Debt Rattle April 23 2020
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April 23, 2020 at 11:00 am #57745Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Jack Delano Union Station, Chicago, Illinois 1943 • Not a Black Swan but a Portent of a More Fragile Global System – Taleb (NYer) • Coronavirus
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle April 23 2020]April 23, 2020 at 11:10 am #57746V. ArnoldParticipantJack Delano Union Station, Chicago, Illinois 1943
Very nice; IMO well composed…
Moody photograph; smokey; late afternoon? What time of day?April 23, 2020 at 11:16 am #57747V. ArnoldParticipantWell, here’s mine… 🙂
April 23, 2020 at 12:13 pm #57748boscohorowitzParticipantThanks again for the hard work, Raul.
April 23, 2020 at 12:58 pm #57749D Benton SmithParticipantFrankly, I just don’t know why people are making such a fuss about running out of money. Looks like in a few more months there won’t be anything to buy with it anyhow.
April 23, 2020 at 1:00 pm #57750Dr. DParticipanthttps://static.pjmedia.com/trending/user-content/51/files/2020/04/Top25MetroAreas-1024×576.png
Just like gun violence, subtracting unnatural metro areas from the 3.5M sq. miles of the rest of the 3,000 counties and you’d have no outbreak and no crisis. But this is 100% of the time, if a leaf blows in Brooklyn, 3,000 other counties have to take it in the rear. So, basically, The Hunger Games, with Caesar Flickerman showing us his ice cream collection while we are beaten and starve. Why point it out? No different from every other day. No one cares. 30,000 people could die for decades and it (was) considered a net positive, richly deserved. But clearly, clearly WE need to sacrifice to keep Caesar Flickerman and Effie Trinket safe in their $20,000 suits. Especially when you live where there’s 19 people per square mile. Gotta lock down! Keep that distancing! Dudebro, you have NO IDEA what distancing is til you’re so far away even the cell towers don’t work. You can’t walk to the next house even if you wanted to.
https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.NI_dBtLxvW8aGHMTL7xxUgHaEoBut don’t worry! We’ll fight Coronavirus to the last Flyoverman! Remember, each NYer is provably worth 1,000 Americans! For every New Yorker who dies, 1,466 Americans lose their job! (22M / 15K) D—n them! We’ll keep unemploying flyover people and bailing out globe-flying billionaires until this madness stops!
“The state,” he told me, “should not smooth out your life, like a Lebanese mother, but should be there for intervention in negative times, like a rich Lebanese uncle.”
That’s hilarious Taleb, when has that ever happened? They’re more like an abusive uncle who will rape you if you fall asleep. If it’s “Antifragile” with firebreaks, then don’t apply Brooklyn’s solution to the 47 states who are smaller than NY Metro. Hey, doesn’t that INCREASE the fat tail of 1% owning 50% of the pie? And their total, catastrophic, unending lack of “Skin in the Game” by idiot sons of idiot sons?
“infection rate is much lower! Well, not if the death rate is also much higher.”
Still have no numerator AND no denominator. And no other stable facts either. 5 months on. Explain? To me that means there is NO science happening, only politics. And if that’s true, then what’s happening?
“Many Small Businesses Say Loans Won’t Get Them to Rehire (AP)”
That’s obvious. There hasn’t been a bailout in my lifetime that didn’t screw the recipient. Look at HAMP. This is beyond how money and rules to Amazon have ruined local business more than usual this month.
“Congressional Democrats Do Little To Improve ‘Pathetic’ Coronavirus Deal (IC)”
Dore is all over this. First bankrupt the small, then hand 95% of the trillions to the super-wealthy to buy the small out for pennies. Same as 1934. They do have a good point that, if this bailout was badly written, why would we rubber-stamp Part II? I say since the government hasn’t helped small business in 100 years, and 100% of the time end up hurting them instead, accidentally or on purpose, why would we have the government do anything except enforce the law on Amazon, Fargo, Wal-Mart, and Boeing? The small would do just great if you arrested a felon every 20 years or so.
