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    Harris&Ewing Less taxes, more jobs, US Chamber of Commerce campaign 1939   • Now-Dominant Strain Of Coronavirus Could Be More Contagious Than
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle May 6 2020]

    #58392
    V. Arnold
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    Harris&Ewing Less taxes, more jobs, US Chamber of Commerce campaign 1939

    A nice flash from the past…
    Jobs; where fore art thou?

    #58393
    zerosum
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    Conditioning
    No job, no life
    Your job …. to bend the spoon.
    His job …. to supply the spoon
    The Matrix ….. to supply the life/jobs

    Ben there, don that before
    I’m no longer in the Matrix, I’m retired. I’m at TAE

    #58394
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    HCQ

    Those in authority who try and prevent the use of HCQ in the treatment of C19 should be arrested for manslaughter. They can explain their evidence at their trials.

    We are talking about something serious, it should be treated seriously. Their actions have consequences : death!

    #58395

    The HCQ+ issue could expose Fauci’s conflicts of interest. Too many positive stories of HCQ+’s success belie his ominous warnings against it, and make it appear he has ties to pharma’s desire to cash in big with high-priced, barely tested (or dodgily tested) new antivirals. Fauci also has ties to the megalomaniacal Bill (“I know about viruses”) Gates with his promise of a vaccine. Coronavirus “vaccines” have an horrific history, and more and more people are aware of it.
    Why else discourage doctors from trying what works in so many cases?
    I watched a video yesterday of a tv show (“The Dead Zone”) from 2003 where a nasty coronavirus was taken down by “Hchloroquin”. Interesting. It was called “Plague”.

    It’s lovely to hear about the bees!

    #58397
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Didn’t we just read that Fauci signed off on the HCQ study back in SARS that it was both a therapeutic and prophylactic? That is, HCQ could in once sense BE the vaccine. He’s also in tight with the Pharma and especially Gates and Co. …Because when we need medical advice we always ban ER doctors and listen to incompetent programmers instead.

    But nobody knows nothing. No one can be discredited. No one goes to jail.

    #58398
    Dr. D
    Participant

    This is how serious experts are taking it:

    “Scientist Whose Doomsday Models Sparked Global Lockdown Resigns After Breaking Quarantine To Bang Married Lover”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/scientist-whose-doomsday-models-prompted-worldwide-lockdown-broke-quarantine-bang-married

    Along with no masks in the White House, open mic leaks that Covid is a zero, no masks in the Governorships or Media Heads, forays to the hair salons, flights to Florida, non-quarantine trips with the family to Long Island to berate bicyclists, trips to the Brooklyn gym and park, 100,000 people a week to Heathrow. While you’re locked in your 800-foot Harlem apartment with 3 kids, experts in the know taking it seriously indeed. [Stern face]

    Well, we were warned when that article from The Guardian breathlessly questioned what all the London smart set would do when they couldn’t go out to trendy bars and cheat on their husbands. They said it was Handmaid’s Tale stuff. Practically Amish. Honestly, family values, brrrrr, it really is the end of the world. Their answer: You don’t! It’s rules for the and not for me like any psychopath.

    Another article on the known, certain deaths of economy and unemployment:
    “The opponents of the lockdowns, on the other hand, only wish to allow people to exercise their freedom. The burden of proof lies on those who wish to use police powers to coerce others.”
    https://mises.org/wire/unemployment-kills-longer-lockdowns-last-worse-it-will-get

    I think that’s a pretty well-established and well-supported position among humans.

    ” “Where’s The Beef?” – Not on the Horizon!” –Food shortages

    “It is the goal of every official narrative to generate this type of herd mentality, not in order to deceive or dupe the public, but, rather, to confuse and terrorize them to the point where they revert to their primal instincts, and are being driven purely by existential fear, and facts and truth no longer matter. Once an official narrative reaches this point, it is unassailable by facts and reason. It no longer needs facts to justify it. It justifies itself with its own existence. Reason cannot penetrate it. Arguing with its adherents is pointless. They know it is irrational. They simply do not care.

    We are reaching this point with the coronavirus narrative.

    Despite the fact that what we are dealing with is a virus that, yes, is clearly deadly to the old and those with medical conditions, but that is just as clearly not a deadly threat to the majority of the human species, … Many appear to believe that this virus is some sort of Alien-Terrorist Death Flu (or weaponized Virus of Mass Destruction) that will kill you the second you breathe it in.

