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The enemy is easy to identify – it is Biggest Finance Capital defined as the people who define money as debt and control the debt based monetary systems that are prima facia fraud.
It works like this…
Debt Money Tyranny
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
I think the most accurate paradigm is to view Biggest Finance Capital as the Grand Chess Master and the various establishment structures (Biggest Finance Capital financed structures) as pieces on the Grand Chess Board.
You can blame the knight or the rook when they take one of your “pieces,” but it really was the Grand Chess Master who is responsible, not the Grand Chess Board piece.
I keep banging this drum because people don’t seem to be able to “get it.” We know who the enemy is. Napoleon identified the enemy over 100 years ago!
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
~ Napoleon BonaparteThe Grand Chess Board pieces of Biggest Finance Capital are easy to identify – they are anything and everything super big.
There may be a few exceptions, but not many.
The effects of Debt Money Tyranny are becoming real to the average citizen.
One point – did the Cyprus government bond holders also take a hair cut as well or just the bank deposits?
Re: Lazy vs corrupt media…
An astute commentor on Zerohedge made a point that resonated with me.
Grillo is NOT a clown. Rather, Grillo IS a comedian.
Comedians often tackle real issues and present them in a funny way.
If the media used the word “comedian,” well, the people might want to know more about his comedy.
But a clown, well, they are just goofy with no message at all, so there is no reason to look deeper.
Now, I’m well aware this kind of suggestion only works on the portion of society that is in an establishment trance. Unfortunately, that portion of the population is well over 50%. They don’t write articles to appeal to people like most here that know the criminals fund the very media that tries to spin the news for their paymasters.
They write it for people who believe we are in a recovery. And it is effective, which is why they are running the show and so many other criminals are not running the show.
Lazy reporters would have called Grillow what he actually was – a comedian.
Machiavellian psy-op masters would never settle for laziness.
“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
– Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic EraIt is easier to kill a million people… Zbigniew Brzezinski
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkCEOSgLRt4Who is the “they,” of which he speaks, that seeks to control people.
gurusid post=6814 wrote:
The only ‘national’ policy you need is to let the locals get on with it, but of course that would mean the death of the beast, and I doubt it will go without a fight…L,
Sid.“In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
– Ezra PoundForbes exposing the 1.6 billion DHS bullets removes all doubt – they are gearing up for a fight when the physical asset stripping phase of Debt Money begins in earnest.
Forbes wants their readers to think DHS is bureaucrats are simply stupid and the 1.6 billion (really 2.0+ billion now) is just an “accident.” The OWNERS and FINANCIERS of Forbes wouldn’t finance lies to protect self interest and deceive their victims, would they?
It’s all an illusury fraud, people… when money is defined as debt, growth = more debt = more impoverishment and the monetary wealth of one is the inextinguishable debt of everyone else.
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
The Gates Foundation is quite literally a neo-slave master. Their monetary wealth is everyone else’s unpayable debt requiriing them to slave away to pay interest on that debt with no societal hope of ever paying down that debt unless the Gates Foundation gives everyone holding the debt that created it the money to pay it back.
That’s pretty slick of the modern day slave drivers… everyone thinks they are “charitable” simply because they don’t have clue one how the monetary system actually works!
It is not a mistake, it is an Art of War, war is all about deception, societal conquering operation.
“In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
– Ezra Poundjal post=6806 wrote:
During the roman empire the slaves revolted and almost got Rome.The bankers won that battle.
Slaves got slaughtered.
But that was ahrd work. It is so much better to trick your prey to turn over the keys to their home believing that they are the bad guys…
How to be a Crook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc
This video is quite well done, IMHO, as it provides a good context before exposing the criminal syndicate that installed the debt money fractional reserve Trojan Horse system across the world.
The first that happens when “the West,” which has been hijacked by Biggest Finance Capital powers, overthrows a country not already under Debt Money Tyranny, they set up a central bank and install the Debt Money Tyranny Trojan Horse.
jal post=6806 wrote: The slaves in Haiti revolted and won.
The bankers are saying you made your bed and we are going to make sure that you lie in it.
Haiti didn’t win, they just aren’t worth the effort yet. Maybe they banksters will mop them up later. Or not.
jal post=6806 wrote:
What about Cuba? They have been fighting the bankers for 50 years.Kennedy was the only person that stopped LL Lemnitzer and the Joint Chiefs of the hijacked American military from run implementing their false flag operation to invade and conquer Cuba.
Operation Northwoods – read it!
https://archive.org/details/OperationNorthwoods
“(11) Sink ship near harbor entrance. Conduct funerals
for mock-victims (may be lieu of (10)).”The hijacked US military would pretend Castro sunk a ship and pretend that this action murdered people.
“3b. We could blow up a drone (unmanned) vessel anywhere in the Cuban waters. We could arrange to cause such Incident in the vicinity of Havana or Santiago as a spectacular result of Cuban attack from t^ie air or sea, or both. The presence of Cuban planes or ships merely Invefs^gating the intent of the vessel could be fairly compelling evidence that the ship was taken “under attack. The nearness to Havana or Santiago would add credibility especially to those people that might
have heard the blast or have seen the fire. The US could follow up with an air/sea rescue operation covered by US fighters to “evacuate” remaining members of the non-existent crew. Casualty lists In US newspapers would cause a helpfull wave of national indignation,”Blow up a drone, pretend to kill people, use the Vichy media to fool the people with Goebbles style propaganda.
“9bb. On one such flight, a pre -briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable Interval between aircraft. mxie near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been junked by MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly
west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Eslln auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a xTew tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under ‘an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have
disappeared.G. At precisely the same time that the aircraft was presumably shot down a submarine or small surface craft would disburse F-iOl parts, parachute, etc., at approximately 15 to 20 miles off the Cuban coast and depart. The pilots returning to Homestead would have a true story as far as they knew. Search ships and aircraft could be dispatched and parts of aircraft found.”
Read the rest of the document – you can be proud that your government was already fully hijacked and criminal back in the 1960s.
For those that don’t know, Lemnitzer’s false flag ways were so coveted by NATO that they hired him to head their organization. Lemnitzer led the way in the effort to morph Operation Northwoods into Operation Gladio… the effort for the establishment to murder whomever they pleased, preferrably children far removed politics, in order to manipulate and control the populations of Europe.
Back in America, Northwoods went live in the Gulf of Tonkin (America was never attacked!) and the USS Liberty once Kennedy had been removed as veto vote.
jal post=6806 wrote:
Then lets look at the accomplishments of some of the powerful and influential people that knew “THE SCORE”.
Napoleon Bonaparte
Robert Hemphill
Henry Ford
and many more“In our time, the curse is monetary illiteracy, just as inability to read plain print was the curse of earlier centuries.”
-Ezra Pound“The bankers will favor a course of special legislation to increase their power…They will never cease to ask for more, …so long as there is more that can be wrung from the toiling masses of the American People…The struggle with this money power has been going on from the beginning of the history of this country.”
~Peter Cooper, open letter to President Grant, June 1, 1877.“Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
~From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan V. Henkels – online PDF“The bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me, but I will kill it.”
~Said to Martin Van Buren (1832-07-08) and quoted in The Autobiography of Martin Van Buren, published in Annual Report of the American Historical Association for the Year 1918, vol. II (1920), ed. John Clement Fitzpatrick, ch. XLIII (p. 625)
Referring to the Second Bank of the United States“All the perplexities, confusions, and distresses in America arise, not from defects in their constitution or confederation, not from a want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit, and circulation.”
~ John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson (1787-08-25), The Works of John Adams“This institution (privately-owned central banks) is one of the most deadly hostility against the principles of our Constitution…suppose a series of emergencies should occur…an institution like this…in a critical moment might overthrow the government.”
~Thomas Jefferson, December 1803 letter to Treasury Secretary, Albert Gallatin.“We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin and issue money is a function of government. We believe it. We believe that it is a part of sovereignty, and can no more with safety be delegated to private individuals than we could afford to delegate to private individuals the power to make penal statutes or levy taxes…Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank, and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of government, and that the banks ought to go out of the governing business… When we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other reform will be possible, but until this is done there is no other reform that can be accomplished.”
~William Jennings Bryan, Cross of Gold Speech, 1896. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Cross_of_Gold_Speech .“The real menace of our republic is this invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy length over city, state and nation. Like the octopus of real life, it operates under cover of a self created screen….At the head of this octopus are the Rockefeller Standard Oil interests and a small group of powerful banking houses generally referred to as international bankers. The little coterie of powerful international bankers virtually run the United States government for their own selfish purposes. They practically control both political parties.”
~New York City Mayor John F. Hylan, 1922. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hylan“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the larger centers has owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew Jackson — and I am not wholly excepting the Administration of W.W. (Woodrow Wilson). The country is going through a repetition of Jackson’s fight with the Bank of the United States — only on a far bigger and broader basis.”
~ Franklin Roosevelt, letter to Col. Edward Mandell House (21 November 1933); as quoted in F.D.R.: His Personal Letters, 1928-1945, edited by Elliott Roosevelt (New York: Duell, Sloan and Pearce, 1950), pg. 373.“The depression was the calculated ‘shearing’ of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market….The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank.”
~Curtis Dall (FDR’s son-in-law), My Exploited Father-in-Law, 1967.jal post=6806 wrote:
NOTHING CHANGED.This is true. No matter how I run this problem through my head, every single solution has an educated and active contained within it.
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
~Thomas JeffersonWe are an ignorant nation. We don’t even know the pre-requisites to knowing something. We don’t even know to look for contradictions and fallacies.
The solution was identified in ancient times by the likes Pythagorus and implemented by Socrates, Plato and Aristotle.
The Trivium are the first three of the classical liberating arts (making the mind free instead of enslaved to establishment “authority”) and they were scrubbed from the Prussian education system that became the model for America. The Prussian goal was to generate servants to authority – so if an authority figure told you to kill people, you would.
The Milgram Experiment – 65% were ready to kill a person based on monetary payment and the approval of “authority.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment
Most people have no idea who The Big Bad is – to be clear it is the Biggest Finance Capital international banking cartel that inflicts fraudulent Debt/Fractional Reserve Money Tyranny to nation states.
It is the multinational banking/corporation OWNER CLASS and they believe themselves to be supranation – above the nation states.
jal post=6806 wrote:
KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING AND CHANGING WHAT IS HAPPENING IS NOT THAT EASY.Those who control the printing press have the advantage.
Which is, of course, why they use the proceeds of their societal asset stripping to seize control of the major media.
They then sell the idea that the central bankers and politicians are misguided as they gut the world of civil liberties and monetary and real physical wealth.
The international banking cartel will be the ultimate authority over the boot that lands upon your neck.
There are ways to fight back, but people who don’t know how to systematically think and evaluate informations are doomed to being “useful idiots,” as Stalin called them.
The Trivium is key to learn how to learn – the secret withheld from the schooling/conditioning systems today.
https://www.unpluggedmom.com/category/blog/education-transformation/edu-methods/trivium-methods/
(start listening form the bottom)
People then need to learn the monetary system is a societal theft mechanism from the ground up:
Debt Money Tyranny
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
This has been downloaded about 10,000 times and only about 10 people have replied to it directly. This is key information presented in a way I’ve never seen it presented and people can’t seem to muster a response to it.