“Trump Disagrees ‘Strongly’ With Georgia Reopening Shops (JTN)”
That is pretty weird.
“Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar told President Trump the coronavirus epidemic was under control.”
You’re fired. Along with the CDC and WHO. Oh wait, ANOTHER set of tests are contaminated, that were replacing the THIRD set of tests…that were also contaminated. Funny ol’ world how 100% of tests 100% of the time are accidentally bad. It’s almost like it’s on purpose. Nah. I’m a coincidence theorist and that is not suspicious at all. Meanwhile, small on the ground hospital tests were working in a week.
“Nobody’s buying and nobody’s selling [cocaine]”
They’re cutting off the black money to the Derp State.
“Achieving this requires first containing the pandemic.”
Again, no it doesn’t. YOU closed the economy. YOU caused the problem. We have barely a blip above normal deaths. So you CAN just ignore it and open the economy too. I don’t know if that is smart or dumb, but YOU are the only actor here, not the “economy.” …And by “economy” I mean government, since it was strictly government who FORCED the economy to fail. So think about that while you’re calculating supply, demand, pointy-head stuff. “low-income countries are at risk of a crisis that will dwarf anything.” So millions in low-income countries will die, you say? Way, way more than the virus would have? YOU did this. And therefore YOU can un-do this. But you won’t, you claim it’s an asteroid strike. I say we put you in a trebuchet and launch you into aforementioned “low-income countries” so you can clap you in ankle irons, hand you a shovel and you can help undo your own damage to them.
“New York Times Revives its Role in Chinagate (Lauria)”
Well, the NYT isn’t news, so… I don’t know who would listen to them. Elvis and Batboy? People who like to lose their 401ks on their exclusive election polls?
“Over 20 million people are jobless bc of this virus and our government is doing almost nothing to help them”
This ses it all. 20 million people are jobless because of the GOVERNMENT. The government by definition is NOT helping them. They’re the ones who attacked and destroyed them. As per 100 years. And you want more of this? More power when Orange Hitler is in charge of the handouts? What will it take for them to stop worshiping government, dictators, and experts? Nothing apparently. They will come up, explain how they will die, pull out the gun, ask if it’s okay, put it to their head, and shoot them. The government then turns to the next guy who saw it, ask him if he’s still in favor, he says yes, and the government shoots THAT guy voluntarily. On and on down the line forever. i.e. NOTHING can EVER wake them up. There is no POSSIBLE action that can lead to discredit and the re-claiming of your power and withdraw your consent from psychopaths. Why? Because then you couldn’t be a victim, take self-immolating orders, and live in eternal fear from birth to death. You’d have the far scarier problem of freedom and deciding for yourself. Never! Just shoot me. “Don’t give me Liberty, give me death!”
April 23, 2020 at 1:28 pm #57751D Benton SmithParticipantDr. D
Damn, that it is one fine and eloquent rant.
April 23, 2020 at 1:55 pm #57752zerosumParticipant3 monkeys
We are all rifraf using the food bank donations of the gov.
The TV is being censored due to its troubling, traumatic content for snow flakes.
The TV is showing how to cut your hair.
The TV is showing nothing that is really bad.
The TV is showing how to exercise at how.
The TV shows planes that are parked and not working.The TV is not reporting from the poorest countries.
ie. Haiti?April 23, 2020 at 2:19 pm #57753D Benton SmithParticipantThis old world seems to be having an existentialism crisis. Sure hope it’s the mid-life sort of crisis, and not the, you know, ‘bucket list’ kind.
In either case, I trust that you will keep on doing the best you can with what you’ve got. I sure intend to. That’s all any of us can do, right ? All 7.5 billion of us, just doin’ the best we can with whatever we got at the time. Trouble is, every single one of us billions has got a slightly different opinion about what constitutes “best”. Is that best for me or best for thee? Whatever, and no matter. We are still going to do it.