    The Internet has become an Orwellian chorus of shrieking, sanctimonious voices bullying everyone into conformity with charts, graphs, and desperate guilt-trips, few of which have much connection to reality.
    Corporations and governments are censoring dissent. We’re approaching a level of manufactured mass hysteria and herd mentality that not even Goebbels could have imagined.”

    Virus of Mass Destruction

    And I might add, will have/just had the same result. So…meanwhile, the experts in charge are NOT wearing masks, NOT doing the slightest thing that shows they’re personally concerned. So…they don’t believe it but want YOU to believe it? Conclusions? Discuss?

    The Bare Necessities: Federal Court Rules That Strip Clubs Are Entitled To Pandemic Loans”

    In a nod to Guardian reporters, strip clubs are also open for business, as in Oregon. Meanwhile churches are closed and being arrested. Even if they congregate inside their cars. Central Park is packed. Jews are being arrested. Does this ring a bell with anyone?

    All while they’re shoulder to shoulder in Walmart and Pa’s Hardware is closed. People are alone on the beach being arrested by 5 cops, none wearing masks. Does this tell you anything? Connect?

    https://www.clivemaund.com/article.php?id=5375

    Anyway, speaking of charts and data that have no effect, death rate is 0.01%. The increase in national cases is AN INCREASE IN TESTING, a chart that was presented only yesterday, but instantly forgotten because it doesn’t encourage mindless panic and totalitarianism. The U.S. “Worst in the world” has in short order testing 2x more people than the next largest tester, Germany. More testing = more cases. But you notice more testing does not equal more deaths. It equals LESS deaths, because as we discover everybody already had it, we discover we’re already at peak mortality. Thanks, NY Times, you’re a liar. Again. And again and again. Weapons of Mass Destruction and ties to Al-Qaeda.
    Goog
    https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data
    And as that would show your lockdown was useless and in fact is about to kill more people than the virus, we cannot allow that think to be thought. It must always be more deaths, more fear, more bad, never good. The minute we see the death rate is very, very, VERY low – as known for 4 months — we turn our eyes away. Surely somebody is dying somewhere! Of Murder Hornets! Tigers? Something.

    “Now-Dominant Strain of Coronavirus Could Be More Contagious than Original (LAT) “

    Although the last one wasn’t dangerous, we promise this one is. Wait, more contagious? Why would I care when it doesn’t kill anyone? Why? Don’t ask why. Fear! We’reAllGonnaDiiiiieeee!!! We can’t stop until we win the War on Death™. Oh, and the mail-in election. That too of course.

    “Goat and Pawpaw ‘Test Positive’ for COVID19 in Tanzania (AlJ)”

    Speaking of facts and evidence, do you think the tests might be faulty? Maybe that’s why Pelosi wanted “testing”? That’s why the CDC tests were faulty and sent back TWICE, all known for months, now we pretend it never happened, we never heard that, all the tests are good, and we just needed to give them says Taleb, except we didn’t have them and they’re bad, will only encourage fear and death. Yay! Data inaccuracy! Then we do schmart math on random data!

    How am I supposed to work in this environment? Can someone please be discredited now?

    Well, they have. No one’s following the quarantine anymore. No one cares. No one respects you. No one cares about your laws and rules. Congratulations.

    “Most Americans Have Serious Doubts About the Official COVID Death Count: Axios-Ipsos Poll”

    I wonder why. 24 million dead by June! Killer bees. Ozone holes. Polar bears. WMDs. RussiaRussiaRussia.

    “Pennsylvania Woman Jailed for Refusing to Quarantine after Positive Test (Hill)”

    Thankfully, we can just look at the legal and personal effects of this, since everybody already has it and nobody dies. Median age of mortality? Again? 81. Omg, how many old people are there that that’s the MEDIAN? Do you have an apartment block of 90-year-olds somewhere? I thought all young people died of strokes and blood clots with it with 8 blood transfusions while they Tik-Tok dance. So: go forth to your court cases. Also, great quarantine when you intentionally send the Covid person into jail with the jailers. And nice use of public resources at $50,000/year to send non-violents in and release violent offenders, out to my house.

