Debt Rattle August 6 2021
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Félix Vallotton The balloon 1899 • Worse Disease Progression After Covid Vaccination? (Ziegler) • Antibody-Dependent Enhancement and SARS-CoV-2
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle August 6 2021]If everyone in Israel had been vaccinated, then everyone in hospital would be vaccinated too. So what would be the point of the vaccine you might ask? Well, what if there were only one tenth of the people in hospital that there were before the vaccine?
I didn’t get passed the tweet. Is there any evidence that ADE is happening? I haven’t seen any.
Jesus fucking Christ; the world is gone fucking insane…
No place is safe from the Nazi vaccinaters; flee, flee for your very existence…
Thanks Ilargi for your TAE website…soon to be brought down for actually telling the truth about Covid.
I trust I’m as wrong as two left shoes about the demise of TAE; may she shine as beacon of truth…
I remain steadfast; no fucking poison vaccines…With 1-10% reported.
• 20,595 Dead, 1.9 Million Injured in EU Database of Adverse Reactions (GR)
So you are implying that the real number of deaths could be between 200,000 and 2 million, in what the site claims is roughly half of Europe. That to me sounds absurd.
That to me is the same kind of fear propaganda employed by the “other side.” As I have mentioned, most people within my circle of family and friends have been vaccinated. Other than feeling crappy for a day, maybe two, nobody has died.
I don’t doubt people do die, but not in the numbers implied, and I suspect it is within the same cohort that the disease itself takes out. Also, I saw no mention of the 1 to 10 percent reported in the link. I believe that is a figure bandied about for the U.S. based VAERS. Is it also “true” of the Euro reporting system? Lets also keep in mind, just like the fact that someone dying from something other than Covid but with Covid is counted in the body count, the vaccine reaction reporting is subject to similar error.
In my opinion, this kind of wild speculation might as well be a plant to discredit “anti-vaxxers.”
I feel similar about the rampant ADE speculation– 1 in 3 dying?! Let’s hope not because that will be a horror show beyond horror shows. And there is no sense in discussing such a scenario at this time. We have enough to be concerned about. It is fear porn, which we have no shortage of at tthe moment. Please, let’s take a breath. A little restraint would go a long way here.
I did very much enjoy the links yesterday to the long essay by Charles E. and the video interview with Mark Crispin Miller. A banquet of food for thought. Great insights well formulated.
look at dr. goodwin’s eyes in the very last frame of the video where it ends.
she’s begging the world for help.
It is perhaps unfortunate that my post follows that of our friend democratis.Their post was not up while I composed mine. I am not lending any support to their stance–in fact I am trying to suggest removal of any fodder for their mill. I understand their completely mainstream views, but if you are going to join a discussion consisting of people who hold almost diametrically opposed beliefs, it is advisable to do so with some sort of reason, not to mention at least a touch of wit, humor, or intelligence–please pick at least one–and not snot-nosed antagonism.
“Vaccine Hesitancy” Is A Class Issue
So can I get my snazzy new pair of overalls in indigo, please? (3XL size would probably be a good idea.)
it is advisable to do so with some sort of reason, not to mention at least a touch of wit, humor, or intelligence–please pick at least one–and not snot-nosed antagonism.
{/looks back over shoulder at previous thread} Or at least without behaving as though one is apparently in the throes of a progressing mental breakdown on display for everybody to see. {/shudder}
We are opening more and more COVID wards.
Well, to be quite honest, this really sounds as though it’s the sort of scenario that vaccinating something like 85% of your population was supposed to prevent.
I’m 100% with V. Arnold: “Jesus fucking Christ; the world is gone fucking insane… No place is safe from the Nazi vaccinaters; … I remain steadfast; no fucking poison vaccines…”
Not sure why anyone debates democritus or deflationista. Look where we’re at after only a matter of days of this. Interesting. And sad.
“Other than feeling crappy for a day, maybe two, nobody has died. ”
Funny, i could say the same about it which shall not be named.
Oops, sorry! Got my dem confused with deflation! But whatever. Great to have dissenting views, but it helps when there is a way toward dialog that is constructive in some fashion. My comment was mostly toward recent commentary by the deflationista persona.
Mr House wrote:
“Other than feeling crappy for a day, maybe two, nobody has died. ”Funny, i could say the same about it which shall not be named.
Me too! That was my point.
Last night Those Darned Kids said:
“nanojellybeans are what allow the m&mrNa vegemite to cross the brain/bowel barrier, thus causing each cellphone to generate spork protein which in turn pretends us from coughid-19.
i’ve been studying!”
Have you ever listened to Firesign Teater? You would dig it, I think…Deflationista is helping avoid groupthink complacency @ TAE.
It’s like a vaccine for us.
Worked a lot and late this week, and Friday is the BIG day. I think medicine is having to catch up after COVID. Other stuff is still there and somewhat unattended, in the surviving humans.