A very strong argument could be made for the statement that the world we now inhabit (precisely as it truly is right this minute) is merely the sum total of a very long history of everybody doing the best they could with what they had. Talk about democracy! That’s PURE democracy. Every single living thing on the rock. Free to wade in and get our hands bloody any bloody time we want.
The intricately intertwined crises we are currently experiencing ( take your pick) are simply the underlying problem made manifest.
We have been lying to each other (for justifiable personal advantage) just a wee bit too much, and this is what we got. ( I do hope you’re not blaming this mess on some other species or spook) We must tip the balance just a smidgen back the other way now.
Now is the time to talk, people. Now is the time to BARGAIN. Now is a time for putting as much out there on the table as humanly possible, so that we can be as aware as humanly possible, of what actually IS and what the hell is going on around us.
It’s a gambling contest, and your own awareness is the only chip you’ve got.
April 23, 2020 at 2:26 pm #57754boscohorowitzParticipantOil/nose/moisture/virus: my weird HHT that makes me so vulnerable to chronic, spontaneous, and too often severe nosebleeds, is most consistently allayed by humidity. This is why we abandoned a home in Spokane for a crappy neo-Stalinist prisoner cell apartment in the Portland metro’s myriad prison quarters aka ‘affordable housing/apartment complex’.
I squirt saline spray up my nose like rock stars do cocaine: frequently and in large amounts.
But also, and in some ways maybe even more importantly, I put virgin coconut oil up there like a porn star uses lube. This helps seal the moisture in and promotes the formation of a dense kind of meta-mucus that helps keep in place the scabs inside my nose, in some places all that keeps it from bleeding from hopelessly vulnerable telangiectasias:
Why should you care? A few reasons:
I almost never get head colds. COVID-19 almost always enters the body through the sinus regions (this includes virus rubbed into the eyes).
An interesting relevant fact: one reason that flu season is a colder-months syndrome is because that’s when everyone is indoors breathing artificially dry air circulated by duct systems. The drier the sinus tissue, the easier it is for a virus to land atop an unprotected cell and have its spiky wicked way with it.
Another relevant fact: airliners have notoriously dry air circulating the pathogens of an (often cosmopolitan) population the size of a small jungle tribe. William Gibson, author, hates doing his global book promo tours despite a love of travel itself because he invariably gets a sinus infection from hell because of the dry air in passenger, uh, air craft.
Another relevant fact: my understanding is that the kinds of pathogens that love salt-water tissues do not like lipids. Lipids form a layer too dense for most microbes to swim through as it suffocates them. This is why covering just-cooked meat with fat is an old-fashioned preservative method.
Not to mention that saline spray moistens the tissues which makes it easier for them to move anti-bodies and such to the infection site while creating that much more moisture barrier between the virus and its would-be host cell victims.
I rarely get head colds even when my wife’s snot is draining constantly and she sneezes aerosol contagions right into my face. (If a bug gets into my bad-habits-weakened lungs, lord help me. But I almost never get head colds.)I’m ‘pretty sure’ my wife and I have contracted the virus. She got sick in a way that fits the bill, is now better, but I still badger her into slamming large doses of helpful vitamins, chugalugging Airborne, electrolyte solutions, fresh fruit and veggies galore, indulging a bit of modest exercise including what the young kids call “sex”, and thinking happy thoughts while neither avoiding nor obsessing on virus-news. I do this because the thing seems fond of relapses.
Me, I felt myself fighting something but am highly resistant, I believe, because I have been revving my 64-year old health at high Ferrari cycles. (Now that I have iron again, I am otherwise an uncommonly vigorous Old Dude.) Last night, I felt for fifteen minutes at day’s end the tell-tale symptoms of an encroaching head cold. It feels like no other sinusoidal inflammation, and brother, am I ever a connoisseur of sinusoidal inflammations since HHT gives me chronic de facto sinusitis even without microbial pathogenic ‘help’. I was already feeling low and blue for most of the day: the Ferrari’s timing was off and RPMs were dropping fast.
