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    Salvador Dali Cadaques 1923   • Russia Is Seeking Swift End To Ukraine Conflict – Turkey (RT) • Ukraine is Not a New Afghanistan (Batiushka) • Ge
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle September 20 2022]

    #116315
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    I do so want to post; but have absolutely no idea what to say……..
    I read the Debt Rattles every day and cannot muster a thing I think is worth it’s salt…

    #116316
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    Potemkin is credited with one of the most successful fake village campaigns -you know, building a village which consisted of just a facade, with a few actors in the foreground, and then moving it to the next location to be visited by Catherine the Great (who wasn’t even Russian), re-erecting, dismantling, re-erecting….

    Then there was the fake ‘we lost the Battle of Waterloo’ message that Rothschild use to depress the market so he could buy up everything at rock bottom prices (knowing that Napoleon had lost).

    And the fake army that was constructed in Kent to convince the Germans that the D-Day invasion would be at Calais.

    And the fake narratives surrounding 9/11 that joined the fake narratives about DDT, phthalidomide, asbestos etc.,.etc..And the fake ‘domino theory’ that was a pretext for the Vietnam War.

    Then the fake narratives about ‘weapons of mass destruction’, able to be launched at a moment’s notice, that would rain down on the capital so of Europe. -as delivered by Tony B Liar. .

    And there is the completely fake systems ‘economists’ have been using for decades to measure economic activity.

    And completely fake financial system that has operated in Anglophone nations since 1695.

    The fake queen died recently, and her role has been taken over by her son, the fake king.

    Governments churn out completely fake narratives about ‘sustainable’ energy systems, ‘hydrogen economies’, ‘green technology’, and more recently fake narratives about vaccines that weren’t (aren’t) even vaccines at all, and masks that did (do) next-to-nothing to protect the wearers.

    Governments churn out fake and completely absurd ‘long-term plans’ which are copied-and-pasted by all government agencies ad infinitum.

    Just how many politicians have acquired power via fake elections is unclear, but we do know for certain there is no democracy in any nation that loudly proclaims its core democratic values.

    One thing is certain: when fakery is the basis of a society and fakery is the prime mode of operation, that society is utterly doomed.

    #116317
    Dr. D
    Participant

    24th is the end of the (7 year) Shemitah (5782), because Rosh Hashanah is the new year and starts 25-28. These guys grew up with the same calendar, which safely changes Julian dates each year, and the guys who follow THOSE guys are aware of it and will ALSO screw with them on those dates.

    Calendars and traditions: it’s the song that never ends, it goes on and on my friends.

    I’ve been looking at it more. Look at it from Europe’s point of view: 1980, when they set all this up.
    They know their oil is out. Even Britain has some, but Europe not enough. Any imports will make the exporter strong, and anyone with easier access will eclipse them. Can they really control all the world for all time like that? I mean, forever? And what about the meantime while it’s being installed? BUT, if you could get everybody ELSE to slit their own throats and not use oil – or as Nicole would say: “Liquid Hegemonic Power” – then Europe could keep up by having hamstrung everyone else and brought them to their low level.

    But how on earth would you ever get the rest of the world to buy into such a preposterous plan, that would cripple themselves to Europe’s advantage??? And not use carbon??? Even to save their own lives? Back in oil-rich Venezuela and Russia? Then they would never have to depend on anybody’s gas. Because if I can’t have any, nobody else can either. And You’ll get nothing and like it!!!

    Well you’re not going to get it by saying bad things, nobody’s going to sign up for that. They’ll resist and go around you. You have to get their OWN buy in. By saying aspirational things about magic futures with flying electric cars, AND of course fear, terror, death (yum), cats and dogs, living together. And everyone needed to be more like perfect Europe, instead of being like they are back home. You know, like being quiet, living in small independent homes, and gardening out the front door like they do in Africa (brrrr) and South America (yuck), and also in the most deplorable parts of America (booo!) That kind of ecology Must. Be. Stopped.

    Just thinking. Given their terrible position, what else could Europe do? Give up?

    Biden — who they say is the President – says the pandemic is over. The White House says no. Therefore Joe is not the President. This is not the first time, on Taiwan, Russia, etc, everything Joe says, the White House just contradicts, day after day. So Joe is not the President? The Press Secretary is the President? The Chief of Staff? Kyle running his Twitter page? Who’s the President here? Because the White House says it isn’t Joe.

    But this isn’t new. The “White House” also contradicted everything Trump said, and refused to do anything he ordered either. We probably haven’t had a President running things since Nixon.

    We haven’t rescinded an “Emergency” since before WWII. They’re all still in place. Because: emergency. That means you have no God-given Rights. And we have no accounting for the money. Ever again. Why would we stop? Everything I do in an emergency is now “legal” so Make me.

    “Turkey has maintained contacts with both Moscow and Kiev throughout the hostilities.”

    Um, why would you not do this? All 200 countries? Because if nobody talks we have the opportunity to kill so many, many more children? Is that it?

    “The USA has been expanding eastwards across the Atlantic for over three generations now”

    Batiushka has some interesting views on this. You mean after they first expanded WEST from Europe (and not exclusively England as they pretend, 40% of immigrants were German, others were Irish and Italian. Not as many “English” at all) THEN “they” go East? We know what he means, but it’s too-sloppy thinking.

    “Germany Boosting Russian Imports – Trade Mission (RT)”

    Like the U.S., boycotting them so much, their trade has doubled!

    “French Warned of Winter Blackouts (RT)”

    No mention of prices to the homes they “won’t shut off”. And zero measures for the most PAINFULLY obvious things: Up to 20% lost in transmission. Another 20% lost to vampire cubes and TVs ready-on. France should hand out $2 plug strips and a pamphlet. NOPE! We will SHUT DOWN FRANCE, and LIVE IN THE DARK before we conserve nothin’! Quelle Horror Maximum! We will unplug exactly NOTHING. I guess grandmere don’t get the CPAP machine tonight.

    Remember how much we care-care-care? That we’ll destroy every small business on planet earth to make Jeff Bezos rich save Grandma? But then they asked us to unplug our charging cubes and electric clocks from the third bedroom. “I’ll do anything for Love, but I won’t do that!”

