Debt Rattle September 20 2022
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Thanks Phoenixvoice:
Human engagement manifestations in life are a spectrum, kinda’ like gender, right?🙂
@DBS: Yeah; of course the Donbass referenda are a strategic move now, but the rumor is “something like 9/11”, and as Dr. D points out, it’s on an ancient 7 year cycle of debt repudiation day thingie.
BOOM!
@boscohorowitz: I read “The Road”, in this case a few years after seeing the film. I did think the film was pretty well done, but as is almost always the case, the book was much better. I’m a bit prejudiced here, since Cormac McCarthy is one of my favorite fiction authors. But speaking more in general, I’ve read lots of books that films were based on, some before and some after seeing the film, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen a film that I thought was better than the book.
I’ve noticed in particular that the resemblance of the film and the book often ends with the title (Philip K. Dick’s sci-fi and Steven King novels both come to mind–I read the Philip K. Dick story that Blade Runner was based on, and I could barely recognize it.) And Hollywood is especially outrageous about completely changing the endings. (Watch Robert Redford in “The Natural” and then read the Bernard Malamud story.)
Sometimes truly great books defy the filmmakers. McCarthy’s “Blood Meridian” has defied the filmmakers for years, and it was easy to see why once I’d read it.
@chooch: I hope you’re going to let a troll or two chase you away–I get something out of almost every serious post, yours included.“upon which most conspiracy theorists” agree.
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“Considering that Putin has appeared weak the past year or so, although seems to be back in good health.” I’m inclined to think he’s lost his touch.
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beingthe most ” isBoscohorowitz makes a lot of salient point, closing with this summation, basically about how the imposition of order is a very expensive and energy-demanding ongoing task, which might not keep happening to anything like the degree we have known.
“I can’t even get my hospital’s billing cyber-structure to accept the update of debit card info it needs to collect a substantial debt from me.”
This article, already shared above, gives me hope. Living in a major USA city, I am likely to be euthanistically vaporised should things go nukular, but also have the option of our area not being nuked: I know of no major military installations here.
@Willem: I recall the movie “Cast A Deadly Spell” as being most entertaining, back in the early 1990s
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101550/
https://lovecraft.fandom.com/wiki/Cast_a_Deadly_SpellI can’t tell for sure if it is actually or loosely based on H.P. Lovecraft’s work.
Back to flooring…
If any of the contested regions in Donbass become sovereign Russian soil before Sept 23-27, then there will probably be kinetic WW3 before Sept 23-28. Although its remotely possible, I suppose, that the NATO gag could just throw in the towel and surrender (not).
@John_Day: I never saw or read that one, but much of the Lovecraft that I have read (mostly when I was much younger) would be challenge to do justice to in film. I think the imagination is often much more powerful than the screen.
bosco: “I can’t even get my hospital’s billing cyber-structure to accept the update of debit card info it needs to collect a substantial debt from me.”
If we had a “lol” with tears, I’d post it. Recently took me 5 or 6 tries to pay a medical bill, trying online, by phone (machine driven), AND … talking to a live person. Literally couldn’t pay my bill. What’s wrong with this picture.
phoenixvoice
On this matter of cooperation versus competition, the news is pretty bad.
If you were to go back 50,000 years, as a member of a tribe or band or group, you would cooperate extensively with those in your tribe or band or group. The men might take on a large animal, with a view to killing it and sharing the meat, bones and hide amongst the group. The women would collect fruits and tubers etc. to share amongst the group.
But the tribe or band or group on the other side of the hill were your competitors. In times of plenty you would tolerate them. You might even trade with them and acquire stuff you could not otherwise get.
But in times of scarcity, you would attempt to steal what they had, and attempt to kill them before they killed you.
It was all a matter of preserving genetic lines, and survival of the most cunning, and the most deceitful, and the most brutal, as well as survival of the most cooperative.
Once civilisations emerged, all the old ‘rules’ went out the window and into the trash can.
In a ‘civilised society’, you cooperate with those higher up the power structure because if you don’t, they have mechanisms for making you feel pain, for ruining your life, and if they choose, for killing you and saying that the murder was ‘fully justified’.
“Come and fight for us in our attack on another empire, because if you don’t we will lock you up and take away all your rights.”
Or in the case of those who signed up and then found out what war was really like: “How dare you stop fighting for us. Firing squad!…. Anybody else want to mutiny?”
When I was young there were the regular ‘battles’ between the Mods and the Rockers on Margate beach and elsewhere. When asked whether he was a Mod or a Rocker, John Lennon replied: “I’m a Mocker.”
