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    DPC Manhattan landmark Flatiron Building under construction 1902   • UK Corona Crisis ‘To Last Until Spring 2021, 7.9m To Be Hospitalised’ (G.) •
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 16 2020]

    #55410
    V. Arnold
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    The central banks are so off in their approaches it’s getting harder to see how they will survive in their present shapes. This is not a time to bail out banks, it’s a time to help people. But they refuse that.

    True! All you say…

    I have to believe there will be a reckoning; a Kharmic blast that will bullseye that whole industry; the ending will be final, destructive, and wholly liberating…

    DPC Manhattan landmark Flatiron Building under construction 1902

    And; I have to add; that is a fantasic photograph of an iconic and historic land mark in the city in which I was born…

    #55411
    zerosum
    Participant

    Buy the dips
    (Buying opportunity … when the markets open …. circuit breakers)
    Jump Jump Jump

    • UK Corona Crisis ‘To Last Until Spring 2021, 7.9m To Be Hospitalised’ (G.)
    • NYC & LA Mayors Order Bars, Nightlife, Gyms, & Restaurants To Shut (ZH)

    What country will survive? You won’t recognize tomorrow

    • Fed Cuts Rates To Zero, Launches Massive $700 Billion QE (CNBC)
    • Fed Disaster: S&P Futures Crash, Halted Limit Down; Gold, Treasuries Soar (ZH)

    Where did all the people who opposed MMT go?

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/ciruit-breaker-halts-us-stock-markets-open-15-mins

    Ciruit-Breaker Halts US Stock Markets At Open 15 Mins

    DOW open – 2250.46 (20,935.16)

    If declines 13%, trading will again pause for 15 mins

    If falls 20%, the markets would close for the day.

    Wait for it …. Friends of Fed are going to jjoin the game as soon as they are given the okay to buy the dipps.

    #55412
    boilingfrog
    Participant

    Anybody remember The Vapors circa. 1980, the year Reagan entered stage right? Quite the coincidence…

    “I’m turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so
    Turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so
    I’m turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so
    Turning Japanese, I think I’m turning Japanese, I really think so…”

    #55413
    lms
    Participant

    I and everyone I know want to sign up for that crash course in politics. It’s a given that politicians lie habitually. But none has ever lied as much as this president. Anyone who denies that should put down the Kool-Ade. We who need that crash course want to be taught how it is that we can be calmed and reassured by someone who is literally unable to tell the truth. I give him the benefit of the doubt – he can’t help himself. That’s the gift of a true conman – lying comes easier than telling the truth.

    In today’s Times, David Leonhart details the trove of lies that the president has fed us in filling his role of reassuring us. No one needs to read that however – it’s all been published before. If you have been paying attention, and hadn’t taken that course or become intoxicated by the Kool-Ade, you couldn’t possibly deny that his first priority always is his own survival. How do you make excuses for the man who said, “I like the numbers where they are”, as his reason for leaving infected and yet to be infected passengers on a cruise ship?

    You have said repeatedly that where Italy is now is where we will be in the near future. So it doesn’t make sense to compare our numbers to theirs and use that in the president’s defense. Maybe that will be in the course, because that’s exactly what he would do, make irrational comparisons to put himself in a good light, comparisons that look like sound reasoning to people who are too lazy to think for themselves.

    And what is the “work” you imagine him to be doing while he reassures (lies to) us?

    #55414
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Hey, I’ve got an idea: let’s give this to the government; more government saves everything!
    Second idea: let’s print money; money saves everything!

    Third idea: Let’s give money to my friends; that fixes everything!

    Meanwhile, back in the real world…money grows on trees, masks and wheat do not.

    I am still missing something important about it all. Don’t get lost in the thick of thin things.
    Question: how can we have 100,000 cases and no one has solid parameters of how it works, what it is or isn’t yet? At first, sure, but after we’ve seen it for 90 days and a billion people? And China lying doesn’t help. We all know it wasn’t 3k cases there, would you like to tell the truth now? 300k? 1M? Nope. Anything but truth.

    Okay, why these specific few places? Each just about to protest? Iran, Christian Wuhan, France? Or not? Why NOT Japan? They are doing nothing especially useful. How do we have apparently two diametrically different fatality rates?