    ““…70% of nitrogen fertilizer production capacities in the EU have already been stopped, aluminum production has been reduced by 25%, and steel production by 5%.”

    That’s odd, because Russian fertilizer production is going swell. You can have all you want! Limitless amounts. No shortage at all. And 300Tons is 10 semi trucks, a drop in the bucket. We’re talking continent-sized amounts needed.

    “the windfall tax’s aim is the same as the aim of the revenue ceiling: manage energy costs in a runaway inflation environment and get some additional money to, according to the plan, distribute”

    That is: a complete merger of corporation and state whereby we go “FROM each according to their ability, TO each according to their need.” What economic-political system is that?

    Oh and you need to stop having “ability” and any “profit” or “Capital” that can be stolen immediately. That means no work is done, nothing will be produced. In a shortage. #Helping!!!

    “(IAEA) visited the facility earlier this month, confirming damage caused by multiple shelling incidents, but declining to attribute them to either side.”

    A day ending in “Y” so we have to hear about how Russia is shelling themselves again. And, how a nation that is shelling ITSELF, is a really-smart, critical-danger and will win the war by doing that unless we act NOW!!! Russiaphrenia. …If Russia was shelling themselves every day, we’d only have to “No. Please. Stop.” And wait.

    “Today’s plutocrats have little interest in truly free markets. Unlike J.D. Rockefeller, Andrew Carnegie, J.P. Morgan…”

    You mean the guy who said “Competition is a Sin”? Yeah, he and Standard Oil, a worldwide monopoly from the ground to GM’s removal of trollys, was a “Truly free market”.

    “those with great wealth today often champion government intervention in markets.”

    But unlike when JP Morgan championed creating a Federal Reserve, 100 years ago, buying up all of COngress right to the President to do so, passing it in the middle of Christmas night. Government and industry never aligned, like with every rail project and billionaire since 1840, savaging land rights, local towns, even running their own Blackwater police force. Nope! Never happened.

    What is it about “Those who don’t learn history”? Yeah, they’re retards, and sound like it when they write prominent articles, then fatally misinforming all the children who vote for tyranny on their advice. What about Capitalism is the merger of corporation and state, erasing all rights and laws?

    “ Whistleblower: FBI Uses Jan. 6 Cases to Create Illusion of National Crisis (JTN)”

    Pretty simple. What is it, 15 out of 18 of the last mass shooters were leftists? I’m being generous, the others may be too and at least one was watched by the FBI as he arranged the crime.

    Shop teacher “Kayla” Lemieux, like Mr. Garrison on South Park, has indemnified himself against being fired. Ever. For any cause. Could probably rape students all day now and they would say “Hold on there! Let’s not be hasty! This here is a victim of CIS-gender patriarchy, a deeply oppressed minority.” Why would you NOT put on a pink sweater, sign a form saying you are a male transgender woman presenting as male, and laugh while you put your feet up on your desk for the next 20 years, drinking Molson twofer in class? I would. You’d literally be crazy not to. Those are the rules. And the rules are the rules. As that company showed this week: we only fire a certain specific race, and a certain specific gender. All you have to do is PRETEND you are not that group, and we’ll PRETEND you’re not either.

    However, the Left won’t choke on their own crimes. I will.

    So…8% compounded is a good thing? 50% in five years. Don’t worry, the White House says “Don’t listen to that guy. He’s not the President.” Did you hear his response to being too old and having dementia? Badakathcare.
    Trunalimunumaprzure.

    I will DIE for this man and his cause. My heart is already swollen and achy from it.

    #116320
    Afewknowthetruth
    Participant

    We all know there is ‘very little inflation’ (well so small you can ignore it). That is why the cans of baked beans that were 80 cents early this year, and which went to $1 a few months ago, were $1.20 in the supermarket today. Didn’t buy them; I still have stock bought for 80 cents, and use them sparingly. Up 50% in six months would suggest they will be $2 a can early next year.

    Can’t complain, though. In other nations electricity is intermittent and headed for unaffordable, whilst food is headed for unavailable.

    Who else remembers the opening scenes of ‘The Road’? Unable to cope any longer, the mother goes out into the freezing cold to commit suicide via hypothermia.

    The father protects the boy, as they move through a landscape charcterised by death, destruction, starvation and cannibalism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Road_(2009_film)

    #116322
    John Day
    Participant

    Dr. D said (and a poster on my blog has pointed this out, related to “jubilee”)
    [September] “24th is the end of the (7 year) Shemitah (5782), because Rosh Hashanah is the new year and starts 25-28.”

    AFKTT leads with a useful post this morning…

    Poland and Hungary have each others backs in the EU-punishment-quorum. They will likely exit at the same time. they have national differences, to be sure, but they have each others backs, and each might reclaim some of “Ukraine”.

    #116324
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    So how about that photograph of the Canadian schoolteacher on Kunstler’s blog whom I will from hereon out refer to as “Mx. Gazongas”? Hopefully this is an indicator that the whole social justice thing has officially jumped the shark.

    #116325
    John Day
    Participant

    Kitchen sinks are in and plumbing complete at the new house (photo). “Schrodinger’s One China Policy”
    https://drjohnsblog.substack.com/p/schrodingers-one-china-policy