I chugalugged some Airborne (the effervescent kind which has that hefty placebo kick from the seltzer water effect*), sucked a Zicam lozenge, had yet another of my many daily cups of this or that cold-relevant herbal teas (Gypsy Cold Care/Breathe Easy/Throat Coat/peppermint/jasmine green tea), made it known to my wife that I needed serious baby-ing, and the head cold vanished within another fifteen minutes.
My Ferrari is running strong again this morning.
Also, if you can buy legal weed, buy some edibles and stay high more often than not. Low doses probably will do. Why? Well, reduced stress and elevated endorphins are good, and the plethora of literature on cannabis indicates that it elevates immune system health, whether just by the elevated endorphins/reduced stress aspect or by more direct means.
If you’re stuck with black market weed: buy a bunch of lower grade herb, boil it down, add some olive oil, boil off the water, keep the olive oil. You now have edible cannabis. It doesn’t taste nearly as bad as cod liver oil does. Orange oil helps. Also, take it with food, Weed needs food to properly metabolize: better, smoother, longer high, better therapeutic effects, more economical via efficiency.
I mentioned exercise. Yes. But nothing severe. Nothing that causes lows, however brief, in your body’s core health.
*my own invention, thank you
I hope this information is helpful.
Since I can’t read TAE comments anymore without being seized by the mood swing of a methed-up baboon discovering its first baseball bat, I would appreciate it if folks sent useful comments to either my email:or place them in the comments section of my poor benighted lonely hermit blog if you prefer more privacy:
Nine Billion Names and Counting
P.S. Awesome post, DBSMith.
April 23, 2020 at 3:15 pm #57755D Benton SmithParticipantboscohorowitz ( the Bos[s] )
May your antibodies prosper.
April 23, 2020 at 4:03 pm #57758D Benton SmithParticipantboscohorowitz (the Boss)
At your invitation I popped over to your excellent blog at Nine Billion Names and Counting , and read with admiration and interest your post : “How A Lone Wolf Prays To God” .
It’s a wonderful prayer, and deserves earnest praise, BUT it was actually the motto in your home page header that just can’t be resisted.
“coppula eam, se non posit jocularum” (translation: “Fuck ’em if they can’t take a joke.”)
And that’s precisely why the Universe delights in screwing us over. We can’t take the same practical joke that we love to dish out.
Look at the world and laugh. Look at the world and cry. Look at the world and laugh and cry at the same time. Anyone examining reality who is not laughing and crying at once, with complete sincerity, just doesn’t understand what they’re looking at.
So yeah, fuck ’em (us, of course) if they (we, of course) can’t see the humor in this situation.
April 23, 2020 at 4:07 pm #57760John DayParticipanthttp://www.johndayblog.com/2020/04/natural-intelligence.html
I can’t seem to get snippets and links from my blog to post today. It’s “Natural Intelligence” as opposed to AI. AI seems to be controlled and programmed by the sociopaths. whose purpose is to kill extra humans when supplies get low. We might not want AI to wake up as the apex-predator-of-our-apex-predators.
Defenses and strategies are suggested, along with views from inside the battlefield.April 23, 2020 at 4:27 pm #57761anticlimacticParticipantI did see an article [I can’t find it again] suggesting Democrats are celebrating that a small study concluded that hydroxychloroquine was ineffective against the virus.
The joy comes from the idea that a cheap drug [plus zinc] could cure the diseases – purely because Trump said it could help!
MEANWHILE :
Sean Hannity reads Mike Pence a letter from unidentified doctor detailing a drug “regimen” the doctor claims prevents coronavirus deaths
Hannity: “Hydroxychloroquine, 200 milligrams twice a day, five days. Azithromycin, 500 milligrams once a day, five days. Zinc sulfate, 220 milligrams once a day for five days … His results, we have had zero deaths”
NB. This does not say whether treatment should start only when serious symptoms appear
April 23, 2020 at 4:53 pm #57762D Benton SmithParticipantanticlimactic
Opponents to the use of Hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of Covid 19 should retain the incontestable right to refuse such treatment if and when it is offered to them in hospital.
