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So if this whole Euro thing is bad for the people on the ground, WHO is pushing for it that has the POWER to force their will onto the people?
How is this group of people related to the debt based monetary system?
How is this group of people related to selecting (financing and promoting in the media) the political class that the population eventually gets to vote on?
Let’s stop analyzing the speed of the ship and its chari configuration and get to the captain of the ship.
Now that would be newsworthy.
The human mind repels the unknowns, therefore, we often latch on to false “knowns.”
We really don’t know the details of the future.
As for Ilargi’s $1 million comment, I don’t think he meant it to be taken as literally to the dollar or out of context of everything else he has been saying.
Even so, people with $10 million may find themselves wrecked by what is coming if they are tied to the societal false narratives.
This kind of deflationary bust isn’t about slowly lowering prices. It is, as I view it, all about…
1. Massive unemployment for the long term.
2. Massive debt defaults / Money Power corporate front asset stripping.
3. Bank failures and depositor wipe out.
4. SS failing and busting the elderly.
5. Pensions collapsing and wiping out the public union class.
6. Investment values collapsing.
7. Markets collapsing (many things you won’t get at ANY price!).
8. Massive social upheaval and lots of violence.
9. Money Power financed police state crack downs on liberty the world over. The police state and the 1.6 billion in bullets is being purchased by the Money Power (Fed issuing debt to purchase) in order to ensure they get to keep their criminally gotten “goodies” once the average “consumer” is busted and realizes it is time to become a “citizen.”Nasty times lay ahead.
Real nasty.
#1 Get control of the necessities of life.
#2 Read number #1
#3 Read Number #2If you must, gamble with the leftovers – because everything is a gamble when a criminal MOney Power oligopoly is running anarchist over a passive, brain washed population mass that, frankly, loves their servitude so long as they get bread and circus with it.
When the bread and circus ends, though… that’s when the police state and 1.6 billion, with 100s of millions of hollow points comes into play.
And those that think the media isn’t fake… why are they straw manning and reporting on only 174,000 of the 1.6 billion?
DHS Purchases 200 Million More Rounds of Ammunition
https://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-200-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/
Establishment Launches Straw Man Over Government Bullet Purchases
https://www.infowars.com/establishment-launches-straw-man-over-government-bullet-purchases/
BTW, the only reason the government can afford these munitions is because they knelt before the controllers of the Federal Reserve System and were allowed to buy the munition on credit.
IOW, the Federal Reserve controllers believe these bullets will serve their interests and are worthy of financing.
Make a Debt Money Tyrant mad – *think* about that.
Long. And hard.
PS – hollow points are illegal internationally and are too expensive for training. Shredding the organs of domestic entities is all that’s left as a purpose for such ammunition.
PSS – The Money Power has no influence… anyone can take a 1.4 billion ammunition purchase and have the entire MSM reporting about “kook” “conspiracy theorists” that think 174k rounds is “suspicious.”
No influence my rear end! Propaganda so thick it would make Goebbels blush!
Being that this is the new thread… I’ll deliver what I promise – proof that QEing for jobs is a big, fat narrative hoax.
First a couple facts.
1. The government has a law that says 23% of federal contracts should go to small businesses. They missed their goal. Again. Most often multi-nationals and often in no bid contracts.
2. 90%+ of new American jobs are created by small business.
So, if they *really* wanted to create jobs in America, instead of deceive you, they’d give more contracts to small business. That’s easy and completely under their control.
That’s not all – they’d end the tax breaks for multi-national offshoring as well.
So, why don’t they do these things? It costs the Money Power money and power.
Why do QE and lie about it being for jobs and growth? Because it enriches the Money Power via their corporate fronts and increases their power.
It’s like a coin is labelled “enrich private banking oligarchy” on one side and “hurt banking oligarchy on the other.”
How many times in a row does does “enrich private banking oligarchy” have to come up before folks figure out what should be obvious by now?
I’m not a big fan of the mainstream use of Occam’s Razor. For example, someone told me that the Fed is covering up incompetence by lying about its mandate and fabricating a dual mandate because that is a simpler explanation than the Fed being criminal in nature.
Who is the arbiter of the idea that incompetence is a “simpler explanation” than is criminality? Surely nobody that has read up on history and actually understands it.
Again, we get back to what “words” mean and how we can manipulate those words into meaning what makes us comfortable and not what they actually mean.
The scariest part about the Fed lying about its mandate isn’t that they lie about their mandate.
The scariest part is that the ENTIRE ESTABLISHMENT covers for that lie WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
Search “Federal Reserve Mandate Section 2A” and try and reconcile it with the first chart at this link…
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=207083
BTW, that bubble you see there is the root cause of the coming depression – an idea so simple that even a cave man could get it.
Who criminally drove the bubble and lied about it?
Who is the root cause of the coming depression?
Ilargi has a good point that it isn’t the Federal Reserve doing this all by themselves.
But it is the Money Power and the totality of their resources under control that appealed to the greed and narcissism of society in order to plan and achieve this grand agenda of theirs.
They study history. They know our weaknesses better than we know ourselves. They exploit those weaknesses to increase their power and control and the reduce everyone else’s.
In that context, the Money Power is batting over 99%… the 1% being a Greece or a Hungary. But they’ll line up later or they’ll become “terrorists” like nation’s that don’t allow Debt Money Tyranny.
The simplest explanation to batting 99% is that their intent is to be at bat gaining more power and wealth and impoverishing everyone else.
Carbon waste life form post=5375 wrote: Hi Trivium
I agree with Dave, I think the TPTB have been pushing the ponzi envelope as far as they can, and of course, it becomes increasingly less stable and more difficult for them to control. Yes they can influence it, but cannot predict the outcome as well.
Couple more things:
1. I think TPTB is a useful concept, but in practice the, what we can see as a unified PTB is probably just the emergent behaviour of a lot of sociopathic types at the top working within the growth paradigm.
2. As much as they, as a group, have an emergent agenda, I think they have largely lost control of the vehicle of the economy and are probably searching for ways to post-justify it. i.e. they did it “on purpose”.I think the problem now is that there is no “steady state” paradigm to take over now that we are running on fumes as far as resources goes. If humankind were to save ourselves, “no growth” is the kind of austerity we need. Not the type of austerity that funnels our remaining wealth to those who need it least.
Now whenever I say that the main problem is our growth paradigm, all emerges from that, I get glazed looks from my friends
I agree with you and Dave as well. I disagree with the idea, though, that this is all they know or want. They want a deflationary collapse after they’ve maximized their looting of the treasury and the amount of debt they offload on society. You can rest assured that $40,000 million a month to banksters in return for their worthless 2nd mortgage MBSes is part of the looting operation… so it is still under way.
1. I don’t understand the mechanics of how the Money Power interoperates – and probably never will. It is enough to know they exist and they operate, on one level or another, to control major societal institution. It doesn’t even matter who these people are, other than when it is time to throw these criminals in jail. Reverse engineering some of their modus operandi reveals them to be masters of psychology, sociology and economics, though. They use economics to control the lower levels – people do what they get paid to do and this crowd controls the most money to use as payroll.
2. IMHO, there’s no way they don’t know they didn’t break Section 2A by promoting the biggest bubble in human history – after all, they lie about their mandate to cover it up! How do they know to lie if they don’t know they broke the law?
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?da=y
Lindbergh knew the deal over 100 years ago…
“The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. From now on depressions will be scientifically created.”
~Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, after the passage of the Federal Reserve act 1913.https://www.ourrepubliconline.com/OurRepublic/Author/112
People have trouble figuring this out because they believe the sponsored narrative – Bernanke is trying to help the economy…
No, Bernanke despises you and the rest of us. He hates us and thinks we are trash. He serves the Money Power and his job is to transfer our wealth to his over lords without us waking up to their program.
Debt Money Tyranny is known to this Money Power class and it is knowledge withheld from the common person victimized by it.
Debt Money Tyranny
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4638354/debtmoneytyranny-4-pdf-110k?da=y
The whole thing was a fraud from the get go.
Guys like Ben Franklin, Thomas Edison, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, james Garfield, Abraham Lincoln, Cahrles Lindbergh, Sr., Henry Ford, Louis T. McFadden all knew these banksters were criminal con artists.
