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  • #190731
    Topcat
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    #190732
    Topcat
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    I did wonder what happened to Chris Christy

    #190733
    Dr D Rich
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    Add poacher and a little slow to objective pedophile in Ritter’s curriculum vitae rap sheet.

    It was already written here even without miker’s fawning devotion to that sick shit that passes for Ritter’s alluring videos.

    Jesu Cristo the madness

    #190734
    Topcat
    Participant

    To a generation that obsessively takes cell phone photos of themselves and calls them ‘selfies’ because ‘narcissisties’ is too hard to spell

    #190735
    Topcat
    Participant

    The Strait of Hormuz

    You don’t actually have to “close it”

    You just have to say you’re going to block certain carriers and their insurance company will yank their coverage.

    Let the insurance companies do all the heavy lifting here.

    #190736
    Topcat
    Participant

    An important detail in grammar having to do with ‘tense’

    • US Intervened Because Israel Was on Brink of Defeat – Iranian Ex-Ambassador. <<<<<WRONG

    • US Intervened Because Israel IS on Brink of Defeat – Iranian Ex-Ambassador

    Israel is being taken apart with missiles.

    Behold Hafia

    Parts of it look like Gaza now:

    https://x.com/i/status/1936100990085632485

    #190737
    Dr D Rich
    Participant
       Major US Cities on Alert After US Airstrikes on Iranian Nuclear Facilities (ET)

    Not a snowball’s chance in Hell of the unstated implications of this title ever happening. …that Iran could, would, should attack anyone except Israel since The President stated he is protecting Israel from the bully.

    However, the intent IS to condition the American People just like the conditioning and preparation of the same people prior to March 2003, The Iraq War for Israel and the MIC.
    What’s next, Anthrax? COVID redux?

    #190738
    Topcat
    Participant

    #190739
    Dr. D
    Participant

    “They did not use B-2s nor bunker buster bombs and the damage was superficial”
    “Donald Trump to Barak Ravid few hours ago: “We achieved a great success tonight. Israel is now much safer.”
    “Oil tankers will not be able to reach Europe through the Strait of Hormuz.”
    “Before last night’s attacks: Pakistan recommends Trump for Nobel Obama Peace Prize”

    I can’t cover it all, don’t have time, and no one knows what’s true anyway, but Iran says they moved all material, etc from the site. Trump hit nothing. …Which also makes me wonder what the point of having hardened bases is, if you’re just going to farm out the tasks to safehouses using deception. This goes with the Chinese cargo, which landed perhaps not bringing stuff but removing it?

    Idea: remember all nations have factions. If I were the shills, or merely Team C in Iran, you just call MI6 on the phone and say “Hey boss, General Muhammad is in base X” and let Israel blow up your competition for you. Instant promotion. …If you’re not already allied or an employee of the “West” to begin with. So new depth to “Decapitation strike”.

    Okay, as I don’t have time to strike, here’s what is said: Israel has Trump by the balls over the Budget, of course, He owns more Senators, eg Graham. They are running out of time and Tulsi/Hegseth + Powell are very slowly squeezing them out. At some point the power balance flips where they own 49% not 51%, so they need to act. ALL actions are good when you’re losing, burn every asset, try every gambit. We know.

    But in this situation, they go to Trump and say “We’re going to nuke Iran, stop us.” Note the situation: Nuclear WWIII pops up, Europe off the hook. Opens that door to the Brave New World, history stops and a new book opens. Now what can Trump do right now? Nuke Israel instead? Everyone around’s been raised in the post WWII reality of “Closest allies” “Iran Bad” “Holocaust Worship” s—t. And by “them” I mean Generals, colonels, think tanks, CEOs, everyone. That’s vanishing fast, but presently still true. So WE might say idgaf, but the actors of the power base from the bottom to the top, local politicos in SC right up to Joint Chief will +70% rebel at this.

    Here’s where you Pollyannas sit on the couch and don’t get punched in the nuts making hard decisions. You’re in a war, Princess: the decision is WHICH city do you want bombed, not IF. You have resources to protect one, or would have to blow the war defending both, etc. You just gave the order Lincoln gets leveled because you defended Portsmouth and rightfully so. But everyone will point and call you Hitler, as they do all generals, like Patton and Ike. Man up.