They also need to understand who the enemy is – Sun Tzu made that clear thousands of years ago. WHO set up this fraudulent monetary system and WHO caused the economic collapse that will destroy the futures, if not lives, of billions of people?
The people who created the bubble always create the bust, for bust always follows bubble like night follows day.
Solutions every day people can make are included on the second page. Pay cash, shop local, buy from small shops, avoid big shops, gain control over the necessities of life, build community, spread the word, identify the criminals so that the criminals won’t deceive the masses and stay in power to continue their wicked evil ways – the sophistication of their evil doesn’t make it any less evil.
You can do all you can to prepare for life in Jeffrey Dahmer’s basement, but at some point you need to identify and get rid of Jeffrey Dahmer or you will likely end up eaten. This is a truth that TAE is not yet comfortable delivering, but I will. It is also a truth that will, in some cases distract from TAE’s overall message because the masses can’t think clearly enough to rationally analyze and understand the world in which they live and to identify the methodologies of the current top dog human predator class. Most will have to lose a pound of flesh, or more, before they are even willing to consider it.
Weapons of Mass Debt
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
Spead the word. Copy those documents and hand them out – but make sure you fully understand the magnitude of them first.
autoearthadmin post=6804 wrote: But after reading through the lazy sloppy “journalism” in the international press in the days following the elections, it was obvious that wouldn’t have been sufficient anymore. Hardly anyone seems to know who Beppe Grillo is, and more importantly, they don’t seem to care. In their minds, because everybody else does it, they are fine calling him a clown, a dictator and (Italian paper Gazetta Del Sud) a “foul-mouthed rabble rouser”. Much easier, because it doesn’t require any research.
Hi Ilargi, I don’t think lazy, sloppy, easy or lack of research has anything to do with it.
“…the J.P. Morgan [banking] interests…. and their subsidiary organizations got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press of the US…. They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. …an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information….”
–Congressman Oscar Callaway statements were included in the Congressional Record (vol. 54, February 9, 1917, p. 2947)When one acts as rent seeker on the money supply, one defines themselves into the Highest Bidder category.
The best way not to get bad press is to identify the key press outlets and buy them up. That way, the stories you want run get run and the stories you don’t want run don’t get run.
The “media” is fake – there is no legal obligation for the media to tell you the truth.
Unsettling Accounts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrwIf Monsanto is able to control Fox News in this manner, how much more are Monsanto’s financiers, scratch that, nation state financiers, are able to control the international media?
Sometimes the truth gets out, though, because not everyone is a bought and paid for high up editor who understands their role. When Dylan Ratigan called for bankers to go jail for their crimes, he was gone from his lead position on prime time CNBS Fast Money within a week.
Cenk Uyger found himself not selling the false narrative up to financial establishment expectations and this video tells the story of how he was 1. Offered more money to say a lot less and 2. Let go.
Cenk Leaves MSNBC (Inside Story)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5x7o0sNrulgThe establishment media has essentially sold their “for profit” soul to Biggest Finance Capital because they know if they bite the only free cash flow hand left, they won’t get “fed.”
The media isn’t lazy or uninformed, they are hired character assassins as guilty of treason as the Vichy French.
Grillo is the victim of a massive logical fallacy attack – in this case ad hoominem. They don’t ever want to address the issues he brought up in his 1998 show, so they attack him personally.
Anyone schooled in the Trivium portion of the classical liberating arts will pick this up right away – like second nature. My guess is the logical fallacies keep on a coming – expect straw men attacks, appeal to authority attacks, etc…
Learn the fallacies, people – the reason these fallacies were codified is because sophists were trained in the logical fallacy arts in order to DECEIVE people. If you don’t know the fallacies then you could easily fall victim to one.
One caveat: the absolute best version of appeal to authority is when a corrupt authority is running an appeal to authority logical fallacy.
For example, when Ben Bernanke, a legitimate authority on the the Federal Reserve System, claims a dual mandate, he’s lying. The reason he gets away with the lie is because people rely on his authority (appeal to authority) instead of actually read Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act itself (the source document and a higher authority than Ben Bernanke).
Weapons of Mass Debt
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77Why would Bernanke play the role of sophist and use appeal to authority logical fallacy in order to deceive his audience?
Because he’s an establishment criminal who broke the singular mandate and uses the “dual mandate” to fool people so they don’t realize the Fed broke the black letter law and blew the world’s largest credit bubble in human history.
If you can’t independently verify something and have to simply rely on the word of an authority, it is an appeal to authority logical fallacy because you can’t exclude the fact the “authority” may well be corrupt and using logical fallacy as a weapon of deception.
The people are on the chessboard. The establishment opposes the people and the chessmaster is Biggest Finance Capital or, as Geeorge Carlin referred to them, The Owners.
At the very top is the small cabal of people who define money and lend money to the nation states. If you want to know where the world is being directed, learn the value system of this cabal of people.
A good start would be reviewing the documentary “The Corporation.”
https://www.youtube.com/user/machbar
This documentary compares the legal corporate structure to the clinical definition of a psychopath (I think sociopath is a better description).
I would put forth for consideration the idea that this cabal that defines money as debt and loans it to the world created the legal corporate structure in their own image – they are profit making sociopaths.
Beppe has a good understanding of Debt Money Tyranny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCpidT53nY&feature=player_embedded#t=177s
This Is Why Central Planners Are So Scared of Italy’s Beppe Grillo
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-10/why-central-planners-are-so-scared-italys-beppe-grillo
Beppe’s critical tone towards Debt Money Tyranny puts him at risk – if he has a sudden heart attack or if some three named assassin takes him out, well, what’s new?
“The bank, Mr. van Buren, is trying to kill me. I will kill it.”
~President Andrew Jackson (survived assassination attempt when two guns misfired in his belly. Davey Crocket then beat down the would be assassin)pipefit post=6784 wrote: It is a lot easier for the fed to just print $85 billion a month, and for Congress to deficit spend $7 trillion a year.
pipefit, this logic is where you jump the track, IMHO.
How to be a Crook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oHbwdNcHbc
It isn’t about “ease,” it is about the people that control the Fed maximizing the profits for themselves and those interests they control.
The corporat emandate is simple – maximize profits. While they don’t teach you this truth in business school, this is equivalent to maximizing debt throughout the rest of society.
Since debt is the banker product, its widget if you will, that means every corporation in the world’s mandate could properly be stated thusly, “maximize banker widgets.”
The Matrix just glitched for those who are paying attention.
So the question, when properly stated, is… what course of action will maximize the real wealth of the interests that control the Fed.
The government does not control the Fed. The Fed is privately controlled by the interests that defined money, created the Fed in the first place and now lend trillions to governments.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol3mEe8TH7w
Napoleon figured out WHO was in control when governments servilely had to plead with bankers for access to money:
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
― Napoleon BonaparteSo. “Money,” as Napoleon called them, have trillions in debt instruments and trillions more in cash. “Money” controls the actions of the Fed and will direct monetary policy.
“If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
– Robert Hemphill
Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.
In the foreword to a book by Irving Fisher, entitled 100% Money (1935)Your thesis is that “Money” will hyperinflate their trillions in wealth away because it is “easy” and “Money” wants to please government workers with paychecks.
I have news for you, “Money” has no motherland and no affinity towards government workers. Their sole object is gain for themselves AND HYPERINFLATING THEIR WEALTH AWAY IS CONTRARY TO THEIR PSYCHOLOGICAL MAKEUP.
So, what will they do?
When their current “looting phase” [steal trillions in the asset “face” of money while offloading trillions in the liability face of money to sucker tax payers], they will restrict credit.
As Hemphill made clear, this will cause America to “starve,” forcing many into bankruptcy.
This will accomplish the following for the money definers/creator class:
1. Their debt paper will be turned into actual real assets. They get the house, the farm, the business, etc… based on money they created from nothing and then lent it into society.
2. Their non TBTF&Jail competition is wiped out enshrining themselves as monopoly power.
3. The prices within society collapse and their trillions in looted cash will then buy up 3 or 4 10 times more physical goods while Americans are eliminated from demand side competition as they starve.
4. The “government,” or, more accurately, wolf bankster operatives dressed up in government sheep outfits, will usher America into receivership for the benefit of the Debt Money Tyrants – the people who defined money as debt and then let it do what it always does, which is covertly and systematically asset strip society and transfer the wealth of society to the financial fraud “Money” class. Why do you think the police state has been financed by the Fed? Why do you think Congress declared America a battle field? Why do you think DHS has orders to buy 2 billion bullets, at least 450 million of which are hollow point and not used for practice because they are expensive? Why do you think DHS has ordered “no hesitation” shooting targets of children, pregnant women, grandma and grandpa types?Oh, you probably don’t believe the last one, do you. Truthfully, you shouldn’t believe anything anyone says, you should gather the data yourself and identify contradictions and fallacies and then remove them – hence my nick name here on these forums.
https://www.infowars.com/company-behind-shooting-targets-of-children-received-2-million-from-dhs/
How about re-education camps in America – they even use the Soviet authoritarian dictatorship term and throw it in your face.
https://www.infowars.com/leaked-u-s-army-document-outlines-plan-for-re-education-camps-in-america/
5. Sets the stage for the Biggest Finance Capital cabal of money definers and nation state money creators to seize possession of the physical world and then hyperinflate to “balance their books” and proclaim that “capitalism failed, you need to be ruled byu the private international banking cartel [that destroyed your country, but the average person won’t figure it out].”
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
~Henry FordI apologize about the length of this post, but the topic is of extreme importance and all the data presented is relevant and important to making the argument.
pipefit post=6779 wrote: Viscount asked, “How can everything be so bad if the market is so good?”
Because we’re in a hyperinflationary depression. Bought any groceries lately, or anything else for that matter. Notice how the packages are smaller and the prices are higher? This is the logical outcome of unrestrained money creation by those in charge.
For the fiscal year ending 9/30/2012, the federal govt. ran a GAAP budget deficit of $6.9 trillion. That’s about 40% of GDP. Money creation in the extreme.
Why should China call us out now? We’re suppressing the price of gold, enabling them to get in cheap. When the time is right for them, they will dump the dollar, don’t ask me when.
The second chart of credit and monetary aggregates belies your hyperinflationary thesis…
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=218297
Reported monetary and credit aggregates are **barely** above the 2007 high and there is probably a few trillion “mark to myth” fraud propping the number as high as it is.
Prices are going up because trillions are being directed the mega banks so they can gamble on food stuffs. This is nothing new, Andrew Jackson had to deal with the criminal banker cartel doing the very same thing in his day…
“Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank [updated to tax payers now]. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
~From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan V. Henkels – online PDFIt wasn’t hyperinflation back then and it isn’t now. Hyperinflation will only occur if it benefits the criminal money defining/government loaning class and not one iota before.
Viscount St. Albans post=6773 wrote: Why is the stock market making all-time highs?
