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travelling_without_moving post=2136 wrote: [quote=ex VRWC post=2132]Central banks get a pass on their role.
Which is because neo-classical economic theory states that banks don’t exist / have no effect if I’m not mistaken…?
The main deflection of the “establishment” economic theory is that debt doesn’t matter because it always balances out with the economy as a whole.Which is true, but very disingenuous.
That’s like saying that a family of 5 eating Thanksgiving dinner is equivalent to Jeffrey Dahmer and 4 drugged out teens simply because both groups have 5 people in them.
OK, I did that for shock value – but there is truth there.
The reason they make this argument is because Debt Dollar Tyranny is ENGINEERED to take monetary wealth from society and concentrate it into the hands of the insider oligarchs (Dahmer), hence leaving society as whole in a paralyzed state of debt servitude (drugged out teens).
If they focused on debt… this systematic transfer of wealth might become obvious to some.
Note in this chart that debts and assets always balance out ont he whole, but that society is never able to pay off their debts to Big Finance Capital due to their Debt Dollar Tyranny Trojan Horse monetary system.
https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3325954/debt-dollar-tyranny-2-54k?tr=77
While the Dahmer minions keep hyping how great it is to have 5 people in the room like that Thanksgiving dinner family, Dahmer is sharpening his knife and getting ready to eat us.
Hi All,
Bernanke isn’t “trying to save the system at all costs.”
That’s a false paradigm according to the evidence and my analysis.
Every significant bubble ends in a significant bust. When you create the bubble, you KNOW the bust will follow.
When you throw the ball in the air, you KNOW it will come back down.
Bernanke isn’t an idiot, he just plays one for the people who haven’t figured out they are being robbed and Bernanke is simply the front man and fall guy for the criminals robbing and enslaving society.
Hyperinflation is very bad for the richest people on the planet who control the Federal Reserve through their ownership and control of the mega banks.
They own trillions in debt and trillions in cash.
People who think they are going to allow Bernanke to zero their wealth out and hand out homes to their enslaved debtors for the price of loaves of bread are simply do not understand the dynamics at play and the economic incentives at work.
Let me be clear. The people behind the Federal Reserve WANT TO ORCHESTRATE A BUST BECAUSE THAT’S HOW THEY TAKE POSSESSION OF THEIR SUBJECTS’ HOMES, BUSINESSES, LAND, ASSETS, VEHICLES, FARMS, ROADS, ENERGY COMPANIES, WATER COMPANIES, RAIN WATER, ETC…
Then, once they own almost everything, they will hyperinflate as it benefits them to “balance their books.”
The Debt Dollar Tyranny will have worked its “magic” and transformed the wealth of the people into the wealth of our authoritarian neo-feudal lords.
It’s soooooooo basic.
But a debt saturated society appears to be nearly incapable of accepting the obvious… perhaps because it is so painful to consider.
Duh – THAT’S EXACTLY WHY IT IS GONNA HAPPEN. Feudal lords don’t go through pain, serfs do.
Oh, an over population is their stated #1 concern… so if people right in a bust and kill each other off, that’s “double plus good!” from their standpoint.
AndrewP post=2139 wrote: This article is nonsense. The Central bank’s power to print money is unlimited. Infinite. Infinity always wins over countervailing forces that are finite. There is nothing to stop the Fed from buying up the entire remainder of Fannie and Freddie bonds. When they do QE4, they will buy mortgages, and this will goose the stock market even more. They can buy non-agency mortgage bonds after they have bought all agency debt. They can even buy stocks directly. The Fed will stop at nothing to prop up the stock market, because the whole house of cards is totally dependent on the stock market. The solvency of virtually all pensions, insurance companies, and banks depends on the stock market staying up. If stocks collapse, everything goes down with them, and the Fed knows this.
Andrew, it is critical to understand the game being played in order to make reasonable prediction about what actors in the game will do.
Let’s lay down some data to analyze:
1. The Federal Reserve is controlled by private mega banking interests, NOT the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QkmLnNEvdU
People like Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein sit on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve – and they won’t choose anyone for the head spot who will back stab their interests (basic Econ 101 self interest at play here).
2. The people who control the mega banks also control trillions in cash and debt via their various corporate fronts.
3. The mega banks, controlled by the very people who determine Federal Reserve policy going forward, are now making 30 year loans at about 4%.
Now, I know the Federal Reserve claims it works for the American people. Consider that an IQ test if you are informed… They lie. They don’t represent you. They are a banking oligarch predator Trojan Horse and you and I and the rest of America are the prey.
Would you lend 30 year money at 4% ahead of a hyperinflation? Why or why not?
Why would the people with the most to lose (who own the majority of the debt and debt receipt money) by hyperinflation operate a hyperinflation policy?
Why would they bail out debtors and zero out much of their own wealth after criminally enslaving everyone to debt in the first place?
This is standard economic analysis stuff here.
The logic that makes the most sense, given all the data, is that the insiders will convert their hoards of cash to real assets before hyperinflating.
That’s actually the stance of the folks here at TAE – that the system ultimately ends in hyperinflation, but AFTER a deflationary, societal asset stripping bust of epic proportions. One needs to survive the bust before they can even think about surviving the hyperinflation.
If they are going to create this depressionary bust to asset strip society before a hyperinflation, they would be best served by deceiving the prey that hyperinflation was imminent before pulling the plug. That way, they can sell out of the speculative bubbles created by hyperinflation fears at top dollar and maximize the cash they can use to buy everything up after they bust society.
Now, the arguments against this seem to come in two forms.
1. Bernanke is an intellectual idiot and all he knows how to do is print. All I can say is, believing a known liar and criminal at his word and ignoring economic incentives is a fool’s game. If Bernanke truly were an idiot, the banksters who put him in his position wouldn’t win at every opportunity, would they? Society wouldn’t be r*ped at every opportunity, would they? He’s a criminal front man, but he will never tell you this, so he plays the moron as he loots your family and community for all they are worth. Don’t expect people to catch on even after they are homeless and hungry. Many Chinese look fondly on Mao – and he murdered 60-80 million of them.
2. The government/mega banking duopoly is scared of America and will bail them out. They’ve abused us and looted us for 100 years, so I think they are pretty confident we aren’t smart enough to be able to resist their game plan even when people are told, point blank, exactly how it work out and why. People will attack each other when the Shock Doctrine is implemented. I have come to believe that the Architects of this system rather enjoy seeing the blood shed. Again, a fool’s bet, IMHO.
Corzine was really scared of America when he robbed $1.6 billion and lied under oath. JP Morgan was really scared when they ran Madoff’s Ponzi scheme and bribed Jefferson County AND KEPT THE LOOT.
Wachovia is really scared of the American people as they laundered $10-$378 billion in drug money… and their owners lobby to throw Americans into prison for using their product.
The government is really scared of Americans as they strip search our grandmothers and fondle our children right in front of our faces… knowing full well that al Qaeda’s leading operative dined at the Pentagon shortly after 911.
Like Fox News, the duopoly (Big Finance Capital perched up their captured government), they think Americans are sheep who will never figure out, en masse, the strategy being employed to criminally rob and enslave humanity…
As far as I can tell, they’ve made a very good bet.
But I don’t care about odds. I do the right thing, not because I think winning is certain or even likely, but because it is the right thing to do.
That is a concept that not very many people can grasp in the age of the narcissist.
The truth of the 4% mortgage is that the mega banks are literally DARING people to take on mortgages with the idea they will eventually bust out in the deflationary societal asset stripping bust for the ages and the banks will get the home and the money, too.
They’ll probably buy insurance and tax the homeless so they can get paid out.
Hi Ash,
this is off topic, but this is the last week (through April 15th) for people in CA to sign a petition to force Big Finance Capital Agra / Chemical to label genetically engineered pesticide “food.” For those that don’t know, the “food” is now the pesticide – and then you eat it. Or the food can be saturated with pesticide, like RoundUp Ready, and then you eat it. And so do our children.
Serious human studies? “Naw, no need, nobody has proven it is bad for humans because we don’t do the tests.” – Big Agra / Big Chem.
A quick note and link to
https://www.labelgmos.org/ (a link to find a sign up location can be found just below the front page’s main graphics)
and
https://www.responsibletechnology.org/health-risks
This is important and society can get a “win” against the financial oligarchs that treat society like a mad science experiment.
Thanks for the considerations.
Candace post=2102 wrote: BULLSHIT! I have never stated any such thing on any message board at any time in this Universe. There are WAY more than 100 people involved in this, hell that would not even cover all the heirs of Mayer Rothschild
Mea Culpa… That was Triv. Sorry.