    So in this scenario, Trump warns them of this, and Via Russia. That’s the “Evacuate Tehran” (since Israel is going to nuke it) deal. Russia is silent. Gabbard and Hegseth are set aside in case of emergencies. “Outside” being “Anitwar”. Then TRUMP bombs all the bases Israel planned to Nuke, because this is the BETTER outcome, where 1) No radioactive fallout for 40 years 2) No radioactive leak from the uranium inside the base. IAEA sniffers found nothing, which is pretty odd.

    What’s Israel’s move now? Trump just “Fixed” their problem (on TV, to the masses) with hitting them harder than anyone could ask. Doing everything they want. And Israel is now subject to Iran’s “Retaliation” which can run freely, so Israel can really, deeply, experience and enjoy the fruits of war. That happened this morning.

    Can Israel nuke the bases that were just nuked and start WWIII, turning us to a totally different game board? No. Bomb what? The entrances are already leveled. Bomb downtown Tehran? Why? Lols? And our budget is in a few days, on the 4th. No doubt they cut a deal they would clear that if we did this.

    Okay, so WHAT HAPPENED? The U.S. hit nothing. ISRAEL is now the one totally exposed. This is EXACTLY the gambit they used with the orgasmic “Beautiful Bombs!!!” “Trump is a real President now” in Syria. …When he hit the MOSSAD base and weapons factory, shooting Tomahawks into nothing.

    …Yeah, Israel, MI6 didn’t ask him to “help” so much after that, did they?

    Iran has ALL the uranium still. They are still standing. They are in the long position, with time on their side. Israel is getting hammered. Hey is ISRAEL that is our true enemy here, so to speak? THEY are the ones running our Senators? THEY are the dual citizens in office? And Israel is an European colony project. They’re all Northern Europeans killing the local aborigines. Quotes above, WHO is hit?

    B2s were a big show. Base itself is fine even though they hit it for real. Mossad can read satellite pic ya know, it has to be real craters there. Project carries on. Uranium is safe. Iran is not decapitated. ISRAEL is getting bombed and Cheeto say “But, but but! That’s what you TOLD me to do Nutsy! This is YOUR plan, man! I just executed it.” .

    Who else is out? Europe gets no WWIII which saves them, both: Not Europe and saves them from financial strangling Powell just -ss f—ked them with yesterday. Ukraine has Russia’s full focus, Trump has “hands off”, he says, “Well gosh by golly, sorry, I would but so. Busy! Swear if YOU in Europe, Israel hadn’t done this, I would’ve solved Ukraine by golly!” Har har.

    Okay, so Der Docktor is on the Trump train, sha-la-la! Nope.

    Let’s say we have the classic situation they prime us all for since 9-12, from “24”: The t’rrists! From under me bed! I have to torture him or a nuke goes off! …So you understand torture is good and necessary, don’t you, my Christian brother? And the more spread more widely the better, right? The safererer we are? C’mon Cleetus, just a little torture. …Or to be real, it’s actually Thad from Haaaah-vard who does this. Cleetus has the brains God gave a sponge, so he’s smarter than that.

    NO. Obviously. You feel the need to do this, great! Do it. ...And we’re going to arrest and try you for the exact same crimes. IF you love your country, you won’t mind doing twenty in Leavenworth to save it, will you? What you did was a CRIME, sir. IF you believe in the country, we don’t allow war crimes. That’s not American. Find another way or do the time. That’s called “Consequences”.

    Same here, so Trump stops the greater disaster, a direct door into WWIII! A Hero! He stopped that nuke going off!

    Jack Bauer wins! Huzzah!

    Nope. We Impeach. Why? You took upon yourself to declare a direct war on a probable nuclear power, which would cause WWIII in the middle east and larger world, aka Russia, China, without even CONSULTING Congress, not officially. That is CLEARLY out of bounds.