My short positions are hemorrhaging. I’m going to bleed-out if this keeps up.
How can everything be so bad if the market is so good? Is Stoneleigh going to update things sometime? At some point, the disconnect is so blazing hot, your brain gets third degree burns just for thinking in the gutter.
I look around and I see cars accelerating, and I hear jets soaring overhead, and I smell burgers and steaks sizzling at the cafes. I pinch my skin and I learn two things: I’m getting fat and no, I’m not dreaming.
I’ve started watching Jim Cramer again.
Dear Viscount, the market is going up because that is the direction that will inflict the most pain on everyone outside the inner party.
Completely wipin gout the shorts usually precedes wiping out the longs when the bubble collapses.
One fundamental reason why stocks might do better than some would otherwise expect is because ObamaCare was written to eliminate corporate healthcare and pass it off on to the citizen. All that corporate money spent of healthcare now will be pure gravy for the corporations in the future.
Remember, folks, the monetary system is a 5th grade level fraud upon society.
If I lend you $20 in Federal Trivium Notes @ 5% interest.
After one year, you owe me $21, but I only gave you $20.
The only way you can pay me back is if I allow you to pay me back – I’m in the control, the sovereign, if you will.
“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
– Napoleon BonaparteIf I allow you to work for me, you can earn that $1 in interest from me, in a timely manner, and then pay me the $1 in addition to the $20 I lent you originally – nobody has any money anymore.
I could do the same as above, except you would trade your assets for the $1 in a timely manner. Again, nobody has any money when the debts are paid.
Or, I can create another $20 in debt to make the first $21 easier to pay off, but I’ve then created an exponential debt growth machine that would produce something similar to this (second chart)…
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=218297
The point is the people who control and profit from the institutions that lend nation states money ar simply con artists that suck labor, suck assets and asset strip society based on the ebb and flow of the bubble / bust cycles they engineer.
It’s all fraud, people – criminals are running the show at the very top.
That’s why their puppet Presidential Puppet demands the right to murder anyone he wants, anytime he wants with no oversight.
“If all the bank loans were paid up, no one would have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of currency or coin in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial banks for our money. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money, we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent monetary system. When one gets a complete grasp upon the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible – but there it is. It (the monetary system problem) is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it is widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
Robert H. Hemphill, Credit Manager, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank, in foreword to 100% Money by Irving Fisher 1936One mechanism used by this international criminal debt money fraud cartel to exert control is the Council on Foreign Relations.
This presentation by Jame Perloff is excellent on the whole…
Various states have bills to label GMO foods.
If you can support the state intitiatives to label GMO, that’s a first step to trying to fight this branch of the Debt Money Tyrant tree.
The root source of the problem are the people behind the Debt Money Tyranny system. They want to patent and control the food supply and maximize their Big Chemical, Big Bio, Big Agra and Big Pharma profits.
Until we admit that the Debt Money Tyrants are the problem, nothing will change. Sun Tzu was clear – if you don’t even know your enemy, you are done.
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
The debt is unpayable from society’s standpoint by design.
Debt is the banker “widget,” the people that run the mega banks run the world, therefore every solution to every problem is more banker “widgets.”
Until it isn’t – because increased debt issuance can not last forever.
So why do it? I’ll let one of the world’s top industrialists of his day explain…
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
~Henry FordFord correctly identified the root cause of society’s being brought into subjugation, the monetary system, and he identified the end goal as Big Finance Capital Debt Money Tyrant authoritarian rule over humanity.
Henry Ford, Sr. correctly identified the solution…
The youth who can solve the money question will do more for the world than all the professional soldiers of history. – Henry Ford Sr.
All the perplexities, confusion and distress (Ed. note – crime, poverty, substance abuse, family disintegration, government immorality and dishonesty, etc.) in America arise, not from defects in the Constitution or confederation, not from want of honor or virtue, so much as from downright ignorance of the nature of coin, credit and circulation.”
-President John Adams“We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government. We believe it. We believe it is a part of sovereignty….
“Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business.
“When we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other necessary reforms will be possible, and that until that is done there is no reform that can be accomplished.”
~William Jennings BryanWe can scratch surface issues all day long, but until we identify the root cause of the problem and, even more importantly, the people willing that root cause into existence, we are doomed to simply watch as the Debt Money Tyrants wage Art of War on a defenseless population.
That is, until the boot lands on the neck of humanity.
A GMO thread with lots of relevant information.
The latest Big Finance Capital agenda is to put aspartame in the milk supply without labeling it as being included.
https://www.activistpost.com/2013/02/aspartame-in-milk-without-label-big.html
Don’t worry about the Big Finance Capital political operatives, though… they will be eating organic…
https://www.sfgate.com/green/article/Pelosi-leads-the-House-to-go-organic-in-its-3234457.php
Hi Gravity,
You are outside the false narrative matrix and are engaging reality – and that’s a good thing. Those that have an American Express card intuitively know that some group controls it and some group profits from it – even if they have no idea WHO it is.
The national bipartisan government enforced credit card with no grace period and no perks is no different. Some group controls it and some group profits from it (and the groups can overlap).
People define conspiracy differently – mostly they define it so that it doesn’t exist and this makes them feel “safer” somehow.
If someone has covertly rigged a system, actively works to cover it up and the end result of this rigging is to hurt society badly, well, that’s a conspiracy to do harm in my book – and I don’t care if it is “on the books” legal or not.
Using that definition of conspiracy, this is the grandest conspiracy of them all because, with the free market veneer over of this monetary Trojan Horse, the HIGHEST BIDDER always wins.
What does this cabal that runs and profits from the monetary Trojan Horse control?
What industries and institutions are beholden to the HIGHEST BIDDER that would interest the HIGHEST BIDDER?
Those are the industries and institutions beholden to the HIGHEST BIDDER.
Of course, government would be #1 on that list, because that means they’d control the military to ensure it wasn’t used to asset strip the oligarchs. They’d also want the military complex as well – and for the same reason.
I don’t have personal knowledge of what this criminal cabal controls, but I have a good idea – anything SUPER BIG is almost assuredly controlled by them. You can own shares in Monsanto, but you can’t control it and you can’t control its capture of the FDA and the government, either. The Money Power can, though. And they do – they’d be morons not to.
We have to start viewing the world in terms of individuality… the social engineers create groups and then divide the groups as they use the media and our tribal instinct to set us at each other’s throats. No, we need to identify the real controllers of society that hijacked the education system in an effort to stunt our intellectual growth, frustrate a big portion of us and break out spirits.
When we stop and think about it… it is absurd to talk in terms of “the Jews control…” this or that. “The Jews” aren’t monolithic. My Jewish neighbor doesn’t know or influence Osama bin Bernanke (he’s just a front talking head to keep your eyes off the Owners of the mega banks that tell Osama bin Bernanke what he’s going to do.
Jewish common folk aren’t immune from mega banks committing unlimited perjury as they file false paperwork to steal citizen homes.
The vast majority of Jews are victims of this wickedness perpetrated by wicked people – their nationality, their claimed religion… whatever, doesn’t matter. Content of character does.
500,000 Jews took to the streets and protested their criminals Big Finance Capital oligarch controlled government – they are being ground down just like the rest of us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpJov7TRspI&feature=related
As for the “illuminati signs” and the alleged Satanism of this particular, I think that is a distraction that ultimately keeps us off the path of exposing the 100% certain math behind their criminal societal asset stripping and national bankrupting crime spree.
Think about it this way… if you are in debt now, as are most people, that means all the productive labor of your ancestors over thousands of years has been effectively siphoned off by a group of intellectual criminals.
The Bible says that the love of money is a root of all evil.
So, if you were the most Machiavellian, wicked evil on planet Earth, what would you do?
Control.
The.
Money.
You can’t solve a problem until the root cause has been removed from the system. That’s problem solving 101. Analyzing the problem is fine, but it won’t be fixed until the root cause is identified and eliminated.
Not by violence, but by education and intellect.
Pay cash to buy local – 100% of the money stays in the community.
Boycott the BIGS – Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Costco, etc…
Don’t bank with the BIGS, go the credit union route.
Stop voting for bankster candidate A or B. Make a bankster financed candidate a political suicide candidate.
Educate others. Be open to information yourself. I learn new stuff all the time – and I love it. There is so much I don’t know… Don’t be offended by the sharing of ideas. Stop and consider them. Ask questions. Apply logic and context.
The solutions aren’t difficult, but do we care to inconvenience ourselves to make the world a better place?
Big Finance Capital is the mega-corporate Borg and debt based money fraud, and all the spin-offs like government capture, quadrillion+ in derivatives, corporate asset stripping wars, mega-bank drug money laundering, etc… are their products.
PS – It is way more important to understand the system than the personalities behind it. We’ll never know exactly WHO is behind this and how much everyone knows, but we can, CONCLUSIVELY, know that the system they created is fraud and we can find ways to alert people “with eyes to see and ears to hear.”
davefairtex post=5693 wrote: Trivium –
Thanks for clarifying whether or not you are anti-semitic. It seems clear that you are not. I’m glad that your remedy for The Money Power isn’t sending everyone of Jewish descent away to camps for them to be killed.
I’m all for replacing the system of debt based money and debt slavery with something better. I just have no interest in interacting with anyone suggesting any sort of sweeping group-oriented Final Solution style “remedy.”
Dave, something to consider. I’ve never covered any topic that would lead anyone to believe that I’m anti-semitic.
However, the criminals that run this system create the false narrative that anyone highlighting the fraudulent monetary system must be anti-semitic in order to shut down debate about their fraudulent monetary scheme.
This isn’t an accident – it is by design.
We can’t underestimate the Machiavellian nature of the ruling financial oligarchs.
But do appreciate you asking me to clarify my position instead of simply shutting down intellectually and accusing me of something I find abhorrent and, frankly, dumber than door nails (racism).
davefairtex post=5693 wrote: Trivium –
Thanks for clarifying whether or not you are anti-semitic. It seems clear that you are not. I’m glad that your remedy for The Money Power isn’t sending everyone of Jewish descent away to camps for them to be killed.
I’m all for replacing the system of debt based money and debt slavery with something better. I just have no interest in interacting with anyone suggesting any sort of sweeping group-oriented Final Solution style “remedy.”
Hi Dave, you aren’t more glad than I! I’ve observed that people seem to have a tribal instinct that the social engineers are able manipulate to their own advantage. Whether it is color of skin, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, residency status, whatever. That’s the blue print to divide and then conquer. If we don’t fall for the divide, we will be more difficult to conquer. Alas, so many people fall for the divide that precedes the conquering.
This is good vs evil, positive vs negative, justice vs criminality – those are all content of character issues.
The only way to combat a system that preys upon our ignorance is to spend the time and effort to undo the ignorance.
For those who find wisdom in the Old Testament, “My people perish for lack of knowledge.”
We need to elevate the knowledge. Either the common person wakes up and resists this tyranny or we are doomed.
Those who have prepared will have to fight off the millions who haven’t and, even if they can do that, they will then have to fight off the Central State as they go around slamming boots on people’s necks.