    There’s a lot more going on here, and nobody’s telling the truth, most of all the WHO and CDC. I’ve got an idea: let’s give it to government and trust them! Always worked before! That’s how we got here!

    Again, in other news, this is exactly the emergency we knew would happen, should have happened in ’99 and ’08, and was already happening in Sept ’19. What a clever thing that the virus is here to do to the markets and economy what was happening anyway? And give us all national emergency powers, including the National Guard in NY from Cuomo to Trump, a day I thought I would never see?

    Now since we’re in the monetary reset that was ALWAYS coming, since Economist 1988, ALWAYS 40 years from 1971, here we are. Surprise!

    You’ve got yourselves worked up. The death rate is still near statistical zero. Unless China wants to ‘fess up. We’ve gotten above vending machine crushing and into lightning strikes (US)? It’s not a jolly party but 1M in 1968 on a far smaller region no one even remembers. Like terrorists, you’re going to scare yourselves to death more than anything. Even in Italy, the death rate right now is 0.003% (1,800 / 60M) The economy can kill more than 1800 in a weekend. They sure did in Greece! They probably lose that many from medieval diseases in California.

    We’re going to reset the economy and the currency. We always were. It wasn’t working and was killing more people than any virus. Here we are, ready to fix things anytime you want to stop.

    Listen to the experts, ignore the morons”

    Geez, the experts ARE the morons if you haven’t noticed. Remember the “experts” up until now, the WHO saying China was awesome, Martensen was an idiot, banning him off the internet, mocking GOP Congressmen who took it seriously, presidents who had borders, repatriated supplies, and shut off air travel? Yeah THOSE experts. Who have been wrong 90 days running now, while of us on the internet with no special information except “logic” have been right. Cuomo only yesterday shutting ONLY New Rochelle, a city that lives by commute on the NY Subway, and there only the buildings. Experts. Advised by other experts. Any idiot from W. Virginia could see that was the world’s biggest cartoon fantasy since Fantasia.(1940)

    Right now the experts don’t know more things about this than I can name, but varying fatality, quarantine time, spread rates, surface life, and accuracy of any test they’re providing should keep us busy enough for now.

    Note: if the tests are still near 50/50 random, we don’t know anything, and more flawed data will make our expert decisions WORSE, not better. They are super-mad Cheeto won’t accept totally random tests that statistically will say 50% of the people have it in a population that has NONE. Wouldn’t that be a kicker? Instead he’s creating his own tests, ones that WORK and are under our control. That takes time, sorry. But going in the back and giving you a coin flip from the CDC won’t help. We also have a dozen “cures” which can be used, but they need to be tested, and things are in a rush, and would also scale. They keep picking on the “hot weather” but these things will happen by April.

    Whatever. I’m going back to looking for that crucial thing I’m missing. Some part of it is still a snow job, but I don’t grasp it yet. Don’t get snow-blinded. Keep your eyes on your work.

    #Work Ha! Forgot we don’t do that anymore, just criticize and complain.

    #55415
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    DIY Face Mask Instructions


    “All of the materials succeeded in blocking at least 49% of virus particles. Our mask has 2 layers of cotton or cotton/poly and so it seems like it would do as well or better that that.”
    https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Cloth-Face-Mask/


    https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/diy-homemade-mask-protect-virus-coronavirus/

    #55416
    seychelles
    Participant

    CureVac would only develop vaccine “for the whole world”, Spahn said, “not for individual countries”.

    The corporation as a legal entity is charged with maximizing profits for its shareholders. The concept of a revenue level playing field is ludicrous. A big part of escaping the world of Mammon is legally re-defining what a corporation can be….with enforced anti-monopolistic and externality regulations at the top of the list.

    #55417
    seychelles
    Participant

    But now the numbers are rising quickly

    South Africa has had the American syndrome: no covid-19 test, no illness. Denial, incompetence and deliberate obfuscation rolled together.

    #55418
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    I’m firmly insistent with Dr. D on this mass hysteria. The BS just doesn’t jibe with the data bring fed us.
    Telltale signs of collective delusion:
    1. Coughing in public, oh hell, for that matter in your own home elicits disdainful looks from both family and strangers.
    2. Verbally, openly disagreeing with the agenda imposed on the entire world’s mass of people results in a vicious rebuke or sideways glance. (Look askance)
    3. They closed the gyms AND bars.
    4. Banks need free money more than individuals without jobs or access to their workplace.