They aren’t idiots. They are cold blooded murderous, criminal tyrants.
Poverty murders about 20 million a year – a number that would make Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot and Stalin envious.
WHO drives the fraudulent monetary system that is the basis for poverty?
WHO finances the governments to loot their citizens and rip their financial faces off – if not their very face?
WHO?
The Money Power.
Synchro post=5385 wrote: Illargi said
“A really deep recession, the one we say is coming means that most people who hold gold will be forced to sell it, to pay off debt, buy essentials etc. It means you would need to be rich, $1 million bare minimum, to sit on your gold for 10-15-20 years without having to touch it. After that, gold will hold its long time value again. But not in the meantime.”
So, I’m not sure what you mean by not in the meantime.
I believe you have been saying that it is preferable to hold cash, rather than gold, for some time now. I’m thinking that that is not a good decision based on history.
Nicole said this, in her Lifeboat article, posted Nov. 30, 2008.
2) Holding cash and cash equivalents (i.e. short term treasuries) is vital as purchasing power will be in short supply. Cash is king in a deflation.
And in the same post, she also said the following:
Metals will hold their value over the long term as they have for thousands of years, but you may have to sit on them for a very long time, so don’t by them with money you might need access to over the next few years.
So, I’m not sure what you mean by a very long time. On December 1, 2008 (the closest trading date to Nov. 30, 2008), gold closed at $778./oz.
Gold closed today (9/19/2012) at $1774./oz.On the other hand, according to the US government CPI-U index, from 2008 to now, inflation has reduced the purchasing power of the US dollar by 8%. (And that is using US Government statistics for inflation, which are notoriously skewed low compared to the real world.)
So, if I had $1000. on December 1, 2008, and simply kept it in cash, it would have $920. in purchasing power today.
However, if I had taken that $1000., and purchased gold instead, I would have $2280. in purchasing power today. Based on the fact that most people would rather have $2280. than $920., Illargi, would you be willing to reconsider your advice from nearly 4 years ago?
Synchro, I don’t think you understand the TAE message and this leads to your question.
TAE isn’t about making short term trades.
It is about preparing for what we should expect to be the Greatest Depression ever. While the rattling of that event in America is has begun, it hasn’t fully manifested itself for much of the country.
TAE says it will and you want to be ready.
1. Gain control over the necessities of life (including building positive community).
2. Read #1 again.
3. Read #2 again.If you have extra, and few people will, then metals can be used to bridge the collapse. That is, if the Money Power fascists don’t use their government puppet to seize it. Again. Deja vu all over again.
I read an article where a Greece man stated (paraphrased) – “what good is having a home and a bunch of stuff when you can’t eat?”
I think the article was on TAE, but I can’t recall for sure.
My main point is that very powerful criminals are in charge – a topic that is not popular to discuss in some circles. That’s fine, until it isn’t.
You see, those short term treasuries or that rolled over cash could be stolen by these Money Power fascists as well. Using their “government” powers, of course.
At some point, the fascists have to be exposed publicly and en masse – something that far too many people avoid doing at almost all costs.
So the TAE winners (those that follow their advise and make it through) will get their version of fascism – and I believe you ain’t seen nothing yet of the evil that be unleashed on a population.
jal post=5378 wrote: My parents were motivated to seek a better life for themselves and for their children.
WE ARE ALL motivated to seek a better life. Those that succeed are the cause of exponential growth.
Nobody wants austerity for themselves.
jal, yes, societal greed does play a role.
But the main driver of growth is our monetary system.
Let me create a storyline that will explain the dynamics:
1. Debt Money Tyrant Bankster
2. Society.Let’s assume Society needs $20 to run their economy. The Bankster lends $20 to society and charges 5% interest. At the 1 year mark, $21 is owed from Society to the Bankster.
Society was only given $20 and Bankster didn’t give them any more.
Society is now bankrupt and hands over collateral to the Bankster – toll roads, public water companies, public power companies, parks, etc…
That’s quick and dirty and… pretty obvious.
Bankster doesn’t want to steal $20 worth of stuff, so they lend another $20 out to Society. It has the same problem, but the first $20 can now be paid off and the day of reckoning is pushed back a year.
Wash, rinse, repeat until Society hits debt saturation and exponential Societal debt growth peaks and saturates society with debt and its carrying costs.
That’s why they can’t keep prices stable (an expected result of following their true mandate) and have to inflate.
A steady state system would lead to a bankrupt society in short order… so if you don’t get on that treadmill and grow, you don’t just do without, your family goes into poverty and dies of hunger.
I’ve flow charted the dynamics here:
Debt Money Tyranny (Download PDF)
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4638354/debtmoneytyranny-4-pdf-110k?da=y
KeepAndShare is a PDF hosting website.
BTW, it is possible for Society to pay their debt back – they have to earn that $1 in interest from Bankster by working for him or selling their stuff to him (Art of War level neo-slavery with Bankster as covert, but very real “Master”).
Review that chart again… as bad as interest is, bailouts are even worse. Society gets the 100% of the debt while Bankster gets $100s of the proceeds of the debt.
Showing up at your home on January 1st, pointing a gun at you, marching you to your ATM machine, forcing you to extract $15k from your account, taking the money and leaving you to pay back the debt is too obvious – even for a “consumer.”
So they use the Fed as an intermediary. The Fed takes on trillions in worthless trash and everyone assumes it doesn’t affect them.
Think of a bomb in the form of a birthday cake with a lit fuse that looks like a candle… Sun Tzu “war is deception” and “the best warriors never have to fight” to a “T.”
But it will.
And it will be wicked, wicked, wicked when it does.
Hi Dave,
davefairtex post=5369 wrote: Trivium –
I respect entirely what you say – about their power and control over the levers of government and finance. Whether these levers can actually work the way they used to at this point in time, that’s my question.
The first thing we have to gauge is what they expect to happen. The well financed and sponsored narrative is that they only know inflation and think that they can inflate forever.
That doesn’t pass the smell test anymore than the lie there were “quants” with “models” that showed housing going up forever against flat incomes – remember that lie? Or how about the first “fat finger” in Wall Street history that occurred at the same time Congress was voting to cap the size of the Money Power’s mega bank “chess pieces?”
The problem with this view is any 5th grader who paid attention to exponential growth knows this can’t happen any more than one can throw a ball up in the air and it can evade the laws of gravity.
I’m not saying these people can defy natural law, what I’m saying is they know how to manipulate natural law and use it to screw the rest of us while lying and laughing the whole time.
The con is simple.
1. Control the definition of money and credit so that money flows to your interests while you sleep. Debt Money Tyranny is engineered to do exactly this:
Debt Money Tyranny (PDF)
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/4638354/debtmoneytyranny-4-pdf-110k?da=y2. Debt based monetary systems must grow or else the victims will go bust en masse. They don’t make it too obvious, so they direct growth and eventually blow bubbles to buy up assets for pennies in the follow on collapse. Of course, they lever up to the hilt in advance of the bubble to rake in the cash used to buy up society for pennies – privatizing public roads, water supplies, energy, parks, military, etc…
3. Seize control of government in order to make their front multi-nationals mega corporation TBTF&J. When everything collapses, they can’t fail… and can lie about their balance sheet and buy up all the other insolvent companies for pennies.
4. Before the collapse becomes obvious to all, they would want to loot trillions in cash from society and dump trillions in cash onto society.
Can we say “Quantitatively Easing” the losses and bad assets of the oligarch class at the expense of everyone else?
No, they will never tell you what they are doing. They are con men and women. While naivety is cute, it leads to trouble at national levels… like democide in far too many cases.
I know, this time is different. Isn’t it always? How’s that working out?
What are they doing?
Exactly that.
But they can’t tell you that! They need a narrative, no matter how absurd.
The jobs narrative is completely absurd and fake – they are actually de-industrializing America at breakneck speed while lying to the ignorant populace.
I’ll address that bad con job in my next posting (this is getting long).
ilargi post=5332 wrote: But yes, in a bigger sense: no, in the end central bankers have no control over economies.
Hi Ilargi, please resist any visceral response this post may generate and simply consider the ideas and logic presented. If I’ve presented it in a sub par way, the ideas and logic should not be diminished. IMHO, this is a very important concept that is a requirement for identifying the real villain class in this tragedy. On to the post…
While your stated belief is technically correct when viewed in a vacuum, the real world doesn’t operate in a vacuum.