    This needle of “One China Policy”, while militarily supporting Taiwan, never got threaded.
    Nixon/Kissinger/Mao punted, and Deng Xiaopeng and Jimmy Carter happily punted again, later.
    The Chinese Civil War, between Mao’s forces and Chiang’s forces, with the west/US backing Chiang Kai-shek, who lost to Mao, stalemated with Chiang moving his army and much of the national-treasure to Taiwan. Taiwan was the legal property of Japan from 1895 to 1945, granted by the Chinese government to Japan, in settlement of the Sino-Japanese War, which Japan won (helped by the US). “Formosa” had seen immigration from Chinese farmers for about 200 years prior to that, but had never been “CHINA”, as now portrayed by the PRC.
    Taiwan had been lost by Japan, to “China”, at the end of WW-2, and “Nationalist China” took possession. It became more difficult to recognize Taiwanese sovereignty over mainland China as time passed. The opportunity to split the PRC from the USSR arose, and Kissinger/Nixon took it. The deal was that the PRC got a better economic deal from the US, than from the USSR, but that the physical status of Taiwan would not change. That could not be written in those words.
    Deng Xiaopeng was a forward-looking Chinese Nationalist, not an egoist, and resurrected the vision of Sun Yat Sen, who both Mao and Chiang followed, and who died young of cancer. He and Jimmy Carter, a non-egoistic American nationalist, were able to improve the deal for both countries, by leaving the issue of Taiwan alone.
    The issue of Taiwan is that it is functionally an independent nation, but that the PRC would be humiliated to acknowledge that openly. That truth cannot be spoken in “China”. It would be suicidal for any Chinese ruler to grant Taiwan independence openly. Taking-Taiwan-Back is always a political safety-valve for national cohesion, like getting-revenge-on-Japan.
    Today, Taiwan makes critical computer chips that the whole world needs, a lot of them. There is not a ready replacement. The PRC cannot be allowed to commandeer that capacity by the US, Japan, UK, NATO, etc. That will not be allowed. That is the physical fact. Taiwanese chip manufacturing can be destroyed quickly, so the actual prize can be denied. The PRC face-saving would be very costly, and only a 50:50 possibility at the massive price of lives lost.
    ​ ​The Senate Foreign Relations Committee voted 17-5 in favor of the Taiwan Policy Act of 2022, which according to its text “promotes the security of Taiwan, ensures regional stability, and deters People’s Republic of China (PRC) aggression against Taiwan. It also threatens severe sanctions against the PRC for hostile action against Taiwan.”​ …
    ..In addition to authorizing $4.5 billion in military assistance, $2 billion in loan guarantees, and boosting “war reserve stockpile” funding for Taiwan by hundreds of millions of dollars, the bill also grants Taiwan many of the benefits of being a “major non-NATO ally” without officially designating it as such…
    ..Senate Foreign Relations Chair Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), who introduced the bill with Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), said that the proposed legislation “makes clear the United States does not seek war or increased tensions with Beijing.”
    “Just the opposite,” he claimed. “We are carefully and strategically lowering the existential threats facing Taiwan by raising the cost of taking the island by force so that it becomes too high a risk and unachievable.”
    https://www.commondreams.org/news/2022/09/15/anti-war-voices-warn-us-bill-taiwan-will-make-war-much-more-likely

    ​ ​President Joe Biden issued a surprisingly blunt response when asked in a CBS “60 Minutes” interview what the US reaction would be if China decided to invade Taiwan.
    ​ ​Biden answered “yes” when asked whether American forces would defend the self-ruled island if it came under Chinese military invasion. “Yes, if, in fact, there was an unprecedented attack,” he said in a sit-down with Scott Pelley, which aired in full Sunday night.
    ​ ​However, Biden was quick to reiterate that the US maintains a “One China” policy and doesn’t currently support Taiwan’s political independence. But he was asked again to clarify if, unlike in Ukraine, the US military would intervene directly in the event of a Chinese invasion, to which the president replied: “Yes.”​ …
    ..​China’s foreign ministry was quick to slam the 60 Minutes comments, saying the US should stop sending “wrong signals” concerning Taiwan “independence”:
    ​ ​”​​We are willing to do our best to strive for peaceful reunification. At the same time, we will not tolerate any activities aimed at secession,” FM spokesperson Mao Ning said.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/biden-again-vows-us-forces-would-defend-taiwan-if-china-invades

    US Launched 251 Military Interventions Since 1991​
    ​The US military launched 469 foreign interventions since 1798, including 251 since the end of the first cold war in 1991, according to official Congressional Research Service data.​ ​https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-launched-251-military-interventions-since-1991-469-since-1798/5793867

    #116326
    John Day
    Participant

    ​ ​Moscow has reiterated that its nuclear doctrine is self-explanatory, with top Russian officials repeatedly stating that the conflict in Ukraine does not meet any of its criteria. The statement followed US President Joe Biden’s threat of a harsh, “consequential” response should Russia use weapons of mass destruction.
    ​ ​“Read the doctrine, everything is written there,” Kremlin Press Secretary Dmitry Peskov told RIA Novosti…
    ​ ​According to Russia’s nuclear posture, Moscow reserves the right to use atomic weapons only “in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against Russia or its allies,” as well as “in response to a conventional attack that threatens the very existence” of Russia as a sovereign state.
    https://www.rt.com/russia/563021-russia-nuclear-doctrine-ukraine/

    ​ ​A “referendum” on joining Russia should be held “immediately,” the Civic Chamber of the Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR) said on Monday. The body addressed the LPR’s leader, Leonid Pasechnik, as well as the republic’s legislature, urging them to speed up the process and hold the vote as soon as possible.
    ​ ​“The residents of Donbass made their choice back in 2014 at the self-determination referendum of the Lugansk People’s Republic, and all these years we have been waiting and believing that the second one will definitely follow, which will fulfill our dream of returning home – to the Russian Federation,” the deputy head of the Chamber, Lina Vokalova, stated.
    ​ ​Holding a vote is now crucial for the republic, as “the events of recent days have shown that the Kiev nationalists have crossed all the red lines,” she stressed.
    ​ ​“The Nazis mercilessly shell and stage terrorist acts against the civilian population of the Lugansk People’s Republic, seeking to scare us, and make us give up our dream and our ultimate goal – to join the Russian Federation,” Vokalova added.
    https://www.rt.com/russia/563113-lpr-vote-to-join-russia/

