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    Rembrandt van Rijn The Adoration of the Magi 1634   • Conflict of Interest in WHO Recommendation Against Ivermectin (TSN) • Evidence of Antibody
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle June 29 2021]

    #78534
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Today in Australia – Vaccinees now have indemnity for any adverse reactions related to Astra Zeneca, as long as it is through a GP who will give informed risks – (what info I don’t know).
    Is this going to cripple the Govt.? I think it will get very hard in the long term to prove adverse reactions but in the short term it is good news for people getting jabbed.

    #78535
    oxymoron
    Participant

    If you look closely little old Satan is hidden in the data
    Pfizer did not even use the commercial vaccine (BNT162b2) but instead relied on a “surrogate” mRNA producing the luciferase protein.

    Now I’m a fully fledged tin-hat wearing ‘spiracy nut.

    #78536
    Germ
    Participant
    #78537
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Shit – correction – GP’s are indemnified.

    #78538

    I understand that Nature yesterday published an article, and the NYT commented on it, and Health Day comments on that:

    Pfizer, Moderna Vaccines May Stand Guard Against COVID for Years

    My first thought was that if the mRNA vaxx protect for years, that must mean they induce the production of Spike proteins for years. But that’s not what this appears to say:

    immune cells that recognize the virus lingered in bone marrow for at least eight months after COVID-19 infection. Another team found that memory B-cells continue to mature and strengthen for at least a year after infection, the Times reported.

    Those findings suggested that immunity might last years, possibly a lifetime, in people who were infected and later vaccinated. But whether vaccination alone might demonstrate the same power was unclear.

    After an infection or a vaccination, a specialized structure called the germinal center forms in lymph nodes, the researchers explained. This structure is where B-cells are trained. After infection with the coronavirus, the germinal center forms in the lungs. But after vaccination, the cells’ education takes place in lymph nodes in the armpits, within reach of researchers.

    #78539
    absolute galore
    Participant

    From yesterday’s NYT Opinion page:

    Guest Essay
    Vaccine Mandates Are Coming. Good.
    June 28, 2021

    “……
    When the United States was fighting smallpox long ago, it took mandates to get enough people vaccinated. To eradicate polio, the same was true. Nearly all major infectious diseases in the country — measles, mumps, rubella, pertussis, diphtheria and more — have been managed through vaccine mandates by schools. The result is that the vast majority of children are vaccinated, and in time, they grow into adults who are vaccinated. That’s how the country achieves real herd immunity.

    But this process can take decades. Covid-19 is an emergency, and we don’t have that much time.

    The mRNA vaccines, made by Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech, will likely get full approval for use from the Food and Drug Administration soon, which may be necessary for broader vaccine mandates. Although the vaccines are already known to be safe and effective, after being given to hundreds of millions of people, with full approval, more groups will begin mandating that their employees get vaccinated. It’s unlikely the United States can overcome the pandemic without such actions….”

    Don’t worry, he says this does not mean they will hold you down–just take away your right to go most places. And hey, he’s fine with some medical and religious exceptions.

    I’m waiting for reports of the first stonings of the unvaxxed.

    If this was a disease that was causing 5% of the general working age population to drop dead, you can bet 99% would be in line to get vaccinated. But it’s not. And why, between all the people vaxxed and all the people previously infected and the apparently large percentage of the population not affected, don’t we have the mysterious “herd immunity?”

    Why are they discussing vaccinating every child and college student without discussing the actual dangers presented to these demographics by the disease itself? Oh, right, George Washington. And science.

    Let’s see the coverage of World Ivermectin Day. I like the idea, but man, the wall around the MSM is proving to be virtually impenetrable by facts.

    #78540
    John Day
    Participant

    https://www.johndayblog.com/2021/06/first-the.html
    36th wedding anniversary today and picture of Jenny at Yoakum homestead

