t they realize that the type of immune priming following natural Sars-CoV-2 infection is very different from the one that results from prophylactic immunization with S-based vaccines? It is difficult to imagine they would not comprehend why under conditions of natural viral infection and transmission during a pandemic, the chances for freshly infected, immunologically naïve or previously infected subjects to become re-infected on a background of suboptimal S-specific Abs are much lower than for vaccinated people to become exposed to Sars-CoV-2 while not being armed with a high enough titer of full-fledged S-specific Abs.

    In other words, if molecular epidemiologists would only realize that immune selection pressure exerted by S-directed Abs occurs much less frequently during a natural pandemic than in the course of mass vaccination campaigns, they would probably figure among the best placed scientists on earth to warn against the high likelihood for this virus to evolve immune evasion and, ultimately, to resist vaccinal nAbs as a result of mass vaccination. At any rate, they all recognize the need for careful systematic surveillance of the ongoing evolutionary immune escape, which currently translates in an enhanced expansion of variants comprising mutations that further converge as they continue to adapt to rising population immunity in general and S-specific Abs in particular (1).

    #77942
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    In response to that CNN article from yesterday’s comment about the Delta Scariant, I looked at coronvirus graphs for all the “bad-boy” states WRT vaccination that the article listed, both new cases and deaths. I saw nothing that would have jumped out at me as something to be concerned about.

    #77943

    It sounds like “leaky” vaccines are a problem, as though a gain-of-function experiment is being perpetrated in real time. I question that these vaccines work at all, except to produce variants. Vaccinated people get the disease; vaccinated people get it bad and die. The disease was already waning when they came out (a usual disease/vaccine scenario). New variants always come along but are not as nasty as the predecessor (as per Ivor Cummins), or is it that GvB is correct?
    Or is Jon Rappoport correct: it’s all BS; it’s a marketing campaign; they’ve repurposed the flu.
    What cannot be denied is that these “vaccines” are killing and maiming people in intolerably large numbers.
    So why the desperate rush to stab everyone? (The poor WHO, saying now that children under 18 should not be vaccinated, finds countries don’t listen to them: boo-WHO!)
    How aggressive will we unvaccinated people be if the “vaccines” become mandatory? It’s the survival of the species at stake, right?
    A while back I wondered if it would be okay that the survivors of a mass die-off were the ones who caused it. A bottleneck that only the nastiest of humans will squeeze through…
    “No honor among thieves” isn’t going to comfort me.
    If what I have written here sounds confused, I have gotten my point across. I am confused.

    #77944
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Medically-created, targeted paramagetism aka SPIONS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_oxide_nanoparticle#Biomedical_applications

    But Germ is on it. Since it’s experimental, they don’t have to admit what’s in it. They can change each dose, put in Draino and not tell you. All perfectly legal.

    Since in theory they are pressured from the outside, is the sea of EM fields we’re basking in enough to cause the apparent magnetism we see? Both the earth, and your body, have an internal magnetic field. So these magnets can get “stronger” as they begin randomly and then begin to align out of chaos into a field like a ferrofluid, more or less exactly what it is. So…you think living inside a powerful foreign magnetic field forever might be disruptive to your body processes and health? Hmmmm. Nah: all good. Live in that MRI machine, I’m sure it’ll be fine.

    “Turkey’s Secret Plan to Invade Greece and Armenia”

    I talked about this back a bit, when monkey-face was talking New Ottoman Empire, but it’s like the least news-ever. EVERYBODY knows Turkey wants to invade and kill every Greek. That’s like the last thousand years. But since they have Europe’s largest army, the real question is: why haven’t they? And Armenia? I asked an Armenian about 1900, so? Fight back, don’t just get in the cattle cars. That’s what we have guns for, here in America. Buy them illegally if you have to, if you don’t want to die. They looked totally disoriented and confused. “Fight? You mean, not complain? Don’t be a victim as a core function of self-image? Huh?” I know they’re not all that bad and as I said the relative size is daunting. But Ireland destroyed England because they wouldn’t stop fighting. You can’t hold your happy colony if only you make it too expensive to bother. It’s like really, really simple. Am I making this up? We just got defeated by Afghanistan. Oh and guns don’t work? Really, was it Afghanistan’s cruise missiles and space force wut beat us? Or was it 40-year-old AKs on a goat?