None of us are safe in this wicked system – and I get that is a very uncomfortable realization. However, people have faced up to this reality in the past.
“Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it”
~Patrick HenryDo note that Bush’s (Republican House and Senate) FEMA ran around the United States teaching local law enforcement and fire fighters that George Washington and the Founding Fathers were the first American terrorists.
Shocking FEMA Training Video- “Founding Fathers were TERRORISTS”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAs7V3dDEN4
Dave, if you haven’t seen Renaissance 2.0, I highly recommend the whole thing:
https://www.csper.org/renaissance-20.html
Renaissance 2.0 slices through the false narrative and shows how the world actually functions. Once this concept is understood, the myriad of perceived irrational contradictions (most of the time falsely reconciled by “they are stupid”) all fall into place.
If you haven’t seen The Corporation, I highly recommend it as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmXgedNKgjI
The reason the Corporation is so important is that it reveals WHO we are dealing with here. The documentary compares the corporate legal structure to the clinical definition of a psychopath.
My argument is that the people with enough power to create the corporate psychopath model DID SO IN THEIR OWN IMAGE.
When you understand the profit making psychopath and anti-human, anti-decency nature of a corporation, you now understand the nature of Big Finance Capital that created our monetary system and the corporate structure.
I get this isn’t a pleasant realization and nobody want to deal with a predatory Big Finance Capital class that is literally out to rob, impoverish and hurt us, but I stand with Patrick Henry’s idea expressed as, “For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”
Unlike Patrick Henry, though, I’m not calling for a physical revolution, rather, I’m calling for an intellectual revolution of an educated and active populace that understands the real danger it faces and not the false dangers promoted by the powers that represent the real danger.
I’m not eloquent, I’m not subtle, I’m not a word smith and I don’t possess magnetic charisma that Big Finance Capital likes to use to manipulate and control the population…
“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
― Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic EraI do the best I can with the knowledge and skills I have because that is all I can do. So I do it and hope more eloquent and persuasive people will “get it” and carry the message much further than I ever could.
Make no mistake – this is a clear and present danger to everything we hold dear about our country, our state, our county, our city and our community.
Just ask the Greeks.
Just ask the Spanish.
There is no solution, unless one’s solution is to bankrupt them and transfer control of the nation state over the private corporate interests… the very same interests engineered the systematic asset stripping of society and the coming Greatest Depression.
From 1912:
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/–W_6SbrtNR0/TprOVVSfanI/AAAAAAAAAcY/2f4AjNMx6Fw/s1600/money+trust.jpg
“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.”
~Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.davefairtex post=5688 wrote: Trivium-
So I did a bit of research on what the code words “Money Power” mean and I’d like you to clarify something: do you believe as Henry Makow does, that The Money Power is basically Jewish in origin? Or does Money Power mean something different to you?
You’ve been coy about talking about this ever since I started reading your posts, and now I have a sense as to why that might be. Here’s your chance to clarify things so I don’t get an incorrect impression of your viewpoint.
Money Power is pretty clear – it is the people who created our fraudulent “national credit card currency” money system and the people who control it (by extension, it could also include the direct minions of the system that understand how it operates and support it by not outing it.). That’s how I define it and that’s how I use it. That’s it – no secret decoder ring here. I’m for transparency, not this secrecy stuff. I’m fighting those who work in the dark to rip off the common person.
I don’t use it as a “code word.” If others do, that’s on them. Divide and conquer is a well known methodology to control and conquer populations. I know nothing about this Makow person, but I do know one method the Money Power uses to try to silence opposition or shut down debate, data sharing and logical analysis.
Now, the Money Power narrative is that anyone who talks about the Money Power is anti-Semitic. That’s one method of ad hominem attack on anyone who, like me, might try to out their criminal methodologies.
You’d expect the media they finance and control to show the masses anti-Fed people who also spout anti-Semitic remarks, thereby linking the two in the minds of surface thinking people. They did this with the LA teacher in the Occupy Wall Street movement they plastered on the “news.”
That’s absolutely not where I’m coming from and some deeper thinking will reveal the simple hoax of that irrational train of thought.
1. Did the average Jewish person get to keep their home when the mega banks committed (continue to commit) perjury and file false paperwork to literally steal the serf homes?
2. Does the average Jewish person in Jefferson County get a smaller sewer bill than the other folks after JP Morgan bribed the county officials (who were convicted and went to jail) and upped their sewer renovation cost by $1 billion or do they pay up out of their blood, sweat and toil like everyone else? Did JP Morgan return the money they stole to the Jewish residents or did they simply keep all the bribery loot?
3. Did Bernie Madoff avoid ripping off any common Jewish folks (while JP Morgan likely rant the $50 billion back office operation – that’s the claim in a lawsuit, anyway. There’s no way Bernie did without a mega financial institution’s help)?
4. Did any common Jewish people get the memo that GMO hasn’t been tested in rats longer than 90 days and the cancer start in the next month and are much larger and between 250-350% more frequent?
5. Did the average Jewish people get the memo that the EPA scientists oppose water fluoridation and that Harvard released a study showing a correlation between fluoride ingestion and brain damage in children?
6. If the common Jewish person gets it so good in this system, why to 500,000 of them gather and protest their Money Power controlled government?
7, Did the Jewish people on 9/12/01 get a special memo to avoid breathing in the toxic fumes after the government said publicly the toxic brew air was just fine?
No, I’m not anti-Semitic. Far from it. I’m pro-humanity, inclusive of all people that aren’t criminals waging asymmetrical war on everyone else. You can call them the Predator Class. I am anti-criminal oligarchs who criminally rig the systems to impoverish the common person.
I spend a lot of time educating as many people as possible about these financial crimes so they can understand the context in which they live and do their best to prepare for their family’s future.
BTW, thanks for asking and not just leaping to an erroneous conclusion and then sliming me with it.
Martin Luther King was right. Content of character is all that matters. It is pure insanity to gauge a person on anything but.
I didn’t oppose Obama because he was black and I don’t oppose Romney because he’s white. I oppose them because they are front men for a wicked, criminal system engineered to impoverish the common person, be they male, female, white, black, Asian, Jewish, Christian, short, tall, light, heavy or whatever.
I’ve identified the criminal system and I’m exposing it.
By definition, the people who run it will have some characteristics. Short, tall, pink, light brown, dark brown, atheist, Christian, Muslim, Jewish, fat, skinny, whatever. Those traits are meaningless in this context, contrary to the divide and conquer techniques that have, apparently, poisoned the well of the common person’s ability to logically evaluate this divide and conquer methodology.
Their wicked, evil character and their criminal Debt Money Tyranny system are the issue.
“The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is **the people** (all of us!) versus the banks (controlled by the Money Power or, if you prefer, a term I used a while back that drew plenty of blank stares… Big Finance Capital).”
~John Dalberg Lord Actonjal post=5684 wrote: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-10-12/great-chess-game
Here is the main point of the article.
“Humans are selfish creatures, we all want the best for ourselves, our family, our town, our tribe, our country – that is just part of human evolution that has enabled us to succeed. However that competitive streak has outlived its purpose and is in fact destroying us. The ultimate in selfishness is really the desire to survive – don’t we all want to survive (and hopefully prosper)? If we are going to fulfill that ultimately selfish wish then it’s actually necessary for us to evolve beyond competing and abandon clearly failed and destructive actions.”
Read it again and weep.
The combined Individual “wants of a better life” create the growth of societies.
None of us living can change our wants.
Hopefully the surviving generations will be able to find a compromise that will allow them to survive.
Selfishness based on a false value system is absolutely, IMHO, the #1 problem facing humanity.
But that isn’t a reason to give up, it is a reason to strive for better and to identify the shackles used to enslave society and identify the shacklers as the criminals they are.
To not do so is an expression of selfishness based on a false value system, too.
All the poor people who go vote for a President without a clue that voter fraud occurred before they even cast their vote… Money Power puppet on the left, Money Power puppet on the right.
Tails the Money Power wins, heads the Money Power wins.
The Debt Money Trojan Horse shall remain in place either way, its engineered destruction at least keeps Ilargi busy writing blog posts.
Professorlocknload post=5680 wrote: @Triv,
But removing the ball and chains involves risk. Not for the weak spirited.
That stated, even within Auschwitz there were markets.
History? The one that “never repeats, but sometimes rhymes?” M.Twain
If it doesn’t fit the agenda, go back and change it. It’s done every day. I prefer the now, with just enough respect for the “then,” to avoid undue pain.
All wagers are on human action and reaction, not the way some central planner demands that it be.
If we aren’t learning new things every day, every week, every month, we aren’t paying attention.
I heard an excellent analogy for the Federal Reserve System that most people can identify with (those with ears to hear – and many frankly don’t).
The Federal Reserve System is like a government (both parties, BTW, and they aren’t telling anyone!) mandated credit card for the nation, say American Express. Our taxes are like the minimum payment on that credit card. The only way anyone can get paid is to earn someone else’s cash advance away from them.
WHO finances the government? Well, that would be the OWNERS / CONTROLLERS of the credit card. Since the politicians owe their livelihood to the credit card OWNERS / CONTROLLERS, the politicians know not to bite the hand that feeds them… you know, like governing for the benefit of the people instead of the OWNERS / CONTROLLERS of the credit card.
It isn’t conspiracy theory, people, it is the basic cost / benefit economics of a fraudulent Debt Money Tyranny system engineered to bankrupt society and convey assets to the front corporations controlled by the Money Power – the credit card OWNERS and CONTROLLERS in the previous example.
The problem with pretending these people aren’t very powerful is that this same criminal class will offer the solution to the collapse they have engineered.
And if you don’t like the collapse, you **really** won’t like their solution once it is fully implemented. Of course, the lies will usher it in… being that we are gullible and fall for the lies so darn easily. But the lies are only to cover for the wickedness that will follow…
Just like the “new economy” and “ownership society” nonsense preceded the guaranteed bankruptcy of most Americans.
p01 post=5677 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=5675]
History has no relevance?
Yes, it does. Slavery and serfdom is what all recorded (less than 1% of Man’s existence on the planet) history was all about, and it’s guaranteed to repeat again (the other possible outcome is, of course, nuclear winter). However, you are obsessed with effects and somehow have a very distorted view of the “Good Ole Past”, when the Moral-estests of bearded (and sometimes not so bearded) Men walked the Earth (it’s a cargo cultist type of thing that many of us are somehow drawn into: some worship Atlantis, others Greece, Rome, the 50’s, the 60’s, the Founding Father’s Era, or other romanticized versions of the Great Past). Everybody agrees there’s a criminal clique up there. The problem is not the clique, it’s the amount of power they have, and that is built into civilization by definition. But if you acknowledged the cause, there won’t be much to ramble about, would it? The cause it the Ultimate Conversation Stopper. Ever. And it’s irreversible.
p01, just because you dreamed up some false reality about my views doesn’t make it true. I don’t believe in some kind of great past… you made that up out of whole cloth.BTW, that’s not what I have ever said I believe in simply because it isn’t what I believe.
