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    Here’s an idle thought. I’m not serious but it’s fun to play with:

    If Putin is a graduate of the WEF leadership course, then he’s in the same club as other world leaders. What if they asked and he agreed to make Russia into the international country of universal loathing and hatred by starting this war in Ukraine? The purpose is to provide a way to help destabilise, overthrow and replace the present world system. Russua becomes the big, powerful and frightening enemy of civilisation and the other empires (EU, US) must do whatever it takes to control it. The covid fracas has provided a testing ground for control measures, so now we can try for a bigger goal.

    Probably too complicated a plan to manage! And I agree with other commentators that the elites aren’t unified at all, but are a collection of squabbling factions arguing over how they will cut up the pie when dinner time comes.

    I’m so fed up with it all.


    ezlxa1949: I’m no expert on this, but the “elite” are, at heart, the same as everyone else. After all, they do put their pants on one leg at a time. When all other fresh meat is gone, they will turn on and eat their own before they relinquish power. Case in point: Bear Stearns.


    @Mister Roboto thanks for your response. Yes I read JMG and I agree with you. I am not religious or an occultist but “something” bigger than us is out there, and it doesn’t seem happy.

    thanks for sharing the work of Aaron Kheriaty, ZOT! As a fellow Anteater it’s hard to be proud of my alma mater recently, you just gave me a reason.


    This paying for gas in Russian Rubles thingy &is quite simple really.

    a) Europe converts Euro to Rubles, then buys gas with Rubles
    b) Europe buys gas with Euros and Russia converts Euros to Rubles

    What is the difference?

    a) can not be sanctioned
    b) can be sanctioned

    It just puts funds in a bank where the West cannot seize it!

    This 5,000 Rubles for a gram of gold thingy.
    – This current deal only applies between the Russian Central Bank and Russian banks until June 1st when the 5,000 Rubles per gram of gold price will likely change to reflect the gold market on June 1st.
    – This deal is to protect domestic Russian banks, refineries, and gold mines in case the West tries to manipulate the gold market like they did with oil in the past. Gold has remained about $1920 since.
    – There are 28.35 grams per Troy ounce of gold. So the current price of gold per ounce is 5,000 Rubles x 28.35 = 141,750 Rubles.
    – For a 80 Ruble/USD exchange rate; 141,750 Rubles ÷ 80 Rubles/USD = $1771.88 USD. At that low price no sane Russian is going to sell their gold to the Russian Central Bank!
    – So before a Russian would consider selling their $1920 USD ounce of gold to the Russian Central Bank, the Ruble’s exchange rate would have to strengthen to below 73.83 Rubles/USD. (The math; 141,750 Rubles ÷ current $1920 USD ounce of gold price = 73.83 Rubles/USD)
    – As for the London/Chicago paper gold markets, it appears to be business as usual. One does have to wonder if they have already sold future Russian gold mine supply that they are no longer going to get due to sanctions. But then again they are pretty good at selling gold they don’t have!


    Picked this up from comments at The Saker. I felt like it needed to be shared here.

    Michael Hudson on April 04, 2022 · at 2:47 pm EST/EDT
    Andrei, you’ve picked up the usage of Empire of Lies, but I think a better term — or at least a parallel one — is Empire of Hate. it is hatred that enables one to feel that he or she can lie, because it is all for a “higher” purpose: working out one’s own psychodrama.
    The hatred is not only from one’s personal experience, but from long-lasting feuds. It may be the Holocaust, leading to a hatred of Germany, or of the history of one’s family’s suffering from anti-Semitism — a hatred of Russia going back via Stalinism to the tsars.
    it may be the Irish hatred of the English. Bobby Kennedy said that he loved the Irish because they were “good haters.” Herman Kahn quipped that they were one of the ten lost tribes of Israel for this quality.
    Or it may be a hatred of people who fight back when you try to rob them. Fighting back is an attack on your RIGHT to steal, to impose your mentality.
    the Neocons hate anyone who resists their self-reighteousness. it is much like the Roman Catholic hatred of Protestants in royalist France and other European countries.
    Hate is the mother of lies, their legitimizer.