    ​ ​This is valuable grain, and valuable fertilizer, in the hands of global for-profit enterprises​. “Ownership” is a secondary​ concern, right?
    There has to be some way around 300,000 tons of fertilizer being stripped out of those hands and just given-away to poor countries to feed people…
    ​ ​The UN’s top official has pledged to help Russia donate some 300 tons of fertilizers stranded in European ports to developing nations.
    ​ ​“If Russia wants to provide fertilizers free of charge to developing countries, I believe the World Food Programme will be able to implement that desire,” Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said in an interview with the Russian news agency RIA Novosti…
    ..Putin previously criticized the grain deal, saying that while it was touted as a way to help poor countries deal with surging global food prices, in practice Ukrainian exports mostly went to rich EU nations.
    ​ ​The abundance of grain and other food products from Ukraine on European markets has apparently angered local producers, who are struggling to compete with the cheaper imports, the Wall Street Journal reported last week.
    ​ ​The EU previously had quotas and steep tariffs for Ukraine trade, protecting its own farmers and forcing Ukrainians to export most of their produce to other places. But the restrictions were lifted after Russia attacked the country in February, and European governments rushed to support Kiev with various forms of assistance.
    https://www.rt.com/russia/563079-russian-fertilizer-donation-un/

    Europe, More Than Putin, Must Shoulder the Blame for the Energy Crisis
    ​ ​ The same arrogant, self-righteous posturing from the West that fueled the Ukraine war is now plunging Europe into recession
    The West is well practiced in waging economic war on weak states, usually in a futile attempt to topple leaders they don’t like or as a softening-up exercise before it sends in troops or proxies.
    ​ ​Iran has faced decades of sanctions that have inflicted a devastating toll on its economy and population but done nothing to bring down the government.
    ​ ​Meanwhile, Washington is waging what amounts to its own form of economic terrorism on the Afghan people to punish the ruling Taliban for driving out US occupation forces last year in a humiliating fashion. The United Nations reported last month that sanctions had contributed to the risk of more than a million Afghan children dying from starvation.

    Europe, More Than Putin, Must Shoulder the Blame for the Energy Crisis

    #116327
    John Day
    Participant

    Cutting off any nation that pursues its own national interests is the best way for the EU to preserve its inadequate funds.
    ​ The European Commission on Sunday proposed withholding $7.5 billion in funds allocated to Hungary, due to corruption concerns. The suspension is aimed at protecting the bloc’s budget, according to Budget Commissioner Johannes Hahn.
    “Today’s decision is a clear demonstration of the Commission’s resolve to protect the EU budget, and use all tools at our disposal to ensure this important objective,” the commissioner told reporters…
    ​..​If approved, the funding cut will be the first punitive measure of its kind under the EU’s rule of law mechanism, which gives Brussels the right to impose financial penalties on member states if their actions are seen as violating EU values. Brussels triggered the unprecedented procedure against Hungary in April this year..
    ​.​.“A risk for the budget at this stage remains, therefore we cannot conclude that the EU budget is sufficiently protected,” he stated.
    https://www.rt.com/business/563044-eu-hungary-funds-measures/

    ​Poland has Hungary’s back, as Hungary has had Poland’s back. Each pursues policies in their national interests, though they diverge on sanctioning Russia.
    Protecting each other from unanimous EU censure has been important.
    ​https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/eu-threatens-suspend-eu75bn-hungary-funding-amid-charges-cozying-putin

    ​Charles Hugh Smith points out that any system needs internal error-correction : ​
    Peering Into the Crystal Ball, We See… Instability Leading to Collapse
    We can only choose one: open, dynamic stability (evolution) or autocracy (instability and collapse).
    When the fundamentals of life change, every organism must evolve or die. This is equally true of human organizations, societies and economies.
    Evolution requires conserving what still works and experimenting until something comes along that works better. We call the fundamentals changing selective pressure and the process of experimenting with mutations / variations natural selection.
    http://charleshughsmith.blogspot.com/2022/09/peering-into-crystal-ball-we-see.html

    #116328
    John Day
    Participant

    Canadian Report Calls for Discontinuing Mass V. for Those Under 60
    The report, researched by academics and civil servants, active or retired, has as core recommendation to discontinue the injections for those under the age of 60.
    https://covexit.substack.com/p/canadian-report-calls-for-discontinuing

    COVID Vaccinations Now Prohibited in People Under 50 in Denmark
    ​ ​If you are under the age of 50, the Danish government says, then you are not allowed to take the shots. Previously, the Danish government prohibited the drug injections for everyone under the age of 18.

    COVID Vaccinations Now Prohibited in People Under 50 in Denmark

    ​Professor Anthony Hall: COVID as a “Political Gift”? Stillborn from COVID-injected Mothers, Heart Attacks in Children
    ​ The ethos of “never again” is conspicuously failing to arouse sufficient indignation to stop this unfolding crime against humanity.
    The requirements of getting Emergency Use Authorization for releasing COVID jabs to the public lay behind the sidelining of cheap, safe and effective remedies like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. The requirement of moving beyond EUA to obtain permanent liability protection for the COVID shots necessitates pushing the tainted injections on children.

    COVID as a “Political Gift”? Stillborn from COVID-injected Mothers, Heart Attacks in Children…

    1,323 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 900 Dead, After COVID Injection

    1,323 Athlete Cardiac Arrests, Serious Issues, 900 Dead, After COVID Injection

    Ivermectin + SOC Cohort Does Significantly Better Treatment for COVID-19 than Standard of Care Alone​
    ​..The Pakistani investigators report that the patients in the ivermectin study arm required a less time (8.39 days ± 2.04) to become COVID-19 negative than those patients not in the ivermectin arm (20.38 days ± 6.32), (p < 0.001). Executing a multinomial logistic regression analysis revealed that patients in the ivermectin group were four times more likely to be discharged home than stepping up to ICU—the ICU step up rate for ivermectin was 3.7% versus 13.04% in the non-ivermectin group.
    https://www.trialsitenews.com/a/civil-karachi-hospital-423-patient-study-ivermectin-soc-cohort-does-significantly-better-treatment-for-covid-19-than-standard-of-care-alone-2242034d

    #116329
    John Day
    Participant

    @Mr. Roboto: “Jumped the shark”, indeed.
    This is a shop-teacher with those massive prosthetic appendages.
    How can teacher reach the table saw or drill press?

    #116330
    John Day
    Participant

    @Dr. D: it’s 300,000 “tonnes” of unattended Russian-fertilizer sitting around in Europe, eyed by the vulture-capitalists there.

