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    Edward Hopper New York movie 1938   • Mueller – The Name That Ended All Mainstream Media Credibility (RT) • The Accountability That Must Follow M
    [See the full post at: Debt Rattle March 24 2019]

    #46219
    V. Arnold
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    Kim Dotcom

    @KimDotcom
    Mueller – The name that ended all mainstream media credibility.

    No matter what you think of Donald Trump. His unexpected rise to power has educated the entire world about what’s wrong with US politics, the fake news media and the deep state.

    Indeed it does; but I fear to no avail…
    There is something very wrong with the majority of Usians.
    I used to think I knew what; apathy.
    But, it’s far worse and far deeper than that…
    I can’t put a finger on it; but it’s fatal if allowed to go to term…
    The 50,000+ opioid deaths per year are a major tell; but for the mot part ignored; another tell, portending reality…

    #46220
    Dr. D
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    So they plan to vote again the moment they think they can win and stop Brexit. Then they’ll vote right.

    This leads to a number of questions I don’t have time to detail. It’s been two years and it is – in theory only – a democracy. Why should it be illegal for them to vote again if they want to? Or vote every year? Or month. Or day. Or with new technology, every hour, minute, and second?

    Votes usually involve something that’s happening immediately, or something there is a long tide of support for. If you vote a Congressman, they’re in in 30 days, and – false hope – they manage not to have a bribery scandal or dead intern in the meantime. But what if we didn’t seat them for two years? Or ten? If nothing else, there’s a different generation of voters alive now. This is what Jefferson said with one generation using debt – and therefore making intractable decisions – on behalf of another. Like ours, where they sell their children as slaves and party hearty.

    However you can’t have a vote the day after a shooting or terrorist attack when the swing is abnormal as they do every. single. time. At the same time, you can’t keep voting like the EU no no no no no no no, until you get a ‘yes’ then stop voting.

    It all depends on honesty and good will, and to a man, they have none. So it’s hard to help them, but like the founders did here, I can suggest new voting technology to overcome their complete lack of morality and interest in executing the people’s mandate. How about voting 50-50 for a referendum, but need a 2/3s vote to overturn? With a 1-year set up time for each to campaign? Governments shouldn’t move that fast anyway. And in my view, it wouldn’t matter, since they shouldn’t do much and the people should ignore them.

    Just thoughts, as people get lost in ‘the vote’ and ‘the will’, but without honesty in men, in execution, and in near-total open documents, there is none. It’s only my side, right or wrong.

    UK Fracking Plan ‘Will Release Same CO2 As 300 Million New Cars’

    Curious about the ‘300 million cars’. It isn’t the fracking that will do it, or to that level, so it must mean the burning of that gas. So if you’re saying that we find and burn fossil fuels over decades and release CO2, then yes. And if not, then go ahead and stop finding and burning them and kill 4 billion people. See if they smile and just accept it. Or maybe Britain can sit in the dark while Africa, China, and India don’t give a crap and burn it all for you.

    “Rents have doubled and entire families of tenants have been pushed out by cash-hungry owners,”

    Disaster capitalism, as planned. But the people voted! And then were double crossed, like 100% of the time! They should have listened to Varoufakis’ crazy idea and gotten the h—k out of the EU, the Euro, and the whole western sphere. And they say Britain is crazy for wanting to leave with behavior and results like this. Go ahead: be a vagrant in your own country and don’t fight back, see if I care.

    “Hunt For Bogus Asthma Cure Threatens Pangolins (O.)”

    You know where they get the money to make that mess? Powell and Xi print it out of thin air. Without their fake demand, the world returns to a normal and perhaps tolerable level of corruption. Corruption to the level of 10% taxes and a Hamilton having an affair with a willing woman seem like a dream at this point.

    #46221
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Here in Thailand, Pangolins are open season; 24/7/365…
    Corruption, priorities, and corruption ensure their extinction…
    Cry for the Pangolins…nobody who can help cares…

    #46222
    Dr. D
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    V. I fear to tell you as you’ve already guessed, that a plurality of Americans are psychotic and insane. They have lost all contact with reality.

    And what’s the surprise since the Department of Education took over, the CIA is openly paying newspapers, and corporations are people? It’s not like they were hiding it. “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false,” said CIA Director Casey in 1981. We know Operation Mockingbird actually existed and was neck-deep even back to 1950. There was a national investigation and confirmation, but Americans are so good-natured and naive you can say to their face, provide every fact, and they won’t believe.

    According to [autobiography of Deborah] Davis, “By the early 1950s, Wisner ‘owned’ respected members of The New York Times, Newsweek, CBS and other communications vehicles.”[4] Davis claimed that after Cord Meyer joined the CIA in 1951, he became Operation Mockingbird’s “principal operative.”

    In a 1977 Rolling Stone magazine article, “The CIA and the Media,” reporter Carl Bernstein wrote that by 1953, CIA Director Allen Dulles oversaw the media network, which had major influence over 25 newspapers and wire agencies. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

    And those are just a FEW routes by which to create a bubble every bit as anti-free-speech as New Zealand.

    And you expect with every textbook run, every word printed, billions spent by the Pentagon to influence movies and TV to be pro-war, pro-US, they somehow WOULDN’T be as delusional as North Korea?

