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    Venice carnival or Black Death? Mary Poppins?     Many of the things we see happening now with the coronavirus, COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2, take y
    [See the full post at: It’s The Virus, Stupid]

    #54393
    TonyPrep
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    From what I’ve read, face masks are pretty ineffectual. More a placebo than a defence.

    #54394
    V. Arnold
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    The battle was lost the second the galoots politicised it…

    #54399
    absolute galore
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    I would go with toilet paper and rice over Vitamins, which just get pissed out.

    It will be a real balancing act between containing the virus as best as possible while still carrying on with life–which includes of course, work and the economy. Certainly non-essential gatherings like the Olympics and other sporting events, while important to economies, will likely start to be cancelled if the situation continues to progress. The organizer of Milan San Remo, a fabled spring classic bicycle race in Italy, is worried about the event.

    Meanwhile, on Linked In, you would think they were getting paid by the CPC, as one of their “stories” consists of a series of very positive, upbeat posts from people in trenches over in China–with one or two slightly negative posts to keep it “real.” Boosting morale is one thing, but this seemed excessive.

    It’s interesting that during the Spanish Influenza citizens were told to avoid gatherings, sleep with bedroom windows open, gargle with salt, and wear masks. One hundred years later, not much to add except wash your hands frequently–and yeah, the masks, de rigueur back then, are more for not spreading it if you have it, or for health workers, so they don’t spread it.
    Spanish Influenza palliative

    #54400
    VietnamVet
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    I never experienced anything like today. I went grocery shopping. Everything is completely normal, just another Tuesday in DC’s Suburbs. News radio mentioned the coronavirus, regurgitated corporate talking points, so I listened to music while driving around. After unpacking, I read this post and ordered more Vitamin D3 from Amazon. My Cognitive Dissidence is running wild.

    The closest parallel I’ve come up with is the eight month “Phony War”. It started in 1939 when Germany invaded Poland and ended in 1940 when Erwin Rommel’s tanks skirted the Maginot Line and conquered France. I am waiting for the axe to fall.

    I was a Federal Biologist. The only thing that will stop the Wuhan coronavirus now that it is a global pandemic is local air-tight quarantines that allow the virus to burn out or an effective safe vaccine. The Western economy will collapse when the just in time logistic system runs out of Chinese and South Korean merchandise. A quarantine of the Greater DC Capital Area must include Baltimore since it is all suburbs in between. It will take thousands of troops to cut all the roads in a 70 mile circle around DC in Virginia and Maryland. If the US government does nothing after an outbreak, the healthcare system for millions of people will collapse. The ill will die untreated. The contagion will continue its expansion.

    Other than a miracle occurring, Donald Trump is in a worse situation than Jimmy Carter or Herbert Hoover. The November 2020 election is up in the air. Before the end of 2021, both globalism and the Western Empire will die. The survival of civilization is at stake.

    #54401
    WES
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    TonyPrep:. From what I have read, face masks need to be changed every 4 hours or so because moisture build up can turn the filter into an incubator.

    One commentor here said you need to use N100 type masks which I believe can filter out the tiny virus sized particles.

    These are the ones the US has few of stockpiled. Like Raul said nobody is prepared!

    I know Canada sure as hell isn’t prepared, as they have already publically given up! Canadians are to self quarantine themselves.

    #54402
    V. Arnold
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    Venice carnival or Black Death? Mary Poppins?

    The artwork today is properly, shall we say, hideous?
    😉

    #54403
    WES
    Participant

    Vietnam Vet:. Your reference to the Phoney War Period is very app. This was a period of time when the Allies failed to take advantage of the time, to prepare properly. Especially the French! For the French Army, what the French socialists did to weaken the avrmy’s regular and the reserve troops in the inter war years, simply could not be fixed during the Phoney War Period. The rest is history!

    I find the Finish experience in the Winter War a complete contrast to France! They literally had nothing but put up one hell of a stiff fight against Russia!

    The difference was the ordinary Finnish soldier’s unwavering faith and in their commander!

    Living in Canada, I have noticed that Federal Canadian health officials have already declared the battle lost!

    Clearly China is letting Wuhan/Hubei simply burn itself out as you mention. They are simply completely over whelmed, and are just leaving everyone to their own devices. The death toll must be absolutely staggering as in the tens of thousands assuming a 9% death rate.

    By electing to return to work the CCP is accepting that the coronavirus will run it’s course. Japan seems to have come to the same conclusion. Throw in Canada too!