    ” When the FBI Framed Four Innocent Men” https://technofog.substack.com/p/when-the-fbi-framed-four-innocent

    Yes, but this was “Tuesday”, and every other of all 365 days of the year, so… They should be so proud. At this point, if the FBI says it I just assume they’re innocent. RussiaRussiaRussia. In #OppositeLand, the police are the lawbreakers, and the people are innocent. They wiretap you without a warrant, everything they do, every dollar they spend is classified.

    ” Thermostats in Texas Homes Are Being Accessed Remotely and Turned Up Due to an Energy Shortage”

    You’re too stupid to set your own thermostat! Mommy will help you! Helping, helping, and checking your sock drawer too. Don’t worry: their software is so bad that –I– can access your home network and ruin your house. Turn on the furnace and watch your kids bake on the baby monitor. Haha. They can’t stop trusting known maniacs, fiends, and failures. Can’t stop giving them money to lose their rights, control over their own lives. “Why don’t somebody do something???” You mean like NOT giving them $5,000 and the keys to your house? Something like that? So. Hard.

    “The State Convinced People It Was Dangerous For Them Not To Be Watched, Now Many Believe Surveillance Tech Is “For Our Own Good”

    Yup. The only real crime is NOT being in prison. Prison is everywhere out there, the only freedom is in the system, being an insider.

    Speaking of, they’re talking about the chip shortage. WHY DO THINGS HAVE CHIPS? Make them without chips. As easy as NOT being dumb, doing nothing, “wu-wei.” Don’t put a chip in it, and it won’t break. Because there’s no chip. But darn it, then I can fix my car with a screwdriver, my fridge will last 50 years and who wants that? Progress! Totally green when nothing works. We throw that perfectly good car away because: no chips. Optional, totally unnecessary ABS module costs more than the whole car. And A/C? Two cars.

    “Julian Assange’s Continued Imprisonment Is a Test for Bitcoin’s Values (F.)”

    Is it uncensorable? Sort of, yes, same as Tide pods, silver, and $100 bills.(and guns) But since everyone who is lied to every minute of their born lives believes everything they’re told, they put all their BTC on the EXCHANGE instead of on the blockchain. That is, they had gold, then instead of trading it like free men, gave it all to Elon Musk and Goldman Sachs for safekeeping. “I trust you! Daddy loves meeeeee!!!!!” So the exchanges probably hypothecate (that is, make s—t up, counterfeit, steal, your words of choice) 300:1, 50,000:1 any actual bitcoin that exists. That is: they took something true, and made it all a lie. For a couple satoshis, not even 30 pieces. Those exchanges now set the PRICES – same scam as gold since 1971, where there’s no gold, only dollar prices – and like everywhere else on the planet, those market prices are FAKE. Totally made up, manipulated, false.

    …And they HAVE to be. In a fake system a single honest pricing market would tear it all apart and ruin every billionaire. EVERYONE wants fake. NO ONE wants true. You have the whole PLANET against any single honest word or price.

    And so in Bitcoin.

    So you COULD – though nobody does – transact on the Blockchain like you’re supposed to. But even then, the PRICE is set by the ESF and Sachs. But rigging takes real ammunition, just like rigging gold did. Even at 300, 1,000:1, or as many exchanges, notably recent ones in Canada, infinite, since they own NOTHING. So the price goes up because the ammunition – a couple BTC that can be spun like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice into thousands – is still actually scarce. They can’t fraud fast enough.