Hi Candace, there is a difference between actual decisions makers at the decision table and people who are complicit in the decisions made by the decision makers. The decision makers are a small subset of the people “involved” in knowingly executing the decisions. Those who knowingly execute the decisions are a small subset of the people who respond to economic signals (paychecks) that are set up to further the decision makers’ agenda – and have no idea what is going on.
Is G. Edward Griffin wrong?
The Creature From Jekyll Island (by G. Edward Griffin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu_VqX6J93k
How many people does he cite as being involved in creating and forcing Debt Dollar tyranny down our throats – and guaranteeing our national bankruptcy?
Hi Ash,
My view, right or wrong, is that the economics exert tremendous control on the behaviour of people and the Debt Dollar Tyrants have, by far, the most power over economics because they’ve been asset stripping the whole of society for 100 years running.
Think of it this way. If I had control over every major corporation and and almost everyone in government whom I shower with wealth and positive media coverage, exactly who would be able to rise against me an beat me back when I *really* wanted something?
My observation is there is only one group – and that’s an angry populace that will kick the Big Finance Capital operatives out of office and mess up the continuity they seem to value. But even that is limited – what was it 999-1 against bailing out Big Finance Capital front banking companies?
BTW, I’m convinced that JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are controlled by the very same interests. Not that all those interests are 100% aligned on all issues, but they are aligned when it comes to shafting society right now.
Even when they get beat back, they’ll just repackage it. They couldn’t get carbon taxes passed in Congress, so Obama implements via the bureaucracy. The poor and middle class get soaked and GE, a corporate front for Big finance Capital (think curtain in Wizard of Oz), gets waivers so they they can buy up competitor assets for cheap and charge TOP DOLLAR since their competition has been regulated away.
This is the system.
There is more than one issue related to AGW… How significant is it and what to do about it are probably the two most important.
Regardless of the debate on the former (BTW, I’m undecided and nobody has been able to convince me one way or another and the head IPCC guy just came out and said “no significant warming” since 1996, but nobody pro folks want to discuss that fact), the “elites” (I hate that word, these people are psychopathic crooks) are 100%, absolutely trying to enrich themselves and impoverish everyone else with the “solution” they promote to no end.
So even if AGW is significant, there is still a conspiracy to rig the solution so that the insiders make billions and the poor and middle class get dramatically more poor.
I never hear anyone separating the issues – so the flow seems to go… I believe in AGW, everyone who doesn’t is a kook, therefore the system’s solution is good and I support it.
You can support AGW and not support the narrative solution that will stick a fork in us.
Re: RE.
My recommendation is to not take him personally. I don’t think he realizes that you might actually have feelings. 😉
I think he’s in “competition mode” – I think you said you played basketball in your podcast with TEE. Have you ever entered that hyper-competitive mode where you aren’t about to take something you perceive as crap from anyone and are much quicker to express an opinion (in the heat of battle, of course)?
I think RE’s in that mode… hyper-competitive mode.
I recommend just registering that in your head and keeping that in mind goign forward.
Having said that, I do think he has a point… once you start name calling a POV, you have essentially shut out that POV – even if it is right.
I’m not into the reptile thing, either. The hollow moon thing has me lost. But I still think Icke is well meaning and fighting on the right side of history – even if I disagree on the likelihood of something that sounds “out there.” I also think Icke can lay down evidence to support his view, but I don’t make the same leaps of logic as he does. I actually appreciate some of his other insight, just not the part related to reptiles and hollow moons. IMHO, he’s done a decent job of reverse engineering the system of economic and propaganda control.
Having said that, I think you are 100% wrong if you think the insiders aren’t leveraging AGW (significant or not, it doesn’t matter in this case) to game the system at the expense of everyone else.
I mentioned the $1 billion the inner party stole from the UK without eliminating any emissions at all. Oh, and the lost jobs to the society that has to pay the $1 billion so they could lose their jobs. Yeah – that’s a solution… to enrich the insider cronies at the expense of everyone else!
I’m convinced that’s EXACTLY what they are doing based on the evidence and the nature of the systems they are creating and selling… and we can stay out of the AGW debate (IMHO, it is incredibly complex) but still address how the insider psychopaths have latched onto the idea to screw over everyone else.
Who owns the carbon trading market systems? Who rigs the current stock and bond market? Who will rig the carbon trading systems? Who would enshrine monopolies by giving their corporate fronts carbon credits and keeping them from their competition? Who never complains about the #1 source of carbon emissions – never ending war with Pentagon lunch guests and Jewish grandchildren of ADL Directors?
I think Nicole has made a decisions to stay on message and avoid the conspiracy theories and conspiracy facts, but I do think she is well aware of conspiracies. Someone who says, “the system *is* corruption” knows all about conspiracy, even if she avoids engaging discussions of such.
That’s a good start to see what the inner party is trying to execute here.
Candace post=2068 wrote: Backwards,
I think you saw REs number below for being top of the food chain on a planetary scale. I remembered a different number. But I suspect it changes depending on what gets included in the calculation.
RE also stated that he suspects that no more than 100 or so are the players in control. I’ve been in comment sections where people then wanted to get down to specific names (Info Wars comes to mind, but so does Keiser). What is the next logical step to emancipate humanity once you have a list of names? Maybe it’s just to publicly out them, or maybe something more along the lines of the French revolution or the Khmer Rouge. Of course after things got “rolling” so to speak, the list of names got longer, because getting rid of people on the list didn’t actually solve the problem.
In my view the problem is our complicity and ignorance. The people who have tried to end complicity and ignorance only seem to get so far before the message gets co-opted into something that perpetuates complicity and ignorance.
I’m glad you, Triv, RE, and Ben have got the answer and will be able to fix the human race. Sincerely. I hope it happens. From where I’m sitting things are looking quite bleak.
Candace
Candace, it is bleak from my vantage point, too. But is bleak because we consent.
Buy local. Pay cash. Dis-corporate (avoid big corporations). Distrust the media and never vote for a media promoted candidate. The media is controlled. Build community. Get GMO labelled (petition is out in CA – sign it). Grow your own food. Get fluoride out of the water. Promote a healthy diet. Embrace freedom and differences in people around you – so long as the heart is good. Get educated and educate people.
BTW, I think people have a difficult time with the control mental construct.
Systems are created and put into place by a group I’ll call The Architects.
Once the system is in place, it takes on a life of its own.
Step 1: Debt Dollar Tyranny transfers monetary wealth primarily to the The Architect Class and their interests (which is why they set the system up – Econ 101, people… self interest!)
Step 2: “Capitalist” overlay (it isn’t capitalism with Debt Dollar Tyranny in play – not even close – but they lie to deceive everyone) ensures that the people with the most money will tend to have their way as everyone else in society scrambles for monetary wealth to survive.
The Architects are the ultimate controllers and they set up a system that would incentivize everyone else to pursue their agenda over the long term – think boiling frog slowly so he doesn’t jump out analogy.
I can’t imagine that the Architects group consists of very many people.
Superclass posits that about 6,000 people working under The Architects essentially manage the world for them… but he disavows that 6,000 people secretly running the world is a “conspiracy.”
You make up your own mind.
Golden Oxen post=2063 wrote: @ TheTrivium4TW For a harmless metal that evolved to become money to many, you sure give it a lot more powers than I ever imagined it had. Possible reason for the Revolutionary War was quite a revelation, thanks. Due to your unique input I can now better understand why the alien reptiles allowed the Egyptians to discover it in order for the TPTB group of hybrids to maintain control of colony earth. I just threw the tiny amount I own in the waste basket and washed my hands of it for good. Thanks again for the amazing revelations, I had no idea.
Ad Hominem, Straw Man, False Dichotomy, Non Sequitur
Clearly, you have an agenda that precludes new data points or logic.
However, I’d like to be clear since you completely misrepresented my positions.
1. I do not believe in alien reptiles. That is David Icke and others. I made clear that I do not understand that point of view. Please stop inferring lies about my belief system.
2. I never said gold was bad or ought to be thrown in the garbage can. If you do so, you are as ignorant about asset value as you are about avoiding logical fallacies (I don’t think you are deceptive, I think you just have no idea what you are doing and how it exposes you to manipulation).
I love the fact you have an opinion that can differ from mine (freedom is great!), but there is no benefit discussing ideas, data, logic with someone who has no interest.
The irony here is that you misrepresent me as some kind of know it all, but it is you who is unable to consider any other data or logic. I provide data and sources for analysis, you provide false claims and inferences.
Top 20 Logical Fallacies
https://www.theskepticsguide.org/resources/logicalfallacies.aspxI actually value arguments from people who can reasonably and logically test my hypothesises the most… People who agree with me off the bat will never elevate my understanding of reality.