    Are we in upside-down #OppositeLand yet?

    “Did The Mueller Team Violate Brady and Flynn Orders? (Turley)”

    This has been “Standard practice” since J. Edgar Hoover. That was the whole POINT of having an FBI. I have no idea what their supposed “reputation” is built on. There’s at least one high-level public railroading or cover up every year of my life. This one’s going well. No one arrested, no one discredited. Never, amen. “Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program poses a clear threat to our national security,” –FBI Director Mueller 2003, before the boy scout was hired for as Special Counsel for having the highest credibility in government.

    Because of my great respect for Taleb, I’m not going to speak of discrediting him, but not only is EVT famous worldwide for never working – 100 year floods every 5 years, 6-sigma events happen every 20 years and not 200,000 years ago when Neanderthals roamed. Yes, I mean literally. There were a dozen? Score? 100? in ’08, and that was only the last event after ’01, LTCM, 1987, the 70’s, 1941, 1929, and 1909. They STILL claim – with a straight face – that they can do the maths and the rest of us are stupid amateurs.

    No, we know grade-school algebra and that’s STILL better than you quants. I only need to know 200,000 is different than 20. I can do it with a crayon.

    But the Fat-Tail pandemic risk he speaks of is identical. So we’ve had hundreds, thousands of pandemics over history. How many were worth extreme measures or the attempted extreme measures worked? Let’s see: almost never are they needed. 50 years? 100 years? We have maybe 10 examples in 2,000 years that it was both appropriate and effective. Because people being people – also a well-known force — it’s never effective. “But we told them.” Uh-huh. Stalin wasn’t able to get human compliance when he created 12 times zones of gulags, but you’re going to stop it with the common cold. Gotcha.

    So if your data set has no examples since Antonine (165AD), why are you yanking my chain and claiming any legitimacy for worldwide lockdowns now? You’re a joke.

    Okay. So I’m the dummy, having no more common sense than any American dropout. Who was right? Korea, lockdowns worked. Singapore, working lockdown failed. Japan, worked whether lockdown or not. Africa, no lockdown, no news. Sweden, non-lockdown worked. South Dakota, non-lockdown worked. NYC, lockdown seems to have failed. UK, lockdown was pointless: data shows peak before lockdown. Also not locked down. Heathrow is 15 thousand people a day, no scanning. So fake, pretend non-lockdown vs honest admitted non-lockdown? What do your numbers mean? You know, before you do a bunch of math on them. Your data is zero. You’re 25 million deaths short. Random. Wrong. As we see in the media daily.

    But you DEFINITELY shut down the worldwide economy and DEFINITELY killed some 450,000 poorest Americans via poverty and delayed medical care. Was it worth it?

    What does the developing hindsight data tell you then? Your lockdown was a joke: even now the numbers are barely above the flu. To do it fast enough would mean a false alarm shutting down the world and throwing mankind into a depression every third year. It didn’t work even where done properly – and we had pretty good buy-in this year. Humans worldwide also won’t do it properly even when attempted, as any idiot could tell you, and I did. If every doctor, nurse, patient, trucker, farmer, food worker, hardware store, car shop and Walmart employee is at work, you’re not “shut down”. You’re in a fake TV quarantine. It’s the Truman Show. And it had high costs and mixed, essentially random results. All national curves were the same. All this was perfectly predictable if you use grade-school models and not fancy, quant, HFT models.

    Who was right? The dumb people. Again. Or as we call them in a Republic: “The People.” As in “E Pluribus Unum”. Smarter than the politicians. Smarter than the experts. Constantly. And constantly belittled, berated, and jailed for it. This time’s no different. Always trust the abusers, the authorities, the wrong. Never support the people and their right to be left alone. “The burden of proof lies on those who wish to use police powers to coerce others.”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisdom_of_the_crowd

    #58401
    Bill7
    Participant

    Great comment, Dr. D- thank you.

    -Bill7

    #58402
    WES
    Participant

    Ontario is easing their lockdown because they know it isn’t working.

    Ontario has to ease their lockdown before voters figure out that the lockdown didn’t work.

    Only about half the people are wearing masks. Most are still maintaning social distancing.

    That is why Ontario’s lockdown didn’t work very well.

    #58403
    WES
    Participant

    I am always amused when computer models of humans do not account for the changes that humans make when exposed to changing conditions.