    And everyone loves the fraud. They’re happy as clams as the illegality, lies spread, and the old system eats the new la meme chose.

    Hey, I’m just telling you. You could have made $700 to $60,000. You still can. You can make it or not make it, eat or not eat. And they ARE shutting off banking as a first-resort go-to, what used to be the last-resort nuclear option. They’re using it every day, not just on real dangers like Wikileaks and Iran, but on Joe’s fork-truck-driver said something on YouTube, so let’s debank him for the lols. The reason can be fake as h—l. The faker the better. Fork-truck guy posted a meme that was Nancy Pelosi slowed down .25. Honest. I think it was CNN who doxed him and got him fired. Defending the little guy. So proud. So my point is, you’re going to need this. There’s nobody they won’t doxx, take offense at, make up lies about, and destroy. The point of power is POWER. Grinding people is its own joy, its own reward. The more innocent they are, the better it feels. You’re Next. Heck, if you look around, it’s you already, long since. Bitcoin is the Real Occupy. It doesn’t do everything, but it does some things.

    “to get the vaxxed even more angry toward the non-vaxxed–“your refusal to submit to this experiment is making the virus more deadly!”

    Yes, this is exactly the plan and path already. Who’s going to take out the millions of resisters? Well the other hoi-polloi of course! There’s only like 100 of us on top, there’s no way WE can do it. We just tell lies and watch you all kill each other. Hahaha! So fun! I could watch you idiots kill each other all day! Like any Zombie movie we’ve funded for 25 years. “Dey ain’t human I tells ya!” “Dey’s teh REDS.” So. Tired. Same thing every day. Same magic trick: “Look my thumb comes off”, works every day against men and women of extreme old age. Peekaboo!

    $100 billion. No one knows how these funds will be coming from the “development institutions”.

    Sure we do: they print money FROM the taxpayer—the poorest—and give them TO all our insider friends. That’s it. The whole scam. Not complicated at all.

    ““values-driven, high-standard, and transparent infrastructure partnership” If you hear language like this, it’s a con. Literally could not be easier.

    The modeling that comes closest to being correct is that which underlies the 1972 book, The Limits to Growth”

    I showed that before, where they printed out some straight-line projections on a dot-matrix and Wow! Everyone believed them. ‘Cause: Computer! High Priest of Progress on the Mountain! How about this: they WANT to do this, WANT “Limits to Growth” because scarcity causes high prices. “Competition is a Sin” — JD Rockefeller. If we find 50 years worth of oil like Cuba or Iran, we lock it up. If food comes online, we buy up the land and prevent it. If gold mines are found, they become national parks. If patents are created, we destroy them.

    C’mon, we’re creating a stage set here and you’re ruining it by pointing out it’s not the 40s with fedora hats and Packards, and outside the theatre 100 years of research has happened and we have real sci-fi. …And like the Hunger Games, WE have the sci-fi. Not you. You mine the coal with an axe. How else can we maintain control? If you had UFOs wouldn’t you zip over to Gate’s house and drop a watermelon on his roof? Who’d be safe then, with equality of power? We have to have “Limits to Growth”. It’s what keeps prices high and us in charge. The easiest scam to pull (in intel) is to make them see what they already believe.

    Am I kidding? Since I can triple food production in no time, with no effort, with no brains but what we’ve done for 1,000 years, I don’t think so. Does Iran’s oil not exist? Does Russia’s? I don’t think so. We’re KEEPING IT FROM YOU. I’m not going to believe after 100 years, we’re still using engines the same as 1880, and jet technology 100 years old.

    Knock it off. I mean, who buys this s–t?

    #77945
    absolute galore
    Participant

    Raul quoted me:

    the tendency to overhype the vaccine dangers without solid information is counterproductive
    And responded:
    How about the tendency to underhype them? Isn’t that a much bigger factor?