    I see nothing here that contradicts your DC area shopping experience!

    #54406
    sumac.carol
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    Antivirals: garlic, structured silver (colloidal also but not as good), horseradish, oil of oregano, apple cider vinegar, olive leaf
    Use them altogether for synergistic effect.

    Immune system support: echinacea seed and root, liquid ionic zinc, astragalus root, cordyceps mushroom.
    Baseline Nutritionals sells combination herbal tinctures (one antimicrobial, the other for immune support) containing all these ingredients and more. I have no affiliation with the company but have used his products and found them to be extremely effective.

    #54407
    ₿oogaloo
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    TonyPrep,

    Face masks are effective for at least three reasons. First, they are a reminder not to touch your face. Second, if you get infected, it can help prevent you from passing it to others. Third, even if the mask cannot block out all of the virus particles, it can still limit the dosage of how many you are inhaling. For viral diseases generally, how much you are exposed to impacts your likelihood of infection.

    They say to effectively wash you hands you should scrub for 30 seconds. Yeah, right. I’m just not going to do that, especially now that I am washing my hands every half hour or so. Do I give up and stop washing my hands because I lack the patience for 30 seconds each time? No way. It’s no more than 10 seconds for me. Might not be perfect, but I am trying to limit potential exposure rather than thoroughly disinfect myself every time.

    I think the same principle applies to face masks. If the mask only blocks half the droplets, fine, I’ll settle for half the dosage I would otherwise get.

    #54408
    V. Arnold
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    Antivirals: garlic, structured silver (colloidal also but not as good), horseradish, oil of oregano, apple cider vinegar, olive leaf
    Use them altogether for synergistic effect.

    Carol; where does royal jelly fit in this? Any benefit, IYO?
    Given our bodies are vitamin factories; the only supplemental vitamin I take is 2 – 4 grams Vita C daily…
    The rest is a good balanced diet…

    #54409
    wdt
    Participant

    @V Arnold You are in the tropics, probably get lots? of sun
    If you are not too dark skinned, a hour of midday sun gives ~10K iu D
    (if not heavily covered with clothing)
    For those in more northern climes, your reserves of D are running low
    Take at least 5K/day for a week, then 2K/day thereafter even when not sick
    More if you get sick, even if you pee some of it out, it’s CHEAP
    What’s your life worth?
    A useful anti-viral is black elderberry

    #54410
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    @V Arnold You are in the tropics, probably get lots? of sun
    If you are not too dark skinned, a hour of midday sun gives ~10K iu D
    (if not heavily covered with clothing)

    Unless I’m/we’re going out somewhere, I just wear shorts, no shirt, no shoes, no hat, zip.
    I’m a white northern european, by ancestry; so my 30+ minutes a day in the sun puttering in the garden does the trick.

    If I’m not mistaken; didn’t you say you were certain you had the virus? Are you on the mend…hopefully…

    #54411
    oxymoron
    Participant

    That graph on dependency relationships to China did not have Australia on it. Weird coz we are ALL IN!
    I see a major reset on the horizon. Well maybe the horizon is a bit far. I see it in my lounge room. I actually see a big mess. Businesses the world over are just gonna be making phone calls like crazy – (invest in telecommunications!) Trying to order some version of stock from somewhere else. Perhaps this is the dawn of the Repair Cafe. Mend and make do mutha ‘ckers

    #54424
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Hi V.Armold
    Royal Jelly from what I have read is not known for antipathogen activity but is known for brain-related support (dementia). Yes high doses of vitamin C are sometimes used but this vitamin is not on the short list. Also there is an important difference between synthetic vitamins and food source vitamins – food sources are much more bioavailable and expensive.
    Not sure what you mean when you say our bodies are vitamin factories and then you say you rely on a healthy diet? We absolutely need quality food in general – at the foundation of health and good immune system is nutrient dense uncontaminated food. The list of anti-pathogens and immune support herbs are in addition to a good diet, specifically to kill microbrews and build up the immune system.

    #54425
    sumac.carol
    Participant

    Sorry kill ‘microbes’ not ‘microbrews’!!!

    #54426
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Not sure what you mean when you say our bodies are vitamin factories and then you say you rely on a healthy diet? We absolutely need quality food in general – at the foundation of health and good immune system is nutrient dense uncontaminated food.

    That was exactly my point. Only with quality foods can our bodies make/extract the vitamins/minerals for a healthy life.