    All I see is any nation, any nutter can just go “I’m going to bomb the Mormons next door” and make YOU jump and and bomb them FIRST? So you can bomb them slightly less? Nope. Jail sir. We don’t parley with terrorists. We don’t take orders.
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    Then at your trial you can go EXPLAIN TO US in tiny words wtf you thought you were doing and why, all on record to the American people. And regrettably, the President’s latitude is wide, esp for a first 30 days, all that needs to be updated as you couldn’t “War” London in 1801 in 60 seconds back then. And also Congress is FOR this, as I said. So given the situation, They’d do it more than he has.

    And IF there were an impeachment there might be four total adults in Congress who wouldn’t use it to flip the GOP out and put the worst woke communists in who would round us all up and kill us, finishing their (Europe’s) “Russian Rev 2.0” Plan.

    I don’t care, Margaret. Too bad. Solves all kinds of problems. President can’t do this. Evidence comes out. Democratic discussion is had. Blackmail, Israel, discussed. U.S. breaks completely free of Israel and possibly Europe on the revelations. Maga is cracked right now, we are reverting, restoring, original “American” government. Trump is taken out/down. No Caesar leaders. No one is above the law. We stop wars, since without a declaration you get jailed. Dems are finally satisfied, bringing the nation together under one unity banner. Trump is out, Vance or whoever fills continuing to “Normalization.” 100 more great, magical reasons.

    Here’s the only one that matters to me:

    IF YOU ARGUABLY BROKE THE LAW YOU GET IMPEACHED. Full stop. That’s why we have laws.

    Here’s the problem: No one will. Congress loves it. Lobbies love it. If we did, Dems wouldn’t restrain and be responsible. MAGA may not want this, but they SURE won’t want to impeach, it’s too much of an emotional reversal, etc. They need to digest this.

    But my job is to present what we SHOULD do, nobody listenin’ to me. You did the thing, welcome to jail, here’s your day in court to explain.

    Okay, we now return to “Reality of what’s really going to happen, and what’s really going on“, whether I like it or not, or approve or not.

    …Now I see why they say the U.S. will break up into pieces. With not MAGA at this moment, not a Civil War, maybe, but people stop looking to the center. To the Man. No One is worthy, no, not one. So shift focus to their regional area, and that may or may not include Alberta.

    “Now Israel spins its wheels, striking empty or nonessential ‘nuclear sites’ to no effect merely to evoke a sense of momentum for its flagging operation, while Iran slowly reorganizes itself and puts the country on a wartime footing.”

    That’s the present gameboard.

    Is the U.S. massing a million men to go fix this? Nope. We ain’t goin’. …That Nimitz is probably still on though. Isr not done yet, I wager, they (Europe) is going to do all kinds of demented things. MI6 was working with Ukr to use a Russian torpedo to sink a Navy ship.

    …And we haven’t talked false flag in U.S. Nuke New Jersey, blame it on Iran. They would, in two seconds if they can. Hard to stop. You want to trade downtown Boston for (not) hitting one doorway in the desert? That you warned Iran about ahead of time? Grow up.

    “The closure of Hormuz and oil prices spiking to ungodly levels would crush that miracle and send Trump’s ‘golden age’ into the sewer,”

    No. It destroys EUROPE. And Israel. Haifa was slow, but now destroyed. The U.S. can easily EASILY muddle through such a thing. And how ‘bout that war in Europe with no oil for Germany, but Russia has infinity? All another “oops” for Trump, constantly slippin’ on that banana peel.

    “Israel has lost its oil refining capacity indefinitely and could face serious fuel problems,”
    And also: Oil from where? Not Iran. Not via Suez.

    Dammit JB, after all that blathering, you beat me on this yesterday. Yes, the Syria “Beautiful bomb” strike.

    “Trump is no longer the anti-war president.”

    Yes, and MAGA is cracked, though not as badly as I expected. But this is the game-play corner they boxed Trump in. Do this; or do THAT. He took the war option, and that may be right, but in a sense it’s over. No peace President = No MAGA. That’s why Impeachment would right the ship.

    …But the Epstein list with 150 Congressmen being marched out for Mossad would too, it would explain things nicely.

    …And I didn’t get to cover today yet.