    Two lies don’t make a truth. Especially when you are in the minority, going up against a mass media that is essentially a marketing arm for governments and big pharma, you must be very careful of hyperbole. As an analogy, it is the reason minorities must be a cut above in their comportment to have any chance of advancing in many business situations. To even have a shot at breaking through and getting across potentially life-saving information, the counter info must be as airtight as possible. Just is what it is right now.

    “your refusal to submit to this experiment is making the virus more deadly!”

    VanDen Bossche argues the exact opposite of that.

    Right. I was making up a quote expressing the illogical stance of your vaxxed individual.

    From what I can tell wading partway into Bossche, the problem arises mostly when people who are only partially vaccinated and have not yet developed a full immune response, come down with Covid. Also those vaxxed who have asymptomatic cases and shed. This leads to mutations that adapt to the single spike protein focus of the mRNA vaccines. Though I admit I may have it wrong. He needs Gail Tverberg to summarize in a couple of paragraphs with a chart or two.

    #77946
    WES
    Participant

    It is an interesting part of herds of people that politicians, who have no experience building anything, run around mouthing off fancy slogans, like B3W, how they are going to build something grand and glorious!

    Building anything takes planning, determination, scarce resources, and follow through effort over a great time span. In other words building anything is hard work! The very qualities most politicians lack!

    Most politicians only know how to destroy what has already been built by others!

    #77947
    absolute galore
    Participant

    ” Thermostats in Texas Homes Are Being Accessed Remotely and Turned Up Due to an Energy Shortage”

    Just another example of the technosphere being forced on us. I’ve been writing a weekly column for my local paper. Trying to subliminally bring these types of things to the paper’s readers. Here is an excerpt from last week’s column. It relates to the pressure being exerted to sign up for E-Zpass.

    Beaconomics column

    “Progress” Takes Its Toll
    Driving home with my brand new used car last fall, I experienced a moment of panic approaching the Newburgh Beacon Bridge toll plaza, as I suddenly remembered that the electric windows didn’t work. Good for security when parked, bad for handing over cash to the toll collector.
    Outside the box thinker that I am, as I rolled up it occurred to me that if I left a bit of room between my car and the toll booth, I could still open the door to hand over my fee for crossing the river.
    Yes, I’m an anti-E-ZPasser. (E-ZPass denier?) No particular reason, other than the mildly satisfying if futile resistance to another tentacle reaching for me from the blind yet all-seeing, omnipresent technosphere. Plus, I like exchanging pleasantries with the men and women who collect the tolls.

    Occupational hazards
    Can you imagine saying Hi, Thank you, Have a great day, eight hundred times a day? Talk about repetitive stress injuries. Yet not once over the years did I encounter anyone who felt it necessary to express a bad day vibe. Even the time I spent a couple of minutes frantically wedging my hand into the seats looking for change, the attitude was one of friendly patience. Ultimately I had to hand over my license and pull into the adjacent parking lot, then go into the administrative building to have the toll charged to my debit card.
    A few times I’ve arrived at the booth only to have the attendant wave me through, with the explanation that the stranger in the car ahead of me has paid my way. The last time it happened, I paused, then asked the toll collector to take the money in my already outstretched hand for the car behind me. He said No man, it’s okay, you go ahead, and I understood that he was telling me the universe does not look favorably upon paying it forward so directly. You need to fully accept the gift first.
    Sadly, the toll ritual will be coming to an end sometime in July, as the New York Bridge Authority phases out cash tolls on all the Hudson River crossings. Now if you don’t have E-ZPass there will be cameras that take a photo of your license and the computer it’s hooked into generates a bill and mails it out.

    Can’t have one without the other
    I asked a toll booth collector where she would be going. Unemployment, she answered. The toll collectors have a union, but it’s the Bridge Authority, and all the bridges are going toll-less. Some were being re-assigned temporarily to the Mid Hudson Bridge, but that won’t last long.
    When people find out I don’t have E-ZPass the reaction is generally Why not? You do know it’s cheaper, right? Ah, but if there weren’t stubborn people like me, it wouldn’t be, now would it? As my 11-year-old is always saying, You’re welcome. (He says this despite nobody having said Thank you.)