    Biological Platforms,

    The Wellcome (Great) Leap (Forward) is a newly constituted civilianized medical DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Agency), managed by a recent DARPA director with strong interests in genetic engineering and human neural network management, as well as MEMS, microelectrical-mechanical systems, cellular level micro machines, which might be injectable. Monitoring a lot of human babies with wearable neurological sensors, through their first 1000 days, developing means to affect that neurological development, learning and decision making, is one of the projects. Developing gene specific treatments for each person requires knowing each person’s genetic code, which is almost assumed as a baseline to do good, by this largest medical “charitable trust” (with eugenicist background). Discovering the intricacies of human motivation to perform tasks, supposedly to treat depression, wants complete genetic and neural mapping of each human involved in this beneficial research into motivation-to-perform-tasks. One wonders if it might be used some day to control humans from afar with neural implants wired to centers of pleasure, pain, and activity-motivation. (People are already controlled with drugs, fear and violence, but maybe they don’t do their best work with such gross techniques.) Another branch of work is to grow human organs, and organ systems, and humal/electromechanical hybrid organ systems, with an eye to transplants, and also to drug testing on human-systems, without humans, without ethical considerations/constraints. This is pretty long, but I read it for you. Whitney Webb did the research work.
    A “Leap” toward Humanity’s Destruction
    The world’s richest medical research foundation, the Wellcome Trust, has teamed up with a pair of former DARPA directors who built Silicon Valley’s skunkworks to usher in an age of nightmarish surveillance, including for babies as young as three months old.

    A “Leap” toward Humanity’s Destruction

    On the side of not being controlled by infant-conversion into cyborgs by our elite owners…
    Charles Hugh Smith, America’s Social Order is Unraveling
    When there is no relief valve in a collapsing social order, the explosive pressure is eventually released in a Cultural Revolution that unleashes all the bottled-up frustrations on elites. These frustrations have no outlet politically because they’re threatening to the status quo and therefore suppressed at every turn.
    Put another way, if the pendulum is pushed to an extreme of exploitation, suppression and inequality, when it’s released, it will reach an equivalent extreme (minus a bit of friction) at the opposite end. That could be an unexpected but entirely foreseeable Cultural Revolution.
    Those who claim that can’t happen in America are safely outside the pressure cooker, protected by a delusional confidence that since I’m doing great, everyone is doing great. Since real political agency is no longer allowed, the pressure will find release outside the political system. The lobbyists will still be haunting the hallways of governance, but no one will care, for The falcon will no longer hear the falconer.
    (That is when they will jerk the systemic life support of the unruly, isn’t it?)
    https://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2021/06/americas-social-order-is-unraveling.html

    ​The British Military’s Dark Vision of the Future​
    If I may summarize this vision of 2050, it assumes the continuation of transnational global capitalism under the Rumsfeld-Cebrowski Doctrine​ https://www.voltairenet.org/article213164.html​ , which is being called completely into question as Belt-and-Road seems to be replacing Global War On Terror as the more accepted model. This vision is that masses of deprived humanity are bottled-up and tightly controlled in cities, with limited resources per capita, and all kinds of intrusive enforcement, such as envisioned above, as well as being torn by social divisions, so they can’t align against the owners.
    (This is not what I am working toward at the vegetarian-homestead in Yoakum, but all I have is this modest little project for a couple of empty-nesters.)
    ​https://medium.com/discourse/the-british-militarys-dark-vision-of-the-future-2155f67a9b71

    #78542
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Vaccines stand guard? They haven’t even got everyone on the first one before the very first, weakest variant wipes every vaccine and their hosts out. We didn’t even have TIME for VDB’s selective evolution to happen. First horse out the gate kills. Just liek 10 years of research proved.

    Day 200 of “Vaccines don’t work”. No one notices. They fight to the death.

    “I’m waiting for reports of the first stonings of the unvaxxed.”

    They shot and stabbed people who didn’t mask, does that count? Speaking of shooting people:

    “”Just Another Summer Weekend of Mayhem”: 77 Shot in Chicago as Understaffed PD Braces for July 4th”

    Black Lives Don’t Matter. No interest, no coverage, no marches. They’re perfectly happy. Chief, Mayor, right up to the President. Everything good here!

    How many were registered? How many with an AR? I won’t even look: Zero. Prove me wrong. How many in Laramie and Haskell, Arkansas? Zero. But it’s their fault, those mean rural people who have no gun crime: get ‘em! They made Chicago do it with their stupid hats. Remove their rights! So we in Chicago and the 12 cities can keep shooting 77 a day in gun-free zones for another 100 years.
    https://nypost.com/2021/06/21/couple-ambushed-shot-outside-car-in-middle-of-chicago-street/

    Day 174 the FBI has no idea who planted the bombs on 100 cameras in D.C., nor have any idea who opened the KYC Coinbase account for the Colonial Pipeline. American Heroes. Stunning and Brave. Now why do we get suspicious? Just because 0% of white-collar crimes are arrested and 100% of mass crimes the FBI interviewed them ahead of time, even according to the NY Times? Huh. Honest mistake I’m sure.