That’s a word to the wise.
sensato post=2060 wrote: “And after perhaps a 1000 words of hemming and hawing about various interpretations of that question and what would be needed to answer it, in terms of actual measuring instruments, the authors—220 authors from 62 countries—concluded:”
So let’s just cherry pick a phrase that seems to damage IPCC credibility out of the full context of their reply.
“You KNOW all the experts have been telling us we’re doomed unless we go back to the forests and start eating roots and tubers.”
And let’s add a final nail to the IPCC coffin with a lie.
Actually, the phrase was used PRECISELY in context. it was intended to mean EXACTLY what it was portrayed to mean.
Shed the emotions and feelings and accept the data points.
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
* Data for vital ‘hockey stick graph’ has gone missing
* There has been no global warming since 1995
* Warming periods have happened before – but NOT due to man-made changesThe Great Global Warming Swindle – Documentary Film
Bill Gates Admits Vaccines Are Used for Human Depopulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WQtRI7A064
What, exactly, do you think that ZERO CO2 emissions per human actually means?
I suggest you inform yourself so that you can actually cite sources when you try and make an argument instead of creating false arguments out of whole cloth.
CO2 is energy. CO2 is industrialization. Africa is in the state it is in because it isn’t allowed to “emit more CO2.”
Bill Gates is WAY UP on the inner party list… He’s shilling the party line.
De-industrialization for the West (but not criticizing slave labor in China or the incredible pollution that Big Industry leverage for profits over thee) and eventual immense poverty.
Perhaps some will actually have to go to the forest (after oligarchs steal your homes) and eat roots and tubers before they realize the agenda. Others actually pay attention to what the system actually sells.
Armed Troops Burn Down Homes, Kill Children To Evict Ugandans In Name Of Global Warming
Pay attention. If you think a data point is wrong… debate it… with sources.
But writing off a point of view after making no effort to understand where it is coming from is how people get manipulated into empowering criminals to loot everyone blind.
Jack post=2062 wrote: Hi Folks!
I asked this question yesterday and there was no answer and I think it is important because everyone is interested in the timing of the way all this will unfold.
I know that the answer is not easy to find but I think some people are able to do it .
Hedge funds for example are smart enough to take a calculated guesses and they get this right some timesWould it be tied to the interest rates or the price of oil or what.
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What would be the signs to look for to guess when Japan will go belly up
=================Hi Jack,
People make bets all the time… some have to be right… just because they can’t all be wrong. It doesn’t necessarily mean anyone is “smart.” Sometimes luck is what matters most.
The insiders make money almost daily because they trade on insider information and market manipulation techniques all day long.
Nobody outside the “inner party” can predict the timing when the insiders can change the rules at will.
However, I think there will likely be warning before the big collapse – and I think that warning will come from the price of derivatives. when they start to skyrocket – look out.
As I said before, the media is propaganda and is usually very positive when the inner party desires a strong market. The media turns negative when the inner party wants the market to drop.
I’ve noticed a change in media where they are now pumping the negative. That means I wouldn’t be surprised if the down leg starts in the short term, but I can’t be sure. It is speculation.
Reverse Engineer post=2055 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=2052]Insofar as the “scientific community” is concerned though, its about 99% considered a Done Deal, climate change is Anthropogenic and a result of icreased Carbon Emissions from Fossil Fuels. If you deviate from that viewpoint, you are considered a “Crackpot” and you get ridiculed for it.
My 3rd grade teacher taught me not to care one iota about what anyone says and to only care about what THEY CAN PROVE.
Fluoride in the drinking supplies is also “consensus” stuff, but the science exposes their hoax (hint, Ash, that’s why data is hidden or “lost”). The most basic level of common sense would reveal that you do a randomized, double blind placebo study to prove efficacy BEFORE FILTERING TOXIC WASTE NEURO-TOXINS THROUGH INFANTS.
Even if you were convinced an implementation delay would be too costly, YOU’D STILL DO THE TESTS CONCURRENT TO THE IMPLEMENTATION SO THE DATA WOULD BE AVAILABLE ASAP.
THE ONLY REASON NOT TO DO THE GOLD STANDARD OF SCIENCE IS TO *HIDE THE RESULTS*.
The only reason to HIDE THE DATA is to HIDE THE DATA AND LOGIC FROM SCRUTINY.
The Trivium method just screams HOAX ALERT!
Except when you are a psychopath with government and media control and have an agenda that includes maximizing profits (selling toxic waste instead of storing it) and benefit from chemically lobotomizing the population in a slow, undetectable manner.
So MASSIVE appeal to Authority frauds are more frequent than people believe. MASSIVE media hoaxes are also more prevalent than people would every imagine.
I don’t buy the corporate narrative that 99% of qualified scientists believe AGW has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
The Great Global Warming Swindle – Documentary Film
There is no doubt that the oligarchs are pumping up climate change and their pre-packaged carbon tax “solution.”
People don’t understand the strategy of the elites so they can’t deconstruct their true agenda behind the thin legitimate veneer they use as propaganda to trick people into something that will hurt them badly.
The oligarchs HATE competition. Carbon credits will be given to the oligarch multi-nationals so their cost structure won’t go up as the economy collapses.
Their competition, of course will have to pay carbon taxes from the ground up – a VERY UNFAIR.
The system is ENGINEERED to be gamed. One guy in England closed a steel mill, cut jobs, collected a free $1 billion from tax payers and global pollution remains the same because they moved the operation to India – they had less stringent pollution requirements.
https://www.climategate.com/stealing-steel-jobs
“If you don’t get the picture I’ll explain it.
A UK steel plant closes and the workers lose their jobs. The company receives a billion pounds and the same factory is built in India producing the same CO2.
Whoever worked that out is insane.”
No, they were criminal insiders that took advantage of a gullible set of subjects who have no idea what strategy is being employed to enrich the criminal insiders and bury everyone else in inextinguishable debt.
Again, the man at the center of the AGW claim says no statistical significant warming has occurred since 1996 to present… 15 years of more human CO2 emissions than in all of human history.
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
* Data for vital ‘hockey stick graph’ has gone missing
* There has been no global warming since 1995
* Warming periods have happened before – but NOT due to man-made changesDuring times of universal deceipt, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.
~Eric Blair (George Orwell)Now, does this prove that all AGW is a hoax? No. The system is too complex. We’d have to run too identical systems side by side – one with CO2 from humans and one without CO2 and compare the temperatures.
The hoax is that the oligarchs are selling, with billions upon billions upon billions upon billions of fraudulently Debt Dollar Tyranny cash, the idea they know the problem (never providing data – it was “lost” and can’t be reviewed in some cases) and that their solutions which further enriches themselves and impoverishes and kills off everyone else.
Vice-Chairman of Rothschild: “Carbon trading must be globally regulated”
https://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14294World government requires world problems.
Blood And Gore – The Nickname For Al Gore’s Carbon Trading Firm That Is Poised To Make Billions Of Dollars From Carbon Credits
The social engineers are masters at convincing people they know something when they don’t know it. My police officer friend called me a “kook” when I said that 9/11 didn’t occur as the authorities said it did.
I asked him if he had investigated it. He said, “No.”
So, someone who was positive I was a “kook” for my well researched and supported opinion HAD DONE ABSOLUTELY NO RESEARCH TO DETERMINE THE TRUTH HIMSELF.
And he’s a police officer – where the truth matters, no?
We have to stop being chumps.
We have to consent for the con to work.
ashvin post=1978 wrote: You may generally be right, Andrew P, and if recent history is predictive, then you most likely are. I think timing will be a very important factor in this whole Euro drama, and I think that’s at least one factor that is NOT totally or even significantly within the control of the Eurocrats and their financial masters. The global financial system is well past its tipping point, and issues of financial contagion seem to be popping up much faster than the Eurocrats would prefer, while also having unanticipated financial and sociopolitical effects. I don’t think we should over-estimate just how big their window of opportunity will be when the time of “maximum crisis” arrives.
Hi Ash,
These criminals have their eyes on financial data in real time. They know when the natural collapse draws nigh… and they will pull off an event, the straw that broke the camel’s back, as it were, to correlate with the collapse of their Ponzi Debt Dollar Tyranny system and the media will report that the correlation was causation.
My odds on favorite right now is for the war mongering, murderous oligarchs to attack Iran and make sure the Straight of Hormuz is blown up by Iran or blown up by oligarch black ops and blamed on Iran.
That, of course, is speculation – but that would actually play quite well into their hands. The average sheeple would blame Iran for the economic collapse that “the maestro” Bernanke had so skillfully turned into a “recovery.”
Again, there is no grand conspiracy where everyone has to know the plot. Just the system architects and a tight knit inner party know the plot and that includes systematically transferring wealth to the Architect and inner party corporate / government fronts so that their employees unknowingly execute the plan for a much needed pay check.
