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    Giotto Legend of St Francis, Exorcism of the Demons at Arezzo c.1297-1299   • Declassified FBI Spreadsheet Exposes Folly Of Steele Dossier (JTN)
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle October 13 2020]

    #64358
    zerosum
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    Today is a good selection of opinions

    …. it did not “ring a bell.” – James Comey

    “Medieval man was a cog in a wheel he did not understand; modern man is a cog in a complicated system he thinks he understands.” – Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    The web is informing us of many possible alternative opinions/options and is dividing the few people that care to make a selection of an opinion/option that result in a majority.

    Voting does not result in getting the best option, Voting is the process selecting, getting a majority, of the options presented for a vote.

    #64359
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    Exorcism of the Demons at Arezzo c.1297-1299

    The dark demon, at the lower left, resembles a certain US president.

    #64361

    Forgot to mention earlier that J&J compared the 60.000 participants in its vaccine trial to a’small village’, and I wondered what the population in larger villages in J&J land is.

    #64362
    anticlimactic
    Participant

    This US election is bizarre as there is only one candidate : Trump.

    People will vote FOR Trump or AGAINST Trump. Others will vote just on party lines. I just can’t see people voting FOR Biden.

    I suspect replacing Biden with a dead turkey would not affect the outcome by much!

    #64363
    Maxwell Quest
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    “In mid-2016, the FBI got word that Russian intelligence believed Hillary Clinton’s campaign was planning to frame Donald Trump as colluding with Russia’s Vladimir Putin to hack her computers. Yet somehow, the crack agents never connected the dots when handed the Steele “dossier” commissioned and paid for by the Clinton campaign that claimed Trump was colluding with Putin.”

    “Yet somehow”? Really, Post? Talk about non-reporting! This article is an FBI ‘white-wash’ special.

    “Nor did it connect the dots to another “Russiagate” lead, the third-hand rumors passed along by a Clinton-allied diplomat that supposedly implicated another Trump aide, George Papadopoulos.”

    Wow, such incompetence! All those big dots with bright flashing arrows pointing in the direction of the Obama regime. What a puzzler! So confusing! Getting dizzy!

    “The news of the 2016 intel comes from Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe’s gradual release of Russiagate records — which show that the true scandal was the investigation conspiracy itself.”

    There, fixed it.

    “The Russians had determined that Clinton wanted to blame Trump for the hacking of Democratic National Committee e-mails to distract from the growing scandal over her use of a non-secure home-brew server for official business as secretary of state.”

    As Secretary of State, why have a secret, unofficial email server? That’s not suspicious at all. What would those emails have shown? That Hillary leveraged her position in a pay-to-play scheme to stuff the Clinton Foundation with hundreds of millions in tax-free cash? No dots here.

    The Post really put their crack team on this one, the Editorial Board, all hand-picked, not for journalistic excellence, but because of their loyalty to the establishment.

    #64364
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    If you watch this video by Dr. Chris Martenson, you just might come away from it thinking that even if many Covid patients were masking, there might be a lot more Covid patients without masking policies. Remember, the idea behind masking is to afford a measure of protection not to yourself, but to the elderly and people with chronic conditions you encounter in public places.

    Even if I’m wrong about face-masking, the only real harm it does is to the egos of right-wing special snowflakes. Compelling people to accept a jab of a vaccine that hasn’t been properly tested, however, is another matter entirely. In such a situation, the government doing the compelling very well could and very likely would be forcing people to take something into their bodies that has the potential do serious and egregious harm. There would be nothing rational whatsoever about such a policy.

    #64365
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “two retired military officers published a piece in Defense One which literally encouraged America’s top military leadership to have the 82nd airborne to descend on Washington … and escort President Trump”

    Yeah, we know. We’ve known most of this since the 90’s but no one would believe the obvious. The named, self-published papers they all wrote and signed. Like PNAC. “change is likely to be a long one absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor.” –1998. Like Gonzo reporters Hunter S. Thompson wrote … back with Nixon. Same thing, year after year, president after president, decade after decade. So like this is new? The only new thing is that people finally believe it. Some of them.

    …And don’t forget last week’s NY Times where they said Biden (Harris, really) would go to the U.N. and demand they interfere – authorizing these very U.S. Generals, and actively CAUSING a civil war, since no one else is suicidal enough to tangle with the American public, and have them remove Cheeto under U.N. Mandate. …Whatever that is, as they have no authority I’m aware of except voluntarily. Every nation on earth tells them to suck it twice a week: Iran, NoKo, Israel, U.K., us. So whatever.

    On the flip side, it’s the same kind of generals who set up “America First” and conscripted Cheeto into the Military Intel plan to dump the CIA, NeoCons, and Internationalists before America was utterly destroyed with their antics, and retreat back to our borders under “America First” plan. …A plan that I’m pretty sure does NOT involve arresting all self-same generals that were happy to, and totally failed to, take over the planet in illegal wars in Iraq and 25 other nations. No no no. And the reporters that exposed them. Tsk tsk. But less evil is better than more evil in my estimation. Start heading the right direction and who knows where you’ll end up – with actual law and human rights, who knows?