    Entire article on LYING. https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/the-books-are-already-burning

    Baris Weiss (NY Times) discusses the ACLU, aka “book-burning central” “Fahrenheit 451”, and the Left (unfortunately) that all privately write “Keep fighting! We all agree!” while also saying, as yesterday’s scientists “We all know it’s totally irrational, illogical, illegal, immoral, and violent, but I just CAN’T tell the truth and admit 95% of us Leftists ALSO agree with you.” Presidential campaigners, Professors, Doctors, I just CAN’T tell the truth – ever – but must live in fear because: smaller house and car, you understand! No Peloton and scuba vacations!

    So 5% of the nation bullies 95% who DO NOTHING. Good men do nothing. Daddy, tell me about Germany again? Tell me about the USSR where the Great Leader told families to snitch on each other, where the slightest variation in belief was “Domestic terrorism” punished violently, outside the law, using the paid psychological industry, just as Joe NeoLib says yesterday not only 75M Trump voters, not only anyone who believes in Federal Law, but also all SOCIALISTS are domestic terrorists. (And people who AREN’T religious for some reason, although they act the opposite. Was going to go into the quote but, open mouth: all lies, why bother?)

    “The fear these silent supporters express is rational. Even the most ordinary comments can get you branded as persona non grata, some flavor of ‘phobe’ or ‘ist.’ Hardly a week goes by without a story of some professor being reprimanded, a starlet losing a job, or a young reality TV figure abjectly apologizing for something he said that was completely obvious and true. Others have faced more profound threats — parents to the custody of their children, journalists and even editors of scientific journals to their physical safety. People I respect have lost livelihoods and marriages.

    And so, for over a year, I responded to those silent supporters with thanks and reassurance. You don’t have to speak out, just send me your documents — I will expose it for you. No need to stand up for me publicly, just tell me what you know. For a while, this seemed a decent bargain.

    But then, a few months ago, … The standard response didn’t cut it this time. I wrote back as politely as I could: That’s just not good enough. You are a doctor. We aren’t the same with regard to medical scandals. I can continue to seek and publish the truth. I can interview experts and report what they’ve said. But you can appeal to your own authority. You took a Hippocratic oath…”

    But that means nothing. Life, death, their sacred oath, their honor, logic, truth, reality, mean nothing. Only fear. And I’m supposed to support raw, craven cowardice? Reckless disregard for human life that leads to mass incarcerations and deaths everywhere? Cowardice is a vice for reason, you know. Life ends if you succumb to it.

    “what keeps them from speaking up in the face of what they know is wrong is fear. Fear not primarily of unemployment, though that is a pressing concern, but fear of ostracism.”

    Oh noes. Ostracism of violent liars, thieves, and craven cowards. How will I survive without the constant approval of felons and the mentally ill? “The pain is real” she says, as I said yesterday. However tiny a microaggression if it’s the first time you’ve lifted a finger, eaten solid food, taken a step toward being an adult, it IS hard. The pain is just as real as for any general or Assange lifting far more. But you just have to do it. Maturity is nothing people want, but it’s part of the implicate order that is the basis of the universe.

    Evil works against that, the “Implicate Order,” the “Logos,” the “Tao”. That’s why it’s “evil.”

    Book-burning ACLU defending BLM members burning more black blocks than the KKK, claiming to be the goodies? Evil. And it’s not that hard to tell. If you’re on the side of billionaires and MN Corporations, the FBI, government, the side of burning, wrecking, accusing, with rules that say “everything I do is good by definition, by any means necessary, regardless how harmful or wrong”, if it’s the broad and easy way…pretty sure it’s going to be evil. Good will be hard and narrow, hidden, uncertain, unpraised work.

    From Day’s link, Smith keeps stating the needed obvious. https://www.oftwominds.com/blogjune21/expedient-saves6-21.html

    “Greece Offers Youngsters 150 Euros to Get Vaccinated (K.)”