StuVic1 post=1900 wrote: Mheyman, you have hit the perverbial nail on it’s head!!! What the USA is going through right now and has been for the past 4 years is what much of Europe (and the world) has been going through. Unfortunately for the USA it has vastly been done in a code of silence. The FED has been the manipulator and not the government as they are the “Man behind the curtain” in all of this. Pulling the levers and dictating the winners and losers (or trying to but failing miserably). The press is complicit in all of this white washing it under the table for nobody to see. The white house equally failing to expose the truth and in many instances in my opinion adding more lies on top of the existing lies being told. A total manipulation (I.E. SCAM) of the disengaged public. Add to this the truly remarkable belief by this administration and most of it’s cronies that they are actually doing GOD’s work and there you have it… the reason for 95% of the countries problems!!
We need TRUE TRANSPARENCY, TRUTH, and ETHICS back in Washington and that cannot come soon enough. I will state right now however that just changing the “D” to a “R” won’t get it done. We need the RIGHT “R” or “D” who is in it for the country and not for themselves…
NO AGENDA = QUALIFIED CANDIDATE!!!
“We say in our platform that we believe that the right to coin money and issue money is a function of government. We believe it. We believe it is a part of sovereignty….
“Those who are opposed to this proposition tell us that the issue of paper money is a function of the bank and that the government ought to go out of the banking business. I stand with Jefferson rather than with them, and tell them, as he did, that the issue of money is a function of the government and that the banks should go out of the governing business.
“When we have restored the money of the Constitution, all other necessary reforms will be possible, and that until that is done there is no reform that can be accomplished.”
~William Jennings BryanReverse Engineer post=2050 wrote: It could be a popular platform amongst the 10% who get to Live of course.
Dead panned Reverse Engineer. 😉
I don’t know how many people the Earth can sustain if people lived sustainable lifestyles.
But I will agree that our current life style organization won’t support the current population based upon what is to come in the not too distant future (<100 years for sure - and that ain't long!).
Reverse Engineer post=2047 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=2040]
Did I miss a specific link? If so, would you be so kind to post again?
TIA…
https://www.doomsteaddiner.org/blog/2012/04/02/geotectonic-ocean-heat-transfer-theory/
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[edit – I read through most of your article and I think you bring up some interesting points worthy of more thorough investigation. The complexity of the system as a whole is simply immense]Something to ponder as well…
UN ADMITS IT HAS NO CLUE ON CLIMATE!
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/un-admits-it-has-no-clue-on-climate/Question 3.1 asks: Is the Climate Becoming More Extreme?
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“…NONE OF THE ABOVE INSTRUMENTS HAS YET BEEN DEVELOPED SUFFICIENTLY AS TO ALLOW US TO CONFIDENTLY ANSWER THE QUESTION POSED HERE.”Pause.
See, this is called cognitive dissonance.
Rappoport’s summation…
“We, who are in charge of your destiny because we have the money and the power and the force to back it up, don’t know what hell we’re doing when it comes to global warming. But we don’t need to know. All we have to do is tell the manmade warming story and keep telling it. We have the requisite number of media androids and sold-out scum journalists to make that happen. And on that basis and that basis alone, we will tax carbon and reduce industry and destroy populations in order to save the world. And you will go along with it, mainly because you’re too stupid to see through the story. Are we clear?”
The monetary system is a hoax.
Fluoride in the water is a hoax.
The flu shot is a hoax.
Much of vaccine non-science is a hoax.
The food pyramid is a hoax.
The IRS is a hoax.
The Federal Reserve is a hoax.
The FDA is a hoax.
The EPA is a hoax.
The CIA is a hoax.
The FBI is a hoax.
The benevolent big government is a hoax.
The drug war is a hoax.
The size of the terror threat is a hoax.
Pharmacology is mostly a hoax.
GMO food safety is a hoax.
The Vietnam War was an Operation Northwoods hoax.
The denial of nutrition as key to health is hoax.
It is naive beyond words to think that major hoaxes can’t be played out in the public sphere on a grand scale – it happens ALL THE TIME!
*Note – “hoax” does not imply that no good is done. Hoax implies that the popular narrative that surrounds and issue is significantly false.
For example, the CIA works for Big Finance Capital and runs the narcotics on their rendition planes and helps to launder the drug money through their mega bank controllers.
Yes, some CIA operatives might make a good bust when they aren’t grilling governors to tell their masters how an outsider like Jesse Ventura could win a Governor election…
Jesse Ventura Gets A Visit From The CIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K30siX8-9sU&feature=relatedGovernor Ventura confronted by the CIA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7uLA2p2IZEBig Finance Capital wants to protect their assets FROM the American people and that is what the CIA, ultimately, is out to help the accomplish.
Even if the lower level compartmentalized agents have no clue.
BTW, I know the above sounds crazy… but that’s simply because it is crazy. The messenger gets the arrows, but Einstein was right on when he said…
“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”
~Albert EinsteinI would encourage people to get studying on the issues that interest them… and I won’t hide my data and logic behind some kind of fabricated veil.
Reverse Engineer post=2049 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=2048]
Surely, nobody is arguing that the Soviets made their dictatorship one where the people “rather enjoyed their servitude,” but that is EXACTLY what I observe in the Western world at the hands of the scientific, technocrat “soft but hardening” oligarchical dictatorship.
Really? You think all the folks currently rioting in Spain and Italy are enjoying their servitude? Maybe the ones who are still employed are sorta enjoying it, but not even most of them because they can’t meet their bills or increasing taxes. About the only people really enjoying it are the 1% running the show buying $5000/night Hookers and aeatig Canapes in the Hamptons.
Far as desiger drugs go, so far they don’t seem to have invented one that keeps a society docile when they don’t have any work to do and can’t feed their children.
Huxley’s Brave New World only works if there is plenty of Oil to waste. Oil too expensive, that particular vision of dystopia is History. Mad Max on the other hand is a real possiility here.
RE
RE, Thanks for the clarification. You are correct, IMHO. “Loving one’s servitude” only works up until Debt Dollar Tyranny begins the final phase of asset stripping.America and Europe have been enslaved for a long time and, in general loved it. In America, they still argue for their enslavement in far more cases than not. But that, too, will change when the Debt Dollar Tyranny “jig is up.”
While “loving one’s servitude” had a nice long run, it ultimately isn’t sustainable.
As you well know, it is no accident that civil liberties have been recently extinguished.
Or that the militarized police state is being unleashed upon the populace now.
ben post=2041 wrote:
“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.”
~Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961the following year, as you probably know, Triv, he expanded on this idea in his The Ultimate Revolution speech at Berkeley. i posted about this at TAE last year: my favorite part is in the q&a session when a lady named lillian asks a question. up until this point the great aldous huxley has been talking about the ultimate/final revolution in the context of technological dictatorships and with his eye clearly on the soviet union. then lillian suggests something that to my ear has perhaps never crossed huxley’s mind. it starts at 4m42s:
Hi Ben, Huxley’s speeches are interesting material that everyone ought to ponder.
I’m not convinced that he had an eye on the Soviet Union at all, although, I’d need to listen carefully one more time to be sure that this is a fair opinion.
It seems to me that he was articulating a future takeover of society – not one that had occurred as of yet.
Surely, nobody is arguing that the Soviets made their dictatorship one where the people “rather enjoyed their servitude,” but that is EXACTLY what I observe in the Western world at the hands of the scientific, technocrat “soft but hardening” oligarchical dictatorship.
In short, I think he was telling society what his elite buddies had planned for us – remember, his brother was in big with the Rockefeller, Big Finance Capital controlled “United Nations.”
Reverse Engineer post=2033 wrote:
As I said to Candace over in the other thread, Lighten up!
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On other topics, what did you thik of my data on Climate Change?REI think we could all take your advice to Candace. 😉
Did I miss a specific link? If so, would you be so kind to post again?
TIA…
backwardsevolution post=2038 wrote: Candace – first of all, nobody is talking about “doing away” with anyone. I’d never be part of that, and I don’t know where you got that from.
Secondly (and correct me if I’m wrong), but 35K does not put you even close to the top 1%. Add another zero. It is the 0.01% who really make the money.
I’m not against anyone making money (I’ve done so). I’m against fraud, corruption, opacity, changing rules when it suits them, offloading bad assets onto the backs of taxpayers, artificially suppressing interest rates, propping up assets, etc. Then they have the audacity to speak of the “free market”.
Most of your Congress is bought and paid for.
$35k puts on in the top 4.62% of the world’s population by wealth per…
https://www.globalrichlist.com/
It says $47,500 is the divider line between the top 1% and the bottom 99%.