    Expensive complications

    As it turns out, non-working windows are not so uncommon. This week it happened twice that the driver directly in front of me opened the door to pay. Maybe it’s because electric windows can be expensive to fix. I like my windows like I like my transmissions—manual. Don’t get me started on those side mirror button controls. I suppose they are necessary for when your electric windows won’t go down….

    and on and so forth. It’s actually a bit of a long form column, averaging almost 1800 words a week! I need to use more photos.

    #77948
    absolute galore
    Participant

    null

    #77949
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    @ absolute: I can see where you’re coming from with the statement “to overhype the vaccine dangers without solid information is counterproductive”. But I’m not sure I understand what constitutes “over hype” considering many experts in the scientific/medical field are expressly stating the potential problems based on their knowledge and also citing studies that back up their concerns. And while it’s true that “two lies don’t make a truth”, the big problem at this point is that millions of people are being injected with a substance that has obvious immediate and short-term serious adverse effects, and of which the long-term effects are completely unknown and cannot be known at this time. So is it “over hype” for people to be shouting this concern as loudly as possible in the attempt to stop the experiment until accurate data is gathered and reviewed by independent parties? Is it over hype to scream bloody murder now that they’ve begun injecting children??

    #77950
    zerosum
    Participant

    You decide, underhype – overhype
    TAE finds the data for your evaluation

    Vaccines working as expected/planned

    The USA democracy is exceptional

    Stories like these in many countries. • UK Crony Capitalism: They Didn’t Want To Reveal These Names

    ———–

    …. I am on the side of complex living ecosystems.

    …. vaccines work at producing variants.

    …. it’s better to let nature take it’s course

    …. CJ Hopkins, Manufacturing (New Normal) Reality
    ​ ​During the changeover from the old “reality” to the new “reality,” the society is torn apart.

    …. We and our social, economic structures are a minority in the complex ecosystems of life.

    ….. A while back I wondered if it would be okay that the survivors of a mass die-off were the ones who caused it. A bottleneck that only the nastiest of humans will squeeze through…

    …. It’s like really, really simple…. too expensive to bother

    … the only freedom is in the system, being an insider.

    ….. The easiest scam to pull (in intel) is to make them see what they already believe.

    #77951
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    I left out one important “over hype” question: Is it over hype when we are horrified by the dozens of new mRNA vaccines that are now in the vaccine development pipeline? (i.e., flu vaccines, which a good portion of people receive annually). I’m not sure what constitutes over hype when it comes to this madness. I”m open to a definition, though.

    #77952
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @absolute galore

    I know no one who has died of covid and my father and i may be the only people i know who have had covid

    Also

    I know no one who has had an adverse reaction to covid

    I do know that most of what i’ve been told since 2001 is a lie and i fee as though i’m being lied to now= no vaccine for me. I also know that anytime i’m told i “must” do something i’m immediately suspicious, especially if a good argument is not offered to do said something. Based on the argument being made, i’ll take my chances.

    #77953
    Mr. House
    Participant

    *adverse reaction to covid jabs

    #77954
    Noirette
    Participant

    Link (‘hype’ type, everyone is a spy, etc.) lists the pathogens sent by Dr. Qiu from the 4-level lab in Winnipeg to the Wuhan lab in March 2019, following a FOIA-type request in Canada.

    *Backstory.* Dr. Qiu, her husband, and two students (one doctoral, other idk) were escorted out of the lab in Winnipeg in July 2019, and fired.

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/canadian-scientists-national-microbiology-laboratory-1.5904035

    the site is ‘Great Game India’ (idk..)

    https://bit.ly/35J07Ix

    from GGIndia. Quotes:

    The shipment was routed from Winnipeg to Toronto and then to Beijing on a commercial Air Canada flight on Mar. 31, 2019.