    #55419
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Hey, Doctor, aren’t they supposed to listen to the “experts”? Medical professionals? M.D.s?

    N O P E ! ! !

    Not if it doesn’t confirm collective hysteria and bias. Regardless of who says it: P A N I C ! ! !

    Because that always works out best.

    (Data please? What’s with 1B people involved now and STILL no hard data?)

    #55420
    zerosum
    Participant

    How the system works
    Everyone needs an income to pay for food and to pay the bill collectors who insist on getting his pound of flesh.
    Now is the time for the capitalist to live or die without the gov. aid. Opsss, so now you want to join the communist, the socialist, be first on the corporate welfare list, even before the poor and the street people.
    That how it works.
    Remember, be good to your servants. You don’t want them to cough on your toys.

    #55421
    neoh
    Participant

    “Why NOT Japan?”
    Good question. A country that literally had a travelling revolving door with China and has an average age of 103.
    “1. Coughing in public, oh hell, for that matter in your own home elicits disdainful looks from both family and strangers.
    2. Verbally, openly disagreeing with the agenda imposed on the entire world’s mass of people results in a vicious rebuke or sideways glance. (Look askance)”
    Reminds me of criticizing the Iraq invasion/wmd thing. Back then the frightened sheeple bought all the duct tape.
    Raul, don’t know why Italy got slammed and Japan and other places haven’t but something stinks…really bad.

    #55422
    neoh
    Participant

    The new word for curfew is “shelter in place”. That order will be used long after the virus.
    Never let a disaster go to waste

    #55423

    The roller coaster’s headed down.
    The world’s all tilt-a-whirl.
    They didn’t want to panic you-
    Now sit. Now stay!
    A squirrel!

    The voices of the dem candidates last night changed when they talked about The Virus, and I thought: They’re programmed! Just like the people in the press conferences; just like the media folk; just like all the politicians, local to national.
    I wondered: do the numbers match the reaction? Would I buy a lottery ticket whose odds were the same as me catching The Virus? Nope.
    The Virus is the perfect terrorist (a nod to “Ellis Medavoy”). Anyone can become a victim. Anyone could be the ticking bomb. We are about to have a year with summer beckoning to us, and we are stuck indoors like it’s winter.
    The above post at 3:47 is one of Dr. D’s best.
    Would the bad guys of the world let loose a bunch of squirrels to distract the watchdogs while the global economy (cough) reconfigured?
    Of course they would.
    Something ominous is afoot, and it scares me more than SARS-CoV-2.

    #55424
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    I tried to buy a freezer today at Home Depot. The sales clerk told me that the whole chain sold out of freezers a week ago and new orders are not a given but would not come in until May.

    #55425
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    I agree and I said the same several days ago about parallels to the run up to the Iraq War in 2002/2003.
    Here’s a vital question. Is this “candor and dissent” to the dominant narrative being monitored by Canary Mission?
    I paid the price 18 years ago while the silent “assenters” and cheerleaders were promoted, often handsomely rewarded.
    Will that aspect of the record be repeated also?

    #55426
    zerosum
    Participant

    The broom has only swept a couple of years of gambling from the DOW.

    When I see that the airline industry is asking for $50 billion, and that Nancy P. is putting off coming back to vote on changed made by the senate to her bill, which therefore, means A DELAY ON HELPING THE WORKING POOR with no paycheck, I therefore realize her priorities.

    The hotel industry is being ask to tell the gov. the number of vacant room that they can rent for sequestered virus patients. How many millions of $ will they receive for reserving those empty rooms.

    I keep checking the border crossing cameras. No line ups. Nobody travelling. I’ve never seen this before.

    From other news
    https://www.aljazeera.com/
    Coronavirus: Philippines quarantines island of 57 million people
    For daily wage earners, no work means no pay ‘so no choice’ and social distancing is impossible, critics say.

    Pakistan’s spike in coronavirus cases raises quarantine concerns
    Some of those quarantined after returning from Iran question lack of doctors, hygiene issues at camp.

