Putin Made a Peace Offer. Take it.
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Ivan Aivazovsky Palace rains in Venice by moonlight 1878 Vladimir Putin has just about finalized the accession of the Donetsk and Lugans
[See the full post at: Putin Made a Peace Offer. Take it.]A Tale of Two Narratives, Ukraine Edition, Updated
* The Mainstream Narrative
– Vladimir Putin is an evil autocrat who has turned Russia into a fascist state. Putin has more or less ruined Russia
– Under Vladimir Putin Russia meddled in the US 2016 election and helped get Donald Trump elected
– The 2014 color revolution in Ukraine was democracy in action and rid the country of a leader who was a Russian puppet.
– The Russian Special Military Operation was an unprovoked attack on Ukraine
– Nothing Ukraine or the west could have done would have stopped the unprovoked Russian attack
– Russia attacked Ukraine because it wants to expand its empire to that of the Soviet Union and beyond
– The Ukrainians are willing to negotiate but the Russians are not
– The Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and Crimea belong to Ukraine and under no circumstances should be part of Russia. The referendum was a sham and not a true representation of the will of the people should not be used as an excuse for Russia to annex the regions.
– Russia has weaponized their natural resources and has caused massive economic damage in Europe. They blew up the Nordstream pipelines to prove they are ruthless and will stop at nothing, even nuclear weapons.
– The US and Europe are morally obligated to support the effort of Ukraine to expel the Russians by giving them advanced weapons systems. The Ukrainians shouldn’t stop until they have regained all territory including Crimea.
– Russia cannot be trusted, period
– Russia is losing the war in Ukraine and will have to accept total defeat and terms of peace dictated by Ukraine and the west
– If Russia loses it will be the end of the Russian Federation. If Ukraine loses it will be the end of US dollar denominated hegemony
– The risk of a nuclear war is terrifying and if it happens Russia will be mostly to blame.* The Counter Narrative
– Vladimir Putin is a Christian and a patriot who has kept Russia out of the clutches of oligarchs and transnational-corporations. He has more or less saved Russia
– Russia had little effect on the US 2016 election. The reports of Russian election meddling are fabricated misinformation.
– The US and the CIA engineered the Ukraine color revolution in 2014 overthrowing the democratically elected government of Ukraine replacing it with a western puppet
– The Russian Special Military Operation was in response to multiple provocation including the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO and the shelling of the Donbas region
– If Russian demands that Ukraine never join NATO and that the Donbas region have relative autonomy had been met the Russians would not have invaded Ukraine
– Russia’s main goal is to keep NATO forces from its borders.
– The Russians are willing to negotiate but the Ukrainians are not
– The Donetsk, Lugansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye regions and Crimea were historically part of Russia and it is reasonable for them to be part of Russia again. The referendum was a reasonable way to judge the will of the people in the Donbas region though perhaps it should be repeated under UN control. Annexing the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine should be accepted and used as a foundation for peace.
– US and EU sanctions of Russia have caused a disruption of energy flows from Russia to Europe and are responsible for massive economic damage in Europe. The Nordstream pipelines were most likely sabotaged by the US or one its proxies so that Germany would not be dependent on Russia for energy.
– The US and Europe are prolonging the war by supporting Ukraine with advanced weapons systems. They don’t really care about Ukraine and are using the conflict as a proxy war to destroy Russia
– The US and Europe cannot be trusted, period
– Ukraine is losing the war and will be forced to accept terms of peace dictated by the Russians
– If Russia loses it will be the end of the Russian Federation. If Ukraine loses it will be the end of US dollar denominated hegemony
– The risk of a nuclear war is terrifying and if it happens the US and Europe will be mostly to blameI disagree, Ukraine has not been demilitarised enough yet. A peace deal now brings thinks back to where they were with the exception that the Donbass would no longer be under attack. Ukraine has to be dwarfed to such an extent that the US gets their hands off the country, only then can there be lasting peace.
“Sizable US forces acting on the ground in Ukraine.”
“We [US] are at war with Russia.”
All of ‘Oceania’ is at war with ‘Eurasia’, of course.
Absolute must watch – Start at 2 min.
https://rumble.com/v1mny36-ed-dowd-covid-and-the-global-financial-collapse-a-tale-of-catastrophes-and-.html The big picture.
You’ll probably have to use a hosting site. I use this dumb old blog I’ve had forever. For example:
TAE Summary: excellent, as always. 🙂
Germ: thank you for the link. Listening now.
redshift: “I disagree … Ukraine has to be dwarfed to such an extent that the US gets their hands off the country …” Interesting take. I’ll keep this in mind. Time will tell.