Coffee, Vitamins, bike-pump, here I go…https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/03/17/905264/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing-18-months/
Almost like it was a plan……
democritus and deflationista represent the mania that frustrates us all so.
it is only natural we try to engage that mania. they become our fausti, our whatsherfaceski, our phlyizer, our vaccine pissport.
unfortunately, logic and reason seem of little use at this point, but we’ll try because we love our lives, and we love our brothers’n’sisters, and we are dismayed that greed and hubris are destroying people’s health and setting us up for possibly even more catastrophic events in the future.
if i’ve gone to far with the “we”, i do apologize, as obviously i can only speak for myself and am just a recent arrival.
McGill: The Disinformation Dozen https://t.co/NuY4Fl9jhK pic.twitter.com/b5AOfBSUOF
— Barry Ritholtz (@ritholtz) June 20, 2021
Don’t worry Mister Roboto:
I won’t be sticking around much longer. You’l be able to go back to your comfy delusions without any challenge.
I came in to get a read on how, a bastion of truth from my past, managed to go completely bat shit crazy. I thought it would be fun to kick the tires a bit, just like old times.
But, man, I never expected it to be this……….. cuckoo.
What the fuck goes on when there isn’t anyone to provide a different message? One big circle jerk of confirmation bias? It’s no wonder there is a QAnon. People seal themselves off into communities like this and just fester. I came in to investigate the stench leaking out through the cracks.
You guys will be able to get back to the echo chamber. Seems to really be working out well for ya. You might want to look through this list of confirmation biases. Many of you suffer from two or more of these and might explain how you can probably rationalize walking further and further out on that thin branch that you’re on.
Cognitive biases are systemic errors in thinking that negatively impact decision-making quality and outcomes.
THREAD: 20 cognitive biases to learn (so you can think clearly and make better decisions):
— Sahil Bloom (@SahilBloom) July 24, 2021
Look at the new cases curve and the new deaths curve. What do you think is happening? It doesn’t look like the vaccine is killing more people than covid. Maybe it will in the autumn and then you can say ‘I told you so’.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/
If you never read anything you disagree with, you won’t have to change your mind. We all know how abhorrent that is.
firesign theater. hahahahaha, thanks, “tv or not tv”, “fighting clowns”, “everything you know is wrong:”..
you’re going to regret having shown me this.
I read stuff i disagree with all the time, i also never quit living my life like many did during the last year and a half. And i know of not one person who has died. I know that the survival rate is 99.8% unless you’re a very large person, have cancer, and other maladies. Why do i need to take an experimental shot because of that? I know of two 95 year old grand mothers who tested “positive” last year and both didn’t even have a sniffle. So please explain your reasoning? Cause that’s what you’re really arguing about isn’t it? You want us to submit to the shot.
Great, now they’re a tag-team. I’m going to be very sad if TAE turns into a Usenet ALT-hierarchy newsgroup-like thing. But if it does, I’m going to stick to my “portent” theory from last night.
If TAE does go all “ALT-groupy”, this may prove a useful guide to navigating that situation.
Why would a multi billionaire need to go to Epstein island several times for dinners to try to get contacts to raise funding for global health? No one believes you Bill but keep trying of course…… pic.twitter.com/yRAXMnSpm3
— Gillian McKeith (@GillianMcKeith) August 6, 2021
d and d, you talk about statistics and blah, blah,
but
have you had these injections?
how did you feel?
if yes, are you at least a little worried about what’s been put into your body?
do you know of any who has had adverse reactions, been hospitalized or died?
have you or your loved ones had covid? if yes, what was worse, the disease or the reactions to the injections?
have you or will you provide these injections to your children?
how do you feel when you see little kids in masks?
how did you feel when the ceo of pfizer booked a 5.6$ million dollar profit the day the vaccines were announced, yet people all over the world can’t even receive a single dose of this “essential” injection?I can’t see who is replying to whom on this site. But Mr House no I am not asking you to take the vaccine, I am suggesting you make an informed choice and not a misinformed choice. Also I am opposed to vaccine passports and I was opposed to lockdown. It’s not black and white, not two opposing narratives of which you have to pick one.
Robert Dingwall, who is a critic of vaccinations for 12-15 year olds, has been sacked from his position as a Covid adviser by the Government.
There can be no dissent.
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/revealed-robert-dingwall-axed-as-government-advisor
“It’s not black and white, not two opposing narratives of which you have to pick one.”
You are correct, but the government isn’t telling people that is it? .GOV is telling people its ok to call others plague rats. We’re not the dangerous ones.
I come to TAE to AVOID group think. Ya know, the group think we’re bombarded with every single day on every mainstream outlet. The mainstream BS stats (covid and vaccine) that not one journalist questions. The vaccine deaths that not one person has investigated or proven to be inflated. The chain yanking “the science” has gleefully undertaken over the past 18 months.