    Palestinian struggle continues with coronavirus
    Thirty-seven of the victims were infected after a Greek religious tourist group carrying coronavirus visited Bethlehem.

    #55427
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Sunday and Monday we went shopping at two large stores; Tesco and BigC; no shortage of anything as far as I could see. Basically normal.
    Most venues are being shut down including major holidays, universities, schools, etc. Anything inviting large gatherings. Even my wife’s meditation classes at our local Wat (Bhuddist Temple) have been cancelled.

    Yes, the numbers are scarry until one pulls back to see the big picture; when comparing with 7 billion humans presently inhabiting the Earth, they’re not large at all.
    Kudos to Dr. D and Dr. D Rich for their sobering posts of reality…

    #55428
    Figmund Sreud
    Participant

    OK, … please forgive me if following was posted here before, … most scary stuff:

    How to treat Coronavirus infection COVID-19
    Interview with the member of the Russian Academy of Science Alexander Chuchalin

    How to treat Coronavirus infection COVID-19

    Best,

    F.S.

    #55429
    John Day
    Participant

    @WES
    I think the 10 second breath-hold test seems useful. I tried it out on a bunch of people at work today, including a coworker with asthma, who didn’t think she could, and got to 9 seconds, but everybody else did comfortably. I sure think that anybody on the phone, talking to a nurse, who can’t hold breath 10 seconds needs immediate medical evaluation where thy can do bloodwork and a chest x-ray. Gotta go to bed now. I posted really early yesterday morning, but somehow it did not get through.
    Here’s a blog snippet from yesterday:
    http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/03/treating-at-home.html
    I first had good enough information about the novel coronavirus to post some details and projections in Year Of The Rat Fink, 1/25/20 ​http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/01/year-of-rat-fink.html
    That information was fleshed out to it’s present form by 1/28/20 post, Viral Valentine ​http://www.johndayblog.com/2020/01/viral-valentine.html

    ​Viral spread has been keeping up with basic predictions of epidemiological models, and the US is set to have a worse time of this than Italy, though Wuhan had it worst of all. Each of us lives in a community, and some are reacting better than others. I have been pleased that Austin has reacted a little ahead of what I expected.
    At People’s Community Clinic, I have been forwarding information and discussing it with other doctors for over a month. Tomorrow morning we set up our new respiratory evaluation protocol, having already had a change in screening and flow for this whole past week. We could not test until Wednesday, though, with a 4 day turn-around, so… I expect a lot of news in Austin tomorrow, and further restrictions. I will know the whole community is on-board when the strip-clubs shut. Really.​
    My eldest daughter, Holly Day MD is a hospitalist in Internal Medicine at a major Texas hospital.
    Thursday she volunteered to take all of the suspected “COVID-cases” on her hospital service. All arrangements are haphazard so far, and she has been forbidden to treat even sicker patients empirically with safe, and available medicines, until tests come back, which the San Antonio Health Dept. only runs Monday through Friday.
    Holly is working very hard and long, is a patient person, voted “most compassionate” for all 3 years of her residency program. The obstructionism of the hospital bureaucracy, with injunctions against any patient care until given permission, with no mechanism or expertise to create permission, is a Catch-22 for her and for every patient with this virus, getting sicker, while awaiting a test result.
    This is “normal”. This is your vaunted “finest health care in the world”. Take good care of yourself. Take vitamin-D, 5000 units per day if you have been taking it awhile, but 10,000 units/d until June if you have not been taking it and you are not an outdoorsy nudist or surf-lifeguard. Avoid crowds, especially indoors. Wash hands with soap and water before after touching things. Avoid touching people, things they touch, your nose and your mouth in creative ways.

    Chloroquine phosphate disappeared from pharmacy shelves by early March, here in the US, after 500 mg dose twice per day for 10 days was recommended for coronavirus disease.
    Here is today’s GOOD NEWS:
    I just got information from Michael-the-communist that hydroxychloroquine/Plaquenil 200 mg twice per day, is just as effective in treating novel coronavirus, maybe even a hair better. This is available, used long term in some forms of arthritis and autoimmune disease, but would only be used short term for this.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920300820
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32150618
    Good Rx Coupons show #60 of hydroxychloroquine 200 mg costing about $20 to $60 at area pharmacies. That would be 3 X 10 day treatments of 200 mg twice per day.