    After all computers only understand the difference between “0” & “1”. If they see a condition of neither “0” or “1” they crash! thanks

    #58404
    WES
    Participant

    This picture showing the US Chamber of Commerce advertising billboard, is a snapshot of the early days of this crime syndicate!

    Today the US Chamber of Commerce is the country’s most powerful crime syndicate that most Americans don’t know about!

    #58405
    WES
    Participant

    Dr D:

    It is interesting how individuals can be so stupid but collectively they can be so smart!

    #58407
    zerosum
    Participant

    Working from home

    I hope that you are doing something that your company can justify your productivity and cost.
    Otherwise, you could be replaced by someone working from home in India.

    #58411
    WES
    Participant

    Today I finally found a graph (graft?) of Ontario’s covid-19 cases and deaths.

    Sadly both graphs show continuously steeper upwards slope’s.

    There has been no ending the curve never mind flattening the curve.

    That is why Ontario is opening up again.

    They are opening slowly to pretend that this is the safe thing to do.

    If they didn’t start opening up now, voters would soon figure out the lockdown was for nought.

    #58412
    WES
    Participant

    I should add that since the covid-19 curve will continue to steepen more, lockdown or not, by opening up the economy now, the politicians can then say sadly it is because they opened up the economy and this was to be expected.

    It is all about managing the political narrative!

    #58413

    What Will Schools Look Like After COVID?
    Here are the guidelines one school has laid out. ZH 6 may 2020
    Me- parents- has added the numbers.

    Schools in Quebec, Canada are reopening on May 19th and one school released its guidelines. This list was submitted by a parent to the Facebook page, Kate for Education. The school was not named for the privacy of the parent.

    1 To minimize movement, we forecast assigning students to classes nearest the Berlin Street entrance (on all 3 floors if needed only);

    2 Once assigned to a class, students will spend their entire day (including lunchtime) in their assigned seats;

    3 Students must expect to be regrouped based on the number of students returning;

    4 Students must not expect to return to their regular class with their classmates;

    5 Your child may not be with the same teachers as before as several members of our staff will not be returning to school;

    6 Teachers not returning to school will continue working and keeping close contact with students remotely from home as recommended by the government;

    7 Activities completed while in school will not be evaluated or graded;

    8 No physical materials will be transported back and forth between home & school;

    9 Students must include a mini garbage and recycling bag with their lunch in order to collect their personal garbage and dispose of it at home;

    10 All students must bring in their personal, labeled, and filled water bottle as water fountains won’t be available;

    11 Sharing of ALL items (pencils, pens, sharpeners, wax crayons, rulers, toys) is not permitted;

    12 When weather permits, recess breaks will be held outdoors and will entail of walking outside safely distanced from one another in a prearranged pattern;

    13 Gatherings (groups of students together) will not be permitted;

    14 Limited travel throughout the school by all during the day;

    15 Bathroom visits will be monitored/escorted so that proper disinfection by our caretakers can follow before another student uses the facilities;

    16 As per government recommendations, masks and gloves will not be provided;

    17 Students are certainly welcomed to bring these items from home. They are also invited to carry their own personal disinfecting wipes with them if they wish;

    18 Lockers will no longer be used. Students will place their spring/summer jackets behind the chair they will be using & their school bags under their assigned desks;

    19 There will be no cafeteria service or Home & School pizza & frozen yogurt days.

    20 There will be no physical activity taking place in the gym, no art classes (although art and craft projects can be promoted as home suggestions), no library periods, and no drama classes;

    21 No fundraisers or after school activities will take place;

    22 Parent volunteers will not be permitted in school;

    23We recommend your child brings a book or two of interest from home to read;

    24 Students with fever or flu-like symptoms will be returned home.

    Okay- this is Daisy of the Organic Prepper Blog, via ZH, but still- it makes a point. Eleven is the creepiest: Sharing is not permitted.
    Tell me: what kind of future are we looking at?
    Deagel Deagel Deagel….. what could possibly make some flee and/or die of depression in the US?

    The soul is bent in isolation
    And the heart grows cold in a lockdown nation.