Humans are complex creatures. Sometimes they do great good and sometimes they do great evil. Andrew Jackson was dead on wrt the criminal international banking cartel, but he was wicked when it came to dealing with Native Americans.
I believe I know the root cause with crystal clear clarity – human selfishness.
But most people put that on the evil doers. You know, the grouop Dave took me to task for saying even existed and the ones you say almost everyone knows exists. Yeah, that group. And they deserve the wrath.
But they aren’t alone. I believe the Einstein correctly nailed the problem…
“The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don’t do anything about it.”
~Albert EinsteinThere are two main reasons why people don’t do anything about the grand evil that is wicked as the day is long, even if camouflaged in an illusion of respectability.
1. Ignorance – and I aim to reduce that.
2. Selfishness.I would suggest that effort spent identifying and fighting humanity’s enemy and exposing this groups’ methodology is time better spent than making up fables about my belief system.
Nobody is going to agree on all the details, nor should they. That would mean they aren’t thinking for themselves.
But to assume a group of people who ride the government like it was a pet pony and who…
1. Enforce Debt Money Tyranny across the entire Western world (at least I don’t know any nation that doesn’t have it)
2. Bomb the usury free Muslim nations as they set up Central Banks to enforce Debt Money Tyranny over the recently vanquished.
…all under the complete cover of the politicians, the major media, the education system, the religious system, etc…
And no, they aren’t dumb. They aren’t ignorant. Those conditions can be fixed with knowledge. Go ahead, prove me wrong – contact your favorite politicians, explain debt based money to them and then post a link to their press conference exposing the fraud.
Ain’t.
Gonna.
Happen.
But you may get put on a special list… so you won’t do it, right? You aren’t scared of such impotent people, are you?
I don’t see impotence pulling off the above. That’s not a reasonable conclusion, IMHO.
BTW, the plan throughout history is “boom / bust.”
Bust is all part of their plan – that’s when they roll up society’s assets up under their TBTF mega front corporations.
Ask the Greeks how that is going. The hard assets in Greece aren’t declining, rather, the Greeks are just losing them. Losing them to the folks most in control of the Debt Money Tyranny system. Exactly as per this stage of the plan.
If you think an economic collapse means this group isn’t powerful then, IMHO, I suggest you re-analyze their battle plan to destroy your country, steal your liberty and freedom and dominate you in the impoverishment they orchestrated for you.
But them, they’ll be living larger than ever.
And some will think it was just the “luck of the draw.”
Others will know better.
p01 post=5673 wrote: I see the Builders are starting to get overanxious as they enter overtime and as their timeline starts overlapping that of the delayed slaves. The quotes remain the same, though, from dead dudes who lived when the foundations of the pyramid were just being laid, and have zero relevance whatsoever. Now, let’s invoke that free market unicorn again. :whistle:
History has no relevance?
“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”
~George SantayanaProf LnL, I don’t doubt that Mises was his own man and didn’t purposefully shill for Money Power interests, but I do believe they found enough in his theories that they funded him as their “opposition,” a roll in which his theories play a roll today.
If you were mega corporations, wouldn’t you want a “free market” after you’ve already rigged the system and are the biggest kid on the block by far?
If you had manipulated the gold standard to rob the average person for hundreds of years, wouldn’t you want a legion of people promoting the very mechanism that you’ve used to enslave so many before?
Now, I think that Mises’ theories apply in an ideal world, just not so much in a world where a misguided self interest plays such a key roll – and gets worse up the power pyramid.
As an example, I don’t think the average al Qaeda fighter in Libya or Syria knows that they are tools of the Money Power… yet they are.
1. West (Money Power hijacked) targets Russia -> al Qaeda
2. West (Money Power hijacked) targets Serbia -> al Qaeda
3. Money Power targets American civil liberties and initiates the full on police state excuse -> al Qaeda
4. West (Money Power hijacked) targets non threatening Libya -> al Qaeda
5. West (Money Power hijacked) target Syria -> al QaedaYou are dead on – political frameworks are cognitive ball and chains. Removing the ball and chains open up the world for discovery.
Professorlocknload post=5665 wrote: Trivium,
Here are all the emails you need to clear up the misconception that the Mises Institute has any affiliation with Rockefeller.
Hi Prof, that isn’t what I said.
I said the Rockefeller Foundation financed Mises’ trip to the United States and then funded Mises himself.
I have no doubt that Rockwell despises the Rockefellers and, I’d venture to guess, he’d never accept Rockefeller money out of disgust for the source of the money.
But that doesn’t mean that the Money Power crowd can’t find value in how to leverage libertarianism as the “opposition” to their current criminal operation.
I think Rockwell is more honest than people like Ron Paul, though. Rockwell calls the Federal Reserve criminals – because they are.
Paul has this fake shtick about these criminals being “academics” or the like. That’s pure poppycock and I believe the chance of Paul being that ignorant are exceptionally low.
davefairtex post=5659 wrote: Trivium –
So, why would they think the Euro benefits them when it is a debt backed currency that is engineered to bankrupt them? Using logic applied to the known data, we can reasonably surmise that the temporary ability to buy lots of stuff was really cool and they want to try and keep that party going and avoid the pain of going back to their own currency post Euro bubble relative to their own currency.
No. We cannot “reasonably surmise.” That’s just your guess, based on…your guess. One of many possible guesses that might be equally valid.
Hi Dave, I’m not guessing how debt based money works in the aggregate, I know how it works in the aggregate. It works like this…
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
Since that money / debt flow chart didn’t seem to “click” with you, let me explain it another way.
You are the bank and I am society.
You lend me $20 at 5% interest so I can run my economy with $20 cash.
After 1 year, I owe you $21, yet, you only created $20 to give to me.
Now, those that say this debt is unpayable are technically wrong. It is payable under three circumstances:
1. I work for you and, in a timely manner, earn all the interest paid to you ($1) and return it to you, in a timely manner, so I’ve paid back $21.
2. I sell you my stuff, in a timely manner, earn all the interest paid to you ($1) and return it to you, in a timely manner, so I’ve paid back $21.
3. I rob you and pay back the $21 in a timely manner.
Dave, do you see how that is a rigged system from the standpoint of society?
You, the “bank,” literally control the destiny of me, society – holding it literally hostage to bankruptcy.
If you don’t understand this fraud perpetrated upon society, you will not understand what I’m saying and you will reach erroneous conclusions about my arguments and my conclusions.
I get that the societal narrative is that conspiracy is off limits as though it never occurs (read some history – it is all about conspiracy -lol-, and duly note that this societal, anti-conspiracy, anti-critical thinking narrative is a conspirator’s wet dream) and only “kooks” develop conspiracy hypothesis based on data and logic.
But the societal narratives can be financed into existence and often misrepresent reality to the self interest of the very powerful. One such false narrative is that the Federal Reserve claims its mandate to be to maintain low unemployment and stable prices.
That’s a bald faced lie.
That’s not their mandate. If you actually read the mandate, you should be able to figure out the lie. If you can’t, I will expose the lie for you.
But that’s not the only lie. Stable prices are not ever inflating )exponentially growing) prices. The Fed lies about its mandate and then can’t even keep its lie!
Oh, but it gets better, Dave. There is no penalty in Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act, is there? Read it again. And again. And again. No penalty, right?
That means it isn’t even a law – for a law without a penalty isn’t really a law, it is propaganda.
But the non propaganda laws that apply to serfs, well, they have penalties. H8ll, Dave, there are even penalties for legally protesting the fact that the oligarch laws have no penalties – and that’s not even illegal! See how that works?
But not the oligarch class… But I’m sure these lying, black letter law criminals are just too stupid to know that a law needs a penalty… well, except when those laws apply to you and I. Then they get “smart” all of a sudden.
See how that works? Except it doesn’t work. It is only logical if the banker financed law makers never intended for the Federal Reserve to keep the law, therefore, they didn’t impose any penalties for breaking the laws, the Federal Reserve went on to knowingly and criminally break the law (in cohort with the mega banks whose owners control the Federal Reserve System – imagine them knowing they would blow the world’s largest credit bubble in advance… what money to loot from society by leveraging up into it!) and now they lie on multiple levels to cover up their complicity.
Now that makes perfect sense. it explains the fake law, it explains the criminal activity, it explains the lying and cover up.
“This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth….When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized….The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill….”
~Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.“Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank [now they offload it to ignorant tax payers – even better!]. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will
ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin [Bingo!]! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!”
~From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan HenkelsWHO created the Federal Reserve System that you want to claim was some kind of societal coping mechanism decided upon by a society and not a few private financial oligarchs at Jekyll Island?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k
How come a debt based monetary system is required to create the inflation that you correctly state was required to work with and promote a growing population and economy?
There are lots and lots and lots of data points that need to be aggregated before before concluding what makes us feel most comfortable.
As for my purpose, yes, it is to highlight the criminal class and to bring them to justice – isn’t that what one does for criminals? Or has Stockholm Syndrome become so prevalent that we are just supposed to be serially victimized by oligarchs and ask for more and, perhaps, fight anyone who would dare try to bring justice to the criminal oligarch class?
In addition, I have concluded that Thomas Jefferson was right…
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.” Thomas Jefferson (Ford, writings of Thomas Jefferson, 10:4)
If society is not aware of the criminals who perpetuate societal-wide fraud or, worse yet, they actually protect them from exposure, society is doomed to a future of tyrannical neo-feudal serfdom.
Again, that conclusion is based on many, many data points that I’d be happy to share if anyone is interested.
“All war is deception.”
~Sun Tzu, Art of War“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.”
~Charles A. Lindbergh (Congressman, The Economic Pinch, 1921)“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men’s views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.”
~President Woodrow Wilson“The bank, Mr. van Buren, is trying to kill me. I will kill the bank.”
~President Andrew Jackson“And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.”
~Thomas Jefferson“Yes, we may all congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing a close. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. The best blood of the flower of American youth has been freely offered upon our country’s altar that the nation might live. It has been, indeed, a trying hour for the republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudice of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of the war. God grant that my suspicion may prove groundless.”
~Abraham Lincoln“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning… The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
~Henry FordWe have to become more sophisticated as a society so that the wolves can’t keep preying upon us and our families.
If we don’t, the current trajectory will not only not change, it will accelerate.
Professorlocknload post=5666 wrote: Steve B, “Pretty funny. Prof, meet Triv.”
Care to help me understand that? I’m new around these parts and don’t know too many here yet.
Hi Prof, I think the joke is that I was told not to post that link to Gatto’s video any more since I had already posted it too much. 😉
Hi Prof LnL,
Some data points and logic to ponder…
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
~Vladimir LeninThe Libertarian Party: A Rothchild Hack?
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=212587Tragedy and Hope (highly recommended reading, you can search the web for delicious quotes from Georgetown University history professor Carroll Quigley’s book – the guy who influences Presidents)
https://archive.org/details/TragedyAndHope
Always keep your head on a swivel. Always be very suspect of anything big and well financed.
davefairtex post=5656 wrote: Trivium –
Hi Dave, has it ever occurred to you that the “mess we’re in” is precisely the objective of the social engineers?