    V. Arnold


    @ V Arnold


    Did your research into today’s Leonardo da Vinci Vitruvian man c1510 reveal why the artist chose to position the figures in an asymmetric position from the waist down?

    I find the alignment to be interesting.


    Yes, I noticed that as well; it is interesting, but, I have no idea as to purpose…
    Nothing I read dealt with that as far as I can remember.



    Your comment about the elites needing tons of men to fight future wars verses now trying war without men.

    After WW1 France found itself to be so short of men of fighting age, verses Germany, that it seriously influenced their military thinking during the inter war period from 1919 to 1939. France’s falling birth rate during the inter war years, meant the French military could not count on births to replenish the lack of men.

    This is the main reason, I think, the French settled on a defensive war strategy for the future. In theory you need less men to defend and more men to attack. Thus building the Magnot line all along the French/German border, made sense.

    In addition to static defense, the French strategy also called for mobile armored units. The shortage of men influenced the design for 3 man tanks instead 4 or 5 man tanks. The French wanted tanks that required less men to operate.

    So even after WW1, the elites in France were already thinking of how to fight a future war using less men and more equipment! They just didn’t get it quite right, despite having mechanized the French army to a much higher degree than the Germans.

    Michael Reid

    @ Everyone

    This document originally linked by John Day explains exactly what is going on with the new world order being established, the US involvement in Ukraine, the US trade war with China, what the American elites have been trying to do and so on

    Figmund Sreud

    John Helmer:

    In this war, “[t]he Ukrainians were set up to be used as the means to bleed the Russian military while warfare on another level was conducted against the Russian state and people. The strategy was Siegfried/Festung at the front, economic sanctions and propaganda Blitzkrieg in the rear – which is part of the front anyway. The way Ukrainian forces have been deployed and employed displays their role in the wider war against Russia — that is going to end up costing them at least half of the country to no good end.”