Back in those days tribal confrontations were expressed in the activities of soccer hooligans. Supporters of ‘The Sants’ would get on trains and take a trip to Portsmouth to have street fights with supporters of ‘Pompey’ for away matches. For home matches, ‘Pompey’ supports would travel to Southampton for a ‘rumble’. Railway carriages got smashed. I suppose the rail company reckoned the profit from sale of tickets exceeded the cost of repairs.
In New Zealand there was never the same kind of fanaticism for soccer. It was always about rugby and the ‘All Blacks’ showing the world who was boss. People would buy made-in-China flags and made-in-China nick-nacks to demonstrate their patriotism.
There was also an idiotic meme with respect to motor racing concerning whether Ford or Holden (now defunct Australian company) was superior. Such memes were usually accompanied by debates about which kind of international corporate beer was superior.
The phony names of the NZ corporatised rugby teams created 30 or so years ago reveal the true nature of the mind control. ‘The Warriors’, The Crusaders’ blah, blah ,blah
I must admit, I was caught up in it as a late-teenager, such is the power of group-think. Back in the day, one really did not want to associate too much with people who rode Vespas, when one rode a Lambretta. Then I grew up.
Right now we are supposed to be support ‘team Ukraine’, you know, the ‘brave heroes who are standing up to Russian aggression’, as depicted by ‘the evil dictator Putin’, who regularly commits ‘war crimes’, as reported by the NATOstan troll who visits TAE to spread misinformation.
He/she really need not bother. The Guadian (or maybe that should be Guadi an) does a far better job of promulgating lies and stoking tribal warfare on behalf of the international money-lenders.
I suggest that anyone who has not read ‘The Selfish Gene’ by Richard Dawkins do so. It’s all there.
By the way, it’s not a lot of fun living in a society in which the government and its agencies relentlessly attack the general populace, and squander rapidly declining resources, because that is what they are paid to do.
We have a fake election coming up, in which everything is rigged to ensure there is no freedom and democracy, and to ensure that sociopaths and psychopaths can continue to loot the till while there is still something left to loot.
Will the fighting continue?
Referendums to join the Russian Federation will be held in the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR) from September 23 to 27.Would this be attacking Russia?
Would the response by Russia be different?Joan Armatrading, Down to Zero, 1976: https://cinemaphile.com/watch?v=7147pAjGbpU
Producer Glyn Johns says ‘Joan Armatrading’ was the best album he was ever associated with.
Chooch said:
Most likely my last post. Take care.
Maybe switch to Zelensky’s offline army? Good riddance.
Just had a debate with my brother RE: 2020 election and he mentioned the gallows erected at the capitol building. I don’t watch TV or do social media so had no idea what he was talking about. A duck duck search (yeah, I know, I haven’t switched yet) only popped the usual: nbc, npr, etc., etc.
Does anyone have a source for balanced reporting about where these were erected, by whom, etc.?
Oh, and he also said the FBI arrested the person responsible for the pipe bombs. Is that true? Am I that out of touch at this point?
Thanks!
That’s silly. Chooch is right: what’s the point of having discussions if you can’t have differing opinions? And just one differing opinion disallows us to meet and have — or not have — discussions on other subjects?
This makes no sense. Even when I disagree, I’m sure Russia cannot be having a great time because no army does. His generals are making mistakes because they all do. They have failed to choose wisely and capitalize on opportunities because that always happens. And so far we’re not hearing them snap shut that cauldron, so was it really a trap?
And we agree that cooperation is half of life, while in tribal worlds you’d have to go out of your way, walk 100 miles to meet the other guy, the competition, the rival tribe. Sounds like it must have been overwhelmingly cooperative and not competitive nearly at all. Funny that’s not what they put in the history books, but pretend Og was clubbing Gog all day long, when they — literally — know nothing about it and have nearly no way to measure it. There are still a few tribes in existence, but do they ask how violent and competitive the !Kung tribe is? Nope, because it would show the Professors, and all modern people, to be evil, endlessly violent, barbarians. And the more suits they own, the more barbaric and thoughtless they behave.
I really enjoyed the exchange between Chooch and D Benton. Both had the courage to speak their minds which allowed ego to express without denigrating it. Both put the thoughts out there and then both had the love and spirit to address corrections to thinking when discovered – which would not have occurred without the exchange. We are allowed to change the thinking of our minds as new information or awareness presents itself.
It showed great maturity and courage and humbled me.I thank them and all for the tireless attempts to aim for goodness even through the frustration of seeing so much badness.
D Benton – from yesterday, your thoughts and cogitations re give and take were powerful.
There is a power outside of the physical which defies some the laws you described.
This power increases by giving away all it has. It is the power of the non-physical. It is outside of the laws of this world and it never cease to amaze me how little I have applied it in my life, but if I love you, or I forgive you or I hate you then I receive the feeling/thought in the measure I apply it.All I give is given to myself.