    LOL; please leave the micro-brews alone; they’re critical for vitamin “A” in a very digestable form….;-)

    Thanks for your reply…

    #54435
    zerosum
    Participant

    I’m doing a repeat post because the following was not mentioned.
    Did this disappear or was it fake news?
    https://www.zerohedge.com/health/mapping-coronavirus-middle-east-9-countries-hit-alarm-raised-over-vulnerable-refugee-camps
    Mapping Coronavirus In The Middle East: 9 Countries Hit As Alarm Raised Over Vulnerable Refugee Camps
    Notice also that the United Arab Emirates now has at least 13 confirmed cases, in a worrisome sign in could hit the gulf region hard, given also it’s a major international transport hub straddling east Asia and the West.
    Official government numbers of infected in the region are as follows:

    Bahrain (17 cases)
    Egypt (1 case)
    Iran (61 cases)
    Iraq (5 cases)
    Israel (2 cases)
    Kuwait (3 cases)
    Lebanon (1 case)
    Oman (4 cases)
    UAE (13 cases)
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    It’s The Virus, Stupid
    The virus is the oil that keeps the printing press working overtime.

    Eventually, if +70% of the population gets the virus, it will be impossible to live in a sterile bubble.
    Again, I’ll say you can only die once.
    The USA, says stay home if you got the flu. The medical infrastructures cannot help you.
    The flu is today’s modern casino. 70%, 20% need medical help more than cough syrup, 3% of those 20% will finally find a better to go.

    The military, young super fit soldiers are getting the flu.

    The printed money is not going far enough to reach me or the refugees in the refugee camps.

    #54437
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    Probably counter propaganda pissing on this propaganda parade, but here goes.
    .

    GENEVA, Feb. 25 (Xinhua) — China has changed the course of the COVID-19 outbreak, Bruce Aylward, an epidemiologist who led an advance team from the World Health Organization (WHO), said here on Tuesday, noting a rapidly escalating outbreak in China has plateaued and come down faster than previously expected.

    It’s a unanimous assessment of the 25-member team which has conducted a nine-day field study trip to China’s Beijing, Guangdong, Sichuan and Hubei, stressed Aylward.

    Recalling details of the study trip in China, Aylward said he was impressed by China’s pragmatic, systemic and innovative approach to control the COVID-19 outbreak.

    China has taken “differentiated approach” for different situations of sporadic cases, clusters of cases, or community transmission, which makes a massive scale of epidemic control work without exhausting its response, said Aylward.

    Moreover, the WHO expert praised Chinese phenomenal collective action, stressing “it’s never easy to get the kind of passion, commitment, interest and individual sense of duty that help stop the virus.”

    “Every person you talked to (in China) has a sense that they’re mobilized like in a war against the virus and they are organized,” said Aylward, who was particularly impressed by thousands of health care workers volunteering to go into Wuhan, the epicenter of the novel coronavirus outbreak…………………….

    #54439
    zerosum
    Participant

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/leaked-docs-reveal-covid-19-infections-52-times-higher-official-figures-chinas
    “50 to 70 percent of patients are actually infected but cannot be detected by nucleic acid testing.”

    Therefore, since you cannot live in a sterile bubble ….. let it go, let it go.

    #54443
    zerosum
    Participant

    From aljazeera
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/lesbos-strike-protests-migrant-detention-centres-200226120551774.html
    A growing sense of crisis on the Greek islands which house thousands of migrants is leading to rising tensions.

    by Katy Fallon
    6 hours ago
    The notorious Moria refugee camp on Lesbos is nearing a population of 20,000 in a space built for just 2,840. Islanders have expressed frustration at the ongoing crisis on Lesbos and a sense of being ignored and forgotten by Greek and European authorities.

    In a statement, Stelios Petsas, a government spokesperson, insisted that health concerns such as coronavirus necessitated the urgent creation of closed centres on islands such as Lesbos. In July 2019, the Greek government rescinded access to healthcare for asylum seekers and undocumented people living in Greece.

    What will the virus do?

    #54456
    pipefit
    Participant

    What do you think about the chatter that suggests that the new corona virus isn’t another bat to mammal to human affair, but rather a man-made illness? Wuhan Institute of Virology is just a short distance from the wet market that is taking the heat for the outbreak.
    This would explain the difference in transmissibility.
    Regardless of origin, the way to stop it must begin by grounding the world’s commercial airplane service. You would have thought that a bright 5th grade student could have figured that out by now.

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