    I’ve posted previously, but not for some time. This is a Money Power Monopolist operation. Believe it or not, the Money Power is following Biblical prophecy in their quest to be crowned “Messianic Bloodline.” A Rothschild went public circa 2011 with a “disclosure.” Another word for it is “apocalypse” — they are synonyms. The Money Power takes this all very seriously, and they control the money systems, and finance the world they want, and what they want is to follow Biblical prophecy… at least the ones that favor them. Apparently, all the “love” based prophesies are discounted are discounted because they believe their ancestor put it in to make their global takeover easier. They control the money — they can be as irrational as they want.
    I posed how to search for and read that disclosure. Once I came across it, I was done reading it in a day… I think I stopped at 4::00 AM, but I didn’t want to. If I had to guess, exactly zero people here read through the whole thing! As Rothschild said, the beautiful lies are too powerful for most people… and the ugly truth too ugly.
    Anyway, Rothschild said vaccines were for “stupid humans,” and that pharma was clearly compromised by their greed for money, but, if we were stupid enough to turn over our free will to these corrupt companies, we deserve what they delivered to us. He also said that pharma products could be genetically engineered to cause havoc inside the human body… His example was HGH, but the principle applies to all pharma products.
    He also gave the solution — back in 2011. He said one must 1. KNOW THEIR RIGHTS, and 2. STAND THEIR GROUND!
    That was the exact recipe for success, when success was even in option.
    He revealed a lot more — we were idiot morons for allowing a debt-based, societal asset stripping money system to loot the nation… Check.
    He revealed the foold system was completely corrupt and toxic. He said inorganic minerals kill, and specifically highlighted iron as a toxic inorganic mineral (fortified into processed foold in accordance with Daniel 2:43, but don’t expect your local pastor to take that clear prophecy seriously, even though it has obviously been fulfilled to the “T”).
    He also highlighted copper (he didn’t say, but he was referring to ceruloplasmin-bound copper — bio-copper. Magnesium and retinoic acid are required to load those coppers into ceruloplasmin — the most sophisticated enzyme in the human body) as a KEY evolutionary component that makes them better than us.
    Funny, when asked what “blue blood” meant, he dissembled. That question hit a bit too close to home. He didn’t want to let the reader know that the whole foold system is designed to deplete their blue blood status (ceruloplasmin-bound copper status).
    Ceruloplasmin literally translates to “blue blood.”
    His countermeasures were pretty good, too. Eat real food. Get your minerals from food. Avoid toxins in processed foolds. Eat for your blood type (and unmentioned — your denutrification and toxification status — the reader has to put some work in!).
    As for CovFeFe and the cytokine storm that ended the calm — the Money Power so loves to mock us to show how stupit we are! — the virus (or whatever exactly is in play) effectively causes the sequestered iron that overloads your body to release, and it is the Operation Daniel 2:43 iron overload condition that causes the damage.
    And the Money Power blames us — after all, Daniel wrote exactly what would happen thousands of years ago, and we ignore it! Since God is obviously mad at our transgrressions and disbelief, the Money Power blames us. And they have a point — to a point
    You know the virus is damaging sequestered iron because ferritin, an INTRA-cullular iron storage protein (activate by bio-copper — blue blood status!), rises very high in the serum in the worst CovFeFe cases. Get it — Corona Virus Iron Overload… FeFe… That ferritin only gets in the serum, where it is NOT supposed to be, AFTER IT DUMPS THE IRON IT WAS SEQUESTERING INSIDE THE CELL! That iron drives the cytokine storm that ended the calm.
    CovFeFe is a much better name than Covid-19, too.
    So, why CovFeFe, and why now?
    Read Daniel 2:43-44. The Money Power have read those verses.
    Verse 43 talks about mixing iron with the seed of men, and this act destroying the ability of people to “cleave,” which Genesis says is the proper loving attitude in marriage.
    Perhaps you have problems cleaving to your husband — as many people do with their spouses (both men and women). Do you have lots of metallic iron filings from processed foolds in your maternal line? If so, now you know why… it isn’t your fault… it is the Money Power agenda everyone wants to pretend doesn’t exist. Well, not everyone, but well over 99.9% of people.
    Now read verse 44. It says the time between the mixing of iron with humans and the establishment of God’s Kingdom is less than the total lifespan of a Royal family member. It might be plural.
    So, the iron filings were added in 1941. Let’s say it take 10 years to “mix” with humanity. That’s 1951… the Bible says God’s Kingdom will be set up on Earth BEFORE all the Royals alive in 1951 (or whatever the date actually is) die.
    Again, don’t expect your programmed local pastor to be able to understand such simple verbiage. It will go over their head — they weren’t programmed to actually believe the Bible! They know how to get a paycheck!
    The Money Power have read this. They don’t believe Jesus is coming back to set up a divine Kingdom. They believe THE WINNER OF THE LAST BLOODLINE STANDING GAME is the Messianic Bloodline who God has chosen to rule the Earth… and they are on A TIME FRAME!
    Gotta get busy!
    And they are, aren’t they?
    If you want to read what this Rothschild disclosed, perhaps you can be the first on this thread to actually bother to read the whole thing all the way through…
    Go to and search it, NOT the wayback machine, for the last name Rothschild after swapping out the “TH” and replacing it with an “F”.
    I would type the name out, but it is a unique search term they created under the guise of being “hip,” and I’m not going to make it easy for them to search it.
    They need to do some work.
    BTW, they really are focused on Biblical prophecy. They believe God chose them to be the source of Biblical prophecy upon the sinning masses (us). Do you know why the US and Britain were treated so differently than every other country? It is because the Money Power believe in British Israelism.
    What you have been programmed to call Israel today is actually “Judah” — the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The LOST ten tribes of Israel, aka, Israel, are not known to the general population.
    The key is that prophecies related to “Israel” don’t necessarily apply to Judah (called Israel today, but Judah in Biblical parlance).
    Rothschild alludes to this in his disclosure.
    If you want to gauge what the Money Power are likely planning for the United States and Britain, I recommend you read a free book called The United States and Britain in Prophecy by Herbert W. Armstrong.
    Destruction — in short.
    — Rothschild Quotes —
    “You have never owned anything, because you have never paid for your “purchases”. Using the private credit notes does not extinguish a debt.
    Easy come, easy go.
    Ever wonder why the life lived in the US is so “easy” compared to the rest of the planet?
    Oh yes, I nearly forgot…you are God’s “chosen” people…not like those nasty black children in Africa who deserve what they have.
    Laughing out loud!”