    The ATIP documents list the contents of the shipment including two vials each of 15 strains of virus (about 15 ml):

    Ebola Makona (three different varieties)
    Mayinga
    Kikwit
    Ivory Coast
    Bundibugyo
    Sudan Boniface
    Sudan Gulu
    MA-Ebov
    GP-Ebov
    GP-Sudan
    Hendra
    Nipah Malaysia
    Nipah Bangladesh

    ————————————-

    Well when one gets into details like this, it is no wonder that lab ‘accidents’ happen. Except, maybe they aren’t in the lab / or close by it (waste water, pateient zero wanders out, etc.)

    #77955
    zerosum
    Participant

    Capitalism at is best
    modern art – Hunter Biden

    #77956
    zerosum
    Participant

    Capitalism at its best
    Airports are also getting $8 billion in Grants

    #77957
    Noirette
    Participant

    my post about Dr. Qui was maybe ‘old news’ .. .. I revisited that today…what’s up now?

    Here from 21 June 2021, UK Gvmt. Agency website.

    Well well well. Out in the open now, an alliance between private corp. ‘social media’ and ‘Gov’.

    Press release:

    Leading social media platforms unite to support COVID-19 vaccine drive

    Snapchat, Reddit, TikTok and YouTube have partnered with the government to encourage users to get the vaccine.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/leading-social-media-platforms-unite-to-support-covid-19-vaccine-drive

    Things are moving forward very swiftly, it is almost like it was … planned with check points on a calendar.

    #77958
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @Mr. House: Just from talking to people about who they know who has had Covid, it seems like all of them have gotten over like a case of the flu and didn’t need to go into the hospital or anything. My best friend from the good old daze in the Wisconsin smallish town is the only one I know of who had to be hospitalized, and he is over 50, overweight, has never been very good at taking care of his health, and also has a lung disorder known as sarcoidosis that doctors don’t know how or why people get. I’m glad Dr. Kory was at least able to change the medical profression’s mind about treating severe Covid cases with steroids, because dexamethasone may have saved the best friend’s life.

    #77959
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    So many potential extinction events to choose from: climate change, economic collapse and related hardship, covid +- vaccine, wars to end all wars. Zach Bush adds glyphosate to the mix. Apparently it is in everything at this point (the air, water, soil, food).

    Glyphosate + Toxins

    #77960
    WES
    Participant

    There are “unconfirmed rumors” that the J & J vaccine is being pulled from the market.

    The WHO “suddenly” saying children should not get vaccinated (while also saying children should continue to get vaccinated), is very suspicious! Why the sudden “narrative” shift?

    Are we getting a “new reality” manufactured for us???

    I will bet next we will see the media suddenly giving Trump credit, instead of joe, for the vaccines!

    Maybe we are being softened up for the media spewing “vaccines bad” narrative? Just like “Oramge Man Bad”!

    #77961
    Germ
    Participant

    The vaccine was not brought in for Covid.
    Covid was brought in for the vaccine.

    Once you realise that everything else makes sense.

    Reiner Fullmich

    #77962
    BoomerDoomer2
    Participant

    re: Geert Vanden Bosscha’s latest

    When I link through Safari to the article, the article appears momentarily and then is replaced by this message: “Content cannot be displayed.” I am able to link to it and have it stay up with my Brave browser. Perhaps it’s the result of my Safari browser not being up to date… Or perhaps something more nefarious…

    #77964
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #77965
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I have been wondering about this magnetic thing with vaccinated folks. Is it the manifestation of an attempt by the vaccine manufacturers to keep the vaccine near the injection site? Is there any correlation between incidence/severity of vaccine reactions and whether or not a vaccinee has a magnetic spot near the injection site? Is this magnetofaction stuff a part of the vaccine cocktail that is proprietary company knowledge, and therefore not shared publicly? Is there any health related significance to having a magnetic spot in one’s body?