    Why doesn’t Greece offer cash to drink Coke or buy Exxon? A: they do. Fascism is worldwide.

    Why Giuliani’s Suspension Should Worry All Lawyers (Turley)”

    Why not? We’ve already thrown out 1,000 years of law in the Magna Charta, and lawyer-client privilege. McCarthy and the Red Scare got nothing on us. So. Proud.

    “Defense stocks took off like a rocket when Biden was elected, now up 40%.”

    Stunning and Brave. Our President. The one who now says BOTH Trump voters AND Progressives are Domestic Terrorists. …Thus where they plan to drop the 40% bombs shortly. On Jimmy Dore, Aaron Mate, Lee Camp, and now probably Jon Stewart. AOC got on the right side of history and is Pelosi’s adopted daughter now, a 3-way love child with John McCain and Ted Cruz. They fight for YOU by having no $15/hr, NO M4A, and pro-corporation, pro-war as far as the eye can see. But she got that tax break for the student loan forgiveness you’ll never actually get, so you got that goin’ for ya.

    What was I saying? Fascism is worldwide. That’s what happens when a Protected, Private Monopoly on money combines with government to print $1 Trillion a night for the world’s richest and can’t give a second check for $400 for the lowest people who lost 25% of income due to the same said private, protected monopoly paid entirely by government…this time the medical ones.

    Freedom! Capitalism! Ain’t it grand?

    #78543
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    Slovakia botched its share of production runs for Russia’s Sputnik covid vaccine. That may have something to do with its embrace of Ivermectin.

    #78544
    zerosum
    Participant

    Time to Recalculate
    I figured out something.

    Different people figured out different thing from the same info.
    Some call it “D”, Some call it “C”
    Some People get angry if they are told that they are wrong.
    I’ll keep the peace by calling it “I” and not tell anyone.
    (The answer is hidden at TAE)
    ———-

    #78545
    madamski cafone
    Participant

    A wee detail, mildly diabolical, from the USNews article titled Pfizer, Moderna Vaccines May Stand Guard Against COVID for Years:

    “Those findings suggested that immunity might last years, possibly a lifetime, in people who were infected and later vaccinated. But whether vaccination alone might demonstrate the same power was unclear.”

    So if you survived covid and then get the mRna vakzine, you may never get sick from it again. Am I reading that right? Also, having previously been infected, the body’s immune system has already been somewhat primed to recognize covid, I would think.

    It’s too early for me to tell: am I confused or is this more self-contradicting via vague obfuscation, the new standard in medical journalism?

    #78546
    zerosum
    Participant

    Triple-Digit Heat Dome Bakes Pacific Northwest,

    Weather forecasters cannot see over the border.

    The border divides the heat dome.

    #78547
    zerosum
    Participant

    Triple-Digit Heat Dome Bakes Pacific Northwest, and will lower the covid numbers to double-digit

    #78548
    zerosum
    Participant

    There goes my raspberries
    Its not inflation.
    Its the Heat Dome causing food shortage.

    #78549
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Couple of things – firstly, John Day – love that avocado action! Here in central Victoria Australia we get from -4 to 45 c. The avocados I discovered can handle the cold – bacon, hass, fuerte and rincorn varieties BUT the bark cannot handle full sun in bone dry heat on that bark. When I try again in the next year or two I will whitewash the bark and mulch heavily!
    secondly – absolute galore, stoning the unvaxxed is getting so close I am about to start engineering lies to cover my arse in the short terms and hope that pilots falling from the skies bring some ‘review’.
    third – anyone else here starting to move from bewildered to nervous?

    #78550
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Dr D. We are gonna need more of those courage sermons my friend – get a bunch ready and primed.
    Shit is fan-hitting everywhere and people are staring at the frikken ground like that’s gunna help. Although I guess it is where Ivermectin was hiding so maybe we should all be dirt-worshippers after all.

    #78551
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Although I guess it is where Ivermectin was hiding so maybe we should all be dirt-worshippers after all.

    Interestingly enough, the molecule upon which Ivermectin is based can be found only in the soil of Japan.

    #78552
    absolute galore
    Participant

    “Those findings suggested that immunity might last years, possibly a lifetime, in people who were infected and later vaccinated. But whether vaccination alone might demonstrate the same power was unclear.”