So today I am going to try to give humble acceptance that we are all flawed, all bound to awareness of a body/ego/self and all still one in truth.I’ll more than likely be a judgey fucker and think of boobs and chocolate etc but I will try yet again to get my mind to accept the thoughts that offer more help to me than those that do not.
What else ya gunna do.Your musing really helped me think through some of this stuff.
Big ups to Chooch too – you are welcome here.
Different plant, same tactics.
Not sure what you meant by this. DPA said that Russia has confirmed they fired on the nuclear plant which is in Uky Territory. They destroyed a ware house three hundred meters from the nuclear plant claiming the Ukys were storing military hardware there.I have no prob with anyone speaking their minds, even those I might perceive as trolls. Nor do I have any prob expressing my opinion to them, even my opinions about their contributions. Whatever and ever amen, already. Oy, the drama!
Vid: Vaxtalk on Moneytalk, … by Toronto Dominion Bank
Has vaccine effectiveness finally reduced the toll of COVID-19?
… interesting, in particular starting at about 3 min. mark
F.S.
To all us Russia/Ukraine war-watchers, let us (yet again) remember Sun Tzu’s wise words: never interfere with your enemy when it is busy destroying itself.
Some shit-lipped genius named DMitry Orlov said that the reason Russia doesn’t just kick ass and all that is because it would seem unsportly (words to that effect). Seriously. Dmitry’s insight and analysis are often breath-takingly penetrating of insight but he still seems to enjoy stepping in his own poop and then sticking his foot in his mouth.
Anyway, Ukraine seems to be doing a fine job of annihilating itself as a political entity. Meanwhile, there is the Donetsk/Donbass referendum just days away. Plenty of time for Russia to boil the cauldron if the Ukranatonazis decide to be as foolish as they appear to be.
Did you hear …. Trudeau said that they will not recognize a democratic vote to join Russia……..
Referendums to join the Russian Federation will be held in the Lugansk and Donetsk People’s Republics (LPR and DPR) from September 23 to 27.fwiw, one of my fave commentators at another site had this to say about the current Russia/Ukraine situation:
“In favor of my analysis of the situation in Kharkov region in earlier comment under this article, where Russian troops were withdrawn even from the towns in the north, near Russian border, where they were not attacked by Ukrainian forces. This was now confirmed to be a “consolidation of strategic assets” game that I suspected was the key reason for a rapid and secretive withdrawal without much fight by Russian troops. Now events in the Russian-Ukrainian conflict are starting to develop rapidly and we can note three main themes:
1. In Russian parliament they have just voted in the new law amendments that address the war time measures by making punishments harsher and introducing new types of punishable offenses during war time. This law was voted in in one session without much debate or corrections.
2. Belarus is elevating conflict readiness level by conducting mobilization drills
3. Referendums with a question whether to join Russia are going to be conducted in LPR, DPR, occupied (liberated) parts of Zaporozhye region and in entire Kherson region. Here is the summary of referendum plans from the Russian military analyst Colonel Cassad
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Summing up by referendums.
1. Referendums will be held from September 23 to 27 in the DPR, LPR, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions.
2. Referendums will be held both in person and in absentia (with house visits) for security reasons.
3. After the referendums, all territories will apply for membership in the Russian Federation, which will be considered as a matter of priority.
4. After consideration of applications, all territories will become part of the Russian Federation – de facto, 4 new subjects of the Russian Federation.
5. The DPR and LPR retain their names and flags. It is still unclear about the regions. Zaporozhye is proposed to be called the “Zaporozhskiy Krai”.
6. According to opinion polls, you can count on 70-85% for joining the Russian Federation, with turnout in the region of 65-75% on average.
7. The United States, NATO and Germany have stated that they do not recognize the results of the referendums. In Ukraine, they immediately became hysterical that holding referendums would negate the slightest chance of negotiations.
8. Of course, the war in Ukraine will not stop, but now it will have a qualitatively different context. We are waiting for the announcement of specific measures to optimize how SMO is conducted.
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From myself I’d like to add that what prompted such, almost unexpected, urgency of these actions was yesterday’s shelling of the city of Donetsk where rounds of 155mm howitzers hit the corner store and 13 people have died, many ripped to pieces. Many more were wounded. This left a very grave impression on the Russian society so that even official media was showing footage of a bloodstream going for meters from a killed dismembered person down to a city street drain, asking a question: “Is this enough of a red line?”. Ukrainian media habitually was blaming Russia for shelling of the city under Russian control, but the evidence , including fragments of shells with NATO markings, certainly point in a certain direction that is not Russia. This “they shot themselves” storyline was a favorite way by Ukraine to cover their intentional crimes against civilians for over 8 years, starting with attacking peaceful city hall in Lugansk in 2014 with jet fighter rockets, but, interestingly enough, many Ukrainians, including some of my relatives in Kiev believe in it because it is so convenient for them to maintain that believe!”