The baddest actors, by far, are the system architects the engineered the likes of the “profit making psychopath” corporate structure and Debt Dollar Tyranny.
I wouldn’t be surprised if less than 100 people had control influence over these systemic structures.
ashvin post=1995 wrote: Beyond that, I don’t think we can say that every single person involved knows exactly what he/she is doing or is a part of. A small minority of coordinated Eurocratic elites need the active complicity/support and ignorance of a much broader network of politicians, bureaucrats, officials, civil servants, private investors, etc. These are the people who could do well for themselves and for others by adopting completely different perspectives at multiple scales, because they will eventually be screwed over just as badly as everyone else by the policies they are helping to implement.
Agree 100%.
Apparently, they believe the lie they will be taken care of by the Debt Dollar Tyrants and their underlings.
backwardsevolution post=2007 wrote: Candace – “Perhaps he would say ” they were resuscitated and currently greatly influence political events. “
“Influence” is way too mild a word, like saying a punch is a slap, a slap is a wink. They had a windfall in their engineered boom, and they’re busy engineering now. To “engineer” is to exert some control over/to steer, because you are manufacturing.
No, there’s more than just influence going on.
Absolutely!
Influence doesn’t get 7,700 tons of heroin shipped from financial oligarch controlled Afghanistan… control gets it done.
Not just once, but year after year after year.
Influence isn’t helping Corzine or keeps criminal prosecuations from occurring at Wachovia due to $10s of billions in drug cartel plane running and money laundering.
Or JP Morgan running Bernie Madoff’s Ponzi Scheme and preventing prosecution when they bribe county officials and “competitors.”
That’s C-O-N-T-R-O-L.
Not God like control where everyone knows. But enough systemic control to achieve their main objectives like controlling the world’s drug supply and keeping their major criminal fronts from prosecution.
Oh, I forgot the two biggest accomplishments…
1. Keeping Debt Dollar Tyranny out of the public consciousness and off the media and out of the education system for 100 years running… and demonizing anyone who told the truth about it.
2. Covering up for the criminal bubble that will lead to the criminal bust – dead ahead.https://www.keepandshare.com/doc/3324744/wmdebt-graph-3-79k?tr=77
And yes, this is a conspiracy you can prove for yourself. Verify Section 2A of the Federal Reserve Act and call your local media to explain how the Federal Reserve criminally broke the Section 2A of the law and that they’ve lied about it for 25 years running (the mandate is singular, not dual!)… the biggest story in the world… the Fed criminally blows the worlds biggest bubble that will invariably lead to the world’s biggest but…
AND NOBODY WILL TOUCH IT.
But you might get your name added to a list.
That’s C-O-N-T-R-O-L.
Joe Banister, a former IRS insider, learned all about C-O-N-T-R-O-L… the Feds trumped up charges against Banister because he knew the truth about the fraud that is the IRS.
Gravity post=2013 wrote: I’d gladly denounce criminal oligarchs for their deeds when no further blame can be allocated to my person. I find it helpful to remember that clustered sociopathy and associated subgroups of bankers, financiers and politicians, comprising less than 1% of the population, are directly responsible for 15%-20% of all our problems, but probably no more than that.
Nothing unreal exists in a gravitational field,
whereas unreal things may exist in an electrodynamic field.Hi Gravity,
I think Debt Dollar tyranny’s 100% guaranteed national bankruptcy is well north of 15-20% of our problems.
In fact, when it occurs, as it must with 100% certainty (unless the system is radically changes, but they won’t let that happen without a brutal fight), people will think it is near 100% of their problems.
Having said that, there is some “baby” in the idea that you are expressing and it should not get thrown out.
The most frustrating thing to me is that the crimes inflicted, with full knowledge and forethought, still required the *complicity* of the population to work effectively.
Granted, it was a chemically hit, miseducated, pharmacologically manipulated, propaganda saturated populace.
The social engineers know how to appeal to society’s narcissism and we eventually fall right into the same trap every single time.
So, yeah, we have to consent to being tricked and brutalized, but that brutalization will eventually be all most people can think about. We aren’t there yet, but that’s just like a bullet in mid flight just before it hits its intended target right between the eyes.
Candace post=2025 wrote: We still have congress members caught and prosecuted for accepting bribes. To me that says influence not control.
CandaceCongress members are servants to the oligarch financial class.
I don’t think anyone is suggesting these people have God-like powers and control.
But they do have the power to set up systems that produce certain results over wide areas and longer time frames.
The real bad folks are what I refer to as “The Architect Class.”
Who played architect to this criminal system? Not the 1%. They are just successful in it. Maybe the 0.01% or less. Maybe 0.001% – and many of them benefit as “family and friends” with no real power to create systems that impact us all.
Demonic systems. Not the horned “demon,” but the “demon” that destroys you and your community without you even knowing it is there.
Golden Oxen post=2002 wrote: @ TheTrivium4TW They lost control of the gold market nearly half a century ago when Nixon gave the finger to the French. If you prefer bankster created credit and fiat that is certainly your choice. Some like myself, long for a return to the sound, honest money of integrity. Your accusation of Von Mises being a promoted stooge of the Rockefeller Foundation is absurd. Do you place Hayek, Menger, Rothbard, in the same camp?
Hi Golden,
I do not prefer Debt Dollar Tyranny. Your logical fallacy of choice is called False Dilemma.
There is a reason logical fallacy is so dangerous – it leads to false conclusions.
You also used a Straw Man logical fallacy when you claimed I think Mises was a “stooge.”
I never said that. I suggest you go back and read what I actually said.
BTW, I DO NOT think Mises was a stooge of the Rockefellers, which is why I didn’t say that.
I do understand he had no problem moving to America and taking Rockefeller Foundation cash.
Again, you should focus on the meat of what I actually said… it isn’t what backs the currency it is WHO controls its quantity.
The idea that leaving cold, hard criminals in charge and backing money with gold is a great idea… to the Central Bankster criminals.
World Bank chief calls for new gold standard
https://articles.marketwatch.com/2010-11-07/economy/30806200_1_new-gold-world-bank-robert-zoellick
The social engineers are masters of correlation posing as causation. If I were them, I’d orchestrate a crisis that would essential trigger and correlate the collapse of the system. The average sheeple would think the correlation was actually causation as the media would sell this to no end.
The solution may well be a “hard” gold backed currency… which will then usher in the societal asset stripping deflationary bust the bankster want in order to turn their wealth into ownership of everyone else’s stuff.
I don’t care how much gold you think you have, it probably isn’t enough to last long when you have to give it up and their is no real way to earn more. Even if you do, 95% of society won’t… and I’m no narcissist, so I care about the other 95%, too.
I’m not trying to “insult your girlfriend,” as it were – really.
I’m trying to discuss data points.
How many asset stripping periods were there under a gold backed currency?
Did you know that Benjamin Franklin thought the root cause of the Revolutionary War was King George demanding a gold backed currency?
Yes, TPTB stripped that little nugget out of the history books – you aren’t supposed to know it. It was all about the price of tea… that’s the “establishment’s” narrative…
How Benjamin Franklin Made New England Prosperous
https://21stcenturycicero.wordpress.com/fraud/how-benjamin-franklin-made-new-england-prosperous/
Again…
As Thomas Edison told the New York times, “Gold and money are separate things, gold is the trick mechanism by which you can control money. That is the root of all evil.”
Go ahead and demand that the banksters install what Edison said was a “trick mechanism” and “root of all evil.”
It is such because only very few, incorrigibly criminal and corrupt people control the vast majority of the god and, under a gold standard, “they who have the most gold rules.”
And don’t think your gold makes you safe. TPTB can now kill you and your family and take your “gold money” for themselves – and they don’t need any evidence, just the “nod” from their financed and promoted “dictator puppet.”
No standard will work until citizens wake up and kick out the criminals parasites at the top. A gold standard didn’t stop the Great Depression nor the myriad of depression before that time.
Consider dropping the “fallacy” and zero in on the “logical.”
Reverse Engineer post=2021 wrote: [quote=JoeP post=2012]Jack,
In case you haven’t noticed there have been several “moments of friction” here recently between Ash and…well, there’s El G, Ben, and RE…am I missing someone? Of course this is TAE and Ash is always right …and the people I mentioned just must be “misunderstanding” what he is saying – but he clearly understands everything they are saying.
Joe, perhaps you missed the “Why I stopped reading TAE” thread by VSA, with a comment from PG 🙂
https://theautomaticearth.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=19&id=1943&Itemid=96
Granpa I believe also has expressed some dissatisfaction. Ash hasn’t responded to all of these comments of course, but the criticism is definitely still there whether he will recognize it or not.