    #190740
    tboc
    Participant

    Dr D Rich Andy and Scotty’s only purpose is give carnival barkers a more meaningful place in society.

    a description of the affliction infecting anyone who gives any credence to those two cretins”

    Confirmation bias is the tendency to search for, interpret, and remember information in a way that supports one’s existing beliefs while ignoring or dismissing contradictory evidence. This bias can lead to flawed decision-making and reinforce personal beliefs, even in the face of opposing information.

    #190741
    tboc
    Participant

    rules based disorder and total spectrum incompetence

    all three branches of the sitting US federal government make Benedict Arnold look as a partriot

    #190742
    tboc
    Participant

    yer right old man, but it’s PROFITABLE

    #190743
    Topcat
    Participant

    Ukraine so broke they can’t meet basic payroll in government at any level

    #190744
    Topcat
    Participant

    Israel hit at dawn this morning

    Impressive

    https://x.com/i/status/1936884243885699297

    #190745
    Dr. D
    Participant

    And didn’t I already say I was out even last week and called for impeachment already once last month? When you have principles, these things are easy.

    “He claims the US bombs only literally pounded sand, and reality differs greatly from the narrative.”

    Seems to be. If so, then what? Trump kept his word to Israel. This is all their doing,w hat they wanted. Now no oil in Europe? See how much they like Israel then. …Or sadly, all Jews either, who are about to get monkey-hammered in the crossfire. Morons. I see them online breathless for war right now, usual, “My side” stuff, whatever Iran does is evil, my side never dun wrong, all media talking points, so in that sense, just normies, but… But THE WORLD IS GOING TO SAY YOU DID THIS. And they’re not going to neatly and nicely distinguish between Israel and Jews like I do. And really, REALLY when you called for this openly, knowing it was murder, only this week, you fools.

    …Note, to me this is the same dumbassery that the U.S. Right did going into Iraq, that is, it’s not special, it shows no special ill-will but it isn’t going to wear well either. I can’t protect you from that. Not sure I care. You called for war elsewhere, and so it came to your house. Boo-hoo. Problem is, people merely ill-informed via the world’s greatest propaganda op in history, and people who marched Against it, are all going to get swept up.

    “• Medvedev: Countries Now Ready To Supply Iran With Nuclear Warheads (ZH)

    Yes, as yesterday, the NPT no longer exists. The IAEA inspectors cease to exist, and every nation needs a nuke, pronto. Thanks. #Winning. From the Mafia side: the POINT of having a UN, IAEA, etc IS to lie, decieve, then when they’re a useless husk, admit the betrayal to the rube who were dumb enough to believe you. Like Iran, but also like Jeff Sachs. Guy spends his life trying to STOP nukes, his documents get fed to the war-targeting machine to CAUSE them, cause war. You moron. Have you never read “Frankenstein”? Why do scientists still create deadly weapons “Only my side is good, we’ll never use, and will never escape”? JHC. And the “inventor” of AI out there on the circuit warning about what HE created. AGAIN.

    “We owe a deep gratitude to science…
    …For solving all the problem created by Science.” — Jon Stewart.

    • US Intervened Because Israel Was on Brink of Defeat – Iranian Ex-Ambassador (Sp.)

    Yes, but substitute “The West”, Europe, Davos, Banking, whatever. Even the U.S. is breaking free from them. And then add “Israel ASKED, blackmailed, forced” etc we didn’t just jump in like we were one person. There are factions and the factions matter.

    “• US Strikes on Iran Reckless Breach of Sovereignty – Russian FM (Sp.)

    Among the impeachables. Even with wide latitude, he contradicted the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty because IF other nations sign it, they can’t be attacked THAT’S THE WHOLE POINT. But I’d have to look into law, are we even a signatory since we defy it daily ourselves?

    “• Moscow Blasts US Redo Of ‘Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction’ Stunt (RT)

    Yup, It’s not working. But it’s also breaking MAGA, which is good for Davos.

    Democratic presidents such as Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are suddenly opposed to Trump using the same power.”

    Yup, they can’t be trusted. If we had a Congress, Impeachment would be a no-brainer, but if we had a Congress, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.