“Thanks for the video of massive Northern hemisphere nuclear exchange, Michael Reid.”
(old-timer voice) We didn’t have that kind of thing when I were a kid…
@Boscohorowitz: The “red line” of blood in the street video can be seen on The Saker blog, also. It’s pretty clearly a popular cause, a rallying cry. This does make all of these territories “Russia” again, with all which that implies.
Thanks for cross-posting that analysis/comment.I don’t think that going nuclear is on Russia’s mind. It has zero.zip need to. If Euromerica’s retards-in-charge decide to go out in a blaze of glory that takes us with them, oh well. Ain’t a whole lot I know to do about that. We’re a silly species in that regard. We think we know what we’re doing. We think so to the point that we argue with each other over whose crazy scheme to avoid-disaster-and-prosper is better than whose, as if anyone had a clue how to deal with groups of homo saps larger than Dumbar’s numver.
I’m not saying that we know what we were doing in groups smaller than Dunbar’s number, either, but I do believe that groups that small have too much mutual visibility to allow nasty psycho/socio-paths run things.
All that changes, alas, when times get hard and tribes become competitors, as someone pointed out earlier. That means war, and war naturally elevates and glorifies psychopaths into positions of power. Meanwhile, the logic of Grow Big or Die takes over, and presto chango, here we are today, giant warring virtual tribes enthralled by cretinous creeps with a thing for baby sex. (That is some weird shit.)
As much as I want to dismiss the risk of nuclear war, that is based on emotional wishful thinking powered by the usual logical fallacies. When I remove my emotional bias and remove the logical fallacies, I must concede that nuclear war is eventually inevitable, and we seem to be approaching a zone of maximum inevitability.
But I prefer this perspective:
We are getting very strong hints about the ‘really big event’ that will change the world on or about 25th September; a set of referendums that will allow disputed regions to join the Russian Federation and officially become part of Russia, thereby meaning any military action by Ukrainian or NATOstan forces would amount to a direct attack on Russia, and would incur an appropriate response.
“We have only just begun,” said Putin a few weeks ago
Do the time line.
Trudeau has a team giving him the info, analysis, response. Trudeau is at the UN meeting.
….. Trudeau said that they will not recognize a democratic vote to join Russia……..@Mr House
@Bill7I got kicked off of NC because of a comment I made that Bitcoin is the future and CBDCs are inevitable. I do not think they are opposed to each other. Once people learn how to use CBDCs, I think it will accelerate Bitcoin adoption. Nobody will want to hold the CBDCs — instead they will exchange them for Bitcoin. But I think that CBDCs will displace the existing stable coins, where there is always a concern whether the stable coins are sufficiently backed by actual dollars.
Dr D said
That’s silly. Chooch is right: what’s the point of having discussions if you can’t have differing opinions? And just one differing opinion disallows us to meet and have — or not have — discussions on other subjects?
Really? Chooch is not right: discussion is right and promoting proaganda is not right. Chooch is not trying to find the answer to a problem, he is telling you what the answer is while he ignores the question. Chooch is sending you the propaganda, the same way the BBC sends you the propaganda – no discussion, we know what’s right. I am frankly amazed that Dr D – the spout of very good comments – would support such a blatantly obvious spout of shite. Dr D, are you drunk?
Dr D said
This makes no sense. Even when I disagree, I’m sure Russia cannot be having a great time because no army does. His generals are making mistakes because they all do. They have failed to choose wisely and capitalize on opportunities because that always happens. And so far we’re not hearing them snap shut that cauldron, so was it really a trap?
And we agree that cooperation is half of life, while in tribal worlds you’d have to go out of your way, walk 100 miles to meet the other guy, the competition, the rival tribe. Sounds like it must have been overwhelmingly cooperative and not competitive nearly at all. Funny that’s not what they put in the history books, but pretend Og was clubbing Gog all day long, when they — literally — know nothing about it and have nearly no way to measure it. There are still a few tribes in existence, but do they ask how violent and competitive the !Kung tribe is? Nope, because it would show the Professors, and all modern people, to be evil, endlessly violent, barbarians. And the more suits they own, the more barbaric and thoughtless they behave.
You are drunk. This means nothing, but is very nicely phrased.
oxymoron said:
I really enjoyed the exchange between Chooch and D Benton. Both had the courage to speak their minds which allowed ego to express without denigrating it. Both put the thoughts out there and then both had the love and spirit to address corrections to thinking when discovered – which would not have occurred without the exchange. We are allowed to change the thinking of our minds as new information or awareness presents itself.
It showed great maturity and courage and humbled me.Get a fucking room.
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