    “PAPER, People! You are handed PAPER!! What don’t you get?? The paper costs nothing to produce!! And has the taxpayer’s blood (read YOU) as backing! SO you provide the guarantee, at gunpoint! Keys to the KINGDOM indeed!
    Seriously, how can anyone who VOLUNTARILY participates in this system believe they can grasp higher level concepts?”

    BTW, years ago, an assistant to Ilargi posted an article of mine here called Weapons years ago, and Ilargi pulled it within in minutes and ran another article. I had told the assistant that nobody was interested in the truth, and he posted it to show me I was wrong. Ilargie showed him I was right. It weasn’t long after he left to start a Christian website, but that may have been unrelated to the event I describe here.
    I’m sure he remembers doing that — the most important article exposing the debt-based money fraud, and Ilargi pulled it in minutes. His programming is complete! lol
    He thinks he’s doing good, but he won’t touch the generator of evil… nullifying all the good he’s trying to do.
    And nothing is more important to society than exposing this debt-based money fraud that will be used to asset strip us all when the economy is collapsed, the debts called in, and our assets (homes, land, cars, etc… called in as collateral), at least short of repentance and turning to Agape Love, but Agape Love would demand demand the fraudulent money system be exposed, not hidden…

    “If you were to tell the whole world one message, what would it be?
    Quoting: artMan
    Firstly, I am not so limited! And don’t forget, one message is just one data dot upon a very large canvas! It seems to be the american experience to expect the great event…the last second miracle shot…the speech which calls a generation to arms! Reality dictates that such events do not occur in nature. If all you needed to “know” were contained in one data dot, the dot would fall upon you and crush the life out of you!!
    Laughing out loud!!
    Better stick to the small data dots humans!!
    Second, you did not provide the desired end objective of such a message! To deceive, help or taunt? Why would one issue such a message? Just to prove it could be done?
    But playing along, I would advise those so inclined to listen that their bloodlines are, today, in great danger of mass extinction! Mass number of bloodlines, that is to say.”

    “Stress comes from large deltas of differential!
    lightning, battery power, and social strife. There have to be polarities!!
    The bigger the differential, the bigger the reaction!
    At some point, the remaining bloodlines will be similar enough in power and stature to know that coexistence is the next logical evolutionary step….referred biblically as the thousand year peace. At that point, there wont be many left, at least relevant to the current population level. 500 million at most.
    THEN things get interesting!”

    Note how he added the “…at most.” 😉
    He said he was honorable and would tell the truth on the thread. I believe he did so here, but would not have done so without that “…at most.”
    I suspect their real target is significantly less, and the 500 million is just for the stupit management class to think they are at the table instead of on the plate with a fork headed for them, too.

    “Information control is “old-school”. What I am referring to is a completely new paradigm of control in a post-fiat world. Not that FIAT will cease to exist, but that the essential functions served by FIAT will be supplanted by a NEXT GENERATION MECHANISM.
    Clearer now?
    Gold is THE cosmic currency…perhaps the ultimate source of knowledge. HOW that knowledge is unlocked is an entirely other question!
    Laughing out Loud!
    You do ask a relevant question which all serious humans should address; namely “who will get food and who will starve”. Can you follow that thought thread?
    Laughing out Loud!

    External subjugation/slavery
    Self subjugation/religion-morality
    The religion of FIAT
    Whats the NEXT BIG THING?
    Laughing out Loud!
    Thanks for playing!”



    The long and short of it is they are coming for us! It is all about enslaving us!