    “• Vance, Rubio Call For Peace With Iran, Say Regime Change Is Not The Goal (ZH)

    Do they now? And why would anyone believe them? Or the U.S.? That’s not a BAD thing, clearly you SHOULDN’T believe us, if it takes us tying you up with duct tape to scare you enough to stop trusting us, sobeit. Get the message.

    “• The EU’s Favorite War: The One Israel Starts (Marsden)

    The EU here.

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    They are dividing up and colonizing the world, from Ukr to the M.E. to Brazil, Africa, they want it ALL. EU thinks it ALL belongs to them. We just police it like a coolie.

    “Trump’s administration has made a colossal mistake.”

    Again, above: Weird Mistake. Trump makes weird mistakes like this all the time for 50 years. Wot a dummy.

    “he US will be pulled deeper into a military confrontation almost by default. If on the other hand, Tehran holds back or offers only a token response, Israel’s leadership – backed by its neoconservative allies in Washington – will seize the moment to pressure the White House: now is the time to finish off a weakened regime and force a convenient replacement.”

    Yup, he highlights this is a trap for MAGA. Trump is out, having to choose ruins his base.
    …Unless you know that’s what’s going on. Then it’s just EU/Israel being a dick. And we all turn against our common enemy: them.

    “• Major US Cities on Alert After US Airstrikes on Iranian Nuclear Facilities (ET)

    And then by the Law of Nothing Ever Happens, nothing ever happened. So Iran is so mad at us, they did nothing, anywhere. And are solely collapsing Isr instead. Huh. Almost like we’re on the same page after we warned them.

    “• The European Garden On The Brink Of Ruin (SCF)

    If we and Powell can hold out a little longer. Not have a WWIII nuclear drop that flips the gameboard.

    “US intervention in the middle east is correlated to 11 year solar cycle of sunspot activity

    Ppl go nuts in sunspots. But also this is “Astrology” the Occult, which the bad guys follow, plan, and reinforce. So is it now the cause? Or the effect?

    #190746
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Marsden nails it!

    #190747
    kultsommer
    Participant

    Just to think that “anti-Trumps” of a past decade or so were “right”, for a different reason but still “right”?

    In the past few months every image of Trump revealed strain in his face with painful gaze – as he knows that his base knows that he betrayed them.
    Trump and our “lawmakers” live scripted life on a daily basis. What an existence!?

    #190748
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Problem is, people merely ill-informed via the world’s greatest propaganda op in history, and people who marched Against it, are all going to get swept up.
    Sounds just like The Vax scene.
    Nice rant today Dr D

    #190749
    oxymoron
    Participant

    Systems thinking can never account for details and the many ways to see a thing from the mind of a tiny soul but I like this framing a lot for what it’s worth.

    https://escapekey.substack.com/p/the-complete-architecture?utm_source=substack&utm_campaign=post_embed&utm_medium=email

    #190750
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I’m surprised that no one of significant international stature has said so yet, so it is fitting that a complete nobody from nowhere says it first.

    It is time for the nation state of Israel to negotiate a peace agreement while it is still a nation state capable of signing the papers. The longer they stall then the less desirable will be the terms that they must accept until the point is reached (and soon) that the point becomes irrelevant. There will simply not be an internationally recognized nation of Israel to sign anything.

    They are presently not quite so far along on the road to extinction as is Ukraine, but their basic situation is nearly identical. They are merely a political fiction designed by people shuffling papers, favors and carefully obscured plans, negotiated deep within the bowels of Rothschild’s Europe and Nazi Germany in 1933, and can just as easily go back to being just another failed idea instead of a real place.

    Talk now while you still have a voice, Benjamin. Your clock hasn’t got many ticks left in it.

    And by the way, regardless of the other details you manage to wrangle out of the contract, just forget about being an exclusively “Jewish” nation. That kind of megalomaniacal insanity died with the Bronze Age. You just didn’t notice.