    Jumped out for me as well. I suspect they just can’t admit out loud that “God’s vaccination” alone will keep you good for many years. If the vaccination alone does not “demonstrate the same power” then either natural immunity is responsible for the many years of protection, or somehow the combo offers this long-lasting protection.

    In other words: BAU, obfuscation central

    #78553
    Noirette
    Participant

    Other thread. madamski wrote:

    — While I can’t certify that Putin is hysteria-free, his ordering a distrustful populace to trust him on this is the kind of gamble a person like Vlad doesn’t take unless there’s an urgent need and/or the odds are in his favor. SO I still think there’s more to this than standard government incompetence. —

    I agree, yes, my musings were very general, the world has gone bonkers, hardly flash news, but there are degrees and tipping points.

    Perhaps the key is that the Russian Vax is safe in the sense of causing almost no or very few bad adverse reactions / horrific results like three-days-on death, so the danger is low. (There are some studies, sorting that out is another topic..see one link) and Putin/ the Gvmt. of Russia, have the solid nos. in hand, and know this.

    Moscow (16 June) for ex: …orders mandatory vaccinations for many workers

    Presumably this order is within the remit of the Mayor of Moscow.

    “We simply must do everything to carry out mass vaccinations in the shortest possible time and stop this terrible disease, stop the deaths of thousands of people,” Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said in a statement.</em

    Dismaying! in its similarity to what goes on in the UK / USA / other W. Crazy copy-pasta.

    https://www.dw.com/en/covid-moscow-orders-mandatory-vaccinations-for-many-workers/a-57920906

    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)00191-4/fulltext

    #78554
    Noirette
    Participant

    forgot to close tag…. 🙁

    #78555
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Madam: as understood, Covid’s closest relative, SARS, has +10 year immunity. Period. There’s every reason to think CV will as well, but they won’t look. Not just a useless, paid-for add-on, it seems anecdotally that if you had it and get the vaccine you get a much worse reaction, as your body, making spike, attacks ITSELF. Which is obvious, of course. Totally obvious. It’s clear malpractice to give a vaccine you don’t need even if it didn’t, but when it certain WILL… This is some component of the complex range of bad reaction no one is having. Nope, not at all.

    I’m guessing some of the other messiness is the vaccines are not at all the same, even from the same manufacturer. As “experimental” they can change the formula, put anything in them, Arsenic and old lace, Covid itself, or tap water. Although none of those would shock me, think maybe different flavors of lipid-wrap plus flavors of the nano-iron. J&J then looks for the medical record Rorschach pattern and gets 150 million free lab rats, killing some 10% that get the wrong combo, while being able to tell the press “Look! It’s safe, it killed hardly anyone! Only 30x all 70 other vaccines combined!” Yes, but that sub-vaccine you cooked up killed 90% of the takers, and you hid the bodies in the noise like any good serial killer.

    Point: Get a test if you’re going to try it. If you had Covid, 1) you won’t need vaccine 2) very likely have terrible reaction that can’t be calmed down. What say the doctors?

    Speaking of Capitalism: 49 states, Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma are going to pay California for all the COVID back-rents. …To Landlords, of course. So FROM the poorest, TO the richest! Capitalism! The American Way!

    Oh and both halves totally illegal, as they are prohibited from interfering in private contracts. ALSO illegal as the CDC is an advisory board with no legislative or executive power. ALSO not “from each according to his ability” but the OPPOSITE.

    Remember, if you believe in Federal law, you’re a terrorist! If you even DISCUSS it, you’re a terrorist. Says the FBI, and they sure don’t follow any law.

    Legal, ethical Neo/Con/Lib/Feudalists always take from the poor and give to the rich. Now why you guys in Gary, Indiana so mad? Don’t you know hundred-millionaires in Oakland need your cash?

    Gary
    “a city that has sadly been named Murder Capital of the Country”

    https://www.indystar.com/story/opinion/2017/09/22/tully-dont-dismiss-gary-indianas-amazon-dreams/685009001/ (article begging Bezos and Amazon instead of arresting them for tax fraud and anti-trust)

    “Learn to code.” “If they’re too dumb to rent a U-haul”… “Bitter Clingers” If they’re so smart, why ain’t they rich like California is? ..You’re gonna say “Wall Street” again, aren’t you?