Using an analogy, It’s like a chess player focusing solely on an out of position rook near his king and remaining unconcerned because the rook doesn’t have much power by itself.
Except the Queen and the other rook are positioned for the check mate.
Only combining all the pieces, in context, reveals the true power of the “chess master” class – the power the Art of War trained “chess master” class has set out to conceal.
“Know your enemy.”
~Sun TzuIn the same way, central banks don’t operate in a vacuum. There are people that ultimately control them. These people have interests.
These people have control over other assets, like, say, mega banks and multinational corporations… even governments to a large degree.
The central banks are an important piece in their game of “chess,” but to think that the central / mega TBTF bank controllers don’t have other assets in play, all furthering their agenda, is to miss an key element of reality that unlocks much understanding, IMHO.
In that context, the context in which we actually live, the controlling Money Power has TREMENDOUS power over national economies.
“Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce.”
~James A. GarfieldThese people exert more control over the volume of money than any other group. And legislation. And regulation and oversight.
They can break Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act and blow criminal bubbles and hide it from the common person.
Since depressions are caused by the preceding bubble – they can create depressions as well. They can pass legislation with no penalties and tell the foolish public they’ve passed a “law” (got FinReg?)
They can create debt based, fraudulent monetary systems that are engineered to bankrupt society – and keep it out of the news or education system.
In every western nation.
Debt Money Tyranny v4 (Simplified with contextual quotes and resources on a second page)
They can control the very education systems of society.
They can take the law of the land, for example, the Constitution, and shred it in broad daylight while pretending to uphold it.
They can pervert unalienable rights into state sanctioned privileges.
They can claim the right to murder you – no trial, no evidence, no nothing.
And they do. And they control our economy to a large degree. And they control our government.
And they are lawless criminals who hate freedom and the little person doing well.
I get this isn’t a comforting thought process, but the evidence supports it.
Also keep in mind that military and the police state is financed by the Federal Reserve – and they aren’t doing it because they think it will be turned against them. They are doing it because they are very sure that the interests that control the Federal Reserve also control the United States military and the expanding American police state.
The Money Power has an IMMENSE AMOUNT of control – and central bank policy is just one of many pieces they manage on the “grand chessboard.”
“This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth.…When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized.…The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill.…” (Congressman
~Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.)“We have, in this country, one of the most corrupt institutions the world has ever known. I refer to the Federal Reserve Board. This evil institution has impoverished the people of the United States and has practically bankrupted our government. It has done this through the corrupt practices of the moneyed vultures who control it.”
~Congressman Louis T. McFadden in 1932 (Rep. Pa)“As soon as Mr. Roosevelt took office, the Federal Reserve began to buy government securities at the rate of ten million dollars a week for 10 weeks, and created one hundred million dollars in new [checkbook] currency, which alleviated the critical famine of money and credit, and the factories started hiring people again.”
~Eustace Mullins“A great industrial nation is controlled by it’s system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the world– no longer a government of free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small groups of dominant men.”
~President Woodrow Wilson“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
~Henry FordRegarding GMO,
Jeffrey M. Smith’s hot off the press documentary, “Genetic Roulette,” is available to view for free over the next week or so.
https://geneticroulettemovie.com/
The same criminals who have rigged the monetary system to blow up in your face have also rigged the food supply.
Not to mention the water supply:
WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS OPPOSES FLUORIDATION
https://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
Impact of Fluoride on Neurological Development in Children
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/features/features/fluoride-childrens-health-grandjean-choi.html
“Fluoride seems to fit in with lead, mercury, and other poisons that cause chemical brain drain,” Grandjean says
Think dementia on the instalment plan – and that is if you lucky.
Note that no real science has showed any benefits to putting this toxic wate fluorosilicic acid, and a myriad of related toxins, into our drinking water. No randomized, double blind placebo study has ever been published… Ever.
That’s how you hide the truth and cover for lies.
Fluoride Deception
ProfessorLnL,
First of all, I don’t trust official narratives. When I analyze them in depth, not only are they wrong, but they are 180 degrees wrong.
So let’s set the narrative aside and go by our own observation.
Sorry, but words are important here. “Print” is a very bad word to describe what is happening. Rather, they are issuing credit, the proceeds of which go to the insider banking institutions and, in return, society gets worthless and/or toxic trash MBSes.
That’s not printing, that’s theft – in broad daylight. The inside banksters get the money, society eats their losses. Now you know why they held all those homes off the market in-spite of being empty. Now that the Fed owns them – and tax payers are on the hook for Fed losses – we’ll see what happens.
Make no mistake, though, they know the economy can’t be fixed and they aren’t trying. They are loading up on cash and offloading their debt. Inflating prices is due to all this free money being showered on the gambling class. Whatever is going up is pretty much the speculative assets these people wager on.
So, let’s call it what it is – government sanctioned looting of society to benefit Big Finance Capital that *controls* the mega banks and the Federal Reserve System (ownership is a red herring – *control* is everything that matters).
Now, if you were going to hyperinflate, would your front mega banks be loaning 30 year money at 3.5%? Would you hyperinflate while you owned trillions in cash and debt assets?
Only a moron would do that – and I’m convinced the people looting us are not morons. They know what they are doing.
They won’t hyperinflate until after they’ve busted everyone else – most likely in a deflationary depression. That’s when they take the trillions they’ve looted, along with all their debt paper and cash it in for our hard assets that we’ve spent generations building in a debt money fraudulent system.
When they own reality, all bets are off. Then hyperinflation will balance their books, IMHO.
The narrative is a sucker punch. Even the “opposition” narrative.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
~Vladimir Lenin (a popper compared to the people running Huxley’s Ultimate Revolution)Hi Ash,
Congratulations on adding a new dimension to your “walk” on this spinning orb flying through space. 🙂
I’ll be sure to stop by as all things God fascinate me. I do get why people are turned off to “religion,” though. They confuse the bad human examples with the real thing that says humans will always be bad examples. 😉
One note, though. What happened to the online version of A Century of Challenges? The original site is down and I can’t access it.
Can you give a status as to when/where it will be back up?
ilargi post=5138 wrote: Concise language is very important.
It’s high time you yourself took that to heart, Trivium.
Hi Ilargi, can you please point out some examples so I can be aware of situations that demand I be more concise?
For example, RE pointed out my use of the term Debt Dollar Tyranny was too narrow. He suggested “Debt Money Tyranny” was more true and accurate. I agreed, thanked RE and I use the better term now.
No big deal, no personal attacks, no nothing but sharing knowledge for the betterment of communicating important ideas.
TIA…
Your statement, as it stands, comes across as a personal attack rather than actually trying to communicate something constructive.
Dublin post=5120 wrote: The USA has controlled the global monetary system, through control of a vital essential physical asset. OIL.
Hi Dublin, what is this USA of which you speak? I’m a US citizen and I have absolutely zero input into what my government does.
So it surely doesn’t refer to me as a citizen. In fact, I’ve never met anyone that has any real say in what our government does.
My son read a biography on Socrates. When I asked him what he learned about Socrates, he responded, “he thought a lot.”
I asked him what Socrates thought about.
“About words” was his response.
Smart guy, that Socrates.
My research makes it clear that the modern day Sophists use language in which to hide.
IMHO, USA is a bad term because it is too vague. More to the point, it is the Money Power that controls our government. They finance our politicians and they control our politicians. The real voter fraud is the fact you only get to pick between Big Finance Capital Puppet #1 and Big Finance Capital Puppet #2.
Or, as Vladimir Lenin put it, “the best way to control the opposition is to lead it.”
According to my research, Big Finance Capital is actually international in nature – they don’t know any boundaries for their Money Power club. If true, using the term USA is actually incorrect and very misleading.
My view is that this international money power cartel has effectively hijacked the government of the USA, not through the force of arms, mind you, but through the force of insight into how to manipulate public opinion (h/t to John Taylor Gatto), and is using our national resources, be it our blood, our money or our name, in order to exact an agenda that serves their interests.
One such interest is to wage economic war upon the vast majority of the USA outside their Money Power clique.