I’m trying real hard right now not to come across as a psychopath, but in regard to the VOCIFEROUS opponents to Hydroxychloroquine treatment I strongly encourage them to exercise that right.
April 23, 2020 at 5:39 pm #57763ArttuaParticipantOn democracy Now, Juan Gonzales’s 92 year old mother had the virus in NJ. The dr told Juan that they routinely use hyroxyclooquine, Juam told the dr not to use it, she did recover.
April 23, 2020 at 5:48 pm #57764zerosumParticipantFollow the money
1. The joy comes from the idea that a cheap drug [plus zinc] could cure the diseases –
2. purely because Trump said it could help
3. In the USA, Its not free. The seller is getting paid by someone. No money, no test. No treatment/
4. Other countries had a system in place to pay the seller. (Ontario could not pay until the fed said they would cover the costs.
5. Canada just announced that It found a $1.1 billion for a cure etc for covid-19
6. I did not hear that there was any money for Hydroxychloroquine treatment studiesApril 23, 2020 at 6:36 pm #57766boscohorowitzParticipantPer an ongoing and oh-so-not-at-all-fun sociology experiment I’m conducting in the back of my head, I went to visit TAE’s comments one.last.time. cuz I just had to know. Pulling my hands slowly back from my eyes, I see that sure enough, even a bnright chap like DBSmith apparently can’t get a hint even when delivered with a broadside bludgeon like:
“Since I can’t read TAE comments anymore without being seized by the mood swing of a methed-up baboon discovering its first baseball bat, I would appreciate it if folks sent useful comments to either my email: pastmastergeneral@gmail.com or place them in the comments section of my poor benighted lonely hermit blog if you prefer more privacy: Nine Billion Names and Counting”
Sure enough, even a mind as wise and sharp as DBS’s can’t interpret simple ad hoc information if it isn’t formatted in whatever Social Officialeze (for example, “internet etiquette”) currently prevails. One caveat: I did specify “useful comments” and it must be admitted that posting remarks to a person at an eddress said person asked them not to, is not exactly what ye’d call a useful comment. THAT said, I’ll counter-counter-point that one simply could have NOT addressed those comments to me or in the person-to-person voice, and we could all have gone home with a bucket of ice cream and a new box of shotgun shells.
It reminds me of how I felt when I learned that the brilliant and majestically erudite Nicole Foss thought it worth energy to focus on removing Trump from office even when she knows he isn’t the cause of our problems and that the prospects are s-l-i-l at best of getting a supposedly Lesser Evil whose evil is sufficiently lesser (I’m reminded here of her lesser/greater fool analogy) to make a difference.
We are so screwed.
‘We’ of course doesn’t mean everyone, but neither is any man an island. This sudden brush with real reality outside our conventions of How Things Work/How Things Should Work (most of us can scarcely distiniguish the two) is the lowering tide that sinks all boats. Some will be screwed more than others. For some, it will even be a gain. But fwiw, I say the odds are against folks with college degrees. 15-21 years of almost non-stop institutional indoctrination seem able to warp even the finest of minds. I’m SO glad I dropped out in freshman year.
Stop Makin Me Nervous, I’m Holding a Baseball Bat
Raul, I love you, man (says bosco, eyeing Raul’s stash of Bland X Lite Beer), and I honestly don’t know how you deal with it.
Live long and prosper, y’all, etc.