I’m in NY. I know what group think is. It’s vaccine mandates for a job, test mandates for a job, mask mandates, lock downs, failed businesses, people wearing masks when they’re alone walking up a street with no one else on it. Group think is when nearly everyone I know has been injected with a vaccine that uses novel technology never used in human vaccines … and which has NO long term safety data. (a fact even deflat and democ can’t debate). Group think is when parents inject that novel substance into their children. You know, the young people who should have a long time left on this planet but, hey, who cares about long-term effects?
So TAE was the place that kept me a little bit sane. The place that let me know I wasn’t alone in resisting the f’ing group think that got us where we are right now. But I’m only one commenter here so I’ll wander off now.
In my opinion this is what its been all about:
Did you see his interview on CNN with good ole anderson cooper? Pathetic
Look at the new cases curve and the new deaths curve. What do you think is happening? It doesn’t look like the vaccine is killing more people than covid. Maybe it will in the autumn and then you can say ‘I told you so’.
If this ADE does happen, it will be many months to maybe even a full year from now. For now, it would appear that the Delta Scariant is less lethal than its Alpha predecessor. The media is trying to tell us that it can make you more likely to get severe illness and it overwhelms the immune systems of more young and previously healthy people. Maybe that’s just more of the scare-mongering propaganda of which we’ve been way too much from the mainstream media, maybe there’s something to it. Time and observation will tell, I guess.
This place is becoming completely unreadable. Please do something about it before I have to. It has to be a social space where people can have conversations. We were doing great for a while, but it’s all gone. In a social space you make room for people, your don’t fill up every inch.
That’s the thing with trying to sort out the truth about Covid, there’s a frustratingly high signal-to-noise ratio that seems to come along with it. A lot of that is deliberate human social, political, and medical fuckery, and a lot of it is the “phantom menace” nature of the virus and its effects.
No, this is simply not anyone’s personal Facebook page. Don’t treat it as such. Before posting anything, ask what value it has to others. Space is limited here, 160-170 comments is far too much. I can’t read my own comments section any more. There are commenters I like to read, but I don’t want to scroll thru dozens of comments to find them.
Two stories above my pay grade- you make a choice
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• Attorney Renz: MORE Than 45,000 Americans Have Died From Covid-19 Vaccines (DE)1. Various hospital whistleblowers have come forward and revealed to Thomas Renz and his team that hospitals are seeing fully vaccinated breakthrough cases at an “astounding rate.” Renz said that numerous whistleblowers have stated that they are seeing fully vaccinated individuals in ICUs at a rate anywhere from 40% to 100%. “People who are fully vaccinated are accounting for 40% or more of admissions for Covid and Covid related illness. 40% or more, that is pretty amazing considering the government’s telling us you won’t ever be admitted and you’ll be safe if you get this vaccine.” Renz said that one hospital whistleblower revealed that there have been several periods where, in her hospital, 100% of the ICU patients were comprised of breakthrough cases. The attorney said that these Covid breakthrough cases are “exactly what we are seeing in the UK and Israel” and is proof that the Covid jab “is not safe or effective.”
2. disinformation sites. Other sources of misinformation shared the video.
Anti-vaccine actors often intentionally distort data published on VAERS, which was set up for early warning purposes and may contain “incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental, or unverifiable” information. VAERS reports have frequently been cited in misleading ways to spread misinformation about the safety and efficacy of Covid-19 vaccines.
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• Project Fear: MSM Is Doing The Government’s Covid Propaganda Work (RT)
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Its a battle field where I’m underqualified to participate.@Raul: I would completely understand if you decided to start moderating with a fairly heavy hand the way JMG does at his blog. The quality of discourse over there remains pretty high as a result of his pro-active efforts. Internet forums that are a free-for-all have a way succumbing to the myriad foibles of human nature. But I’ll start the ball rolling and try to avoid posting for the rest of the day unless I find a video or an article I think the regulars would appreciate and post that with nothing more than a short description of what I’m linking to.
“A lot of U.S. troops have reached out to us saying, ‘I don’t want a vaccine that’s untested, I’m not sure it’s safe, and I don’t trust the government’s vaccine. What are my rights?’” Rinckey said.
“I would hope if people see the military step up and say, ‘Yes, let’s get shots in arms,’ it will set a standard for the rest of country,” he said. “But I don’t know because I think we face such a strong threat of disinformation being deployed daily.”
TAE is a threat, but not a kool-aid stand of dis information. Our conduct matters, the stakes have never been higher.
“Not sure why anyone debates democritus or deflationista. Look where we’re at after only a matter of days of this. Interesting. And sad.”
Argubots know why. Arguing is more immediately engaging and immediately satisfying than careful consideration of ideas and data. Add a group vs single person dynamic, and you can guarantee days of mostly meaningless fun.
Something TERRIBLY WRONG when 18 yr old rushed to emergency room AND told he was having a heart attack & suffering from myocarditis, or inflammation of heart muscle after 2nd Pfizer
Rare?! Hahaha.
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