So when you use the term USA, it hides that this cartel is actually waging asymmetrical, Sun Tzu style Art of War on the USA itself!
Socrates’ wisdom to meditate on the meaning of words and how they are used is impressive, IMHO.
Concise language is very important. The social engineers realize this and they use it as a weapon to impoverish us.
Glennda post=5113 wrote: While I don’t think GMOs are necessarily a bad thing, the problem is the sneaky monopolistic style of Monsanto.
Hi Glennda, on what basis do you reach the conclusion that GMOs may not be a bad thing? Industry’s refusal to do meaningful human health studies indicates to me that they learned from their Agent Orange fiasco… maybe if they could have prevented Agent Orange health studies they still could be selling it, huh? Think of all those Agent Orange profits lost.
Thanks for posting the Occupy Monsanto information.
The big hitter is Pro 37 in CA – it is an initiative to force the labelling of GMO foods in CA. You’d think a company that was proud of their product would label it.
“If you put a label on genetically engineered food you might as well put a skull and crossbones on it.” – Norman Braksick, president of Asgrow Seed Co., a subsidiary of Monsanto, quoted in the Kansas City Star, March 7, 1994
Well, Norman Braksick, if you would do human health studies then people wouldn’t need to consider it toxic. Or is this your way of telling us you know it is toxic and don’t want the lemmings to find out?
‘The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance—it is the illusion of knowledge.’
– Daniel J. BoorstinLosing an illusion makes you wiser than finding a truth.
– Ludwig Borne“Real education must ultimately be limited to men who insist on knowing, the rest is mere sheep-herding.”
– Ezra PoundHi Nicole,
Now that this Century of Challenges link is dead…
https://www.postpeakeducation.com/Nicole-Foss/A-Century-Of-Challenges/index.cfm
…is Century of Challenges located elsewhere so that I can re-view it?
TIA…
So, WHO are these people that are ripping off society and WHAT is their modus operandi to ripping us off?
It seems those are the two foundational questions that comprise the big elephant in the room nobody wants to acknowledge.
One caveat, though – if you don’t root out the root cause, the problem will never go away.
Ignoring the root cause is to establish the root.
ashvin post=4815 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=4811]
IMHO, a paradigm of equality is where it is at longer term.Hey Triv,
I agree, one should not diminish oneself. The Golden Rule counts as “selfless” in my book.
Hi Ash, I thought so, however, I’m pointing out that “selfless” is a word that will confuse some of your audience as it implies, well, “self” and “less.”What you think it means isn’t very important, it is what your readers will think it means. Some will “get it,” others will not.
My kid read a biography on Socrates. I asked him to tell me about Socrates. He said, “He thought a lot.” I asked what he thought about. “Words.”
The kid of 1,000 words, I know. 😉
Then it was made even more clear that one of the most powerful manipulation tools the social engineers use to manipulate the proles are the building blocks of the language itself.
In almost all instances, words/phrases like communism, free market, democracy, republic, capitalism and socialism are used incorrectly and confuse the listener(s).
None of those words or ideas express the truth of the world we live in – each is an engineered deception to prevent the proles from realizing the truth.
More accurate words are plutocracy, fascism, soft oligarch controlled dictatorship, hard oligarch controlled dictatorship and corporatocracy.
But the accurate words reveal the truth – and the truth is bad. So the false narrative is repeated over and over and over – even by well meaning people who are just reflecting the false narrative that inundated them throughout their lives.
The system promotes the lies… Since people don’t want the hassles that go along with the truth, they are apt to not only accept the lies, but embraces the lies.
Words are important – Socrates had some incredible insight when he made it a priority to simply sit back and meditate on the meaning of words, the building blocks of language, and how they could be used to create a false reality that benefits the dictators (be they soft or hard).
I guarantee you the average duped Republican envisions something far, far, far different than the average duped Democrat when the word “socialism” is expressed. Same word – very, very different meanings. That’s a very big problem and the [D]elites benefit from proletariat confusion.
I’m not immune from using words that fall short of my intended meaning. I created the term Debt Dollar Tyranny, but RE pointed out that wasn’t accurate as more than the dollar is effected by debt money fraud. He suggested Debt Money Tyranny was more accurate.
That’s the term I use now – Debt Money Tyranny – because it is simply more accurate and will result in less confusion.
Hi Ash,
Just a clarification from my POV… “Selfless” is not a good thing. Caring for others EQUAL to oneself is the only attribute that will lead to peace, harmony and prosperity over time.
One needs to have a healthy sense of self – exactly equal to their sense of other people… which should also be healthy.
I bet that’s probably the concept you meant when you used the word “selfless,” but it can easily be misconstrued as valuing others as more worthy than oneself.
I believe that view is quite unhealthy.
IMHO, a paradigm of equality is where it is at longer term.
Hi Ash,
Nice article. I’m convinced that most people simply believe what makes them feel comfortable.
Armed with this knowledge and near unlimited debt money receipts to game the “free market” veneer, the propagandists simply have their way with much of the populace.
“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society.”
~Edward Bernays (Sigmund Freud’s nephew)https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Propaganda, Edward Bernays
https://archive.org/details/Porpaganda
The Century of Self
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjFL02NmBrc
I also believe they know that if they can use the media to mock and belittle a group, for example anti-fluoride activists in Dr. Strangelove…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr2bSL5VQgM&feature=related
…most people will not be inclined to investigate the legitimacy of a particular claim.
BTW, you’ll never see the truth in a major film – that the EPA scientist union opposes water fluoridation and that it, along with the myriad of other toxins that come with it, is very toxic.
https://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
The key is *over time*. It bio-accumulates. By the time your mind stops operating as you age, you have no idea what impact the toxins had on impaired brain function. Call it slow kill if you will. Brain impaired elderly people won’t be able to resist Debt Money Tyranny nearly as much during the bankruptcy and nation state liquidation phase of this operation. Not to mention the “genius” of turning a multi billion dollar hazardous waste storage problem into a multi billion dollar profit making enterprise.
Again, this is why the Trivium methodology is so important.
Many people are running around believing they know something simply because other people believe it. Even worse, they mock people out of their complete ignorance of the relevant issues.
Ash, have you heard this Martin Luther King speech referenced in KMO’s podcast (it starts about 3:11 into the podcast)?
https://c-realm.com/podcasts/crealm/292-limited-hangouts-and-perception-management/
I’m not sure he understood the details of the Debt Money Tyranny, but I have no doubt that he very clearly smelled a systemic economic rat.
I also believe that MLK’s focus on love (caring for others equal to oneself) is the answer.
Do we care enough to pay cash and starve the big banks of their 3% cut? Do we care enough to support our local communities even when it costs us more? Do we care enough to learn about GMOs and demand human testing? Do we care enough to understand why fluoridated water is opposed by the EPA scientists or why the flu shot has never undergone randomized, double blind placebo studies for efficacy? Do we care enough about the future of our children to resist and expose the mechanisms used by the power structure to destroy that future?
The societal answer is a resounding “no” to date.
We don’t care, and the predator class understands this and uses this societal character defect as the central core of their plan to destroy us.
The more I hear or read of MLK’s actual work, the more I understand why the system hated him.
Hi Ash,
Aren’t you just the life of the party. 😉
Job was an incredible personality. I don’t know how well I’d do in similar circumstance, but I don’t think it would be anywhere near as well as Job handled it – I guess that’s why his story was made a book in the Bible.
I’m warning people of what is coming and encouraging them to take out some food and water insurance. Most laugh at me. I do not look forward to the day they show up on my door with nothing as they won’t be as high up the priority list to help as the folks who weren’t given any warning at all.
I saw a guy I met at last year’s Occupy protests. He’s in his late 20s and lives in the street. He’s a nice guy and he’s really into the Bible – so he sees his work as kind of a minister to other people, many of whom who are on the street.
He has a serious system of street living down pat – skills that will become more valuable as time progresses.
It dawned on my today that we might be able to do a video on how to survive on the street in the city – if only I had video production talent.
I do want to pick his brains as what is most important in terms of skills and things to live on the street. I have no doubt that he has high level street survival skills and insight.
I’m saving like crazy – but bitter that every dollar I save is someone else’s unpayable debt that money lenders collect a vig on – by definition.