April 23, 2020 at 6:37 pm #57767Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterChloroquines have been used since the 1950s for malaria, less so lately because the family of Plasmodium parasites that cause it seemed to have developed immunity against it. Now, I don’t go back that far, but I would think that if they had been a threat to the patients they were supposed to cure over 70-odd years, someone would have said something. To my knowledge, that never happened, but after 2 months of recent daily chloroquine news, we would have heard. Or so one thinks. No better way to get rid of it than scary stories about people dying. Even back then new drugs would have required testing programs, not as strict as today perhaps, but since the snake oil days people had become wary.
So why are people allegedly dying of it now?
April 23, 2020 at 6:40 pm #57768Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymasterBosco, I deal with it by not reading comments. Or only rarely. How many times have you said farewell now?
April 23, 2020 at 6:41 pm #57769D Benton SmithParticipantzerosum
ArttuaDrug vendors are hawking their own wares and panning the competition ? I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you!
April 23, 2020 at 7:20 pm #57770ArttuaParticipantI should have mentioned in my last post. A freind had a family member in the Boston area was in bad shape, was given chloroquine and had a framatic recovery.
My 18 yo nefew in Brooklyn got it, had waves of different symptoms then both his parents got it, dad had very light symptoms.April 23, 2020 at 7:22 pm #57771ArttuaParticipantFramatic recovery should have been dramatic
April 23, 2020 at 9:05 pm #57772D Benton SmithParticipantThe Boss (aka boscohorowitz )
Ilargi
et alI am chastised, but in defense of my oblivious disregard of manners I need to say that I did ALSO place my comments on your blog ( as well as this one ). Here was my reasoning ( or call it an excuse ) : my words were not intended SOLELY for your eyes only. I wanted the other minds here to see what I had to say on matters that were first raised here. It was a bit complicated. I erred. I will do better.
However, and to be closer (at least) to honestly expressing my full opinion, I am forced to counter-complain that you DID slip back to TAE to look for what might be evidence for your ‘back of the noggin’ sociology experiment. You have to admit that (in addition to being apoplexy-inducingly-aggravating) the stuff you read at TAE is frequently very INTERESTING.
As Bob Dylan alluded in Desolation Row, if you don’t want the boys to notice then you shouldn’t walk into this kind of dive.
You are hands down the sharpest tack in the sandbox, so I welcome your input always . . . even when it’s to read me the riot act. To be perfectly blunt, we need you.
April 23, 2020 at 9:55 pm #57773WESParticipantOn drug supplies hurting.
I think Dr. D nailed it. To cut off funding to the deep state.
Part of the “open borders” deep state are Democrats and some Republicans too. They depend greatly on the drug cartels for funding.
That is why they champion “open borders”. It is not for the good of the American people. It is for their own good. Thus no money for building a border wall.
April 23, 2020 at 10:48 pm #57774WESParticipantSpeaking of oil (drugs).
1. I suspect there is some kind of deal between ALMO and Trump regarding the Mexican 300,000 barrels oil cut that the US is doing for Mexico.
Mexico had a problem. They had successfully hedge their oil prices at higher levels so naturally they didn’t want to cut oil production. So they made a deal and the US will cut oil production for Mexico!
Obviously there are some strings attached! How about helping the US put the squeeze on drug supplies! The Mexican/US border remains closed! Notice the sudden large navy presence in the Caribbean and off of Mexico’s Pacific coast!
Trump is squeezing the deep state where it really hurts!
2. It looks like the Saudis are very serious about oil prices this time.
They are purposely flooding the world with cheap oil!
Just too make doubly sure the cure for low oil prices is low oil prices, they are busy filling up all of the world’s oil storage facilities!
How are they doing that, you say?
They have reserved storage space in all of the world’s unfilled oil storage spaces! The US, Europe, and Asia! Plus every available oil tanker in the world! In a few short weeks there will be no available oil storage space to be had anywhere!
Yes, I do think the Saudis are deadly serious about oil this time!
3. So oil countries like Iran (infrastructure issues), Venezuela (heavy oil, infrastructure issues), Nigeria (crime, corruption), Canada (tar sands), US (shale), Russia (arctic) will soon be shutting oil expensive production down even if they don’t want too!