    #190751
    zerosum
    Participant

    The Trump admin is working feverishly to sell the narrative that Iran’s nuclear facilities are “obliterated” and “the war is over”.

    reality

    https://x.com/iwasnevrhere_/status/1936795685111656696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1936799415148347406%7Ctwgr%5E0bb0e59e583ecc257e241d6778e3e41c6ce6ef1c%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theautomaticearth.com%2F2025%2F06%2Fdebt-rattle-june-23-2025%2F

    Ended Iranian nuclear threat, that’s because there wasn’t one before.
    They bombed two abandoned desert sites, and one-Fordow- that they couldn’t hit.

    He bombed two empty facilities that had been previously struck by Israel.

    And he bounced six bombs off an indestructible facility (Firdos), claiming destruction despite the opposite being the case.

    That’s it.

    Expected Reaction

    to block the Strait of Hormuz
    send oil prices skyrocketing, triggering global inflation and economic shockwaves.
    ———-
    NO/NIL Expected Reaction

    #190752
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    In this age of AI, satellites and instantaneously synchronous connection-of-everything I’m surprised that Iran is not already running the Straits of Hormuz like a High Tech Private Toll-Gate. It would be easy-peasy for them to be in Realtime Fulltime communication with every individual vessel and everyone else who has anything to do with that vessel, including the ship’s country of origin, owners of the vessel itself, buyers and sellers of the cargo on board, and most importantly each and every one of the myriad INSURERS connected to every single one of the categories of goods, services, personnel and political interests that pass close to their shores in that bottleneck.

    Seems to me that an enterprising and ambitious master of markets could control the price of every item that passes by, just by influencing the speed and insurance costs of getting through those narrow straits.

    Want to ship something through there? I’m sure we can make a deal, and with all of this techno-gadgetry at my disposal I’m sure we can do it quickly (or as slowly and expensively as I choose to make it) …. so better be nice to me and play by my rules if you want to use my Toll Gate.

    #190753
    jb-hb
    Participant

    https://i0.wp.com/www.barnhardtmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/img_5696-1.jpg?resize=768%2C704&ssl=1

    #190754
    zerosum
    Participant

    Damage assessment – Medvedev
    ————
    The attacks as ultimately ineffective, and that it will blow back on America and Israel in a way opposite than intended, especially as Tehran will now only push harder for a nuke, and allied countries might now simply be willing to supply them to the Iranians.

    1. Critical infrastructure of the nuclear fuel cycle appears to have been unaffected or sustained only minor damage.
    2. The enrichment of nuclear material — and, now we can say it outright, the future production of nuclear weapons — will continue.
    3. A number of countries are ready to directly supply Iran with their own nuclear warheads.
    4. Israel is under attack, explosions are rocking the country, and people are panicking.
    5. The US is now entangled in a new conflict, with prospects of a ground operation looming on the horizon.
    6. Iran’s political regime has survived — and in all likelihood, has come out even stronger.
    7. The people are rallying around the country’s spiritual leadership, including those who were previously indifferent or opposed to it.
    8. Donald Trump, once hailed as ‘president of peace,’ has now pushed the US into another war.
    9. The vast majority of countries around the world oppose the actions of Israel and the United States.
    10. At this rate, Trump can forget about the Nobel Peace Prize — not even with how rigged it has become.
    ————-
    • US Intervened Because Israel Was on Brink of Defeat – Iranian Ex-Ambassador (Sp.)

    IAEA Director General Rafael Grossi said on June 18, the agency’s inspectors have not seen concrete evidence that Iran was pursuing a nuclear weapons program.
    ————-
    • Moscow Blasts US Redo Of ‘Iraqi Weapons Of Mass Destruction’ Stunt (RT)

    “Many today feel a strong sense of déjà vu,” he said. “The current situation is essentially no different: we are once again being urged to believe in fairy tales in order to once again bring suffering to millions of people living in the Middle East.”

    • Democrats Denounce Iranian Attack as Unconstitutional (Turley)

    In the meantime, the calls for impeachment are absurd given the prior actions of presidents in using this very authority.
    Once again, some Democrats appear intent on applying a different set of rules for impeaching Trump than any of his predecessors.
    ————

    #190755
    D Benton Smith
    Participant

    I keep seeing headlines and articles all over the place that in one way or another say that, “To help Israel protect itself Trump wants regime change in Iran.”