Debt Money Tyranny is so freaking immoral…
I’m warning and preparing – fully expecting to need to help plenty of others, but also knowing that my family is my first priority.
@Board,
If I short some stocks now (think hedge) and they ban short selling later (I expect this), will I be able to cover my shorts then or will they nullify the whole trade?
How did the short sale bank in Europe work out?
TIA…
@Board,
My family has about equal money in both an IRA and a 401k money. Needless to say, this makes me uncomfortable. Since I’d probably lose about 60% of it by cashing out now, I’ve been playing a sort of game of “chicken.” I’ve left it in place gambling that I might lose my job before I cashed out the IRA.
While I’m happy to still be employed, especially after last week’s 10% layoff, I do get more nervous as time goes by.
I can’t get the 401k money out until I leave. However, I can start taking out IRA money – that is unless they change the law to prevent it.
Let’s go with a round number pulled out of thin air – $100k. Assume each account has $100k in it.
What would you do with it? The 401k money can’t be touched until our employment is terminated, so that’s off limits for now.
Would you take the 60% (possibly more) hit on the IRA money now or gamble for a lower unemployed style tax rate later? Would you mix it up – 30% IRA now, evaluate the rest when tax law for next year become transparent?
Hi Ash,
Excellent piece. People have to remember – money *is* debt – the consequence of everyone paying their debts IS NO MONEY to run society!
Well, except for coinage which is debt free.
Hyperinflation is only possible in a different system than we have today – they have to disassociate debt from money to hyperinflate.
A banker widget is debt. Debt is their product.
The corporate mandate, to maximize profits, is also correctly stated as “maximize banker widgets (debt) external to the company” – which is the exact same as “maximizing profits.”
The take away is that we all get up and go to our job with thing in mind – saturate the world with debt as quickly as possible.
We all work to maximize Bankster widgets… and my friends tell me these people are stupid. -lol-
Doing so is mathematically unsustainable, though, and so this approach will end. The only item to be determined is who will eat the losses… the people who control the levers of power who own most of the debt and control most of the cash through front corporations… you know, the ones doling out .6% 30 year loans who finance the campaigns of both party candidates and promote them through their media… or the little guy who has already had their face financially ripped off?
Yeah. That’s an easy one. That’s not to exclude another round of Treasury looting and societal debt saturation… they might do it.
But they won’t do it when it hurts them. That’s the decision point and the change of policy that Stoneleigh discusses so eloquently.
On a related note, Damon Vrabel had an excellent piece worthy of consideration…
The Coming Crash: Usury and the Irrelevant Church
https://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/23067
Standing up for what is right isn’t easy… and, as a society, we like easy. As one British podcast interviewee put it, “Americans fear one thing and one thing only… inconvenience.”
BTW, anyone seriously interested in learning more, should due way more due diligence than just watching a documentary (which will be skewed in Burzynksi’s favor – doesn’t mean it is true or not, the impartial data should reveal that).
One criticism of his work is that it hasn’t been peer reviewed and published in a medical journal. That sounds reasonable.
Where are the peer reviewed randomized, double blind placebo studies for fluoride or the flu shot?
Oooops! Even though they don’t exist, that’s “establishment” so it doesn’t get criticized.
So many (I couldn’t find any criticising fluoride and flu shots as quackery like they Burzynksi, share a link if you find one – just one!) of these alleged “skeptics” aren’t consistent in their questioning of medicine. They “pick on the little guy.”
In addition, one site I read calls him a quack, but doesn’t provide any kind of detailed data or logic applied to that data to prove the point. No peer reviewed studies in a journal – the guy is a quack.
No, that doesn’t logically follow. It might be true or it might not be true – that has yet to be established.
Think. Question. Always.
XYZ post=4441 wrote: A few years ago on TAE, during a discussion on why it is so difficult to inform many people on climate/energy/finance, someone (perhaps Scandia or Bluebird) mentioned a site where one could answer a set of questions and receive a very succinct analysis of their personality.
I personally grant little credence to such analysis, but I wish to find the site again and use it as an example of this type of analysis.
Can anyone help me with finding it?
Thanks,
XYZI think it boils down to a couple things.
The main factor, IMHO, is revealed in a slight modification to an Upton Sinclair quote…
“It is difficult to get a person to understand something, when his comfort level depends upon his not understanding it!”
However, one must be 100% sure that they can present the actual data and the actual logic of their argument in order to convince someone trained in the Trivium method of critical thinking (you know, the method guys like Socrates used – the first three of the seven liberal arts).
If you can’t do that, then you can’t convince a rational, clear thinking, logical person.
If all you can do is repeat what someone else (even a lot of someone elses) said, then you don’t really know, either – all you know is what a lot of people say, not what is necessarily real.
So, make sure your ducks are in order first. Make sure you’ve seen the source data yourself. Make sure you understand the method and logic of data collection. Make sure you know all the minutiae required to be certain something is true – don’t just repeat what other people say.
Even media promoted “experts.” Perhaps, especially media (Big Finance Capital funded and promoted) “experts.”
People cite a “dual mandate” based upon “expert” Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke claims AND THEY ARE ALL WRONG.
There is no dual mandate. There is a singular mandate that the “experts” have been criminally breaking for 25 years.
“The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy’s long run potential to increase production…”
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
Simply citing an expert is not *proof* of anything. It doesn’t mean the expert’s claims are necessarily false, either. It simply means YOU DON’T KNOW THE TRUTH AND YOU HAVE NO WAY TO VERIFY IT!
Even Reagan understood the important of verification, at least in word, when he said, “Trust, BUT VERIFY.”
Now, if you don’t KNOW the truth, you probably should not be trying to convince others of what you, in fact, do not know.
Food for thought.
That’s why I like the finance angle – it is mathematical fact that Debt Money Tyranny is a fraud upon the common person within society.
It is proven beyond any and all doubt that the Federal Reserve System that enforces Debt Money Tyranny is also a criminal organization that illegally has been running a credit bubble / bust, societal asset stripping operation on America for 25 years running – and lied about it the whole time!
Golden Oxen post=4455 wrote: The amount seems rather large to me, but who knows, it could be more I suppose. Whatever the case exaggerated figure or not the deflation argument has just gotten a lot weaker in my view.
Golden, the self interest of the psychopaths with all this money is to collapse everyone else in order buy up planet Earth for pennies on the dollar. The more they hoard debt receipt “money,” the more bailouts their business interests get, the faster everyone else goes bankrupt and pukes up their indebted real assets.
It’s actually the highest Art of War in action… war is all about deception, the best warrior doesn’t have to fight, if you want to bankrupt the nation, create an endless war on terror, load your treasury with bailouts while impoverishing your ignorant enemy.
Lord Action warned us…
The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the banks.
~Lord ActonThis issue is being fought right now before our eyes – and one side has NO CLUE that there is even an issue, let alone that they are being used to mop the floor.
It isn’t net wealth that’s important, it is RELATIVE wealth that is important. If Big Finance Capital loses have their wealth, but society loses all of it and then is permanently indebted through fraudulent Debt Money Tyranny… well… Rockefeller’s wet dream will have come true – to dominate you and everyone else in society…
“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years……It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supernational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries.”
~David RockefellerThey are transparent about it, too.
Search “UN bill of rights”
Go to Article 29 (3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
IOW, if the Big Finance Capital controlled United Nations corporate front doesn’t like you, YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS!
Freedom is truly slavery.
jal post=4454 wrote: I disagree!
Our analysis finds that at the end of 2010 the Top 50 private banks alone collectively managed more than $12.1 trillion in cross-border invested assets for private clients, including their trusts and foundations. This is up from $5.4 trillion in 2005, representing an average annual growth rate of more than 16%.
Now you know … that is the primary reason not to let the banks go bankrupt.
The banks need the cash flow from the gov. to hid the fact that most of that $12.1 trillion does not exist.
The ponzi is bigger than you ever imagined.
Imagine if B. Madoff had not confessed and if the gov. had keep supplying him with a cash flow.
hehehe
The number of the global super-rich who have amassed a $21 trillion offshore fortune is fewer than 10 million people. Of these, less than 100,000 people worldwide own $9.8 trillion of wealth held offshore.
What would happen if those 10 million people suddenly were told that their fortunes had been mal invested?
Yep!
HEADS WOULD ROLL.