    #116331
    zerosum
    Participant

    Don’t end the Pandemic emergency
    Look at what the pandemic is hiding
    (Ideas on what to post)

    1. Quiet Quitting of news reporting and responses
    2. Ignoring Attacks on democracy and liberty
    3. Accepting stories without facts/proof/confirmations
    4. Crime against humanity. The requirements of getting Emergency Use Authorization for releasing COVID jabs to the public lay behind the sidelining of cheap, safe and effective remedies like Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.

    5. False inflation numbers
    6. Immunity
    7. Diversion of printed $$$$
    8, Excess mortality
    9. Humongous Social Group gatherings without mass deaths
    10. Civil Wars – Russia, Poland and Hungary reclaim some of “Ukraine”.
    11. unsustainable debts
    12. low rate of economic growth.
    13. Food insecurity
    14. “trade rupture”
    15. Energy production and distribution – intermittent and unaffordable, unavailable.
    16. Weather extremes
    17. Earthquakes, volcanoes, sun flares
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    100 years ago, the battle was for sharing the surplus. Now, it is for sharing the lack of it.

    • Why the World Economic Forum’s Plutocracy Should Be Dissolved (Shurk)

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    Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) said, “the FBI is manipulating cases related to the Jan. 6 Capitol riot to create “the illusion” that domestic violent extremism is a widespread problem in the United States.”

    • Whistleblower: FBI Uses Jan. 6 Cases To Create Illusion Of National Crisis (JTN)

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    #116332
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.rt.com/russia/563156-lugansk-vote-join-russia/
    Referendums to join the Russian Federation will be held in the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR) from September 23 to 27, the leaders of the states announced on Tuesday.

    LPR head Leonid Pasechnik was the first to sign a law on “holding a public referendum in the republic on the inclusion of the region into the Russian Federation,” after its parliament unanimously supported the move and set a date for the vote.

    The LPR’s decision was soon followed by DPR leader Denis Pushilin, who declared that his state would also be holding a similar referendum on the same date. Pushilin said he had already introduced the relevant legislation in the DPR’s parliament.

    Russia recognised the two territories as independent in February, but most of the world still regards them as part of Ukraine. However, Kiev lost de facto control of both in 2014, when the local populations rejected the outcome of the Western-backed Maidan coup.

    In a letter addressed to the Russian President Vladimir Putin, Pushilin urged the latter to consider incorporating the DPR in the territory of the Russian Federation if people approve the unification during the plebiscite.

    #116334

    The Kherson civic chamber is initiating a vote to join Russia in that region too. It is one of the regions Zelensky aims to attack next.

    #116335
    Mister Roboto
    Participant

    @John Day: I can’t help but imagine a scenario where the prosthetics are filled with a soapy gel, and the teacher accidentally slices them open by getting too close to a buzz-saw. “Oh, my gazongas, my massive gazongas”, they would cry as the soapy gel squirts all over the equipment, the students, and the desks! (Yeah, I probably watched too much “Monty Python” when I was a lad.)

    #116336
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “No stats for oil refineries but I can tell you that NZ’s only refinery was recently shut down.”

    Sorry if I confused: my remark on oil refineries addressed a post I’d made just before, which post failed to appear and is now lost in digital outer space. For the record, I do not believe that food processing centers are being deliberately sabotaged per some central plan.

    Nothing to See Here Recent fires at food processing facilities have some claiming there’s more going on than meets the eye. Experts aren’t convinced.

    “The truth, however, is that nothing is unusual about any of the fires that have occurred in food processing plants over the first few months of the year. Although no data is kept on fires that occur strictly at food processing facilities, the National Fire Incident Reporting System tracks fires within broader categories like manufacturing, refrigerated storage, and agricultural facilities. In 2019, the number of fires at all manufacturing or processing plants in the country topped 5,300—nearly 15 a day. Additionally, more than 2,000 fires occurred in agricultural, grain and livestock, and refrigerated storage facilities, which could all include food processing operations.”

    #116337
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    SInce European citizens won’t voluntarily submit to death by freezing and starvation, one assumes that the US powers that be have ample reason to create an October Surprise, but are nonetheless hesitant because they know that Russia and its allies could respond to such a surprise with some very surprising actions of their own.

    Looks to me that this was ends reither with a whimper (EU members abandoning the EU for in exchange for necessary Russian energy and other reasons) or a BANG (not necessarily nuclear; maybe ‘just’ a few hundred thousand electrical power transmission transformers going off in the course of an hour or a few days).

    #116338
    chooch
    Participant

    Dr. John,

    I get it. US policy is expressly geared toward facilitating escalation in the war, rather than facilitating a cessation of hostilities. But the presumption is that if NATO did not exist, Russia’s brutality would not exist and I doubt this is true either. And you can really substitute any government into that statement.

    Regarding the military aspect, it seems Russian generals are afraid to make mistakes which leads to centralization of decision making, the Russian army can’t work in multiple directions. Ukrainian forces seem to have combat brigades with more manoeuvrability which provides them an advantage over Russian forces in the moment. Due to the influx of weapons they can now nullify Russia’s artillery advantage.

    We are all being lied to. Nothing special about that or Putin’s Russia in this regard. If you don’t show up to the comment section without your martanov sneakers, lira baseball cap, Escobar sunglasses and a shiny new pair of orlov figure skates in your back pack. Be damned you fucking Nazi.

    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/09/18/pop-diva-alla-pugacheva-comes-out-against-the-war-a78826

    Your super cool John, thanks for your words. You too DB, I think your pretty cool, no worries.

    Most likely my last post. Take care.

    #116339
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    I will be flamingly arrogant and a literary snob and say that I read COrmac McCarthy’s amazing masterpiece, The Road, and don’t intend to sully that experience with some shitzoid Hollywood celluloid eczema.