I don’t know if there is a Polling Widget here on TAE as of yet, but I will volunteer my Polling Widget on DD for all of you TAE readers to Vote Anonymously on Ashvin’s Popularity as Big Cheese on TAE :-D. I’ll update this post as soon as I get the Poll set up 🙂 LOL.
RE
Hi RE,I’m surprised you have so little respect for I&S’ call to allow Ash to run the forum while they are gone.
While I get that Ash’s “academic” style and prose won’t sit well with people outside of the “academia mindset,” that’s Ash.
We value freedom – and that means we appreciate differences.
Tyrants want everyone like themselves.
I’ll call out Ash’ thought process when I think there is an issue, but I think personalizing the debate and attempting to collect data in order to reflect negatively on someone is a bit over the top, no?
I doubt Ash is making a killing here and I appreciate him running the website with and for S&I…
Ash, for all his talents and all his faults (we all have both), is on the right side of history here… he’s on the right team and I’m proud to have him in my bunker and I appreciate his efforts.
I vote NO for any kind of poll that subverts Ash’s input here. He’s doing fine and we all can “smooth out the edges” as we resist this covert, scientific tyranny that is enveloping us all.
I also appreciate the birdman, too…
Where and why did The Big El G “fly the coop?”
We really, really need to thicken the skin and all stand together. Look to “content of character” and overlook faults. Sure, point them out, but in a kind manner, not a subversive manner.
Jack post=2016 wrote: Damon Vrabel has removed some of his videos that were very good.
Could it be that the bankers see him as a threatJack, they are back up…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_yh4-Zi92Q
I miss Vrabel – he’s an incredible asset.
I’m not sure what caused him to tune out of the Resistance, for now at least, but I think a solid helping of public apathy was a strong contributing factor.
IMHO, resistance is victory – even if nobody listens to me.
When the this whole cesspool of corruption comes crashing down and squishes me, I want to know that I put in the effort to prevent it and, if everyone did what I did, the results would have been somewhat different.
ashvin post=2008 wrote: If you can make a argument for abiotic oil, then go ahead and make it. We’ll make up our own minds about whether it’s “good” or not.
Hi Ash, isn’t it very inconsistent to avoid posting AGW (but posting a link to a discussion) and then request abiotic oil data and logic?
Why is abiotic oil on limits but a request for AGW data off limits?
If I’m applying the Trivium, it looks like you are trying to build a Straw Man argument by 1. Avoiding presenting the underlying AGW data (or link, just like that pretty discussion link that was so easy to put in your post), 2. Linking AGW “hogwash” to abiotic oil “hogwash”(which nobody else brought up) and 3. Diverting the discussion away from AGW (sans data) to abiotic oil and requests for abiotic oil data.
Again, this post is about the Trivium and logical fallacy application, not so much about that topic that shan’t be discussed here…
I see a gap in your logic here, Ash. Not that you are necessarily wrong, mind you.
FWIW… my 3rd grade teacher would fail you AGW analysis because you refuse to show your work.
Even if you are 100% right, she’d still fail you.
ashvin post=2008 wrote: RE,while I was actively engaging them and stating my personal and informed opinions about why they were misleading and inaccurate.
That’s not entirely true, Ash.
IN at least one case, you demand that we *trust* you, employing Appeal to Authority logical fallacy.
You may or may not be the most informed person on the planet, but nobody who is aware of Appeal to Authority logical arguments will or should just “trust you.”
Trusting authorities is exactly how we got ourselves in this mess. I could forward people to umpteen threads about why the current financial system isn’t a societal asset stripping mechanism, but what I can’t do is show the underlying data and logic of the system in way that is understandable without exposing the societal asset stripping nature of the financial system.
Oh, and I’m absolutely sure some of the people actually believe the current system is legitimate and that they can’t be wrong. Some of those even ridicule guys like you and I that question the system… you know “paranoid conspiracy theorists” and all.
This post isn’t about that taboo subject here, but it is about your perception not being quite up to reality. Close, but not quite there – and that’s the issue that I think RE is, rather irreverently, trying to point out.
I do think people are being too hard on you, though. However, there is some truth to what is being said, IMHO. It’s all about baby with the bath water, but that would take some self reflection – something we all ought to do more, myself included.
I will point out that one method the social engineers love to employ is to get people to mock another point of view without having done their Trivium homework themselves. Once you can get someone to laugh at another idea or call another group “kooks” or their ideas “hogwash,” the average person is locked into that view NO MATTER WHAT THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE TURNS OUT TO BE.
Let me give you a concrete, real world example.
I know a retired physician whom I greatly respect and who was at the top of his field. He taught that fluoridated water was essentially “mother’s milk” for teeth.
I approached him with the fact the EPA scientist union opposes water fluoridation and pointed out that Big Finance Capital industry has resisted performing a randomized, double blind placebo study to show ingesting fluoride
WHY EPA HEADQUARTERS UNION OF SCIENTISTS OPPOSES FLUORIDATION
https://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
When presented with this data, this retired physician retorted, “you assume I haven’t done my research.”
I replied simply, “Good, I’d love to see your research. Email it to me.”
I asked 5 times for the actual data that resulted in his opinion and he’s ignored every single request.
Science, data, logic, reasonable, rational debate… have nothing to do with it any more… he ridiculed the opposition and there is no way on God’s green Earth that he’s going to admit he was duped for his entire career because he fell for the Appeal to Authority logical fallacy – hook line and sinker.
Even if it means he promotes filtering untested for efficacy toxic waste through himself and his grandchildren.
The social engineers “got” him right where they want him… “rather enjoying his servitude” to the system…
I never want to claim a strong opinion and refuse to present the data that I used to reach my conclusions PRECISELY because I have no business with a strong conclusion absent the data.
“There will be, in the next generation or so, a pharmacological method of making people love their servitude, and producing dictatorship without tears, so to speak, producing a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies, so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away from them, but will rather enjoy it, because they will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing, or brainwashing enhanced by pharmacological methods. And this seems to be the final revolution.”
~Aldous Huxley, Tavistock Group, California Medical School, 1961ashvin post=1974 wrote: [quote=TheTrivium4TW post=1963]Can you provide me with the data that you reviewed to conclude that humans have a significant direct impact on the temperature of the planet. In addition, please provide the logic you applied to the underlying data.
I can, but I won’t.
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What I will do is direct you to this comprehensive and informative thread on Chris Martenson’s site that I have been following for quite some time. It was started by a guy named Mark Cochrane, who is self-described as a “research scientist and professor with an environmental engineering degree from MIT and a doctorate in ecology from Penn State”. There is plenty of data, analysis, discussion, debate, etc. from both sides of the argument contained within this thread.
https://www.chrismartenson.com/forum/definitive-global-climate-change-aka-global-warming-thread-general-discussion-and-questions/71?page=0#comments
Hi Ash, This will be my last post on the topic since it really doesn’t fit here. I didn’t bring it up until you mocked one side as absurd… so I asked for data that I could evaluate.You refuse to provide said data, but gladly provide a discussion of something nobody can have a valid opinion on unless they can produce the data.
I must say, I’m impressed how quickly the scientific method just got tossed out the window. 😉
I don’t care what anyone’s opinion is, right or wrong, I want to see the actual data.
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
the highlights…
“Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.”
Golden Oxen post=1979 wrote: @ Ashvin I am hoping and expecting gold to make an appearance somewhere in this period you write about; as an anchor or stabilizer, being the historic asset of last resort. Most likely in the form of a gold backed bond or currency, perhaps both, to restore public confidence in the confetti.
Golden Oxen, be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.
The money changer criminals who have rigged the monetary system with Weapons of Mass Debt also control the majority of the gold. They’ve used a gold backed currency to beat down the people for ages.
As Thomas Edison told the New York times, “Gold and money are separate things, gold is the trick mechanism by which you can control money. That is the root of all evil.”
It’s not WHAT backs our money, it’s WHO controls its quantity.
As Vladimir Lenin said, the best way to control the opposition is to lead it.
Mises was funded by the Rockefeller Foundation… They saw an angle in promoting his views.
istt post=1959 wrote: When do you think the US will be impacted the way Greece and Spain are today? You talk of structural changes taking place. Can you be more specific? What do you see unfolding and in what time frame? I realize one cannot be exact but can you give a ballpark estimate?
istt, timing is a fool’s game. I know. 😉
I watch the media intently. Normally, they highlight the positive all the time.
Lately, the media has been used to spread negativity. I think this might be an indication TPTB are looking for a turn in the market (they play it both ways).
People wonder how the magazines invariably pin the top with a “too the moon” piece or the pin the bottom with a “stocks are dead” piece.