Excellent article Ilargi and excellent reply, jal.
I’d like to add that this is almost assuredly *public* information. I bet lots of wealth is kept off the books somewhere.
Also, note how they use people as the denominator.
How about “related families?”
How about “related families those with close interpersonal and business ties to the related families?”
Now we are getting pretty close to the Big Finance Capital club and their management class of minions.
Do the math – it isn’t that big of a number. Add in the hidden wealth these politically connected people are able to hide without threat of government intervention and, wow, we’ve been played for chumps.
If you really want to see how badly we’ve been beaten black and blue, how about count “assets under control.” For example, one might own 10% of something, BUT THEY MAY CONTROL 100% OF THE ASSET.
George Carlin, The Owners of America (caution – language, but well worth ignoring the language for the message, IMHO!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dY4WlxO6i0
Remember, their monetary net wealth is our monetary net debt – BY DEFINITION (except coinage)! Get this – if $1 is lost to a fire, then the net debt is impossible to pay back no matter what! What a system!
It is IMPOSSIBLE for our debt to be paid unless they give us all their money – and then there would be no money with which to transact business outside of coinage!
Collapse if you do, collapse if you don’t.
BTW, guess which group of people don’t allow Debt Dollar Tyranny?
That’s right – those scary Muslims. Guess what happens when the Debt Dollar Tyrants trick the American chumptocracy that another Muslim nation needs to be “peace bombed?”
Libya all about oil, or central banking?
https://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html
Oh, and Big Finance Capital Monsanto gets to force their produce on commercial farmers in the new “freedom:”
The Real Victor in Iraq: Monsanto
https://www.thepanelist.net/opinions-culture-10084/1252-the-real-victor-in-iraq-monsanto
Hi Ilargi,
Thanks for sharing such breaking news with us. I guess they transferred the debt away from their key Big Finance Capital interests (bankster offloaded debt onto the public and called it a “bailout for Greece”) so it is time to throw the Greek proletariat under the bus – and surely run over them repeatedly until there is no longer a “bump in the road,” as it were.
More debt receipts “money” for bailed out criminal international cartel banksters means more debt + interest paid to the very predatory institutions that we bailed out.
I would not believe this simple con game could be so effective if I were not watching it play out before my very eyes.
I took the liberty of modifying and Upton Sinclair quote in order to boil down the to its essence the psychological trait being most exploited by these Bernie Madoff, Ken Lay type criminals…
“It is difficult to get a person to understand something, when his comfort level depends upon his not understanding it.”
The cost of believing reality is simply still too high for most people, so the fraud will continue, unabated, until the cost of reality is perceived to be too high to ignore.
These criminals are Econ 101 application geniuses…
Hi Ash,
Again, I’d argue they can do what they want, but their self interest is to consolidate and control – so of course that’s what they do.
I’m 100% aligned with the TAE view of where this all goes (loss of liberty, societal asset stripping, be prepared to feed and drink yourself, the government won’t help you, etc…).
The distinction I make is that it need not go that way out of necessity, but that it will go that way because the oligarchs want it to go that way. Basically, it is an academic discussion because the results we expect are basically identical.
The oligarchs have conditioned the people to believe that anyone who actually believes in the Constitution is a quack… if not a dangerous extremist. 99% of what we observe out of government is unConstitutional. A good portion of that is King Georgian. Come to think of it, was King George really that bad compared to what we have today – including the end game that cometh?
I guess I’m the weird guy for thinking that the people who control the money supply have criminally broken their own penalty-free law (it isn’t even a law, got equal justice?) and lied about it for 25 years is news worthy of an article – or even a mention in the comments!
Especially when that is the ROOT CAUSE of the economic depression and collapse that awaits us.
I’d like to point out that the #1 contributor to CO2 output is Big Finance Capital and the criminal bubble they blew taking credit exponential to actual output.
Now Big Finance Capital turns around and supports “carbon taxes” and “carbon credits” to enshrine their already existing mega corporations as essentially monopolies (they get the credits, their competition gets the taxes and, therefore, can’t compete).
Even worse, oligarchs get the credits, sell them and move “shop” to countries that don’t tax the carbon!
https://www.renewamerica.com/columns/hank/100223
Regardless of whether CO2 is the world’s greatest threat or not (I’m more worried about the spent fuel rods sitting above Fukushima Reactor #4 right now – if they fall into the reactor… WOW! But the bankster media doesn’t cover and the banskters don’t fund countermeasures with billions so it can’t be important), the banksters are taking the chumptocracies for a ride.
They are masters at playing off noble intentions in order to further entrench their tyranny.
ashvin post=4417 wrote: I disagree. They may have been instrumental in creating the system, but they can’t simply change the most basic rules without changing the entire system.
My entire point is that they could change the entire system should they simply decide to do so. You’ve erected an arbitrary constraint on them that need not exist and doesn’t exist. They’ve already changed the entire system in which we operate several times over. if you think about it, I bet you can make a list of how the system was fundamentally changed since 2008.
“Suck it in and cope, buddy. Suck it in and cope.”
~Charlie Mungerashvin post=4417 wrote: That means they are being forced in a certain direction in order to maintain their grip, i.e. more centralization/consolidation of wealth, more intervention/regulation of markets, more explicit handouts to the elite class, more extraction of wealth from workers/taxpayers and mid-level owners of assets, more police state repression, etc., basically – more complexity to maintain complexity. I believe that forced path will eventually lead them to a steep cliff somewhere, with nowhere left to go but down… way down.
That’s where our paradigms part ways – they simply choose the system and the system forces certain actions… When it suits their needs, they change the system. They’ve already done it multiple times – TBTF, selective legalized securities fraud, Presidential assassination powers with zero oversight, government reaching inside your pants, etc…
ashvin post=4417 wrote: We’ve been over this too many times before… you are assuming that no one else knows about it because we don’t write about it every chance we get. That’s not true. We have written about it several times in the past
Please post a link where I can find the TAE article that exposes the Federal Reserve as black letter law criminally breaking Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act. I want to send that link out to everyone on my mailing list.
We are going to get that link, right? 😉 For the record, I don’t think that link exists, Ash – but I’m pretty darn excited about being proven wrong.
As to your point that different people have different goals and different ways to achieve them – I totally agree and respect everyone’s wisdom and right to do as they see fit. I obviously enjoy TAE’s overall approach immensely, hence, my participation here.
Sorry for ranting a bit on the main thread and taking too much space. Ilargi, thanks for the reminder to be more concise.
ashvin post=4400 wrote: So according to your BFC criminal cartel model, could the Owners simply maintain the status quo financial capitalist system for the next 5, 10, 20 years if they wanted to?
I don’t see how they could – the reason being that the mathematical limits on the current system appear to be stretched to the limit. The point I’m trying to make is that “The Owners” are the reason this system exists in the first place and they understand the mechanics and use them to their advantage.
*If* they wanted to change the rules and, therefore, the mathematics of the system, they could – who would stop them? I believe the current system is operating exactly as they want it to, so why would they change it? They wouldn’t. But that doesn’t mean they could not change it. That’s the distinction.
For example, they could mint $50 trillion debt free coins and hand them out to, equally, to every citizen in the country.
You do see how that 1) is possible and 2) would destroy the deflation / societal asset stripping argument, right? They won’t do that – not because they can not do it, but because it doesn’t serve their interests (which aren’t the common person’s interests).
ashvin post=4400 wrote: Could they keep the masses confident in the banking system, the international bond markets functioning smoothly, the mercantile countries exporting, the debtor nations consuming, etc.? If not, then we must necessarily place a limit on their power to produce specific outcomes.
All else being equal… of course. But it need not be equal. As mentioned above, they could mint $50 trillion in debt free coins and hand them out equally to everyone in the entire country or they could hand them out in proportion to the debt one was in… either way… it’s a *game changer* compared to the status quo.
ashvin post=4400 wrote: I’m not saying that many of the current crises were not anticipated and/or planned by groups of elites, or, even more obviously, that they are benefiting from these crises in many different ways. But it seems very unrealistic and counter-productive to me when we assume these already powerful people and institutions are borderline omnipotent.
Ashvin, that’s your interpretation, not mine. I do not think these people are omnipotent or even borderline so. However, they do have immense power and they have an agenda and the world continually moves in the direction of enriching them and increasing their power as it impoverishes everyone else and reduces everyone else’s power.