    OPening page:

    “When he woke in the woods in the dark and the cold of the night he’d reach out to touch the child sleeping beside him. Nights dark beyond darkness and the days more gray each one than what had gone before. Like the onset of some cold glaucoma dimming away the world. His hand rose and fell softly with each precious breath. He pushed away the plastic tarpaulin and raised himself in the stinking robes and blankets and looked toward the east for any light but there was none. In the dream from which he’d wakened he had wandered in a cave where the child led him by the hand. Their light playing over the wet flowstone walls. Like pilgrims in a fable swallowed up and lost among the inward parts of some granitic beast. Deep stone flues where the water dripped and sang. Tolling in the silence the minutes of the earth and the hours and the days of it and the years without cease. Until they stood in a great stone room where lay a black and ancient lake. And on the far shore a creature that raised its dripping mouth from the rimstone pool and stared into the light with eyes dead white and sightless as the eggs of spiders. It swung its head low over the water as if to take the scent of what it could not see. Crouching there pale and naked and translucent, its alabaster bones cast up in shadow on the rocks behind it. Its bowels, its beating heart. The brain that pulsed in a dull glass bell. It swung its head from side to side and then gave out a low moan and turned and lurched away and loped soundlessly into the dark.

    “With the first gray light he rose and left the boy sleeping and walked out to the road and squatted and studied the country to the south. Barren, silent, godless. He thought the month was October but he wasn’t sure. He hadn’t kept a calendar for years. They were moving south. There’d be no surviving another winter here.

    “When it was light enough to use the binoculars he glassed the valley below. Everything paling away into the murk. The soft ash blowing in loose swirls over the blacktop. He studied what he could see. The segments of road down there among the dead trees. Looking for anything of color. Any movement. Any trace of standing smoke. He lowered the glasses and pulled down the cotton mask from his face and wiped his nose on the back of his wrist and then glassed the country again. Then he just sat there holding the binoculars and watching the ashen daylight congeal over the land. He knew only that the child was his warrant. He said: If he is not the word of God God never spoke.”

    #116340
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    “But the presumption is that if NATO did not exist, Russia’s brutality would not exist and I doubt this is true either.”

    That is basically ‘I know you are but what am I’. Russia has not been slapping sanctions against innocent nations for years, and Ukraine begged to be invaded, pulling the wacko shit it has since 2014. Every goddam nation that ever existed has been brutal.

    Calling another nation a war criminal is generally a device used by national war criminals to deflect attention from their war crimes.

    Please, stop it. You’re embarrassing the internet.

    #116341
    teri
    Participant

    Mister Roboto;

    As you note in your comment, that shop teacher in the photo in Kunstler’s current article lives in Canada. Kunstler then ties himself in knots in an attempt to explain the inclusion of a picture of this sad person from up north by calling out Trudeau as a “Woke-Marxist”. What is a “woke-Marxist”? Who the fuck knows? Whatever else Trudeau is, he is not a Marxist. But Kunstler knows the reader will not know what Marxism is, nor will the reader look it up. In Kunstler-speak, Marxists are the exact same thing as Jacobins (he used those two terms in tandem as descriptors of Obama in an article he posted in August, where he referred to the Obama reign as the “Jacobin-Marxist crusade”, although the two movements are polar opposites in most ways.) For his own reasons, Kunstler constantly uses remarkably different political movements interchangeably. Marxists = socialists = Jacobins = communists = reds = democrats = wokesters = the left collectively = all the bad and evil things in the world.

    And what do Trudeau and one silly citizen of Canada have to do with Trump saving the US and returning it to its spiritual roots, which is what the bulk of the article is about? Well, nothing, if Kunstler were to be honest. Trump is not living in Canada, will not run for office in Canada, is not seeking to save Canada, and may not be able to locate Canada on a map. Likewise, Trudeau is not living in the US or running the US government or setting policies in the US. The inclusion of Canadians into the article is a non-sequitur.

    As to looking to Trump for our renewal….ha, ha, ha, ha, well, that’s quite a reach. You could substitute Clinton or Bush or Biden or Obama and it would sound just as inane. None of these people – including Trump – give one rat’s tiny little ass about the working people in this country.

    #116343
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Even Justin’s brother says #TrudeauMustGo

    The best laid plans of mice and minions…

    #116344
    citizenx
    Participant

    @chooch
    US policy is expressly geared toward facilitating escalation in the war, rather than facilitating a cessation of hostilities. But the presumption is that if NATO did not exist, Russia’s brutality would not exist…

    We are all being lied to. Nothing special about that or Putin’s Russia in this regard.

    Choo choo- why don’t you do some analysis on US invasions of Afghanistan or Iraq? Do those not “count” as War crimes and Illegal invasions? How about the Global War on Terror ? Blatant examples of US brutality and crimes… that you conveniently ignore. How about Syria? Israel? Yemen? Libya?

    You blatantly ignore the US War machine that has killed millions, you blatantly ignore AZOV / UKR corruption. You ignore the UKR govt murdering its own UKR citizens for 8+ years in the Donbass on RU’s border.

    Choo Choo you are a lying cocksucking Nato coward and you completely ignore the US govt’s crimes around the world. Fuck You Hypocrite

    Russia Bad- US Govt the righteous savior of the world? Keep spinning keep lying. Of course you will be back copy/pasting more twitter nato propaganda… it’s what you do.

    #116346
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    The International Monetary System Is on the Verge of Collapse… Here’s What Comes Next

    The International Monetary System Is on the Verge of Collapse… Here’s What Comes Next

    #116347
    Michael Reid
    Participant

    What Would a Nuclear War Look Like?

    What Would a Nuclear War Look Like?

    #116348
    John Day
    Participant

    @Chooch: Thanks for the kind words.
    I agree that no concentration of “power” (the power to kill and harm) can be considered trustworthy.
    Trusting power is a mistake, even if power is mostly-trustworthyfor some period of time.

    It seems clear that the power structure in the western-empire is deeply corrupted by selfish and parasitic interests, which use all of the “host” nations as bases to launch attacks on other nations, while consuming the substance of the host nations.

    Trust Iran? People in Iran mostly don’t.
    Trust China? Chinese people of means are extremely guarded, and always seeking ways to get some assets and some family out of China, which has a lot of financial rot and bad-housing-scams.
    Trust Turkey? Trust India? etc.