    What a waste of ink and verbiage. You can say exactly the same thing in just three words! Think of the time, space (and ink!) that could be saved by using the short version : Israel wants Iran.

    See? Way more efficient.

    #190756
    those darned kids
    Participant

    seems the israelis need to learn ol’ tsk’s maxim:

    “Those who know the most about history are those who are doomed to repeat it.”

    #190757
    jb-hb
    Participant

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GuDSmMCWkAAc1AU?format=jpg&name=large

    #190758
    Dr D Rich
    Participant

    From The Mank in the Arena:

      Here’s where you Pollyannas sit on the couch and don’t get punched in the nuts making hard decisions. You’re in a war, Princess:

    Frame it with that photo of The Dyspeptic Three arrayed behind Trump’s Iran Annihilation Declaration
    1. Cpl JD Vance Hamel BLANTON
    2. Major SexyBeastEgseth NatGard via Fox News
    3. Little Marco the wrestler Rubio

    Presidential Timberrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!

    “Don’t bomb the country Israel just bombed while you’re negotiating with said country”
    According to Mank in the Arena that’s hard to say without couching it or punching one’s nuts.

    #190759
    those darned kids
    Participant

    Just to think that “anti-Trumps” of a past decade or so were “right”, for a different reason but still “right”?

    ¿huh?, i spotted that trash the moment he did this:

    The earliest military engagement authorized by the first Trump administration was the January 29, 2017, raid in Yemen against al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP). Here are the key details:

    Operation Details
    Date: January 29, 2017 (9 days after Trump’s inauguration) 92.

    Location: Yakla village, central Yemen 9.

    Objective: Gather intelligence on AQAP and target high-value militants 9.

    Forces Involved: Navy SEAL Team 6, supported by UAE Special Forces and U.S. aircraft 9.

    Approval Process

    Origins: Planned during the Obama administration but not approved by Obama due to risks and “significant escalation” concerns 9.

    Trump’s Authorization: Approved over dinner on January 25, 2017, with advisers (including Mattis, Kushner, and Bannon). Trump conditionally greenlit it after a 30-minute briefing 9.

    Timeline: Launched during a moonless night (a tactical requirement), which occurred days after Trump took office 9.

    Outcome and Controversy

    Casualties:

    U.S.: Navy SEAL William “Ryan” Owens killed; 3 soldiers injured; an MV-22 Osprey aircraft destroyed 92.

    Civilians: At least 23 Yemeni civilians killed, including 10 women and children 9.

    Criticism: Labeled a “botched” operation due to intelligence failures. A defense official admitted: “It went off-track from the start” 9.

    White House Defense: Claimed valuable intelligence was gathered (e.g., laptops with AQAP data), though this was later disputed

    #190760
    those darned kids
    Participant

    trash, trash, chrump

    NINE DAYS INTO OFFICE THE FIRST WRETCHED TIME, AND HE DOES THIS FOR A RATINGS BOOST:

    Civilians: At least 23 Yemeni civilians killed, including 10 women and children.

    #190761
    those darned kids
    Participant

    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump
    trash, trash, chrump

    #190762
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Stuff from Moon of Alabama comments that might be wrong, but looks like news

    Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Baqer Qalibaf officially announced that Iran is suspending all cooperation with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)

    NATO Chief says US strikes on Iran were not in violation of international law.

    Israeli Power Generation – 60% offline ?

    ‘Everything depends on what Iran needs’ — Kremlin spox Peskov on Russia’s readiness to assist Iran
    ‘We have offered our mediation efforts. We have stated our position. This is one form of support for Iran. But going forward, everything will depend on Iran’s needs’

    UK Foreign Office issues travel warning for Kuwait, Qatar and UAE

    White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt: “We are confident that Iran’s nuclear sites were completely and totally obliterated.”

    US embassy in Qatar tells American citizens that they should shelter in place until further notice.

    WSJ: The U.S. has asked Arab nations to convey a message to Iran that Israel wants the war to end soon.