    #55430
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    Dr. D asks the question: How do we have apparently two diametrically different fatality rates?

    Part of the answer might be hereditary immunodeficiency that affects some ethnic groups more than others. From the former head of the Korean Center for Disease Control:

    “A lot of people in the medical community do not know about such an issue, but Iran has a lot of hereditary immunodeficiency patients, and many Korean companies export antibodies to Iran,” Professor Jung Ki-seok at Hallym University Sacred Hospital said during a recent interview with MBC Radio. “It is necessary to look at such ethnic characteristics.” While Korea does not have many people with hereditary immunodeficiency, those who have this problem need to be doubly cautious about coronavirus, he added.

    http://www.koreabiomed.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=7677

    #55431
    wdt
    Participant

    >Take vitamin-D, 5000 units per day if you have been taking it awhile, but 10,000 units/d >until June if you have not been taking it and you are not an outdoorsy nudist
    Exactly right,, also
    Get brazil nuts, for the selenium, 2 nuts/day, more if sick (don’t go wild)
    For me, it is the 2nd go-around, not so severe this time (so far)

    #55432
    WES
    Participant

    John Day:. Thank you for the 10 second breath holding test feedback.

    Today my 19 year old daughter came down with a fever and runny nose. She just came home from University as they are going online now. So some concern here.

    There is very definitely community spread here in Toronto since the Fed and prov governments here have followed the doomed Don’t Test, Don’t Tell procedure. Cases doubling every day now.

    No tests are available even if you have the coronavirus!

    #55435
    Nomanisanisland
    Participant

    The BBC had this pegged back in Sept 2017.

    They even have an app for it:

    The BBC Pandemic App could be key in preparing for the next pandemic outbreak. In order to better understand how an infectious disease like flu can spread, researchers need data about how we travel and interact.

    The data collected between September and November 2017 was used to simulate the spread of a highly infections flu across the UK and predict how many of us might die – the results are revealed in Contagion! The BBC Four Pandemic. The data collected between December 2017 and December 2018 will contribute to this new gold-standard data set for use future simulations and in wider Pandemic research.

    BBC 4 Contagion Simulation 2017

    I’ve not yet watched it, but I wonder if “Herd Immunity” is the preferred option…

    #55436
    Nomanisanisland
    Participant

    At 17:30 NZDT (4:30 AM GMT) I made some predictions based on magnitude increases for the worst hit European countries. Dates are close of the countries reporting day.

    Italy 19 March 100,000 total cases, 24 March 10,000 deaths

    Spain 23 March 100,00 cases, 22 March 1,000 deaths, 30 March 10,000 deaths

    US 18 March 10,000 cases, 29 March 10,000 deaths

    France 18 March 10,000 cases, 25 March 100,000 cases, 24 March 1,000 deaths

    All these countries as of 16 March have a 10 fold increase time of between 6 and 9 days.

    All care but no responsibility.

    #55451
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Orlov, “Closing the ‘Collapse Gap’ with the Soviet Union”

    “Of course, if you happen to live in a country that was about to collapse anyway, this coronavirus could very easily do it in, but so could any other cough or sneeze. The first stage of collapse, out of a total of five stages, is called…

    FINANCIAL COLLAPSE.

    Oh, and in case you are wondering, running out and stocking up on toilet paper in response to a coronavirus threat is a symptom of an entirely different disease which can very well turn out to be fatal. Most curiously, it seems to affect the cerebral cortex via the rectum.”

    #55452
    Dr. D
    Participant

    So Japan: ally, safe
    China: enemy, hit
    Iran, enemy, hit.
    Africa: millions of Chinese, no systems at all, apparently bypassed. Que?
    Italy? Ally, hit. But only the anti-EU, rebelling north? Apparently no one visits Sicily anymore?

    How about this: however this started in China, we quickly sent in drones and sprayed down the Iranian leadership with plausible deniability. Denying things is toxic like that.

    Subtext: we could not do that without access to a known and certain cure. Yet the Iranians are not medically different (enough) otherwise. Iran is closed, but not so closed Turkey and Pakistan wouldn’t follow IMMEDIATELY.

    The other sites are the defused Type II virus. Italy remains to be explained.

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