    Maybe if I buy a couple of neodymium magnets and give them to my kids they’ll try this experiment out on their vaccinated step-siblings at their dad’s house. I can’t quite bring myself to ask to try it out on vaccinated clients or friends at the nearby retirement community…they already find my vaccine refusal a little odd.

    Regarding Van der Bossche, I suppose if the second vaccine really isn’t necessary, that vaccinees develop mature Abs faster than he is hypothesizing. (Which doesn’t disprove what he is saying, it merely affects the timeline.). Also, he appears flummoxed as to why so many public health experts are pushing mass vaccination and flirting with boosters against variants…I have a simple explanation. Public officials’ means to wealth is by following the bidding of the industries they regulate. The corporate charters of these industries declare that their “prime directive’ is to increase shareholder profit. From the perspective of Big Pharma, the goal is not to stop or wipe out the pandemic, the goal is to milk the pandemic for as much profit as they can cram into their coffers before it fizzles out. Delaying the end of the pandemic, or vaccines that ultimately prolong the pandemic, (or suppressing treatments that do not generate shareholder profit,) serves to increase the profits of Big Pharma.

    (Occam’s razor is a beautiful thing.)

    #77966
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Yes it is a problem to overhype. And I’m arguably overhype central. The problem is, when everything is false, reverses every other day, what is “hype”? You need to have a mild sense of the truth to estimate where “hype” begins. In a world where we see news like this — for the last 20 years, and where we’re running out of conspiracy theories because they’re all true — like wiretaps and Lab leaks — where everythign said in schools, news, by families, on Wikipedia or Webster’s are all lies, it beggars the question “what is hype”.

    Hype just means “A little further on than my present views.” Even as, with most of us, what’s normal, accepted Overton now was frothing straitjacket stuff only a few years ago. Yes, it’s difficult to know. We may be overhyping as much as under. But we do our best, and mostly IDENTIFY. What? The Truth. How? Because HYPE is pushed using very specific words, emotions, and hard sells. Truth as usual has no friends or bodyguards, no defenders, and speaks quietly in cautious, qualified tones.

    So those that ask questions are the Truth. Those that deny questions are the false, the hype. Actually super-easy. They don’t have to be right, they just have to be genuine, with integrity. We know which is which transparently right now.

    While I do hype, my point is to ask questions, get ideas, get outside of the Overton norms, and like wiretaps, Covid death rates, and back through “Weapons of Mass destruction and ties to Al-queda” ‘Mushroom clouds” while Brian Williams and HRC are being shot at by Russian snipers on the moon, like 80% of what I ask, or hype, eventually turns out to be true.

    Was there a tech bubble? Was subprime contained? Did the market crash? Did they foreclose every house, bail out every billionaire, and give it to them? Did a black — said to be Muslim — President drone 7 black and brown nations, starting with Egypt on Day 1? Was that all a scam, unfounded? Was the military budget blacked out to the tune of $40 trillion? Was that money in projects like underground we still deny? Did we have an SR-71? Do we have a space plane? Was Clapper wiretapping all Americans? Was Snowden right? Was the Syrian attack fake? Did mass shootings go up 50-fold the day of Biden’s inauguration? Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes. Yesyesyesyesyesyesyes. All of those hyped, frothing conspiracy theories were totally true. So, so obvious, decades before admitted. Just like now. And everybody knew: all reporters, all ministers, every trader, repairman and contractor. Just like now.

    I’ll be right this time too, also so, so painfully obvious, but like I said last week, like the ’08 Crash, it WILL be as bad as we say, and it also WON’T be as bad as the headlines would make it seem. Whole revolutions happen while people still get up, go to work. Italy didn’t blink a sec, not the slightest notice while Europe — Serbia — was being shelled and snipered non-stop for years. 50 miles away. By the Americans. You could take a canoe.