Some shutdowns can not be reversed once shutdown as the damage is permanent! Canada’s tar sands and Russia’s arctic oil wells are examples of this.
The political reign of many countries’ goverments may get toppled as a result of running out of money! Venezuela and Iran come to mind!
Another reason why I think the Saudis are deadly serious! They have a little war going on with Iran that isn’t going so well on the ground!
They are likely out to kill two birds with one barrel of oil!
April 23, 2020 at 11:24 pm #57775RototillermanParticipantRegarding the recent UVA hydroxychloroquine study trumpeted by mainstream sources, claiming that the patient group given hydroxychloroquine had more fatalities… Chris Martensen dives into the source paper and completely demolishes the conclusions. Turns out the paper was based on chart reviews after the fact, and there was no accounting for many factors (simply because it was a chart review paper, not a well designed and executed double blind study). The biggest confounding factor is that there was no accounting for how sick different patients were when they were put on hydroxychloroquine; the paper acknowledges that it was the sicker patients further along the disease progression that were given the drug as a sort of a “Hail Mary” play to stave off a bad outcome, but that’s not the way to effectively treat with the drug. To put it in plain English, very compromised patients were given the drug late in the game, and it was too late to do any good for a large percentage of them; these were compared against the untreated population where some died, but most didn’t. That is not an apples to apples comparison at all. The paper claims that they accounted for this in the calculations, but they give no details; to me that is the same as “we made shit up to discredit Trump.”
Like any antiviral, the earlier it is administered, the better the outcome. Also, I believe that there was apparently no mention of whether zinc was included in the treatment; pretty much all of the anecdotal evidence I’ve heard says that zinc is a crucial component: the hydroxychloroquine is the ionophore that ensures the zinc passes easily through cell membranes to defeat the virus replication.
April 24, 2020 at 12:29 am #57776John DayParticipantYep, that’s my analysis. They just looked at how people did, and whether they lived or died, and whether they got any medicine, and if so, what?
One notable thing about that study does involve the timing of treatment, maybe inadvertently, and it is what patients went on to need ventilator support, who had been on what treatment. As I recall off the top of my head 14% on nothing bought the vent. 13% on hydroxychloroquine bought the vent, and something like 7-8% on hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin bought the vent. That at least has some aspect of timing of treatment and an outcome.
What we do not know at all is when in the sharp learning curve of February and March these cases occurred, how far along they were when diagnosed, what individualized decisions each treating physician made for each VA patient. VA patients are well known for being sick at baseline, lotta’ unapproved off-road mileage, and so on.
It’s not a study, as we are accustomed to thinking of studies. It was not prospective at all, and certainly not randomized.
The obvious conclusion is that Trump Sucks and he’s killing veterans.
“Back to you, Robin”April 24, 2020 at 12:46 am #57777John DayParticipant@anticlimactic
Here is what Hannity was on about:
Dr. Zelenko’s approach is to provide treatment to patients before their situation get worse so they don’t have to be admitted into the hospital. His approach has been so effective to the point that he has treated 900 coronavirus patients with 99.99% rate. His approach is to provide treatment to people so that they don’t have to be put on ventilators. His out-patient treatment regimen, which costs only $12, is as follows:
1. Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2. Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
3. Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/05/new-updates-dr-vladimir-zelenko-cocktail-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-sulfate-azithromycin-showing-phenomenon-results-900-coronavirus-patients-treated-must-watch-video/April 24, 2020 at 12:48 am #57778John DayParticipantHi Boscohorowitz, aka “Robin Morrison”.
I know you are not reading this…April 24, 2020 at 2:07 am #57779V. ArnoldParticipantYou are hands down the sharpest tack in the sandbox, so I welcome your input always . . . even when it’s to read me the riot act. To be perfectly blunt, we need you.
Kindly speak for yourself; not the “we” here at TAE.