    Is everyone here blind to the Money Power Monopolist Operation Global Economic Siege agenda?
    The war is the Money Power and their pathological money seeking minions against humanity as a whole…

    “The issue which has swept down the centuries and which will have to be fought sooner or later is the people versus the [familial owners/controllers of the] banks.”
    ~Lord Acton

    “If all the bank loans were paid, no one could have a bank deposit, and there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. This is a staggering thought. We are completely dependent on the commercial Banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the Banks create ample synthetic money we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system. When one gets a complete grasp of the picture, the tragic absurdity of our hopeless position is almost incredible, but there it is. It is the most important subject persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon.”
    by: Robert Hemphill
    Credit Manager of Federal Reserve Bank, Atlanta, Ga.
    Source: In the foreword to a book by Irving Fisher, entitled 100% Money (1935)

    “When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”
    ~Napoleon Bonaparte
    “This Act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth.…When the President signs this Act, the invisible government by the Money Power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be legalized.…The money power overawes the legislative and executive forces of the Nation and of the States. I have seen these forces exerted during the different stages of this bill.…
    ~Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, referring to the act which established the Federal Reserve. Congressional Record, Vol. 51, p. 1446. December 22, 1913.

    “Under the Federal Reserve Act, panics are scientifically created. The present panic is the first scientific one, worked out as we figure a mathematical equation.”
    ~Congressman Charles A. Lindbergh, The Economic Pinch, 1921.

    “Let the American people go into their debt-funding schemes and banking systems, and from that hour their boasted independence will be a mere phantom.”
    ~William Pitt, (referring to the inauguration of the first National Bank in the United States under Alexander Hamilton).

    “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
    ~William Pitt

    Veracious Poet

    If anyone thinks that the U$ Empire’s banksters & MIC are going to just roll over, while the new allies (Russia, China, India et al.) overturn their well-oiled fascist system of global parasitism, you haven’t been paying attention & are unaware of 90 years of historical momentum the tentacled apparatus TPTB are prepared to unleash!

    Furthermore, ALL the previously used “talking head” argument points, definitions & ideologies are & always were false ~ Liberals vs. conservative, neocon vs. neolib only had an illusionary, in truth a delusionary, function based on the patently false paradigm of “America” functioning as a democratic republic. If you don’t know that to be a total falsehood now, there’s not much hope for you understanding “real reality”.

    The U$ Empire is an absolute kleptocratic pathocracy run by & for TPTB/TBTF…

    Trying to dance around Empire of Lies vs. Empire of Hate is all mental masturbation, because it’s all one & the same, only worse!

    The emergence of COVID19 & death vexes/medicine in response (all clearly planned), should be a horrific omen to all sane, just & compassionate children of the Infinite, but it hardly registered a bleat in gen pop…

    What started as a regional conflict in Ukraine, where “The Anointed” got caught their bloody hands in the cookie jar, is now a global war, economic & geopolitical for now, soon to metastasize into a nightmare that no one can predict.

    Right now, anyone that’s interested in staving off Armageddon should be obsessed with seeking common ground, a singular voice of reason, in the face of this inevitable threat…

    But no. Let’s virtual signal. Talk about pet ideologies. Impress people with our mental masturbation 🙄

    This is not a Once in a century” event. This is the reckoning humanity has been facing since Hiroshima.

    This is “the” make-or-break moment where We the People decide to stop following narcissists, criminals & psychopaths, or we’re all dead, dead, DEAD!

    Musk didn’t by controlling interest in Twitter today as an “investment”, he bought it because if normal, sane people continue to be shouted down & cancelled by psyops & propaganda (The Narrative), humanity is TOAST 😕


    WES: a troy ounce is 31.1 grams.
    An ounce of pot is 28.3 grams, if you have an honest dealer.