    #58414
    zerosum
    Participant

    Just captured x – military

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/venezuela-broadcasts-video-captured-mercenary-200506180843264.html
    Venezuela broadcasts video of captured US mercenary
    The video showed Luke Denman claiming the goal of the thwarted attempt was to capture and bring Maduro to the US.

    Venezuelan authorities on Monday arrested Denman, another US citizen, Airan Berry, and 11 other “terrorists” in what Maduro has called a failed plot coordinated with officials in Washington to enter the country via the Caribbean coast and oust him.

    https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/heres-the-career-info-for-the-former-green-berets-involved-in-venezuela-raid-debacle/

    Here’s the career info for the former Green Berets involved in Venezuela raid debacle
    The Army has provided service histories for three former Green Berets involved in a failed incursion into Venezuela earlier this week, an incident that’s still short on details.

    Former Green Beret turned private security consultant Jordan Goudreau said in a video to announce the raid Sunday that he helped orchestrate the operation. He later identified his two colleagues as U.S. special forces veterans in a now deleted tweet. He did not respond to a request for comment placed at his office Wednesday.

    #58415

    Good grief- “I- parents- have…”

    #58417
    zerosum
    Participant

    I believe Trump. (/s0
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/trump-denies-link-venezuelan-attack-men-jailed-200505191938812.html
    Trump denies ties to Americans linked to Venezuela ‘coup plot’
    Two US citizens among dozens arrested by Venezuela after a beach invasion allegedly aimed at overthrowing Maduro.
    Trump said he had just learned of the detention of the pair, accused by Venezuela of being mercenaries. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro said they were part of an operation to kill him that was backed by neighbouring Colombia and the US.

    #58418
    zerosum
    Participant

    There is proof of wrong doing.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/05/venezuela-killed-foiled-invasion-sea-200503162349161.html

    Venezuela says eight killed in foiled ‘invasion by sea’
    Interior Minister Nestor Reverol says ‘mercenary terrorists’ launched attack from Colombia.

    The group landed early on Sunday on a beach in the port city of La Guaira, about 20 miles (32km) from the capital Caracas, Interior Minister Nestor Reverol said in a televised address.

    But Maduro retains the backing of the country’s armed forces as well as countries including China and Russia, which have harshly criticised the US sanctions.

    Alleged Nicolas Maduro co-conspirator is in US custody: Report
    The US has led a campaign to remove Maduro, increasing pressure in recent weeks by indicting the socialist leader as a drug trafficker and offering a $15m reward for his arrest.

    #58419
    zerosum
    Participant

    The servants are angry.
    Spite is a powerful tool.
    00:48 GMT – UK study finds higher risk of virus deaths for ethnic minorities
    The risk of dying from coronavirus is “two to three times higher” for the UK’s black and minority ethnic communities, according to an academic analysis of health service data.

    The study, by University College London (UCL), finds the average risk of death for people of Pakistani heritage is 3.29 times higher, for a black African background it is 3.24 times higher and 2.41 times higher for Bangladeshi.

    Black Caribbean communities are 2.21 times more at risk, and Indian groups 1.7 times.

    In contrast, the researchers find a lower fatality risk for white populations in England.

    #58424
    Huskynut
    Participant

    My Parents..
    What Will Schools Look Like After COVID?
    Thanks for posting that. That is some major dumbfuckery right there! (shakes his head).
    But this exactly the direction that fear culture must always inevitably lead. The administrators don’t dare risk showing anything other than ultra-extreme risk aversion lest some snowflake criticises them (or worse). The cotton wool straight-jacket ratchets up another couple of notches. And the children internalise the fact the world is a desperately dangerous place and they must always *comply* with wise and beneficent authorities who will always keep them safe.
    The *only* healthy response is to push to reclaim some autonomy – to think, to move, to own, preserve and protect one’s own boundaries.
    I’ve never had much sympathy with libertarians until recently – now it is so completely in our faces that it takes the metaphorical act of closing one’s eyes and ears completely to unsee the tragedy unfolding before us (and that tragedy is sure as shit not the virus)

    #58425
    Huskynut
    Participant

    Zerosum
    UK study finds higher risk of virus deaths for ethnic minorities
    The Swedish stats show the same trend, but its also clear from videos widely circulated that the immigrant/refugee population in Sweden widely ignored social distancing etc.
    I’m curious whether similar things happened in the UK. The UK knife crime figures indicate large sections of the UK “Asian” (eg Pakistanis) are not exactly scrupulous rule observers. To what extent is this anarchic nature a feature of the Covid spread?
    I genuinely don’t know, but I have a strong suspicion that the relationship between correlation and causation in those stats will lead to an interesting story.