April 24, 2020 at 2:51 am #57780D Benton SmithParticipantV. Arnold
Unnecessary Roughness. Penalty : public correction.
Speaking for myself is all that I did. I have a high regard for Boscohorowitz and so I said it.
You on the other hand, just took a totally unprovoked cheap shot at me because of some kinda beef you have with him. What, you don’t have enough people who dislike you already that you gotta drum some up by picking fights with strangers?
My advice for you is to stay away from tough bars and IQ tests.
April 24, 2020 at 2:59 am #57781my parents said knowParticipantThe local news tonight talked about pets getting “coronavirus”. They’re treading on thin ice here- on so many levels. Bullies thrive on the anxiety of others.
Remdesivir didn’t just do poorly with cars-cov-2, it didn’t work on viruses, period. hunh.April 24, 2020 at 3:02 am #57782V. ArnoldParticipantA simple request returns ad hom attacks…
Very telling…April 24, 2020 at 3:59 am #57783D Benton SmithParticipantV. Arnold
Yours was not a simple request, it was hostile. Now obviously the hostility was aimed primarily at boscohorowitz rather than me, but you didn’t mind using MY communication and MY complement as your weapon. I resent having my good intentions being hi-jacked like that. You got a problem with someone, you tell it to them. Don’t use me as your foil. As was the jab about ad hom attacks and the presumptuous innuendo of saying “Very telling “, well that’s just more of the same isn’t it. You are boring and rather stupid and aggressive, all for no good reason. Well, no, actually. I suppose there is a good reason for the stupid.
Tell ya what. Let’s just agree to dislike each other. I have no problem at all just forgetting you even exist. From now on I won’t talk to you or about you, and I expect the same from you.
You are of course entitled to take one more shot at me to save face or whatever. Give it your best shot and then let it go. I’m not going to reply.
April 24, 2020 at 4:00 am #57784WESParticipantUp here in Toronto, I went for a short walk to the mailbox and back.
It was bloody cold! Had on my winter jacket, hood up! Gloves on!
I am still mad that the Dutch stole my warm spring weather!
My son brought home two 3M N95 masks! Hurray!
My brother has tried mailing 2 N95 masks from Detroit but they haven’t arrived yet. It wouldn’t surprise me if Canada Customs detains them like forever.
April 24, 2020 at 4:17 am #57785WESParticipantJohn Day:
A few days ago I read about three women coming up with a simple smell test for people who might have the coronavirus but show little or no symptoms.
First, you take a sniff of vinegar! If you can smell the vinegar you still have some sense of smell! If not, your smell buds are truly and badly fried!
Second, you take a sniff of peanut butter! If you can not smell the peanut butter then your smell buds are in the process of being or have already been fried by the coronavirus!
April 24, 2020 at 4:22 am #57786WESParticipantInteresting to learn Raul keeps his sanity by rarely reading the TAE’s comments!
I see Canada has solodly now replaced the Netherlands in the coronavirus ratings. Next stop Belgium!
April 24, 2020 at 4:41 am #57787D Benton SmithParticipantIlargi
The physician who created the first quinine pill treatment for malaria (John Sappington) was from a little town called Arrow Rock, Missouri, not far from here. Back in that day (1832) most doctors still used leeches (yeah, blood sucking leeches) to treat malaria which was rampant due to Missouri’s many rivers, swamps, soggy bottomland and mosquitoes. Anyway, Sappington and his quinine pill were much maligned because his treatment competed so successfully against theirs. In the end Sappington and the pill prevailed, maybe because more of his patients survived and were thereby more likely to pay their doctor bill.
April 24, 2020 at 5:39 am #57788₿oogalooParticipantSpeaking of rankings, former #2 Korea is now dropping like a rock. We should fall to #33 today. Only 6 new cases today, but most everyone is still cautious and wearing a mask.
My guess is that Brazil will ultimately take the top spot. If they keep testing. They have a lot of catching up to do, but with Bolsonaro in charge, it should only be a matter of time.
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