What they don’t understand is that the insiders use those covers precisely because they want to get every “sucker” in or out so they can change the direction of the market.
It’s like Hank Paulson saying that nonsense about the economy being stronger than he’d ever seen it in 2007 – he knew full well it was a bubble and he was trying to goose the last people he could to hang themselves with credit.
These people are demons.
>>Perhaps with such a multi-scale perspective, the Eurozone Mafia would be less prone to confront any and all issues with more bank bailouts, more austerity for the masses, more complex and self-referential alphabet soup policy mechanisms (EFSF, ESM, LTRO, etc.) – i.e. more of the same old stuff that has one and only one goal in mind – to preserve the “too big to fail” financial system. The institutions of this system and the functions they provide are treated as a given; an inescapable machine that, if anything, must be tweaked into optimal performance.<< Hi Ash, The people at the top know exactly what they are doing. The people who set up the Federal Reserve Debt Dollar Tyranny Trojan Horse DESIGNED it to do EXACTLY what it is doing today. This is the book cover of a 1912 book… https://www.libertariannews.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/fedsquid.jpg
“The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts want inflation. From now on depressions will be scientifically created.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, after the passage of the Federal Reserve act 1913.)
“Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.” (Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.)
“I have the Confederacy before me, and the bankers behind me, and for my country I fear the bankers most.” Abraham Lincoln.
Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!
~Andrew JacksonThe bank, Mr. Van Buren, is trying to kill me, but I will kill it.
~Andrew Jackson“The brave man inattentive to his duty, is worth little more to his country, than the coward who deserts her in the hour of danger.”
~Andrew JacksonLook who “the bankers” put on your $5 bill and your $20 bill.
It’s a big joke to these criminals and they prey upon the ignorance that they so confidently believe can’t be overcome en masse.
maybe these crooks are right, maybe they are wrong, but I’m standing up or going down fighting these demons to the end.
Ash, THEY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.
They know. This is their plan.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. The one aim of these financiers is world control by the creation of inextinguishable debt.”
~Henry Ford“Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure – one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.”
~David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405“In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities (Obama, Romney, O’Reilly, Maddow, Fareed, etc…) exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason.”
~ Zbigniew Brzezinski, Between Two Ages: America’s Role in the Technetronic EraManipulate and control. Manipulate and control. Manipulate and control. They tell you straight out what they do. Zbigniew is a hard core insider and has been for the last 30-40 years or more.
“Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order . Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government.”
~Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991They KNOW. But they don’t want the people to know.
“War is all about deception.”
~Sun Tzu“The best warriors never have to fight.”
~Sun Tzu“The ultimate skill is to take up a position where you are formless.”
~Sun TzuThey criminal financiers are orchestrating the highest art of war against the world’s populations… and they aren’t nice people.
They kill more people every year than Hitler killed Germans in his entire reign as “German liberator from the terrorists” and grand defender of the “National Socialist German Workers Party” or, if you prefer the shortened version, NAZIs.
They KNOW!
ashvin post=1951 wrote: btw, Triv, I agree that deliberate and malicious acts of fraud, embezzlement, murder and generally tortious/criminal conduct by multinational corporations operating in the industries of finance, pharma, energy, defense, agribusiness, etc. are pervasive in this system, and the evidence to support the existence of such activities around the world is extensive.
Hi Ash, agreed. But exactly how do these people continue to do their evil acts with Central State immunity?
1. Wachovia launders $10-$378 billion in drug money and only the whistle blower gets fired. The money is never reported recovered in spite of the fact American subjects get grilled or looted by law enforcement (stealing money claiming drug money – laundered through Wachovia, perhaps? – without a shred of evidence).
2. The ATF gives thousands of guns to the same cartel that laundered its money through Wachovia. The only people disciplined are the whistle blowers.
3. The same cartel, the Sinaloa cartel, is allowed to bring in tons and tons of cocaine (while grandma is strip searched) into the US, free and clear – and nobody gets in trouble.
4. Goldman Sach gets caught running a child sex slavery “fund” and nobody gets in trouble. Unbelievable? No… perfectly believable when you understand the real level of corruption at play…
Mitt Romney’s wife had blind trust invested in Goldman Sachs’ sex trafficking fund
5. JP Morgan is the back end for Bernie Madoff’s $50 billion Ponzi scheme and nobody gets in trouble.
6. JP Morgan bribes Jefferson County officials to increase the cost of their sewer system 8-fold (totalling $1 billion). The officials go to jail and JP Morgan is never charged. Even though they bribed Goldman Sachs to stay away from their crime scene in Jefferson County. Oh, and the loot they stole from Jefferson County based on the bribes – they get to keep it.
7. JP Morgan used Corzine to criminally steal $1.6 billion in segregated funds. Corzine apparently lies under oath about being a complete ignoramous. No investigation. Corzine asks for $25 million more from MF Global to pay his attorney fees as his victims try and sue him for relief. JP Morgan got the ill gotten gains and they get to keep it (they claim they sent if off somewhere, but that is irrelevant – an American subject of the BFC “crown” would have to pony up the cash, spent or not).
8. 7,700 tons of heroin are shipped from Afghanistan to Europe a year… and it isn’t Taliban (who reduced opium to less than 10% of today’s levels when they were in charge) doing it on donkeys. Try C-130s with CIA pilots. Or rendition planes. Year after year after year.
9. Afghanistan is now the world’s #1 grower of pot. Maximize those profits on the front end (using the media to glamorize drug use as “counter culture” when it is paying tribute to the criminal financiers perched at the top of everything) and the back end when those drug laws they lobbied for are applied to throw our gullible children into their private prison system for top dollar.
Southwest Asia: Afghanistan #1 in Marijuana Production Now, Not Just Opium
https://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/2010/apr/02/southwest_asia_afghanistan_1_mar
Right there in plain sight for all to see in all its corrupt, tyrannical glory.
Are these the actions of people that of people who KNOW they control the government or actions of people who are completely independent of government?
The Amish, real milk sellers, people with gardens in their front yard, people who video police in public, grandmas at the airport… are being SWAT teamed, jailed, threatened with life in prison and strip searched.
All by accident or random?
Where is the establishment coming out and condemning brutalizing good Americans or speaking out against the non stop criminal activity of the banking oligarchs through their front corporations and front governments?
Oh, I didn’t even get to Big Pharma’s evils…
1. Glaxo Smith Klein murdered 14 babies and doesn’t want to pay the fine… nobody gets personally in trouble.
2. Bayer knowingly murders many in Europe as they ship off known tainted (HIV, hepatitus) to Europe… criminals protected by oligarch controlled government front.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
3. Captured EPA allows criminals in pesticide industry to write in the ability to test their toxins on foster children…
https://www.infowars.com/articles/science/epa_allow_pesticide_testing_on_orphans.htm
4. Correctly prescribed pharmaceuticals kill 106,000 thousand Americans a year… or a 911 death toll every 11 days.
This is the tip of the iceberg. There is much, much more we have no clue about.
ashvin post=1955 wrote: If you are speculating on why AGW is an elaborate hoax perpetrated by TPTB, despite the sheer abundance of evidence that contradicts your theory, then you are also engaged in the promotion of HOGWASH.
Hi Ash, my 3rd grade math teacher taught me a lesson that might turn out to be one of the most important lessons I ever learned in my life.
I was given a math problem, wrote down the right answer and submitted my work.
When I got it back, it was marked wrong. I was shocked – the answer was right.
When I approached my teacher about her error, she said, “I don’t care if you have the answer right or not, I care if you know HOW to get the right answer. You didn’t show me HOW you arrived at that answer, therefore, the answer is wrong. Show your work and you’ll get it right.”
Can you provide me with the data that you reviewed to conclude that humans have a significant direct impact on the temperature of the planet. In addition, please provide the logic you applied to the underlying data.
I understand this is a bit of a task, so if you simply start with complete temperature records you used to reach your conclusion, that would be great.
Once you produce the actual data set you have used to reach your conclusion, then we can evaluate it relative to CO2 and other potential factors, as well as verify that data gathering methods didn’t change and impact the results in a significant way.
TIA…
pipefit post=1949 wrote: But if our government is lying about Bin Laden, why didn’t Bin Laden set the record straight? Mighty convenient that he kept silent all those years.
Hi pipefit, I typically avoid 911 because because it is such an emotional issue and that causes people to shut down and the cost / benefit of a 911 discussion is typically high and little is accomplished. That and the monetary system fraud is 100% certain…
But this isn’t true. Bin Laden did deny he had any involvement in 911 and did so fairly quickly.
Type in “Bin Laden Denies 911” into startpage.com (they don’t track your searches like google) and review the results – CNN is the first and it is dated September 16, 2001.