    #78556
    Bill7
    Participant

    CJ Hopkins- ‘The War on Reality:

    “So, the War on Reality is going splendidly. Societies all across the world have been split into opposing, irreconcilable realities. Neighbors, friends, and even family members are bitterly divided into two hostile camps, each regarding the other as paranoid psychotics, delusional fanatics, dangerous idiots, and, in any event, as mortal enemies.

    In the UK, Germany, and many other countries, and in numerous states throughout the US, a “state of emergency” remains in effect. An apocalyptic virus is on the loose. Mutant variants are spreading like wildfire. Most of society is still shut down or subject to emergency health restrictions. People are still walking around in public with plastic face shields and medical-looking masks. The police are showing up at people’s homes to arrest them for “illegally gathering outdoors.” Any deviation from official reality is being censored by the Internet corporations. Constitutional rights are still suspended. Entire populations are being coerced into being injected with experimental “vaccines.” Pseudo-medical segregation systems are being brought online. And so on … you’re familiar with the details..”

    The War on Reality

    #78557
    ctbarnum
    Participant

    Understatement of the century. The question becomes,, “Are there any other judges willing to buck the tide and call it what it is?”

    ““We live in a fraud of unprecedented dimensions,” wrote Dias.

    “The data are from the Sistema de Informação dos Certificados de Óbito (Death Certificate Information System – SICO), the only such system in Portugal. The reference to 152 death certificated issued ‘under Justice Ministry supervision’ is spurious, as all death certificates are issued under Justice Ministry auspices, being the only institution that issues them.

    “In response to a popular suit, a court order was required for the Ministry to respond, desperate not to denounce the fraud.

    “All those responsible for handling data from ‘cases’ and ‘deaths’ can, thereafter, only be tried for the crime if there is any dignity remaining in the rule of law,” he continued.

    “If these figures are of the same order of magnitude for other countries as well, and there is no reason to assume otherwise, then the plague is a deception of unprecedented proportions and crimes committed against humanity on a huge scale have been committed here.”

    Lisbon court rules only 0.9% of ‘verified cases’ died of COVID, numbering 152, not 17,000 claimed

    #78558
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Most of society is still shut down or subject to emergency health restrictions. People are still walking around in public with plastic face shields and medical-looking masks. The police are showing up at people’s homes to arrest them for ‘illegally gathering outdoors.’

    If this applies to the USA, then certainly the situation varies from state to state. This scenario is mostly not the case in Wisconsin. My main problem with Hopkins as a writer is that he’s way too given to hyperbole, sometimes to the point of sounding completely hysterical. And I’m really trying to phrase that in the most charitable way I can.

    #78559
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    This article that ran in the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel doesn’t really make its case that lockdowns are a necessary and helpful response to pandemics when you read the article.

    #78560
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Germany, Australia, New Zealand, England and others have been much more harsh on their populace with regards to covid then the US. I wonder why that is? 😉

    #78561
    Mr. House
    Participant

    Might have something to do with ya know, needing nukes and F-15’s

    #78562
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #78563
    Mr. House
    Participant
    #78564
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    My understanding is that Oz and NZ were a lot less affected by Covid, mainly because they were able to close their borders before it made any serious inroads into their respective countries. So it is pretty bizarre that they would be locking down to the max.

    #78565
    Bill7
    Participant

    Here in small-town coastal Califonia, Hopkins’s description fits the facts well: people driving around with masks on and windows rolled up in their cars; big-time pressure to get the “vaccines”; lockdowns continue, with the small-business side of the one main shopping center *all still closed* and apparently OOB, given the paper in all the front windows, while the corporatist side has been wide-open all through the “pandemic”, and doing bang-up business..

    So from this angle Hopkins does not seem overwrought at all.

    #78566
    Mr. House
    Participant

    “So it is pretty bizarre that they would be locking down to the max.”

    my guess would be because it isn’t about the virus. Kinda what CJ was stating and has been stating since this all began. I actually came across him pre 2020 in a scathing take down he did of Bernie Sanders, his read on “reality’ fit what i saw and explained alot of Bernies actions in 2016. Dude is on the ball.

    #78567
    Oroboros
    Participant

    “..a beloved pastime where American athletes who were given every opportunity to succeed get to show how much they hate America..”

    Pro sports in America is finished as a business model.

    Fully one half of the audience (probably more), who still love and respect their country, are fed up with PC wokeism infecting the sports arena.