    #58426
    ₿oogaloo
    Participant

    The administrators don’t dare risk showing anything other than ultra-extreme risk aversion lest some snowflake criticises them

    Well, Huskynut, history teaches that first thing you do in a pandemic is close the schools. Russia gambled, electing to skip that step, making school optional and giving parents autonomy to decide whether to send their kids to school. That has not worked out too well, and now they are paying a price. If you are going to reopen the schools, there needs to be a thought-out plan that goes along with that. Maybe not all of the 24 steps will be zealously or equally enforced at all locations, but at least someone has put some thought into how to mitigate the risks once schools reopen. Isn’t that what we want from school officials?

    #58428
    Huskynut
    Participant

    Boogaloo
    history teaches that first thing you do in a pandemic is close the schools
    I’d take issue with the idea that history necessarily teaches us valuable lessons. Lessons from previous pandemics may be applicable, then again they may not. Eg in typical flu pandemics, children are quite vulnerable. In the case of Covid, it seems they’re hardly personally vulnerable at all.
    But my bigger point was that the only useful way to approach any risk is in the context of all the other risks which simultaneously exist. The human cognitive inclination is to fixate on a small number of immediate risks, and ignore others that may materialise on a longer time horizon. And there’s some value in that – get off the train tracks before the freight train arrives, or you don;t need to worry about longer term risks at all.
    But in the case of Covid, the data is saying the immediate pressing risk is important, but not one of species extinction. Therefore we need to balance the the costs and consequences we are deliberately and specifically invoking by our choices against the marginal benefits of those choices.
    In the case of that school list above, a large number of those actions could be thrown out with absolutely negligible additional risk. To include them for the sake of “safety” is actually stupid.
    An example from engineering may illustrate. Say we’re designing an aeroplane. We can deliberately over-engineer it, at the cost of fuel economy (on every flight), purchase cost (born by every passenger in airfares) etc. Or we can design it to cope with the stresses we can model + a margin of safety, which will delivery best “bang for buck” whilst still being safe in every reasonably forseeable situation. (btw, please don’t raise Boeing in this discussion – fuckers that they are. That’s a different kind of incentive). That’s practical risk management in the real world. Sure, engineering is more predicable than pandemic management, but the solution is *not* excessive caution. It’s being willing to dial risk management activities up and down situationally to deal with the concrete manifesting risks.

    #58597
    gurusid
    Participant

    HI Ilargi,

    “The government is intentionally doing such a shitty job, might as well let the for-profit boys do it.”

    Yes I get irony, but if only the privit corporate sector (deliberate typo – it should be ‘cut’ regularly – in the past ‘corporations were created for a purpose THEN destroyed) could do better. No such luck looking at Rail, Justice and a whole load other areas including the existing privatised sections of so called NHS – optic, orthodontic, real estate, traffic management/storage, drug and equipment provision (Group 4, Carillion, “Big Pharma”?).

    John Gall’s ‘System antics’ points to how systems that are set up to do something, often a noble thing, tend towards becoming self obsessed entities growing uncontrollably. Welcome to corporatocracy. Add in thanatophobia and a denial of death and consultant-ism we have a perfect mix of extremely expensive treatments developed by highly paid consultants – experts in their own ivory towers fields aimed at morbidly sick people, whose suffering and dignity is made all the worse by being paraded on freak show tv that lauds the ‘wonderful genius’ of said freak show proprietors doctors. Elephant Man anyone? https://youtu.be/sF19L00KbAI
    There is a point in the film where the doctor asks the question: “Are we any different than the Freak Show owner?” … or words to that effect.
    Still, apparently its all about the economy, so I must be stoopid…

    How impossible is it to get basic health care for everyone at reasonable cost with low levels of iatrogenesis – illness caused by the medical system itself – witness knee-jerk reaction of intubating patients that actually causes higher risk of death rather than simply supplying the patient with oxygen. Note: BoJo got oxygen… can we liberate government form the neo-liberal intubation and put it onto to some inspirational oxygen?

    L,
    Sid.

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