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    Max Ernst Untitled 1913   No, I don’t want to talk about last night’s US Democrats’ debate. That’s just lousy comedy. But I’ll admit I’m happy to
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    #49847
    Dr. D
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    Ugh, Tulsi. So frustrated.

    First because I could vote for her, second because she could win. It’s hard to watch anyone commit suicide, but especially in public. But if the DNC is going to kill themselves, at least make it quick without the crazy-ex theatrics.

    Absconding? Brits can tell me, is this a common word there?

    If he’s served his sentence, then…isn’t he free? What happens next is his problem. And the United States Judiciary’s. So if they can get him, fine. Or will the U.K. hold him forever, outside of his sentence, because the U.S. MIGHT, SOMEDAY, successfully extradite him? Go jump off a pier.

    Brexit will indeed be hard, and as I said, you could very seriously improve matters by saying, “We all in this together. Whatever the costs are, we will all pay them together, each doing all they can.” etc, etc. Nope. Nunavit. Westminster just wants the same ruinous extraction they’ve run for 30 years, and Brexit only wants a win. Sure, Brexit MAY help, someday, but that’s not the same when it’s so easy to at least PROMISE to share the hardship. I mean, how hard is it to just lie? Everybody else always has. This sudden lack of lying when it’s serious is confusing me. Like, they’re now so far beyond lying, so far outside of democracy they no longer care?

    The No Deal opposition are also divided: Half, like May, disingenuously pretend their objection is only a deal, but then torpedo it over and over forever, making Britain’s situation not only worse, but irrevocable. The other half actually want a deal and don’t see why we can’t get one. But the reason they can get one is faction one, who will, and has sold out to Europe and always will. No deal can be made so long as traitors are in the gates, lowering the drawbridge. …And that’s aside from how Europe would rather die than deal anyway: one because no jilted psycho ex-wife is going to be rejected, lose superstar status, and give up huge payments from their spouse, and second because as Soros said, if Britain leaves the EU collapses, goes bankrupt, is no more, goes kaput, ends, along with all their unelected, unaccountable, unaudited money and power. No ways. Which is what I and Mish said from the start, maybe as far back as ‘97. And true, true, true, although meandering.

    Most probably you are right: the leave-at-any-cost voters are nowhere near 51%. However, since Europe will grind Britain for 10,000 years if necessary, you can also see why Leave, and probably the Queen, can only attempt to cut off British tragedy as soon as possible. How would it be the will of the people to stay for the 10,000 years the EU and Westminster will delay? That has only 1/3 of the vote as well.

    I’d say put it to a vote. But they did. May lost. BoJo was in. BoJo called for a vote himself, twice, to again win a plurality of the people and thereby clarify the true sentiment on the matter. Westminster vetoed him, and you can bet it wasn’t because they were about to discover a savage win in favor of Staying-at-all-costs. You can bet they only stopped democracy because they were about to lose big. I’d rather have the vote, but doesn’t that strategy tell you even more what must be going on? Leave is still increasing, ‘though slowly.

    Well, I guess Britain’s history and character is hard and messy that way. That’s okay: it’s theirs to choose.

    #49855
    democritus
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    “already suffocating under a yoke of extreme austerity”

    The suffering of the poor is government policy. Many people say they object to Brexit because it will be bad for the poor. But in this country it is already bad for the poor, and if it gets worse, that will be government policy too. There is really no need for the poor to be so poor, but there is always an excuse. Last time it was the debt, which never got paid off, this time it will be Brexit.

    I will not read Cameron’s memoirs until 70 years after his death, to be sure he doesn’t get paid for it, and even then he won’t because I will be dead too.

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