    Kidnapping Dissent: The Whitmer Plot and the End of Freedom (MPN)”

    Pretty interesting. And notice the police state and police informants are more common than 1960’s East Germany. Like Santa Claus they are everywhere. The Soviets could only but dream of the secret spying state we have, with every thought recorded, and D.A.s letting anyone go who is a rapist kidnapper murderer and any innocent or person who defends themselves – or even lacks a mask while paddling on the open seas – is rounded up and imprisoned. God truly shed his grace on thee. But the interesting thing to revisit is that BLM, Boog & the boys are all mashed up into one now.

    When they say “Far right” “far left” it means literally nothing, and that’s hard to internalize at first. So these “Far right” MI are “anti-government” (AntiTrump government?) and want to attack government people and buildings to bring down government. …But the “Far Left” in Portland, nationwide, ALSO want attack and bring down government. But how can Right and Left BOTH want no government, be revolutionaries, anarchists? Isn’t the “Right”, as per the origin in Assembly of French Revolution “For the King”? That is, PRO-Government, at least Pro-Police, pro-order, pro-theoretical-national values or something? Not no mo’. It’s whatever I said it was a second ago, and will change next time I open my mouth.

    And ACLU, SPLC, count the deadly, dangerous “Right” as being “Ethnonationalists”, that is, they want to establish government based on race, skin color, etc. Meanwhile, all-black NFAC (or others) is on the “LEFT” while being BLACK ethnonationalists. So Left and Right are a function of skin color now? Same policies, same beliefs, same methods, different color makes them OPPOSITES? And not policies, politics, beliefs? And that’s with the Left being majority 70% White? While the Proud Boys are Afro-Cuban, including gays, latinos, and other minorities. Uh-huh.

    So what they’re saying is, “My side right or wrong.” “My side” being like Jr. High School girls “me and my tribe, whoever I let in the treehouse today”, for example, Farrakhan AND the Jews, AND the Muslims, AND the gays. Until it isn’t. Then they round you up in prison, like DeBlasio. Their words, sentences, paragraphs, outlook, paradigms, make no sense at all.

    Don’t credit their “Left – Right” whoever when they claim a person is such without bothering to find out. They are adult Americans who are speaking. In the media. Therefore they are lying. Their brains have melted into mush, which is what happens when you tamper with and erase the definitions of words.

    the COVID-19 pandemic offers a unique opportunity to fundamentally alter the structure of society,”

    I have very naughty words for them. But I think they’ve already found their high-water mark and are losing constantly everywhere, BoJo and Cheeto being two prime examples. Society doesn’t want to be “Fundamentally altered” (as Obama said) by raw force and extraction, nations and peoples want to be who they are WITHOUT you manipulating them and telling them what to do. And they’ve hit the beehive enough they’re about to get stung. Maybe badly. By the Yellow Jackets.

    “all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

    We are long past that point. You’re fired.

    The study offers insight into the reality that tens of thousands of Americans are acquiring COVID-19 on a daily basis despite overwhelming adherence to mask wearing.”

    The will never, never re-instate science. They will never, ever admit fault. You will have to go make them get off your neck and back down. This may require prison for those who recommended this false, unscientific path.

    “Medieval man was a cog in a wheel he did not understand; modern man is a cog in a complicated system he thinks he understands.” – Nassim Nicholas Taleb

    Ah but you’re wrong: the medieval man totally understood his world and his place in it. I’m not sure modern man thinks they do. This is just a way to say again: “We’re better than you, progress, evolved, ** I ** am smarter than all our fathers combined.” Therefore EGO, we can’t return to the things we once did that worked. While we clear-cut the world, clear the seas, release 40,000-year poisons over whole continents, re-instate slavery, live organ harvesting, and commit multi-million mass murder and for no discernable reason year after year. Tell me again how Pisanello and Jan van Eyck are backward and we’re the paragon of love, tolerance, and virtue. I’m having trouble believing.

    #64366
    Bill7
    Participant

    ‘The Covidian Cult’, by CJ Hopkins:

    Mmm, for some reason I cannot provide the link; those interested will need to do a search.

    -Bill7

    #64367
    Susmarie108
    Participant

    Eyes wide opened this AM. The ‘Kidnapping Dissent’ article is today’s show stopper. The FBI is leveraging opportunities created by “extremist capitalist oligarchs” to exploit us – you can see it in real time unfolding in the Whitmer case (which is beginning to look like entrapment with the FBI leading the charge). Examining the role of the FBI in this case should be enlightening.

    The article starts out by handing us the answer to yesterday’s question: How is it that folks come around to support issues/candidates/parties/banks/markets/industries/institutions/media/individuals that undermine their own self-interest?

    Answer: “Stoked for decades by an extremist capitalist oligarchy which has slowly and methodically disabled the levers of democracy to achieve its interests, the latent racial tensions that haunt America’s collective psyche are being exploited in ways never before possible with the advent of online disinformation mashups, like QAnon, Antifa, BLM and others along the spectrum of modern-day social media constructs.”