    The ungodly amounts of money payed to sports ‘stars’ , in any major sport, depend on high ticket sales, ad revenue and endorsements.

    The whole of pro sports is now littered with people pissing on the public’s shoes and trying to call it rain.

    If the whole of pro sports loses half it’s audience in a short space of time (it’s happening as we speak) the business model will collapse in a New York Minute.

    “Just Obey It” and “Lighting the Flag on Fire” are satirical art imitating actual life and are the Kiss of Death to Pro Sports.

    I know many who are completely turning their backs on corporate faux sports and shifting their attention and money to local sports teams and events, cutting the Pros completely out.

    Support local sports in your neighborhood.

    #78568
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Well, this wouldn’t be the first time I’ve heard that California is a world apart from Wisconsin. 🙂 And yeah, it is becoming more and more apparent to me that it isn’t really “about the virus”, so it’s bizarre to me probably because I haven’t fully internalized and accepted this fact. But it definitely wasn’t the same world in which I was a teenage boy or a young man even before the virus, and I’m going to have to realize that this will just keep on becoming more and more the case. 🙁

    #78569
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Thinking: Okay, yes, if you had Covid, your body attacks itself, but if you DIDN’T have Covid, it attacks itself too. Clarify: the body with antibodies is primed to attack, while the fresh body has to start creating the very first Spike, THEN attacks that first Spike with a first antibody, which happens slower. This is key, cytokine-storm style. That may or may not be an advantage, my impression is being a fresh patient is better. …Symptomwise.

    Obviously, it would seem native immunity is superior, not just for SARS, nor for anti-body tests, which they refuse to make/try/study or /do, but because it recognizes all (probable) variants. So natural immunity is Delta-immune too. They are going to try to create the opposite impression, lying to protect the vax and blame the unvaxxed for being the host reservoir for a disease the vaccine should have made them immune to if it worked at all to begin with. Also can’t be true because there was essentially no time to create a better variant. Delta claims to exist, what 2 months after vax? And it’s also barely different?

    Next: According to themselves, not ONLY does it have no Delta immunity, but no base immunity either. 50% of vaccinated get Covid anyway. (U.K. reports)

    According to themselves, that immunity has near-zero duration. They want a booster at 2 weeks and 6 months, possibly forever. Since the mRNA under their science will only about wear off by then (in theory only, cells disposed and no longer making spikes), they’re saying it does not protect you.

    Essentially: IT’S NOT A VACCINE.

    I conceded for no special reason that even though most present vaccines are not whole, weakened viruses (the Sinovax is exception) but are experimental RNA therapies, by function they are vaccines. That is, they are meant to create a long-term immunity from a certain disease.

    However, that’s wrong, isn’t it? It has NO “long-term” protection: it has short-term protection only. If you must re-take every 6 months, or possibly 100 more doses before death starting age 20. Worse, it has no immunity at all since U.K., Israel, and Seychelles show higher cases immunized than in vaccine-free zones. While you’re supposed to “get it” – just with no symptoms – almost certainly they are finding worse symptoms than the unvaccinated. First, I think the hospital numbers show a 50% split as well. Second, why would vaccinated people be getting tests if they had no symptoms? The numbers would be strongly skewed toward the unvaccinated (who would suspect they might have it), and they’re not. If anything, it’s the other way.

    A little messy. Thoughts?

    #78570
    Bill7
    Participant

    Adding: except for the measures taken to “combate the pandemic” mentioned above, I have seen not one thing since the project was rolled out fifteen months ago that would be
    evidence of a pandemic. Not *one person* in distress, except by the fear engendered by lockdowns, masking, 24/7 media fear-porn, loss of work and income, and so on.

    They know what they’re doing.

    #78571
    Dr. D
    Participant

    I believe Hopkins is an American, but he lives exclusively in Germany. So his description is of daily life there.

    #78572
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @Roboto

    The Bernie article i mentioned

    The Magic Socialist

    #78573
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    Well, I’m pretty sure there is something going around because my best friend from high school might have died last year had it not been for Dr. Kory convincing the medical profession to treat Covid-related cytokine-storms with steroids. I just wish the old friend hadn’t “taken the jab” because the white-coats wouldn’t tell him that he’s pretty much immune now that he’s survived a severe case. 🙁

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