    But these things have consequences. You can’t make good decisions if everything you know is false, if your very conception of reality, of military, of force, of voting, democracy, markets, people, influence, persuasion, are all entirely false. You believe gravity is suspended and physics and law don’t apply to you. Just like Venice, Spain, Holland, France, and Britain. Then you collapse like the blind, dumb idiot you are. What can I say? The American people vote every year to not be an Empire, but just a nation, to have peace, and not war, and yet we get it anyway. Don’t worry, those hillbillies in southern Indiana will be right again, voting to be ‘isolationist’ and against ‘global neighborhood’ and mind their own business and leave everyone alone. If only.

    But yes, we are at Casey’s “everything they know is false” level, those 30% who are in change and have the privilege to live in a bubble of cheating schools and cheating stocks, have the money to screw their neighbors, steal their houses and sell opioids to the ‘other’ and call them immoral, call them dumb. They deny the Mueller report they themselves authorized and prosecuted, and it doesn’t even occur to them that denying their own facts, the ones they had a second ago, is bad thinking. Nor most of the other stuff. Meanwhile everybody else can’t live in that bubble still suffers under 80% delusion of lies told to them every day of their lives by everybody they ever met. How would you not?

    But although you can avoid reality, you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. So when our ships don’t work and our planes fall out of the sky, the world laughs, we’re a has-been, and finish our descent into the third world. How did I escape this? Maybe I didn’t.

    #46223
    zerosum
    Participant

    although you can avoid reality, you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.

    Reality is in N. Korea, Haiti, Cuba, Syria, the homeless in our communities. etc.

    We got a long way to go to see reality

    #46224
    Zerodollars
    Participant

    Dr D.: . . . “And those are just a FEW routes by which to create a bubble every bit as anti-free-speech as New Zealand.”

    Wrong.
    We are not “anti-FREE-speech” in NZ. We are however “anti-HATE-speech”.

    There is a big difference.

    #46225
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Wrong.
    We are not “anti-FREE-speech” in NZ. We are however “anti-HATE-speech”.

    There is a big difference.
    Zerodollars

    Sorry, I’m going to have to differ with you here.
    No actually there is not a difference at all. One either has free speech or censorship.
    Just because you do not like what you term “hatespeech”; denying one the right to state their views is censorship, pure and simple.
    We’ve been infantilied into ignorance and belief; and have lost all sense of morality.
    Cliche’ though it is; snowflake describes the reality pefectly.

    #46226
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    infantilied…should be infantilized

    #46227
    V. Arnold
    Participant

    Dr D
    But although you can avoid reality, you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. So when our ships don’t work and our planes fall out of the sky, the world laughs, we’re a has-been, and finish our descent into the third world. How did I escape this? Maybe I didn’t.

    Oh sure you did. At least mentally/psychologically.
    Today’s western societies illustrate just how far people are willing to go to get these non-existent. “safe spaces”.
    The shallowness of peoples crippled thinking; the inability to critically assess any given situation, and, as you said; grasp a semblance of reality.
    Everything they think they know; everything; has been manufactired just for them.
    Good god, I’ve just described the Matrix, haven’t I…

    #46242
    Dr. D
    Participant

    Speech everybody loves doesn’t need to be protected. Therefore, we ONLY have free speech when it’s offensive.

    To whom? That’s the question, isn’t it? Who decides? Why not me? Why not Trump? Why not Macron as he shoots his people in the streets?

    Presently, ‘who decides’ is corrupt governments and corrupt billionaires working hand in hand, the definition of fascism. THEY decide what is “Free” or not. THEY decide that when they ‘sex up’ a report on Iraq that blows the billions they needed for the NIH and kill a million people, you don’t need to know. When the Skripals die or MI6 topples governments, when British Black Ops are caught shooting civilians in Yemen as happened this morning, you don’t need to know why. That’s illegal information. And if it’s illegal, it’s not ‘free’ speech. Then you vote on WMD and ties to al-Qaeda, knowing nothing. THAT’S why we suffer speech that is slightly annoying to us. THAT’S why we tolerate the other guy’s view instead of imprisoning him for 10 years for owning words, or shooting him in the street when he’s arrested for it. …Or holding him incommunicado for 8 years in an embassy without a trial. That sort of thing.

    For me, I’ll be one of those outdated guys that cling to the ideals of the Enlightenment and to the existence of western culture, such as freedom, liberty, and dissent. When there’s no dissent, no naughty speech someone doesn’t approve of, you can be sure the system is one of absolute tyranny. But it’s your nation, not mine. Feel free to imprison everyone who reports facts, everyone who tells the wrong jokes, everyone who dares defend themselves against personal, state, and corporate violence. But I’m not sure it will end well if you do. Otherwise re-join the Western Enlightenment of freedom that has given us so much, and tolerate its annoyances as well as its benefits.

    Sorry, I’m passionate about this because our country so narrowly missed succumbing to the tyranny you’re adopting, killing me and everyone I know – and only so far — that I can still hear the wind of that near miss rush by.

    “The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance.” — John Curran “vigilance” here being a word that means ‘hard work and suffering’.

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