Where, exactly, do you think that ends up?
ashvin post=4400 wrote: Instead, I am confident that there will come a time when they are rendered nearly impotent, and how soon that time arrives is ultimately up to the rest of us.
While I hope you are right, I’m nowhere near confident that you are right. As it stands now, the average person defends the oligarch systems of oppression and they likely won’t “get it” until they are homeless and starving.
Is that too late to “get it?”
I hope not.
The problem, as I see it, is that people lack empathy and concern for others (and even themselves, ultimately, but they don’t know it yet!) to take ACTION BEFORE THE HELLFIRE ACTUALLY BURNS THEMSELVES. IMHO, that’s too late.
I highly recommend watching The Ultimate History Lesson with John Taylor Gatto (3 time NY state teacher of the year, skip the first 17 minutes or so if you are so inclined):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8
There are 5 parts, so keep clicking through.
In addition, I highly recommend you listen to the following audiobook:
Disciplined Minds
A Critical Look at Salaried Professionals and the Soul-battering System That Shapes Their Lives, by Jeff Schmidt (2000)https://www.unwelcomeguests.net/Disciplined_Minds
I’m only through the first 6 chapters, but the information and viewpoint presented up to this point would be worth the entire book – I’m sure more goodness lies ahead.
I haven’t listened yet, but next on my audiobook list is:
The Underground History of American Education
An Intimate Investigation into the Prison of Modern Schooling, by John Taylor Gatto (2001)https://www.unwelcomeguests.net/The_Underground_History_of_American_Education
I don’t have all the answers, but I do see the results of the system in which we live.
For example, I see a Federal Reserve System that has criminally broken its own statute for 25+ years running and lies about it to cover it up.
No media covers the crime biggest non World War crime event of human history – not even Stoneleigh will touch it. She’s far to intelligent to deny it, though – it is simply off limits.
Call it self censoring.
How does the evil system cause someone as gifted and good as Stoneleigh to self censor? Not just Stoneleigh, but Ilargi as well? Not just those to, BUT NEARLY EVERYONE! It is trivial to prove beyond all doubt and back… it is the root cause of the Greatest Depression… but it is, apparently, off limits.
Why? How? It isn’t an accident… it benefits Big Finance Capital and it hurts the average citizen… will eventually murder 100s of millions, if not a billion people.
What causes a highly intelligent and compassionate law student bent towards social justice to just *accept* the criminality that ultimately will lead to the Greatest Depression human history has ever seen?
Because I’m livid about it – and it is awful lonely being livid because nobody else seems to be able to acknowledge the root cause, let alone give it a second thought.
As a process engineer, I know very well that if you don’t address the *ROOT CAUSE*, you haven’t fixed the problem.
The Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations created teacher pensions – BUT ONLY IF THE TEACHERS TEACH THEIR CURRICULUM. Of course, they all line up to teach their curriculum – who doesn’t want “free money?” The cost? Nobody bothers to ask – the money is flowing… the fraudulent gains of a debt based treasonous monetary system, that is.
The average MD doctor thinks putting toxic waste in the water is equivalent to “mother’s milk” when the EPA scientists oppose it (few of them even know this, of course – the system is rigged) and point out that no solid research supports the practice and lots of research indicates it is detrimental to the health of the population.
WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS OPPOSES FLUORIDATION
https://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
Do you, an intelligent, compassionate person, still slurp down your Big Finance Capital Central State sanctioned toxic brew (including lead, mercury, radioactive isotopes) without even knowing why?
It is linked to reduced IQ over long exposures… do you think Big Finance Capital benefits when older, experienced people lose their mental faculties and then have to surrender what little wealth they’ve accumulated to the Big Finance Capital sick care system to “care” for them?
I have no doubt that the manipulation and control of the system requires our consent… even if misguided… but how does it get our consent? How does it deceive otherwise bright people?
I don’t know exactly, but I do know that it does.
So this crowd has incredible influence and power and the common person either can do nothing about it or believes they can’t do anything so they don’t even try… they give up and then the [D]elites have even more control over the system and use it to oppress even more people in ever diverse ways.
It is happening. Period.
PS – They feed you untested for human safety GMO “pesticide” food and you guys can’t even muster the effort to speak out against that kind of corporate corruption… you just sit back and accept that others control your food supply and tell you that your ignorance is best… not being able to complain any more than a cow can complain about his food to the farmer.
They exert incredible control over people because no rational, free minded, independent person would every put up with that BS!
“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive [Big Finance Capital that sponsors politicians] of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers…. The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth.”
~Aldous Huxley (whose brother was a high up United Nation’s big wig and Big Finance Capital minion)Viscount St. Albans post=4386 wrote: Just to be clear. My misremembering is at the margins, and your opening sentence seems intended to obscure your admission.
Your 2009 comment was: You’d be surprised if the DOW was above 1000 (that’s one-thousand) by the end of 2010.
Do you agree that the comment was rather spectacularly off the mark?
Off by 3 years (since your original comment) and counting and a multiple of 13x.
13x is not a small mistake. It’s not a small surprise. Most scientists, when confronted by a measurement that is 13x off the mark, would re-examine their model. Or admit that their understanding has some very strong limitations.
But Stoneleigh has… she is surprised by the continuing level of confidence and liquidity in the system… that wasn’t part of her original model.
She argues that her overall paradigm is correct, though – and I think she’s right.
I do see where Stoneleigh can be perceived as being a bit arrogant. For example, I think her POV is exactly correct, even if for slightly different reasons. She’d argue mechanics of the system (which is correct), but I’d argue that her POV benefits the criminal banking cartel, which is more FUNDAMENTAL than the system because they could – and would – change the system to benefit themselves.
This leads me to believe that deflation is a criminal Big Finance Capital choice (leaving the current system in place instead of changing the system midstream) rather than what Stoneleigh argues is the necessary outcome (assuming the system remains the same).
The point being – she comes off as certain (seemingly arrogant) based on current mechanics while I continually try and see how different outcomes could benefit the parasitic criminals at the top that would cause them to change the game and the outcome. So far, I think busting and asset stripping society is still the “go to” plan. If I’m right, perhaps confidence in mechanics is being misperceived as arrogance. Is someone arrogant for claiming 2+2=4 when Winston might believe it is 5 or is that simply confidence based on an in depth understanding of math definitions?
Anyway, I think your criticism boils down to Stoneleigh not correctly predicting the level and durability of societal mass delusion and acceptance of criminal activity and manipulation that has allowed the DOW to be 13x higher than she thought it would likely be much sooner.
I think she’d agree, but she’s much too nice and polite to say that in public. 😉
Hi Skip,
If you haven’t already, take a listen to the Opening Money podcast.
One of the key issues addressed is how to give business owners an incentive to participate.
I have to give it a second listen to see if I can pick up more details.
Hi Nicole, another excellent article – thank you.
I agree with you about gurus… parties… movements…
The system creates groups so that it can then set them against each other while it conquers everyone within the system.
I value individualism and ideals like knowledge, wisdom, logic and, most of all, kindness and compassion. I sense a spirit in you that is blessed with all the above in good portion and I think we all are blessed to have both you and Ilargi sharing your insights as a revolutionary act within a world of deceit.
I would note that this credit bubble is actually the result of criminals breaking the law – search Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act. I suspect you know this quite well, but choose “not to go there.”
But I will. 😉
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
Regarding Viscount, I think he probably refers to Stoneleigh’s comments about the dead cat bounce probably lasting into 2010 or 2011 and recommending that one should sell their gold around $1,000 an ounce.
Stoneleigh would likely counter that she’s made it clear she is into predicting macro trends and not individual price movements and that she’s never even attempted to call a top in gold, rather, she’s just trying to get people prepared for the coming “crunch” of mega epic proportions and that trying to game the system and pick tops is a good way to get one’s head cut off in the end.
Rubin is a hack, IMHO and Stoneleigh has the “big picture” view down, even if she can’t gauge micro time frames very well (something that she really makes no attempt to do, BTW).
Again, she’s trying to get people ready for an economic collapse (engineered on purpose by Big Finance Capital criminals in control of your government – she won’t say it, but it is a proven fact and I’ll say it).