Lots and lots of things have occurred to me over my lifetime. Certainly, that is one of them. Since I’m not in possession of the secret handshake, and I’ve not been invited to any of the the meetings, I can’t properly judge what is and what is not a precise objective of the social engineers – or if said group exists, or if said group is organized, uniform, etc. For those who are NOT in said group or have specific knowledge of actual events that have occurred at said meeting, assuming you have relatively complete knowledge of its motivations and inner workings seems … well lets just say that’s just not my style. I’m a data-driven guy.
For instance, I can speculate why the Greeks want to stay in the eurozone (and I definitely do speculate) but I don’t have the hubris to pretend that I really KNOW why this is the case. And honestly, it’s quite enough for me to know that they currently want to stay. Speculation is really for amusement purposes only. There’s data, and there’s speculation, and I know which is which.
To me, your assertions on all of these “social engineering” matters stray far outside any data I personally have, so I normally choose not to go there. As far as I know, you could be right, you could be wrong, you could be right about direction and wrong on intent – how could I possibly assess for myself what is correct since I have seen you present no actual information at all, just naked assertion. And to me, naked assertion does not constitute reliable data.
Clearly you are convinced of your position. I’m certainly not debating it with you – I can’t, because I have no information with which to do that. And that’s about all I can say on this subject.
Hi Dave, I didn’t mean to offend. I’m a data guy, too, with an aptitude for micro-economics (my favorite class in school and I’m a process engineer by trade).
You know, in general, why the Greeks tend to want to stay in the Euro. They think it benefits them. That’s basic, basic economics theory, not some wild ride of the imagination. Right?
So, why would they think the Euro benefits them when it is a debt backed currency that is engineered to bankrupt them? Using logic applied to the known data, we can reasonably surmise that the temporary ability to buy lots of stuff was really cool and they want to try and keep that party going and avoid the pain of going back to their own currency post Euro bubble relative to their own currency.
This is basic economics on a broad level, not some wild eyed speculation based upon nothing – at least IMHO.
What they apparently don’t understand, like the Argentinians before them who fell for the same bubble / bust trap, is that the bubble is seductive poison before the toxic after effects take place.
The Euro is engineered to enslave Greeks, as well as Germans, too. Debt Money Tyranny only enriches the tyrants in the end – and the average person is not a tyrant.
You should also know that the Federal Reserve has blown a criminal bubble and seriously lied about their mandate for 30 years running. Criminals commit black letter law crimes and then lie about it to cover it up.
Here’s the data, being that we are both data people:
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=207083
Stratpage.com searth “Federal Reserve Act Section 2A” and then read about their true mandate being to keep monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the long term national production potential – NOT TO TAKE IT EXPONENTIAL TO.
The data and logic make it clear that the bubble was criminally undertaken. The lies to cover it up and the lies trying to avoid accountability prove it so beyond any reasonable doubt.
These same criminals oversee Debt Money Tyranny – which is engineered to systematically asset strip society and subjugate them, which is pretty obvious in this chart:
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?tr=77
Now, if you expect the criminals to come right out and lay out all the details of their plan in public before you will believe them to be criminals… that’s an unreasonable condition because criminals don’t do that very often. Like, almost never.
You have to engage the data and the logic and remove the contradictions in a reasoned way.
That’s our job as critical thinking free entities who are trying to avoid the enslavement that always seems loom too close for comfort.
davefairtex post=5636 wrote:
Personally, I’m not in debt, so I don’t have a dog in the hunt, but until big chunks of principal forgiveness (in whatever form) takes place, we’re not getting out of this mess we’re in.Hi Dave, has it ever occurred to you that the “mess we’re in” is precisely the objective of the social engineers?
Does it ever occur to farmer John’s chickens that the cage they are in is precisely the objective of their social engineer?
Regarding the Greeks liking the Euro… populations like bubbles. The Euro has represented as much since its inception.
Populations are not good at long term thinking the likes of, “all bubbles eventually end in approximately inversely proportional busts, therefore, bubbles are bad.”
They want to live the impossible dream… forever… without thinking it through.
Well, the social engineers know this and use it as an attack medium to destroy societies so they can consolidate the wealth under their front corporations and seize control of the country.
But don’t worry, this is all “random.” After all, there is no conspiracy in spite of the entirety of previous human history is all about conspiracy to control populations.
How do we know? The Money Power owned and financed media tells us so and proles can’t think out of their media engineered box.
Professorlocknload post=5645 wrote: @Dave, maybe where you live loans are recourse, which might result in a double whammy. But I would imagine that fact would have been in the mortgage document, so caveat emptor on that. Here in Cally, these notes are, for the most part non recourse, meaning one can simply walk, free as a bird, whereby, if the bank will ever permit it, the balance gets marked to market and it’s over. Hmm, lesson for the banks.
FYI – Refi loans are recourse in CA. Only the original loan is non-recourse.
Lesson for the banks? Not the mega banks! They are offloading their MBSes to the Federal Reserve to the tune of $40,000 million a month – and you can bet your bottom dollar that zero value 2nd mortgage MBSes and non recourse loans are the first to be transferred to the wholly ignorant and apathetic public that is a willing victim in this crime spree.
Apparently, all Hitler needed was a corporate front scheme and nice suit and tie in order to seize world control from an apathetic populace.
A little birdie is out saying these MBSes will be leveraged to buy up interest rate swaps from mega banks for top dollar – you know, maybe about $400 billion a month or so.
There is more than one version of Trojan Horse. This is Sun Tzu, Art of War to a “T.”
Professorlocknload post=5646 wrote: Poverty?
As the administration has now taken to rule by executive order, and the legislative is wholly owned by the same industries as the administration, with the judicial supporting all, protected by a nasty military, my concern is not poverty.
My chief concern now (I don’t do fear) is tyranny. That’s poverty with a shovel in your hand and a gun to your head, as you dig your own grave.
https://www.artmontana.com/article/steele/hisown.htmlAnd if the great American public doesn’t soon stop demanding of it’s captors, cradle to grave security and protection, tyranny will come visit them, to help out, mind you.
This was, of course, for their own protection.
https://www.slideshare.net/guest67c0092/warsaw-ghetto-art-presentationI concur. This is especially true when one does a little research into who inspired Hitler’s eugenics ideas and who funded and promoted Hitler and even Stalin. And who helped to put Pol Pot and Mao in power…
“One is impressed immediately by the sense of national harmony [of dictator controlled slaves]…. Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution [between 60-80 million lives of men, women and children] it has obviously succeeded… in fostering high morale [productive slaves] and community purpose [slaves that follow orders]. General social and economic progress is no less impressive [the oligarchs had plenty of wealth stripped from the slaves]….The enormous social advances of China [oligarch heaven, plenty of organ donors in political prison camps, slaves that followed orders en masse, while living in poverty] have benefited greatly form the singleness of ideology and purpose…. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in history.”
David Rockefeller, New York Times, 8-10-1973.This is the mindset of the Money Power who have used Debt Money Tyranny to seize a huge amount of western world control.
Hi All,
Word “on the street” is that the Fed plans to leverage up the “face value” of the MBSes and buy up the interest rate swaps from the Money Power’s banking front corporations… That’s about $400,000 million in interest rate swaps the mega banks can offload onto the tax payer every single month.
Keep your ear to the ground to see if you can confirm this. This is big time looting by the criminal cartel if they are taking this “Art of War” program operational.
John Day post=5617 wrote: @TheTrivium4TW
Thanks for the detailed reply.
There are always things to consider when currencies fail, and they can fail in stages.
So the dollar may fail as global reserve currency, yet mortgages still need to be paid in dollars. that would be a point of significant loss of faith in the dollar, but not total loss of utility, just greatly reduced utility, and reduced value.
This would likely entail collapse of the current global financial system, which would entail a global loss of faith in the debts denominated in dollar-exchangable currencies. We see more and more of this in Europe. We also see that there was something like a $1.6 trillion flux of secret money from the Fed to European banking, during the acute phase of the 2008-2009 crisis.
There is so much complexity, and there have been so many times in history when communities found themselves temporarily without any functioning currency, not just a crummy one, but none.
One has to be very careful, as I see you are, in considering future scenarios. So many “preppers” just consider one scenario, and don’t seem to think it all the way through.
As for me, I already bought an off-grid solar set-up with the tax returns this year, including nickel-iron batteries, which last forever with routine maintenance. I’m moving to where it makes sense.
I agree that one must consider the full implications of various likely scenarios and prepare as much as possible, before it becomes impossible.Hi John, if a person only gets one take-away from TAE, I think it is to get control of the necessities of life.
That one action will prepare you for whatever future arrives… except a war mongering , police state, criminal fascist takeover which could well be in the cards for us.
Then again, nothing prepares for that very well.
For those that love gold, buy all you want after you can control your food water, energy, transportation and get established in a good, self reliant community.
But make no mistake, we need to end Debt Money Tyranny once and for all.
Debt Money Tyranny v. 6.1
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?da=y
The different variants of this have been downloaded over 3,000 times and I’ve probably received 2 comments that ever discussed its contents. Maybe just 1.
I’d love to understand the psychology that acts as an “off” button in the mind when it comes to being face to face with this information in such an easy to understand format. What I really miss is feedback – I’d like to improve it and make it easier to visualize and understand.
Professorlocknload post=5616 wrote: As for money, well, I’ll go with what has worked these past 6000 years.
But it didn’t work to benefit the common the person, just the elite banksters – same as it ever was.
Seriously – that’s the history. There were quite a few bubble and bust cycles under the gold standard. The bubble / bust cycles are used to asset strip the citizenry.
What led Thomas Edison to pen the following?
“Gold and money are separate things, you see. Gold is the trick mechanism by which you can control money.” — Thomas Edison, New York Times, December 6, 1921
“It is absurd to say that our country can issue $30,000,000 in bonds and not $30,000,000 in currency. Both are promises to pay; but one promise fattens the usurer, and the other helps the people. If the currency issued by the Government were no good, then the bonds issued would be no good either. It is a terrible situation when the Government, to increase the national wealth, must go into debt and submit to ruinous interest charges at the hands of men who control the fictitious values of gold.” — Thomas Edison
https://libertyrevival.wordpress.com/documents/quotations/
Why was the Cross of Gold speech delivered to the people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydrq2-j92cU
Bryan’s “Cross of Gold” Speech: Mesmerizing the Masses
https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5354/
Can you point me to where Mises exposes Debt Money Tyranny (v. 6.1) for the criminal fraud that it is?…
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4768883/debtmoneytyranny-6-1-pdf-60k?da=y
The one serious error a lot of Mises followers make is the idea that the people in control are dumb or ignorant academics.
Uh, now. They are Sun Tzu, Art of War tacticians out to destroy us.
“Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance.”
― Sun TzuThe Money Power controls the mega-corporations and government. The idea of empowering either government or mega-corporations is a false dichotomy – you need to end Debt Money Tyranny first.
Where did Mises make this clear? Or did he provide the necessary cover of the Trojan Horse while the Rockefellers were provided with sufficient control of the opposition?