    V. Arnold

    WES: a troy ounce is 31.1 grams. #105502

    Good catch; I caught it but got distracted and forgot… 😉

    V. Arnold

    It might be helpful to understand the difference between troy ounce and avoirdupois ounce.
    This from
    What is a Troy Ounce?
    First-time precious metals buyers are often confused by the difference between a troy ounce (ozt) and a “regular” ounce, especially when their 100 oz silver bar actually weighs 6.85 lbs on the scale instead of 6.25 lbs. Did they receive more silver than they paid for? The answer lies in an antiquated system of measurement still used today for precious metals known as troy weights.

    But first: what exactly is a “regular” ounce? We remember from grade-school that an ounce is 1/16 of a pound, and when we visit the grocery store and ask for half-a-pound of cheese, we expect to receive eight ounces in return. This extremely common unit of measure is known as an avoirdupois ounce, and it is used for measurements not involving gold, silver, platinum, or gunpowder.

    The troy ounce was retained from the Roman system for these four commodities in order to preserve the standards previously set across time, as the two-system standard would have created problems for the monetary system of the day.

    A troy ounce is 1/12 of a troy pound (a troy pound is actually lighter than an avoirdupois pound). The troy ounce (480 grains) is heavier than the avoirdupois ounce (437.5 grains). A grain is 64.79891 milligrams (mg); therefore one troy ounce is 31.1034768 grams (g). This measures out to be about 10 percent more than the avoirdupois ounce, which is 28.349523125 g.

    1 troy ounce = 1.09714286 ounces (avoirdupois)

    Troy ounce to metric metric measurements

    As mentioned above, one troy ounce is equal to 31.1034768 grams. Therefore, one kilogram is equal to 32.1507 troy ounces.


    About them ounce thingys:

    Yes, I really screwed up my ounces which is embarrassing considering I have probably seen and handled more gold and silver bars than the average bear! I have even worked in an underground gold mine too. And all of the copper mines around the world I worked in, also mined some gold as a by-product too.

    Should I bend over?

    V. Arnold

    Should I bend over?

    Oh man! Not nearly enough… 😉

    Hey, I needed a refresher on those ounce differences too…

    Dr. D

    we all have just experienced the greatest abuse of human rights on a global scale to date.”

    …And no one cares. Even if you tell them, no response. The “response” is emotion, that energy that makes you do things, act, think, etc. Oh well. I can’t do that for them.

    “Pete Butt-gieg to Americans: Get used to CRUSHING gas prices until we achieve ‘clean energy’ independence”

    He says this while we have no creation and no transmission of electric grid to power those cars. And no lithium. Conclusion: you won’t get one. They are for the Very Important People, like Pete. You untermensch can go die in a hole and be quick about it.

    There is a genius in the Phi, but it has to do with the base construction of the universe. You can see the 60degrees everywhere, which leads to some of the other organization like the Phi overlap (Fish symbol for secret early Christina knowledge?), and that may have to do with the 60deg bonds of carbon, but actually I expect it has to do with the angle of magnetism, which is perhaps the sole driver of the universe. “Magnetism” in a larger sense may be the angle of the atom, the tiny solar-system-type thing that looks like a toroid. We can’t see that unless billions of atoms are aligned together enough that our eyes can see patterns, like in a ‘magnet’. This is “rotating” with a specific lines of magnetic force, high and low lines in the 3D field that are certain and can be mathematically expressed. Since that’s the base angle of the Universe, it’s no wonder it radiates upward into larger objects like shells and sunflowers.

    There is a motor coil that matches this shape, invented before we had the magnets/fluid to see it so clearly. But you can see the unexpected “strong lines” and therefore between them, the null lines of force.

    Obviously, this is identical to the sunflower spiral, which is Fibonacci, and Phi. Which is why it seems “right” to us. It is matching the Tao, the Logos, the way of the universe in the most alignment and least resistance.

    “it is hatred that enables one to feel that he or she can lie, because it is all for a “higher” purpose:” Me! I’m the important one, Ego, so everything else is justified. That of course is the illusion, or delusion of separation from “other” when we are all-one god-faith.

    The Red Shields are a good example, and it’s pretty easy to understand their use of practical world and their interpretation of the Bible and prophesy.

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