2-3 years too early is much, much, much better than 1 second too late. When this goes down, IMHO, nobody who is 1 second too late will argue, either – and they will wish they had sold out and protected their assets in cash as recommended by Stoneleigh.
My one question remains… what happens to our Treasury Direct money when the banks shut down and limit deposits… will they also limit Treasury Direct money as well?
I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t think the “too late” moment can be too far down the road (but I suck at micro timing as well – so don’t go on my feelings).
jal post=4348 wrote: Bennie will need to print money and send it where it is needed.
Municipalities, districts, states are choking on their debts and cannot pay their workers and give the needed service that they have promised.
Banks are terrified that those level of governments will default and stop the cash flow. They have the ear of Bennie. Bennie will listen if he want to keep the system operating for a while longer.
Its a no brainer …
Buy muni. bonds etc., in exchange for cash to muni., this relieves the munis. of having to pay the bond holders.
The cash flow continues from Bennie and everyone is happy.Just because it hasn’t been done before doesn’t mean that they haven’t figured a way of doing it.
jal, Ben is a figurehead. The MONEY POWER that controls the major multinationals including, but not limited to, mega TBTF&J banks, call the shots and Bernanke knows he best not step in the way of their self interest.
Their goal is not to kick the can until it collapses. That’s economically irrational – and these MONEY POWER people are nothing if not economically rational.
They won’t bail out munis in any serious way, if at all.
As the munis go bankrupt, the MONEY POWER will swoop in and buy up the infrastructure with all our bail out money.
Then they will triple the prices and cut back on services and repair.
How many times have they done this? Watch The Corporation – they even privatized rain water in Bolivia!
This is a criminal bubble / bust operation. The bust has only just begun – and it is every bit the intention of Big Finance Capital as the bubble portion.
This is how they eliminate their competition (anyone not TBTF&J like themselves) and roll up society’s assets under their front corporations and seize control of, frankly, the world – that’s the way it looks now and the ignorance and apathy of almost everyone isn’t much of a road block for them.
BTW, did you watch the Ultimate History Lesson? If so, what did you think?
Viscount St. Albans post=4349 wrote: Should the Spanish coal miners continue to chip away at their much-depleted deposits? What would Al Gore and Greenpeace recommend?
Is it wise for the Spanish government to continue subsidizing this sacred cow? Is there any other context, apart from the current crisis, in which this discussion could occur?
There is a silver lining here: The disappearance of this one particular coal-dust-laden pie slice, along with 1000s of other fabricated pie slices, has done much to curb the global appetite.
Our sovereign debt crises have done more to realign global wants with Earth-bound realities than anything the climate change campaigners could ever hope to achieve.
There’s an ironic altruism at work here. Lloyd Blankfein wasn’t entirely joking when he mentioned doing the Lord’s work.
You are missing some of the context. Blankfein and company criminally blew the world’s largest credit bubble – and that enabled much of the excesses that enslave us today.
Now that he’s cut back a little, he gets credit for doing “God’s Work?”
Uh, no. He’s running a criminal bubble / bust operation and using the climate change agenda to trick people into accepting the bust portion of this criminal operation as being “good.”
You know something is up when the mega banks who created this criminal bubble (and positively correlated energy use) now fund the promotion of reduced energy…
They didn’t blow the bubble because they liked the Earth and they aren’t deflating the bubble because they like the Earth.
Try… because they hate you and want to rob you blind such that you don’t even know you’ve been robbed.
Read Art of War by Sun Tzu:
“War is all about deception”
“The best warriors never have to fight.”
Got that? They trick you… they con you with something like a fraudulent monetary system that systematically conveys monetary wealth to themselves so they can then use the “free market” veneer to seize control of society and its citizens that need a pay check to live
So elementary, my dear Watson. Sooooo elementary. Just open your eyes… it is right there in front of you.
Also “The Ultimate History Lesson” explains much of the greater context:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQiW_l848t8
You can click through for the rest of the 5 total parts.
Excellent article Ilargi.
autoearthadmin post=4345 wrote: “Blame Greenspan for this S&P 500 effect… it’s his free put,” said Robert Savage, chief executive of research site Track.com and formerly managing director of FX Macro Sales at Goldman Sachs. “Since 1994, the battle of central banks hasn’t been to fight inflation, but rather to smooth out the business cycle and credit. The convergence of global rates and inflation left the decisions of the FOMC as the key variable for S&P 500.”
Uh, not quite Mr. Savage. There is the oligarch run Central State sanctioned narrative and then there is reality.
The central banks have been fighting to criminally take credit exponential to GDP in the United States – a clear violation of Section 2A fo the Federal Reserve Act:
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
Not only do people not value money in the future correctly, they can’t value factual reality that isn’t highlighted in the oligarch controlled main stream media.
This is all a big con game run by the world’s most powerful mob using economic application to roll everyone up into this covert tyranny from hades.
Even worse, the whole monetary system is based upon treasonous societal asset stripping debt based money fraud:
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3325954/debt-dollar-tyranny-2-54k?tr=77
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.” ~Henry Ford
“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.)
Look how pretty that “mathematical equation” graphs out:
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
“This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth.…When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized.…The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill.…” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.)
PS – In the context of the criminal exponential debt growth and the criminal insider trading, it makes sense that the insiders would front run a central bank when they knew, in advance of everyone else, that the central bank would come out and “ease” into the world’s largest credit bubble.
At some point, the bust operation goes full tilt… the whole point is to asset strip “Muppets” and kill off their competition.
So nobody cares enough about their food being turned into untested pesticide to comment?
Sheep to slaughter? That’s a choice – and one anyone can change today. Yes, it is scary that powerful people are toxifying the food and refusing human safety studies… but it is also scary that they’ve rigged the monetary system and criminally blown the world’s largest credit bubble / bust operation to asset strip society… and lied to cover it up (false “dual mandate” narrative).
If you want to take a stand against Big Finance Capital’s oppression towards humanity (remember, livestock don’t get to know what they eat, their masters just feed them), work diligently to get the word out on untested GMO pesticide food.
Vote Yes o California Prop 37 – Label untested GMO pesticide “foods” in California… and hopefully everywhere else.
If you don’t live in CA, call everyone you do. Educated people with intellectual self defense will understand the dangers of untested pesticide and the incentives why a major corporation would REFUSE HUMAN STUDIES.
Hint – it isn’t “for the children.”
https://www.responsibletechnology.org/
Note that feeding the human “cattle” untested GMO pesticide “food” is also the work of Big Finance Capital.
So if you like being used, abused and mathematically and systematically impoverished with their fraudulent monetary system, you will love when your children and grand children are hurt by this untested toxic “food.”
“Food” that the [D]elites publicly avoid, BTW.
They have their non GMO seed banks and they eat organic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vUlToC4lxX8
https://www.courier-journal.com/article/20070502/DERBYFUN03/705021079/Food-fit-queen?nclick_check=1
https://templestream.xanga.com/759470927/gates-and-rockefeller-cafeterias-reject-monsanto-ge-foods/
Labeling GMO foods is a tangible win that can put Big Finance Capital back on their heels… This is the time to take action.
If you don’t, don’t complain when your children or grandchildren have their “family jewels” change in color form pink to dark blue like the rats in a GMO experiment (actual pictures shown in PDF below):
https://www.responsibletechnology.org/docs/145.pdf
https://www.responsibletechnology.org/health-risks
Or are sterilized and plagued with all kinds of cellular inflammation problems.
The point is that the criminals who created and operate the fraudulent, criminal societal asset stripping debt based monetary system ALSO RUN BIG AGRA, BIG BIO AND BIG CHEM.
The evidence is clear (limited studies, complete refusal to actually test products for human safety) that they’ve weaponized those subdivisions to their cartel as well – all to you detriment.
BTW, they also control Big Pharma – and its profits are maximized via your family’s sickness… their corporate mandate no – make you and yours covertly sick to MAXIMIZE PROFITS, no?
It’s happening… the only question a thoughtful person trained in intellectual self defense has to answer is… why is it happening?
The fallacy of waiting for a false authority to tell you a likely fake, self serving narrative is exactly why one needs to learn intellectual self defense via the Trivium education method… and logical fallacy training helps as well.