Towards the end of this this talk, Andrei Martyanov describes Poseidon, the most formidable submarine weapon ever constructed. Not by the US or UK, of course but by you know who. Apparently now ready for combat operation if required.
The Goths and Vandals homeland is Ukraine. The Balkans are the cradle of war.
History does more than rhyme. The past puts us in the place where we are today with the things, people and society around us. “The past is not even past.” Old, unhinged, autocratic, ideologies that grab others’ wealth are still very much with us. An Empire creates its own reality that the minions must believe if they are to be Insiders.
But the truth intrudes. Isolated in suburbia, tomorrow is an energy saving day with the highs reaching the mid-70s. Chip-maker AMD stock crashed and rebounded halfway on its failure to meet expectations by billions of dollars because the PC & IT industries have crashed. Gasoline costs are rising and OPEC is cutting production. The USA is in the same position it was in the energy crises of the 1970s except with no undeveloped cheap petroleum fields remaining to be developed. Russia does have reserves and with Saudi Arabia joining the Russia China Axis; cheap energy – warmth in the winter and cooling in the summer and door to door delivery with a $35 purchase – all will be long gone, shortly.
The simple fact is that the US/UK – the Western Empire and NATO are in an existential war with the Russian Federation but they are acting like everything is normal and then go destroy three of the four pipelines carrying energy into Germany, France, Netherlands etc. (the EU). This is too crazy to the sane. A realist would say that a rational response is an armistice and a DMZ separating Ukraine and Russia. But like the last world war, an unconditional surrender is now the default future. As a result of this, it is inevitable that tactical nuclear weapons will be used by one side or the other to avoid defeat. Once the nuclear threshold is crossed, escalation into a global nuclear war that will destroy western civilization and most likely will drag China into the apocalypse is unavoidable.
Putin Made a Peace Offer. Take it.
Of course you know, “they” won’t take it…
Pity…our days are likely numbered…I suppose the good thing is that this peace offer will be ignored. As pointed out above, Ukraine has not been demilitarized. It has not been deNazified. Plus there’s a large Russian population which has yet to be liberated. If the SMO ends now then it will have failed to achieve its goals.
The existential war is not between NATO/Russia. The real existential war – the 1st front – began March 2020 and continues to rage between the West’s political class and its own citizens. It’s been onesided to date because the Nazis running our society have been the only side to resort to violence. That hopefully changes this winter.
If there’s a 2nd front it will be Russia/NATO in direct conflict. Our political class could blunder into that one. They are so out of touch with reality(don’t they invent every reality they like with their lies?) they’re too ignorant to see that EVERYTHING in the West has been so corrupted that little positive activity can be achieved anywhere. The US military is one of the most corrupt entities. This is why it’s one/two generations behind Russia technologically.
They should be grateful Putin is patient enough to wish to stand aside and wait for the West to implode. Will that happen before the neoCons come up with one escalation too many?
In considering Putin’s options, and the recalcitrance of Eastern Ukrainian Russians to submit to puppet Zelensky, it is wise to look back at some Russian history.
Overrun for years by invaders (primarily from the East), Russians developed a hard shell that allowed them to snap back after depravations. Then, Hitler, the new Napolean, decided to try the same thing.
Most Westerners have forgotten that in both incidents, (Moscow and Stalingrad) the Russians burned their own city to deprive the invaders of food–in the height of winter. Many more Russians died than Europeans.
They are doing the same to all of Europe, although it is the EU, not Russia, that has brought this likelihood forward.
I pray for the people of Germany (and the UK) as the current triple-dip la-Ninia promises a nasty winter.
Also, “Climate-change” is slowly wiggling downward over the last 6 years, and probably will continue for a few decades.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_September_2022_v6.jpgEoinW:
Unfortunately, for Russia, they made the mistake to largely stick to analog electronic components after an abortive effort to go with semiconductors. They are catching up very slowly.
The Excalibur GPS missiles that can be directed to exact coordinates pinpointed by US satellites and programed at the point of launching by American “technicians” via Starlink Satellite Internet are much more effective on the battlefield than Russian laser-targeted missiles (KAB-500L) that require a drone to paint the target as a pre-launched missies arrives. Even the KAB-500S-E GPS guided bomb suffers from production difficulties because of a lack of Western-sanctioned non-Russian parts.I really like the flavor of Viet Nam’s prose today. Oh, I’m saure I mostly agree with its meaning also, but I’m a sucker for clean evocative prose. This, for example:
“History does more than rhyme. The past puts us in the place where we are today with the things, people and society around us. “The past is not even past.” Old, unhinged, autocratic, ideologies that grab others’ wealth are still very much with us. An Empire creates its own reality that the minions must believe if they are to be Insiders.”… pleases me very much.
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