    The extremist capitalist oligarchs stole the “American settler” culture myth and used it against us. Divide and conquer – mission accomplished.

    “A white separatist and former Marine named Randy Weaver would be targeted by federal agents in what came to be known as the Ruby Ridge standoff; a landmark event in the formation of an anti-government subculture in the U.S., underpinned by a loose framework of White Supremacist ideologies rooted in the foundational myths of American settler culture and encouraged by their radical billionaire patrons who built a political machine at their expense and have set the stage for our current political reality.”

    How effectively the extremist capitalist oligarchs and the FBI work together to shape-shift our destiny. Durham and Whitmer cases have a common thread….the WINNING beneficiaries are not us.

    #64368
    zerosum
    Participant

    J & J and 60.000 participants

    • Johnson&Johnson Covid19 Vaccine Study Paused Due To Unexplained Illness (STAT)

    How do you pause the study after giving the vaccine to 60,000 people?

    Ever heard about locking the door after ALL the horses left?

    #64369
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @ Mr. Roboto

    Who are you arguing with? Everyone here probably wears a mask when they go out in public (minus when you’re just walking outside), so who are you trying to convince? We’re following the “rules”, is believing what i’ve been told about this now part of following the “rules”? I only ask because it seems like all of your comments have to do with masks.

    With regards to a vaccine, i wonder if the elites will do the same with that as they did when “drinking” the water in Flint Michigan a few years back.

    #64370
    thomasjkenney
    Participant

    @Mr Roboto:

    Even if I’m wrong about face-masking, the only real harm it does is to the egos of right-wing special snowflakes.

    Well, you’re also wrong about the ego thing. Masks are dehumanizing. If you don’t feel it, you might already be a sociopath.

    #64371
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Masks are dehumanizing.

    You bet they are! In particular, I think of all the infants and small children now not able to see their
    parents’, especially their mothers’, faces.. this is *not good*.

    #64372
    a kullervo
    Participant

    Greetings,

    Ultimately, I blame David Lynch (Twin Peaks) and Chris Carter (X-Files): both are major culprits in the rise of the federal agent to pop star status. It’s not hard to imagine that, from the 90’s onward, every starry-eyed boy and gal entering the Bureau were imagining themselves righting all the world’s wrongs, blowing out machinations, conspiracies, rotten oranges (see what I did here?), bat soups and werewolves.
    After all, we are at roughly the third generation of Americans (and many other western-styled world citizens) raised on a steady diet of assorted psychotropics (humming along Amy Winehouse’s “Rehab“.) No wonder they all hate and are unable to understand Mr. Trump, a proclaimed teetotaler (arguably he doesn’t understand them either).

    @Raúl Ilargi Meijer

    Dear Sir,

    Thank you for the outstanding work.

    #64373

    How I wear my mask:
    With contempt. On my wrist. Under my chin. Tucked daintily in my top pocket. Over and over and over again. Never in front of a child.
    When I need to respect a business that asks me to wear it (politely- it’s not their fault) I pull it out from the bottom so I can breathe.
    On a busy day out and about, I see a few dozen of them littering the sidewalks and streets. I think I’ll start collecting them in a clear plastic bag and carry it with me. I can wash the fancy ones and sell them: Recycled Masks- Cheap!

    There’s a scene in a Heinlein novel where the protagonists get off the spaceship and have to buy oxygen. “You thought the air was free?” asks one of the other.

    I do not wear a mask because I want to protect anyone from anything. I wear one because a fake law says I have to.
    I used to think I was a germaphobe.

    I’m still not sure I am not trapped in a nightmare.

    “I wish I could be more optimistic, and maybe offer some sort of plan of action, but the only historical parallel I can think of is how Christianity “converted” the pagan world … which doesn’t really bode so well for us. While you’re sitting at home during the “second wave” lockdowns, you might want to brush up on that history.” CJ Hopkins, “The Covidian Cult”

    A long time back, I spent a couple days reading thousands of comments from people in Pennsylvania, where a law was proposed (enacted?) that made children responsible for the debt of their parents.
    Parents do not always love their children, but children instinctively think they do. When kids figure out the truth, there is some bitterness, to say the least. These were some very bitter children. Pennsylvania was going to have a hard time enforcing such a law.
    A CON is when someone gets you trust them and ends up leaving you bitter, resentful, humiliated, furious.
    When the bill comes for this fake pandemic, there are going to be some bitter, resentful, humiliated, furious people. I hope.

    The WHO; the CDC; your devoted public servant: THEY DO NOT LOVE YOU. They do not have your best interests at heart. Stop trusting them.
    It is not compassionate to leave oldsters alone in the hands of the deeply caring folks [/s!!!!] at “care” homes. It is not altruistic to maim the psyches of young people. It is not compassionate to put unhappy families in a jar and then shake it. It is not altruistic to trash livelihoods while making the overlords richer.

    The numbers have never supported the response.

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