Why would you not search that term before making a claim that is factually false – and making the claim first as though it was your strongest evidence?
In order to understand complex issues, you have to do the research. it takes time.
Relying on other people (“news,” “friends,” “blogs”) without doing your own homework is to fall for an “Appeal to Authority” logical fallacy.
My name references “the Trivium” – it is a methodology that enables one to learn truth from error about the world around them.
The Trivium consists of Grammar (data), Logic (rationally evaluating the data) and Rhetoric (being able to communicate the data and the logic).
When your data is wrong, your conclusions are much more likely to end up wrong.
Most people want to have a certain view and have no interest in a real discussion to reach real, rational conclusions.
If you are really interested in gaining knowledge about 911 data, I can share some of the Grammar that my investigations have revealed.
But, please don’t spread false information – and do not trust whoever told you that false information… they are not a reliable source.
Reverse Engineer post=1946 wrote: [quote=sumac.carol post=1937]Ben and Reverse Engineer,
Can you make your criticisms and points without being demeaning towards Ash? I appreciate a good debate but things are getting ugly.
I don’t see how what I have written so far that is critical of Ash for his attitude towards conspiracy theories can be considered demeaning.
Trust me, if I wanted to be demeaning, it would hit you over the head like a sledgehammer. I just pointed out that when it comes to conspiracy theory, Ash will not take it seriously/will ridicule it. He admits himself to ridiculing David Icke’s stuff. I personally just don’t think that is being very open minded.
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https://www.doomsteaddiner.org
Hi RE, If I understood Ash correctly, he says he thinks it is reasonable to conclude that there is a financial oligarch conspiracy to screw everyone else up via Debt Dollar Discipline / Tyranny.I think he said that he wasn’t convinced that there was some kind of direct lineage thousands of years running, which is a fair proposition unless there is some pretty strong evidence.
I have no opinion because I haven’t heard the evidence yet.
However, I am pretty convinced that the system of tyranny, in all its various forms, has existed as long as humans were able to value their own welfare much more highly than the welfare of others.
I’m loading up his podcast at the ExtraEnvironmentalist and look forward to what he has to say about Debt Dollar Discipline. The EE intro was nice – they explained how Debt Dollar Discipline was keeping people “in line” and not some Gladiator with a whip.
That’s the difference between a technological / scientific dictatorship and the run of the mill dictatorship.
Speaking of tyranny…
Obsolete…
I think some people might find value in this KMO interview of Jon Rappoport. IIRC, he exposes the machinations of media and medical fraud.
The Temple of Biological Mysticism
https://c-realm.com/podcasts/crealm/297-the-temple-of-biological-mysticism/
Hi ben,
Do you think Ash is “arrogant” or does he simply have a different personality, which ought to be welcomed in a non authoritarian, freedom loving community?
I have to admit, I get the impression that Ash went to a very good university that emphasized technical details that are sometimes hard to follow. 😉
But I don’t get an “arrogant” vibe from Ash.
I do get a vibe that he has to put up with a lot of chit because he isn’t as popular as Nicole or Ilargi, but who is?
I appreciate his input and very thankful Ash is here to keep TAE up and running. Having said that, my brain does freeze when his articles get too esoteric for me, but that’s probably my issue due to fluoride, mercury and other toxin exposure.
For those that didn’t know, the EPA scientist union opposes water fluoridation… the media is controlled so they won’t tell you.
https://www.nteu280.org/Issues/Fluoride/NTEU280-Fluoride.htm
You’ll note that Big Finance Capital’s medical subdivision has refused to do a randomized, double blind placebo study (the only kind that can’t be manipulated when done right) to prove ingested fluoride’s efficacy at preventing tooth decay.
If you research it, you’ll also find that they refuse the same “gold standard” test to prove the flu shot is effective at reducing the risk of getting the flu.
There is only one reasonable reason to avoid such a test – to hide the results from their subjects – and they don’t hide good results, just bad ones.
sumac.carol post=1937 wrote: Ben and Reverse Engineer,
Can you make your criticisms and points without being demeaning towards Ash? I appreciate a good debate but things are getting ugly.
Disagreeing while remaining agreeable is a skill we should all aspire to develop to its upper limit.
I think I posted it before, but it is worth a second posting… Joe Banister was an IRS insider who started asking legal questions that the establishment couldn’t answer, so they canned him and trumped up legal charges on him in a failed attempt to incarcerate him.
Banister is an American hero, IMHO.
You won’t be seeing him on main stream TV, though.
Controlled from the top down.
Tyrants always want to consolidate wealth and power in a top down hierarchical manner so they can consolidate power and wealth and use it to literally wage war on everyone else.
1. They steal $1.6 billion of American subject money (debt receipts), lie under oath and nothing happens (MF Global).
2. They run the drugs – 7,700 tons of heroin out of Afghanistan and into Europe. They then throw the users into private prisons surrounded by private hotels (not sure if Europe does this yet, but America does). Who do you think lobbies for draconian drug sentences? The very same criminals who bring in the drugs and own the private prisons.
JP Morgan is the back end for Bernie Madoff – nothing happens.
Wachovia launders between $10 and $378 billion in narcotics money, leases and runs the planes for the drug cartel and are fined 1.3% of the loot. There was no mention of the money actually being recovered because the Big Finance Capital controlled CIA wasn’t about to let go of their loot.
Just out Goldman Sachs runs a child sex slave and trafficking “fund.”
Nothing happens.
JP Morgan bribes Jefferson County officials and only the officials go to jail – JP Morgan is exempt.
Apparently, they have a KMA Card. If you want to know what a KMA card is, you can find out by watching Aaron Russo’s interview…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
The Big Finance Capital “government” front gives guns to the Sinaloa drug cartel. The same cartel that laundered BILLIONS in drug money through Wachovia. The same cartel that the US allowed to traffic tons and tons of cocaine into the US free and clear.
All the while American subject grandmothers are being strip searched at the airport, small local farmers and the Amish are being SWAT teamed and a guy who sold real milk was tossed into prison for his crime.
And the kicker? Big Finance Capital’s Pharma division kills about 3000 people every 11 days… that’s a 9/11 every 11 days… That’s over 1,100,000 people deader than a hammer since 9/11… but dying at the hands of a Big Finance Capital corporate front isn’t “newsworthy.”
It’s all rigged, people… the narrative is being written by demons (with reptilian minds? -lol-) and they pay people enough to play along. When they don’t, they can them and everyone else gets the message.
ANATOMY OF A CONSPIRACY
MEDICALLY CAUSED DEATH IN AMERICAhttps://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/anatomy-of-a-conspiracy/
Here is Jon on the Alex Jones show (you won’t hear him on the MSM… controlled)
ObamaCare (RomneyCare) and the Matrix
OBAMACARE AND THE MATRIXDavid Icke is an interesting character. On the one hand, he has some incredible insight into the how the world works. On the other hand, he believes the moon is hollow and filled with reptilian aliens, if I understand him correctly.
I appreciate the former, but I don’t think the latter is incredibly unlikely (as in about as close to 0% as one can get without being 0%).
Having said that, I don’t think Icke just made that up. I bet he can go back and cite all kinds of “traditions” in times past and I do have to admit these psychopaths in charge due seem to have a “reptilian mind.”
Overall, though, I do believe that Icke is a “good guy” and he’s on the right side of history because he’s resisting the tyrants that want to enslave us and, more than likely, kill a lot of us off or, at a minimum, sterilize us so our descendants can’t use up their resources.
I don’t known enough to say how long this Debt Dollar Tyranny has been in play or how long one “lineage,” for lack of a better term, has been at the helm. After watching The Secret of Oz (on Youtube, well worth the viewing), though, it is pretty clear that this conspiracy was well developed by the time of the American Revolution and at least some of the descendants of the actors back then are still in play now (calling out the Red Shields).
I am taken aback by the amount of control these Debt Dollar Tyrants have over the media… Nobody mentions Debt Dollar Tyranny, media hosts get fired whenever they touch a nerve…
Dylan Ratigan called for criminal banksters to be jailed and he was gone as lead on Fast Money within a week, IIRC.
Cenk was canned for not slobbering “the establishment…” His account is extremely interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrKKkGl3TnY
Judge Nap was canned immediately after telling too much truth…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=432r-utKgAg
Unsettling Accounts also exposes how The Investigators was canned for telling the truth about a toxic Monsanto product and how the media has ZERO legal obligation to tell the truth. Yes, you read that correctly. (the whole documentary is a must watch)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw
The message is out there – the other hosts know not to tread in unwanted waters.
Fox depicts their viewers as “sheep.”
https://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline/fox-news-zings-cnn-msnbc-holiday-card-just-164515834.html