Professorlocknload post=5610 wrote: @Trivium,
“The Money Power LOVES gold backed money because they control the gold and, by extension, the economy! “And there it is! They must be on to something.
Yes, asset stripping people like you and I and those we care about.
BTW, buy all the gold you want – just don’t promote it as the nation’s money supply. “It is not what backs the money, it is WHO controls its quantity!” ~Bill Still
Professorlocknload post=5610 wrote: Central monetary authority, judging by the price, is probably collecting all the AU/Ag it can at this juncture, at what it considers a discount, knowing what it has put into, and plans to put into, the monetary pipeline. Lick ’em or join ’em, but at least live to fight another day.
Don’t focus on the chess piece, focus on the chess player. The central banks are tools – the player is the Money Power that controls them.
Central banks were selling when the time was to buy… to private insiders friendly to the Money Power. Now they buy back from them. Only to sell back to them… all the while ripping off the face of the country that is forced to go into debt to buy high and sell low to the Money Power cartel. That’s the way it looks to me.
Note that when the insiders were buying, NOBODY was talking about it. NOW, however, the insiders are bragging about buying gold… the perfect time to ride the wave and sell before the collapse begins in earnest… with the central bank pieces holding the bag and tax payer money on the hook.
It’s elementary.
Professorlocknload post=5610 wrote:
Rockefeller= Mises? In my view, quite the contrary. I have to ask, when did Rockefeller or any of the rest of “Robber Barronry” ever support free market capitalism, a system yet to be allowed to be tried here? Markets instead are held in tightly regulated protectionist straight jackets by their ilk, using captive government as lever.WHO brought Mises to America and paid his bills. That would be the Rockefeller Foundation.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
~Vladimir LeniniFirst off, JP Morgan loved the way he could manipulate gold to rob society blind… and Mises didn’t seem to get that point (or maybe he did, Machiavelli and all), so Mises essentially shilled for the “opposition” to the current system that isn’t really opposition.
SR 68 The Gold Solution is a Lie – Bill Still
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVlqwJ00LMU&list=UUhZRoC9bMegevAxFmee1oSA&index=1&feature=plcp
WHO was Alan Greenspan’s idol during the bubble? Ayn Rand.
Professorlocknload post=5610 wrote:
Corporatism is what we have here, fascism with a happy face, not capitalism. And Socialism and Fascism always eventually lead to tyranny and human suffering, as they end up cannibalizing themselves after bleeding their “charges” anemic. Then, relying on the few real capitalists in the alternative market to feed them, until such time as they can seize the reins again, yada.Yes, a Money Power fascist, eugenics based plutocracy.
I’m not as negative nor “black and white” on libertarianism as is Max, but I am wholly against keeping the criminal banksters in control of the money supply why simply changing the definition of money.
“It is not what backs the money, it is WHO controls its quantity!” ~Bill Still
John Day post=5605 wrote: @The Trivium4TW
Thanks for the reply.
(I spent a half hour getting this picture into my “avatar” file. It’s not “copyrighted” so I’ll keep it on the desktop. I used to be a neighbor of this statue.)
The hard times I’m envisioning include loss of faith in fiat currency, 98% of which is now electronic, as I understand.Hi John, I agree with you, but I think there is a subtlety that people miss. Losing confidence in a currency is the same as losing confidence in the debt that currency must be used to pay down.
The debtors, and more people owe US Debt Money Tyranny Notes (USDMTNs) than any other kind of debt, can’t afford to lose confidence in the currency unless they lose their home, their car, their business, their farm… you get the idea. The $53 trillion in American debt must be PAID with those dollars.
Now, that doesn’t mean that foreigner creditors won’t stop accepting dollars… they probably will.
I think that’s why Ilargi says to get your permaculture equipment NOW and that you will regret it dearly if you wait until it is too late. That applies to anything you may need – get while the getting is good.
But debtors **need** those dollars or they lose their collateral.
Remember, “losing confidence in the currency” is equivalent to “losing confidence in the debtors’ debt load.” The latter is required context that the “losing confidence in the currency” crowd never address – even when asked directly to do so.
John Day post=5605 wrote: I’ve been considering the virtues of buying a couple thousand dollars worth of nickels, as an example. These could serve as a local currency at some time in a small area. It’s just a thought. The “paper dollars” will be devalued a lot in an upcoming phase, but nickels are already worth more than 5c.
They’ll be going away soon…It might sound crazy, but I think dental floss will be a big winner. In fact, I think that a 1 to 1 trade for a silver ounce is probably a gimme at some point. Then again, you might not want to part with the dental floss. 😉
The devaluation will come, but only when it serves the interests of the Money Power. It doesn’t serve their interests while they own trillions in debt and control trillions in cash via their multi-national and mega-corporation fronts. Nor does it make sense for JP Morgan to offer 3.4%, 30 year fixed loans just ahead of this assumed hyperinflation.
Remember, the government is not sovereign, the money power is sovereign. The people/governments aren’t TBTF, the corporate fronts of the Money Power are.
As for the rest of your post, the ancient Chinese curse applies – we live in interesting times.
One key reason is that society is blinded to the evil of its own government.
Was Hitler only wrong for invading other countries because he didn’t develop a “responsibility to protect” the Germans in those countries first? The psychopaths in control are using al Qaeda, right out in the open, to overthrow sovereign governments who posed no external threat to other nations… that’s an international war crime for those who both can and are willing to think critically.
Then again, most don’t that those who financed Hitler and promoted eugenics are in control of “Western hegemony” right now.
And most don’t want to know it.
John Day post=5597 wrote: @TheTrivium4TW
Thanks for the reply. I’m physician, not an economist, but my reference to gold as the currency to rule a deflation hearkens back to the “long depression” of the latter 1800s, the one that William Jennings Bryant railed against in his “Cross of Gold” speech.
Debts were payable in gold after the death of Lincoln ended the “Greenback” regime. There was a lot of economic activity across the US as Manifest Destiny manifested itself.
Bankers fairly openly colluded to bring in gold out of circulation and hold it at coordinated times and in coordinated areas.
By doing this they made debts absolutely unpayable, and they took possession of a lot of developed/improved property This was how they used physical gold as the tool of acquisition in deflations which they controlled.
We are near the end of the regime of global “trust” which allows electronic fiat money to exist. In 2008 this trust disappeared, and ships were stuck in port, because the letters of lading from banks were not trusted by other banks.
In truly severe (looming) deflationary times, there is no trust, and in times of no trust, physical gold is always accepted.
Those are my thoughts and impressions about why gold is the currency of choice in deflation, and I’m not really armed with the expertise to go beyond what I just wrote. I am thinking of a long, severe, likely “terminal” deflation as resources decline.Hi John,
I’m not arguing that gold won’t have value. It will. The question is whether it will be worth more in dollars when half, or more, of US working age people are out of work and the social programs and retirement plans collapse into nothingness.
People won’t lose confidence in dollars, but they will lose confidence in credit. That means less of about everything – and not by little bit. Get stocked now.
It could be my deficit, but when credit evaporates and all that is left is, maybe half the purchasing power that is spent at least twice as frugally (about 25% of the money flowing), I don’t see how people drop $2k for an ounce of yellow when most are hungry.
Maybe. maybe the oligarch economy keeps it afloat as everyone else starves and is homeless.
TAE has basically said that gold should fall less and should recover quicker… I think your analysis is one of the reasons why they believe this. It makes sense. They just don’t think it will be immune from the disaster that is coming.
If I had any trust in the markets, I think a great, low risk play would be to go long gold and short the broader market. But that assumes you’ll get paid n your short. That’s the rub, I think it is reasonable to conclude you won’t get paid.
Anyway, I don’t think some gold insurance will hurt unless you don’t have control over the necessities of life and don’t have some sort of community approach that is dealing with these issues. I think the latter two items are much more important than gold and should get the focus over gold (and TAE does a good job there). But it does take more work, and that’s a problem.
Professorlocknload post=5595 wrote: Trivium, let me take a shot at why AU performs well in deflations. In short, I believe this is the case because the smart player, always looking forward, one foot in greed and the other in fear, knows the only solution throughout recorded history, taken by cornered nation states, in order to maintain power, has been devaluation.
Two points.
1. Nations aren’t making the call, the Money Power operatives who have infiltrated the nations are making the call – and NOT in the best interest of the nation. In fact, drastically against the best interest of the nation. A sovereign nation, BY DEFINITION, would never borrow its money, let alone at interest, from private entities.
2. I think TAE believes this all likely ends in hyperinflation as well, but they believe, as do I, that this will only occur after they’ve taken control of as much of society’s stuff as possible. An impoverished society will not be selling gold for the current price near the top of a credit bubble, IMHO. It just doesn’t make sense. The S&P at 100-300 and gold at $2000? I don’t think so. Again, JP Morgan is about as inside as any corporation on the planet – and they are doling out 30 year, 3.5% loans to all comers. Whatever that is, it isn’t fear of hyperinflation – and the majority owners of JP Morgan will make the call, not the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right. Or Bernanke – he’s a front man, pure and simple. His job is to make sure you never identify the real decision makers.
Professorlocknload post=5595 wrote: Contrarily, in the fact (inflation), AU is sold into the blowoff, as interest rates commence their rise toward compensation. ie; 70’s stagflation, from $110 street price in 1970, as the threat of deflation was a-buzz, to $800 at the rumblings of a Volcker attack, early 80’s.
The 70s are tough because gold was not market priced for so long. It bubbled up and then popped. It did very poorly in the inflationary times that commenced. Having said that, I think an argument can be made that the insiders use the central banks to enrich themselves personally, hence, the central banks sold to the insiders at rock bottom prices ON PURPOSE. Now the central banks are buying back AT MUCH HIGHER PRICES.
Wash, rinse, repeat until the people catch on… maybe never.
Professorlocknload post=5595 wrote: Time for one more. Wiemar, from the early stages of (artificial) nirvana being at last achieved, to the blowoff, where it was said if one had purchased the entire financial district of Berlin on credit a few years earlier, he could have bought the note back for one ounce of gold.
Apples and oranges. As is Argentina. The Money Power is running the show – and blatantly so. Everything is being orchestrated in their interests, not the government’s interest or the people’s interests.
Weimar was a government that printed non central banker debt money. We don’t have that kind of money here – our money is debt money and controlled by the Money Power.
Germany’s hyperinflation was actually a deflation from the Central Banker perspective. They could buy more of Germany with their wealth (dollars, gold, whatever).
Argentina was also a deflation from the perspective of the Money Power. They could use their dollars (and assets like gold, oil, whatever) to buy up a whole lot more of Argentina after their hyper-inflationary, societal impoverishment collapse than before.
Professorlocknload post=5595 wrote: As, I think, Celente said, paraphrased “When people lose everything, they lose it.” So, when the ruling elite are threatened with loss of everything, they also lose it.[quote=Professorlocknload post=5595]
“Lose it” by wiping out their wealth and bailing those they criminally indebted and are arming up their government to keep in line?
In general, I like Celente a lot. But I think he’s been a misled by Rockefeller funded Mises based economic theory – the so called controlled opposition.