    Trust Russia? In what way? Russian diplomacy seems to be the most trusted in the world.
    Russia seems to make every effort to keep contractual obligations.
    It was not this way under Stalin, or Lennin, but it is this way under Putin/Lavrov, for the moment.
    Russia recently went through a collapse and restructuring, at the expense of the lives of 10% of the population.
    China may be set for another reset like that. They are following the personality-cult of Xi Jinping, who seems to be most focused upon his own power.
    US/UK/NATO/Germany?Australia/NZ? Overdue for a great-reset, which always takes a long time to hit bottom. We’re not at bottom.
    Japan? We’ll have to see. Japan is acting rationally, as far as can be seen, and for an occupied nation.

    Whoever “prevails” through the current conflicts will probably not remain trustworthy for too long, or maybe at all.
    There is always a clamor for vengance and raparitions.

    #116349
    morongobill
    Participant

    There is a video of she he using a table saw. That blade came close to the prosthetic udders😲

    #116350
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    chooch: “But the presumption is that if NATO did not exist, Russia’s brutality would not exist …”

    Huh?

    That’s a gargantuan leap and doesn’t really capture the nuances of the conversation.

    #116351
    phoenixvoice
    Participant

    I just don’t buy the
    competition = good
    and
    Cooperation = bad
    Idea.

    Nor
    Competition = capitalism
    And
    Cooperation = socialism/communism/fascism

    Both of those are using reductionist strategies that oversimplify reality and human relationships in order to control a narrative.

    As humans, we both cooperate and compete. Both cooperation and competition can be good and/or bad — it depends upon the situation, and often depends upon the perspective of the person making the evaluation. This isn’t “moral relativism” — cooperation/competition are human strategies, not moral issues.

    As far as heating in European locales, it is suicidal to choose to go into winter without sufficient capacity to heat homes. This is the decision being made by European leaders. So, let’s set aside the fact that this is essentially voluntary.

    No matter the economic system, when there is scarcity rationing occurs because there simply isn’t enough to go around. It is the prevailing economic system and dominant ideologies that tend to determine *how* the rationing takes place and *who* gets what. Capitalism works very well at rationing non-essentials. Exceedingly well. However, when rationing essentials, capitalism tends to ration in a way that offends the faculties of moral persons no matter their religious bent. Simply put, in capitalism, those who already have a lot get first dibs on all scarce items — whether they be essential or non-essential, and have the option to take as much of them as they please. If the scarce items are art originals by the great masters, well, the common folk will simply suffice themselves with printed copies in cheap frames on their walls. It isn’t a moral issue. But *heat* during winter *is* a moral issue. Those who analyze capitalism have come up with justifications and explanations of how this problem is acceptable — those who cannot get the scarce resource will simply substitute something else. This is an observation, not a solution. And, yes, Europeans are stockpiling firewood. If it gets bad they will burn anything they can find to stay warm — furniture, trash, etc. But there are no guarantees that there will be sufficient substitute to go around. People will die needlessly.

    Cooperation is another way to determine how scarce resources will be rationed. The idea is that all of the people (or their representatives) sit down, analyze the situation, and work out an agreement about how the rationing will occur, independent of the market forces that are sufficient for non-essentials. Just like the western basin states did about the Colorado River basin the the 1920s, and again in the 1990s when they came up with the tiered drought contingency plan. Arizona is currently considering contributing towards the funding of audacious water projects that are for California, if AZ in return receives some of California’s Colorado River water rights. Cooperation does not equal coercion. Cooperation does not mean that a solution was imposed from above. The United States Constitution is a blueprint for cooperative government.

    Cooperation is also not a panacea. Very often, the best in humanity is brought out when we compete — which is why we are endlessly competing in sports arenas, and why most board games are competitive. We need both. Neither are evil; neither are pure.

    #116352
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    Allow , me to vaticinate for a moment.

    A mystery meme has been attempting to go viral on the interwebs recently, regarding prediction that Sept 24 will be a day about which everyone will remember where they were at that moment.

    I think the moment will be the day upon which the Western Empire either bends the knee to Russia, or fully kinetic no-holds-barred WW3 begins.

    Concerned parties have announced that there will be referendums held in the Donbass region and republics taking place between the 23rd and 27th of September, much like the one in Crimea a few years back) to decide whether or not their territory will henceforward be considered to be fully a part of the nation of Russia.

    We know in advance that they will choose to become a part of Russia.

    We know in advance that Russia will accept them as a part of national Russia.

    We know in advance that China, India, Iran and others will not oppose such a decision, and that Russia is already a fully recognized nation by International Law.

    We all know that Russia will defend the borders of it’s sovereign nation with whatever force they deem necessary to accomplish that. So we know they will tell Ukraine (NATO) to IMMEDIATELY depart from Russian soil in the Donbass.

    The referendum has been a long time in the planning, so I doubt if anybody is even bothering to feign surprise.

    Along those lines, it is pretty obvious that the smart money is being sucked out of Europe and the West just as fast as inhumanly possible. Between food, energy and financials there won’t be much left by the time the inflation/recession has run it’s course. Even the one’s who own it all are shorting their own empire and reinvesting the loot in the East.

    So , yeah, I know that it does seem a bit “over the top” as prognostications go, but the numbers and events do line up in that direction, and that referendum thing does sort of look like a VERY distinct line in the sand drawn with a saber.

    At least there’s not long to wait.

    #116353
    Bill7
    Participant

    I think the coming introduction of Central Bank Digital Currencies is the most important and far-reaching thing
    happening now:https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/a-digital-dollar-and-a-digital-euro-are-closer-than-ever-to-becoming-a-reality.html

    Digital Dystopia.. all-seeing surveillance, all the time. Jeremy Bentham would be stoked.

    #116356
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Mr Kunstler with his unshakable optimism of some “Justice” finally dealing with top criminals.
    To paraphrase Stalin: “How many tanks “Justice” has?”