    Just checked Ship Traffic Live AIS feed and it does indeed indicate that Ashdod Port is going dormant. The strikes Sunday-Monday night seem to have been successful. To be confirmed.
    Eilat
    Haifa
    Ashdod
    Thats all 3 commericial ports.

    Russia & US are in talks on Iran — Putin aide Ushakov

    DPRK strongly condemns US strikes on Iran

    Trump Doesn’t Rule Out Regime Change in Iran

    The IDF announced it has attacked six air bases in Iran and destroyed 15 fighter jets and helicopters of the Iranian Air Force:
    As part of efforts to strengthen its air superiority in Iran, the IDF attacked six Iranian airfields in western, eastern and central Iran.
    The strikes damaged runways, underground bunkers, a tanker aircraft, and F-14, F-5 and AH-1 aircraft

    Iran publishes detailed 3D visualization of #Israel’s Dimona nuclear site in the Negev desert.

    Some unconfirmed reports claim that Israeli jets flew into Iran from the Caspian Sea at low altitude. Azerbaijan?

    Some of the Israeli targets in Tehran / Karaj:
    – Iranian State TV buildings
    – Evin Prison and another prison in Karaj
    – Energy Ministry building
    – Shaheed Beheshti University
    – Police / Basij district offices
    and then the roads to fordow to allegedly prevent workers and people form assessing the damage.

    Following Trump’s announcement last night regarding the U.S. government’s intention to change the “regime” in Iran, this issue has been placed on the agenda of the Israeli Air Force, and as of this morning, bombings in Tehran and Karaj have resumed.
    The targets chosen by the Zionist regime are all related to internal security and include police stations, cyber police, Basij forces, urban patrols, the entrance to Tehran’s Evin prison (which houses Mossad spies), and other urban service centers.

    Latest BDA assessments on Fordow suggest that the three topmost holes might not be impact craters at all, but the visible remains of the ventilation ducts, whose massive concrete covers have been obliterated by channelling a large underground blast that occurred inside the the 2009 section of the installation. 

    #190763
    jb-hb
    Participant

    Anyone watch Trump’s speech about the Iran strike?

    I was carefully watching the 3 guys behind him.

    To me, Rubio looked a little bit panicked and bewildered – in my head, his thoughts were “Hey, I was just supposed to take some bribes, get some kickbacks, vote a few things, not start WW3 or collapse the world economy, wtf is happening?!?” (RubioTelepathy™)

    To me, Hegseth seemed like he was working hard to and successfully maintaining neutral-affect. Although maybe that says something.

    Vance was just continually frowning. Is that his sober, serious wartime face? His “This is not what I would have done” face? His stand-in for neutral?

    #190764
    those darned kids
    Participant

    “I was out even last week and called for impeachment”

    call for shackles and monster island and maybe you’ll be on to something.

    #190765
    charles
    Participant

    I had to look up this bunker buster thing. How does it perform. Obviously not a lot in the public domain. Lots of obfuscation. This is just my opinion from what i found. I went as far back as I could including predecessors. 200 ft in ideal conditions. 8 ft in worst conditions, No information on loose sand. I suspect loose sand would be difficult (pound sand). I doubt they work reliably as well as reported. Even worse without pin point accuracy. Good for shows.

    #190766
    John Day
    Participant

    Ilargi wrote:
    “Iran will not target LA. Why on earth should they?”

    Sun Tzu wrote:
    “When your enemy is defeating himself, do not interfere.”

    #190767
    Topcat
    Participant

    #190768
    zerosum
    Participant

    Missiles lost their way or running out of fuel. (Expected Quatar, and Iraq crash landing)

    #190769
    Topcat
    Participant

    Iran launched missile strikes on #US bases in #Qatar & #Iraq

    #Qatar airspace is closed now!

    Video:

    https://x.com/i/status/1937192548948410428

    Counter fire AD:

    https://x.com/i/status/1937192535006269698

    #190770
    Doc Robinson
    Participant

    “Report: Iran launched 6 missiles at Qatar, 1 at Iraq. Targeting U.S bases in each country”

    https://xcancel.com/Tehrantimes79

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