    Your point is totally, totally true. And important, to be heard. To change minds. But what’s “hype” when both those things can happen at the same time, year after year?

    #77967
    zerosum
    Participant

    Prepare for this “modelled reality”

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/975909/S1182_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_modelling_of_easing_roadmap_step_2_restrictions.pdf
    SPI-M-O: Summary of further modelling of easing
    restrictions – Roadmap Step 2
    Date: 31st March 2021

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/spi-m-o-summary-of-further-modelling-of-easing-restrictions-roadmap-step-2-31-march-2021
    This paper should be read alongside the accompanying modelling papers from SAGE 85:

    Imperial College London: Evaluating England’s Roadmap out of Lockdown, 30 March 2021

    University of Warwick: Road Map Scenarios and Sensitivity, 29 March 2021

    LSHTM: Interim roadmap assessment: prior to Step 2, 31 March 2021

    This updates earlier SPI-M-O statements on modelling on easing restrictions, that was tabled at SAGE 81 on 18 February 2021.

    Third COVID Wave Will Kill Or Hospitalize 60 To 70% People Who Took Both The Vaccine Doses Says Official UK Govt Model


    Third COVID Wave Will Kill Or Hospitalize 60 To 70% People Who Took Both The Vaccine Doses Says Official UK Govt Model
    As soon as the model was made public Fact-checkers tried to debunk and downplay the fact that 60 -70% of those who took 2 doses on the vaccines will dominate the third wave.

    https://fullfact.org/online/third-wave-model-vaccine/
    The government hasn’t said the vaccine will cause a third wave of deaths
    16 APRIL 2021
    By Grace Rahman
    Modelling suggests that when a third wave occurs, hospitalisations and deaths will mostly be in those who’ve been vaccinated. This is because so many vulnerable people will have been vaccinated by then, not because the vaccine is harming them.

    The person recording the video can be heard saying: “People need to read this: ‘The resurgence in both hospitalisations and deaths is dominated by those that have received two doses,’ read it, ‘of the vaccine, comprising around 60% and 70%’. So what they’re saying here is that the vaccine doesn’t work

    But an important piece of context follows, which is not mentioned in the video. The document then says: “This can be attributed to the high levels of uptake in the most at-risk age groups, such that immunisation failures account for more serious illness than unvaccinated individuals.”

    #77968
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    @ Dr. D


    They can change each dose, put in Draino and not tell you. All perfectly legal.

    Funny. It already works kind of like Draino

    #77969
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    Hrm…
    I don’t see why we couldn’t maintain a more low-key, peer-to-peer internet despite lower energy.

    Desktop and laptop computers for most users have not needed to increase in computing power much at all in the last decade. It only takes so many resources to check email, browse the web, view and print PDFs and write a letter. Efficiency is up. Despite “planned obsolescence” my observation over the last 15 years doing break/fix work in IT is that our personal computing devices are actually more stable and lasting longer than they used to do. Most replacements happen because of envy for a new item, fear that something is breaking because it is old (when there is no indication of that happening,) new programs that are not backwards compatible (common with Android/iOS,) or frustration with slowness caused by junk programs that could be removed — the user believing that the slowness is caused by age, not junk software.

    IMHO, the IoT is (mostly) a ridiculous waste of time and resources. I don’t want my appliances spying on me, and in most cases I prefer to simply get up and flip a light switch rather than using my phone or voice activated house computer to do it for me. (Perhaps I would change my tune if I didn’t know that house computer was also serving as a permanent “bug” spying on me 24/7.). Is WiFi radio frequency less detrimental than having wires around me creating low level magnetic fields? I have no idea. But all these devices with built in WiFi certainly require more power than those not utilizing WiFi. (My brother gave my mom WiFi controlled light bulbs for Mother’s Day. They require WPA3 encryption. I’m going to have to reset up their wireless network from scratch, just so she can use the gift my brother gave her.,,of something she had no interest in getting for herself. Ridiculous.)

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