    #116357
    Mr. House
    Participant

    @Bill7

    Yeah read the comments on that one, its like two NC’s exist. That article with comments that almost everyone here would agree with and the rest of NC that seems to be some LA LA land. Do they not understand its the same people behind CBDC and covid?

    #116358
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    phoenix: competition vs cooperation. “Both of those are using reductionist strategies that oversimplify reality and human relationships in order to control a narrative.”

    Ya think? 😉 Kind of like, “black lives matter” vs “all lives matter.” Aren’t both statements true?

    Control is about pitting one party against another. State an obvious (black lives matter), then act threatened when someone points out that other perspectives are also valid.

    #116359
    upstateNYer
    Participant

    Bill7: “I think the coming introduction of Central Bank Digital Currencies is the most important and far-reaching thing”

    Yawn. Tell that to the rurals and the black market economy, many of whom don’t even use smart phones. 😉 The blue coasts can do whatever they want. Their choice.

    #116360
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I don’t think they’re kidding about the Donbass referendums. The collective west is ignoring the news mightily, but Medvedev is NOT a throw-away lightweight spokesperson, and he is quite explicit.

    link: https://www.rt.com/russia/563178-medvedev-donbass-referendums-necessary/

    #116361
    Bill7
    Participant

    > Yeah read the comments on that one, its like two NC’s exist. <

    I hear you, Mr. House. Strange.

    #116362
    boscohorowitz
    Participant

    Most of us here including me are inclined to believe that covid was moving among the public before Wuhan. So, with that caveat stated, I’ll note WWII started on Dec 1 1939 when Hitler invaded Poland. Fort Detrick, the putative epicenter of covid release upon which most conspiracy theorists (say it with pride, y’all), was suddenly closed on August 4th, and China blames it on Ft. Detrick.

    “Specialists from the U.S. National Institutes of Health believe that the coronavirus, which was unknown at that time, started spreading in the United States in the fall of 2019, according to Plotnikov.”

    August 4, Sept 1, close enough. When most major cyclical history prediction timelines converge on a time (roughly 2020-2025) as when All Hell shall break loose, close enough feels eerily close.

    I think there is a global conspiracy. Maybe a few dozen of them, in fact. All of them fighting to win. That’s what a world war is, after all. Bloodusckers like Herr Fauci and Aleksandr Gintsberg are involved and exploiting as much as they can but are still just fleas on a rabid tiger. I think of them more as standard issue war profiteers than as megalomaniacal masterminds, although Gates and Schwabb are kinda special that way in their delusions of grandeur.

    The banksters aren’t running this war or this epidemic; they’re just cashing in. Entities like the USA/Euromerican officials probably think that they are running this war merely because they started it. A comparison: I have NEVER been even mildly hurt when someone attacked me, and I have been severely attacked more than my share of times. But I have NEVER won a fight I started because I’d had enough of someone’s shit. Said shit wasn’t bad enough to warrant manslaughter if necessary, and without the promise of potential manslaughter, my kill-switch gets stuck half-on/half-off, a VERY dangerous place to be.

    Anyway, per the comparison: we started it. Russia and allies are finishing it, decisively, in basic economic/military terms. What’s odd is that Russia is impaling itself into Death By Several Hundred Syringes (of nasty covid vakzines) while China is basically at war with its own people and economy while geopolitically maneuvering in tandem with its allies to decisively kick Euromerica into hard dark weak times.

    We “won” WWI only to inflict a nasty epidemic on ourselves via an arrogantly misguided medical experiment on our soldiers. We “won” WWII only to turn what’s left of our democracy into a de facto fascistic military-industrial nightmare with a new flavor: modern cybernetic electronic media.

    Russia will almost certainly win (or “win” if you prefer) this war but appears poised to celebrate its victory with a majorly reduced/weakened populace via self-inflicted covid policy.

    I wonder: is Putin increasingly clueless as a result of vakzine side effects? Or is he ruthlessly and adroitly (he has this knack for adroitness) playing the globalists at their own game? Maybe a la ‘if you can’t beat ’em outside their game, join ’em, and beat ’em at their own game’? The popularly maligned 5-D Putinian chess meme.

    Considering that Putin has appeared weak the past year or so, although seems to be back in good health.

    Why are we always reduced to the same dilemma: are they that stupid or that ruthless? These times surely call for ruthlessness, and Eurasia is surely the place to be for the survivors of this vakzinazion nightmare, but I see no reason to kill off your own to make room for them.

    Warning: anyone trying to sell me on the idea that Putin wants a piece of whatever evil conspiracy action Davos and such might have, will be viewed with dismissive bemusement. To whatever extent Putin may be cooperating with them, it is not submissively, and is compliant for hidden reasons. No smart ruler signs off on decimation-puls of his native populace knowingly unless there’s an uncannily crucial reason.

    Me, if I had to bet real money today, I’d wager that Putin is losing his touch, probably with some nasty vakzinazional help. Everything he’s done looks flawless to me (including numerous feints and strategic retreats like letting the West steal a buncha gold, etc., or not finishing up the Ukraine SMO in the neat and speedy manner most media pundits seem to crave like the ultimate Brawndo for journalistic houseplants)… everything except Russia’s covid response, which is a nightmare on a par with ours, worse in some ways, not as bad in others.

    ***

    Noting Sept 23rd-27th: maybe someone named Franz Ferdinand will be assassinated there?

    Nobody knows what Russia will do if NATO challenges the referendum results. Without ever saying so, Russia has made it clear that all options are on the table even as they give detailed kindergarten instructions to USNATO on how to best avoid the worst on said table. When and how Russia will use its options is a military secret in constant flux, war being a powerful catalysts for geopolitical change.

    ***

    Central bank currencies give all manner of global banksters and wannabe overlords wet dreams but requires a working internet and the energy to run it. All during a time when world war is glaringly emergent, the detonation phase already begun, and cyber-warfare being the most powerful and strategically flexible weapon on the table.

    My ever-growing conviction is that we so crave order and security that we refuse to imagine that someone won’t be in charge of what’s left when the dust has settled.

    I can’t even get my hospital’s billing cyber-structure to accept the update of debit card info it needs to collect a substantial debt from me.

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