The Money Power LOVES gold backed money because they control the gold and, by extension, the economy! You don’t want that. I know I don’t.
[quote=Professorlocknload post=5595]So, public gone wild, government gone wild, Wall Street gone wild…Who ya gonna call?
Banker widgets are debt. The game was to sell banker widgets at all costs.
The current game is to loot the debt receipts and offload the debt onto society.
Eventually, the game will change again to bust society and roll up their assets under their mega front corporations.
Then, when you have little or nothing and they own reality, they will likely hyper-inflate to balance their books, IMHO.
But it won’t matter – we won’t have anything left to hyperinflate.
That’s the point.
jal post=5591 wrote: By now, I assume that everyone has heard the debate …
Change is coming …
Change are being proposed …Capitalism vs socialism as alternative futures.
Opposition to any change is universal since we are all in one or the other side of those two options (benefiting).
Those with the most to lose from a change will put up the strongest opposition.
Those with the most to gain from a change will put up the strongest support.
Finding a third option would require that everyone takes a loss and will cause the most opposition.
All possible change will cause pain.
Will you voluntarily submit to those pains?
jal, I haven’t seen the debates. Why would I? It is like two JP Morgan vice presidents campaigning for the Presidency.
Talk is cheap – we can’t pull a Charlie Brown and “kick at the ball” forever, can we?
Romney and Obama work for the exact same Money Power cabal.
The Money Power agenda will continues, just as many predicted Obama was lying through his teeth about “change.”
WHO finances Romney? WHO finances Obama? Oh, the same “club.” WHO finances the media that promotes both Romney and Obama? Oh, the same club.
jal post=5587 wrote:
“What if the Global Financial Crisis is Permanent?”
Of course it is permanent. Debt Money Tyranny is a system engineered to systematically asset strip society and empower the criminal Debt Money Tyrants over time.
This is version 6 of the Debt Money Tyranny money flow chart which includes the flow of mega corporation profits.
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4761671/debtmoneytyranny-6-pdf-59k
This is the foundation of the financial tyranny that TAE describes so well (without every pinpointing the tyrants – somehow that’s not Kosher).
The only “solution” to this criminal system, where money *is* debt, is for the wealthy to hand over all their debt receipts to those in debt so it becomes possible to pay off their debts (it is impossible right now – physically impossible).
What do we see? The wealthiest people on the planet sucking the debtors dry and offloading their debt onto the debtors so they have even more unpayable debt!
For those with eyes to see… this is Sun Tzu Art of War warfare.
It is engineered to bankrupt the host society. The system is working EXACTLY AS DESIGNED!
The controllers get more wealth and power and everyone else is impoverished and becoming more powerless.
Weapons of mass destruction are engineered to destroy.
Weapons of mass debt are engineered to to destroy using debt.
Debt is no less a weapon than an atom bomb.
“A man who murders another shortens by a few brief years the life of a human being; but he who votes to increase the burden of debts upon the people of the United States assumes a graver responsibility.”
~William Jennings Bryan, 1893John Day post=5586 wrote: @The Trivium4TW
You suggest that deflationary looting comes next(ish).
Yes, but WHO is holding the gold, which is the money of choice in real serious deflation?
I can’t tell who has the gold, except China, Russia and Saudi have some. German gold is supposedly in New York by Max Keiser’s lead a few years ago, which means it’s “Schroedinger’s gold” and resides with his pet cat.Hi John, why do you think that gold is the currency of choice in a deflation? Please be specific – because that’s not my view and, if I’m wrong, I’d really like to update my point of view. My only goal is to better match my perception to truth. I get the folly of forcing my perception onto reality – I see the damage it does every single day. That’s not to say I’m perfect in this regard – I’m not. But the will is there.
The gold market is small – even at today’s prices. I’m talking trillions in cash and trillions in debt instruments, all empowered by the government gun wielded by the Money Power through their financed and promoted operatives in government.
The trillions in cash and the trillions in debt instruments are lined up to transfer a mind blowing amount of real, tangible wealth (houses, farms, industry, roads, water companies, electric companies, national parks, etc…) to these criminals.
Gold can’t do that – even if one person owned it all.
Let em share my thought process with you. Would you pay $30 / oz for some silver or would you pay less than $1 for some dental floss in order to maximize return on in a depression?
Well, if the deflationary scenario works out and people are credit and cash strapped, many won’t be able to afford or even access dental floss. I bet people will give up one of those pretty silver dollar for a dental floss after they haven’t flossed for 6 months. I would.
In TAE’s view, and I think they are pretty close to right in many respects (not all, Ilargi teases about a cabal controlling some this action, but they are ultimately the ROOT CAUSE and must be addressed head on if the people aren’t to perish for lack of knowledge), the future is about survival, not about what “investment” will outperform.
Gold does serve one very important role, though. It is portable wealth outside a system that is poised to zero out many people under the ILLUSION that they have wealth when it doesn’t exist.
If you only two choices are gold or bank account, take the gold.
But those aren’t your two choice.
Cash on hand should perform well. In addition, I’m going with TAE’s Treasury Direct advice and using the government as my “mattress” for most of my cash holdings.
I have some reservations, though, but nothing is safe when rank criminals go anarchy on society with the kind of technology they control today.
You have gold, they can confiscate it or send you to prison. You have a gain on gold, they can tax it 90% and blame you for the collapse they engineered. You have money at the Treasury, they can steal it and force it into 30 year bonds. You have cash, the FBI can raid your home, steal your cash on a baseless claim of drug trafficking – no evidence required.
Oh, and the real drug traffickers are the banksters in collusions with their captured “government.” Afghanistan is #1 in heroin and marijuana production on the planet… 7,700 tons of heroin flows from Afghanistan to Europe every year… and the US military provides the fertilizer… All true – search those terms… ask if you can’t find the links.
Something wicked this way isn’t coming… it is already here. It has a sheep suit on, but if you care to look at the teeth, they are blood dripping fangs.
The Traitor is the Plague
Hi All,
>>But unlike companies, you can’t bleed dry, bankrupt and wholly obliterate entire nations that are part of the UN, NATO, the EU, the eurozone. For more reasons than I care to get into detail about.y over… unless people expose the Money Power who enforce Debt Money Tyranny to systematically asset strip society and then use the “free market” veneer of Debt Money Tyranny to seize control of the media, the political financing and the governments themselves.
That’s already been done. “I”s dotted, “T”s crossed.
Can’t you see it?
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4715145/debtmoneytyranny-5-pdf-57k?tr=77
My next update will be how the money society spends at mega corporations is subtracted out of society’s assets and end up as an asset for the Money Power… further enriching the Money Power class and driving society into a bled dry, bankrupt state.
The game is already over in all facets except the **recognition** phase which is, albeit, the nastiest phase of all by far.
In my view, the Money Power, the same Money Power class that Andrew Jackson called a Den of Vipers and rooted out and that Lincoln said was more threatening to America than the Confederacy, owns most of the currency wealth (trillions) and the debt wealth (trillions more).
Anyone who thinks the Money Power is going to inflate away their trillions upon trillions in paper and debt wealth doesn’t understand why JP Morgan is shelling out 3.5% loans either… they simply don’t understand basic, basic, basic Econ 101 from the standpoint of a Money Power oligarch.
So why are they telling their government operatives to allow them to steal trillions in cash (100 cents on the dollar for completely worthless 2nd mortgage MBSes) and offloading trillions in bad debt onto the tax payer?
Would I take $10 million in cash for a 10 percent temporary devaluation?
I would.
Would I take $500 in cash for a 75% devaluation?
No way.
Why the difference? The economics are very, very, very different.
They are looting cash now simply because it makes sense to loot cash now. When the looting threatens the value of their looted hoards, that is when they pull the plug and then use their looted hoards to buy up the nation states for pennies on the looted dollar.
If they don’t do this then they get their “Dr. Evil card” revoked because they are bumbling idiot criminals.
IMHO, the economic numbers looked bad and the Money Power told their puppet Bernanke (Bernanke works for the Fed, which is controlled by the BOD, which consist of mega bank insiders and sycophants, which are controlled by the BOD of the mega banks, which is LEGALLY COMPELLED to operate on behalf of the OWNERS of the mega-banks… the majority OWNERS of which are the Money Power, by definition – this isn’t theory, this is corporate law, people!) to transfer as much cash to their front corporations while offloading their worst MBS packages for 100 cents on the dollar until such time as they pull the plug. IMHO, the open ended nature was significant.
The debt is in place to DESTROY your community AND the governments so that a more direct Money Power government front can take more direct control of our lives.
Of course tyrants want to rule… that’s the message of human history and the naive people on this planet better wake up in a hurry or its gonna get incredibly ugly faster than most people can comprehend.
…And the Money Power “solution” just might be the “final solution,” if you know what I mean.
This isn’t random stuff, this is an Art of War asymmetrical battle plan to hand the world over to a Money Power front world government.
autoearthadmin post=5512 wrote: but hardly his mandate to begin with
Now we are getting somewhere.
The entire media, and by “entire” I mean ENTIRE, falsely portrays the Federal Reserve mandate as a dual mandate to keep stable prices and unemployment low.
This has been true for decades.
All the while the Fed broke its true, singular mandate and, as a direct result, criminally helped to create the worlds largest credit bubble in human history… all with complete cover of the media.
Education is silent on this issue.
Politicians are silent on this issue.
Religions are silent on this issue.
What kind of systemic POWER does all this imply?
BTW, I can’t think of anyone who root causes the problem better than Bill Still.
Bill Still – Hour 1 – The Money Masters & The Secret of Oz
https://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/08/RIR-120823.php
Ilargi, IMHO, your commentary and insight into how this fraudulent, Debt Money Tyranny operates is excellent, but Bill’s pounding the table on the root cause… private control of the money supply, money defined as debt and fractional reserve debt money counterfeiting… points the way towards a more clear understanding of a workable solution.
Societies need debt free, sovereign money where the quantity of money is controlled for the benefit of society. By definition, this will require a mass educated populace.
Viscount St. Albans post=5515 wrote: The gradually disappearing pension = Greenpeace cubed
Angela Merkel will go down in history as one of the great environmentalists.
There’s too much demand. How would you propose we reduce it, if not through the elimination of future consumption via bank handouts?
A single Barclay’s executive and his golden parachute can do only a finite amount of environmental damage (he can only eat so much steak and fly only so many miles). But 1000 pensioners with imagined wealth….now that’s a lot of steak and a lot of trips to Tahiti. Too much, in fact.
One way or another, we all need to put up with less. The Euro straightjacket is necessary.
Hi Viscount, what you say is true, but the point you miss is that this system isn’t the way to go. The rules laid down for the common folk are not applied for the oligarch folk. They want to limit our showers while they possess private trains and multiple yachts that burn more= fuel in a day than a typical American in a year. And let’s not talka bout heating their 5 castles.
Tyranny is on the run – and if it isn’t quelled… demand will almost assuredly be cut off more than you can ever imagine… but it won’t be done nicely and it won’t be done to the oligarchs.
