Debt Rattle December 21 2023
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December 21, 2023 at 9:23 am #148901Raúl Ilargi MeijerKeymaster
Pablo Picasso The old fisherman 1895 • SCOTUS Should Rule Unanimously (Turley) • Colorado Undermines Democracy in the Name of Democracy (Peter
[See the full post at: Debt Rattle December 21 2023]December 21, 2023 at 12:01 pm #148902EoinWParticipantWhat’s the Republican Agenda? All the above, except the energy industry which they profit from, plus outsource all manufacturing. Also, billions for military bases all over the world and support every war so all foreigners hate Americans.
December 21, 2023 at 1:24 pm #148903aspnazParticipantI had to be evacuated from the House chamber after a violent mob stormed the Capitol that day. I considered it then, and consider it now, a dark and shameful day.
What a muppet, a dumb muppet, too dumb for Jim Henson to put him in the line up.
December 21, 2023 at 2:02 pm #148904Dr. DParticipantPulled Lincoln off 10 States. Yes the plan is to cause a Civil War. Planned since they floated and pushed Rush Limbaugh out of the blue in 1994. The Red are the designated “South”. However, they needed it to happen in 2016. “They never thought they would lose”. And since it was all illegal, it was so easy to lose. You send the Navy Seals into the rigging rooms and tell them to knock it off. For just a few hours until HRC throws a tantrum on stage – or rather throws such a tantrum that she does NOT come out on stage.
…And then she doesn’t legally contest it? Because it WAS stolen? What gives, gal? You’re a lawyer. You know the process. So you were then in dereliction of your JOB and in dereliction of your Constitutional and patriotic DUTY if you believed so…and then did NOTHING? You just whined like a baby on Oprah? THAT is a thing I cannot get behind. Glad you lost then if you act like that. …But we all know why, now, don’t we?
You see the Social Engineering there is a certain required timing for cons and torture. Once they — the Mark — suspect, the con can’t be the same. Once the tortureee is “beyond it”, like Elvy in “V”, it’s not the same. Once Zoomers have met the Trans and Gay people misbehaving, being irrational jerks, they’re not defending them. They know them commonly. Everyone is for protecting all people, which is the sales line for Gen X and Y. You have a sense they — gays — are a victim class, growing up. But a new generation with fresh eyes can say “I’ve met them all, they Iz Peoples.” Not better, not different. Not more equal than others. Peoples. …As I say all the time.
Now again, there is a certain WINDOW where you are pushing this “new”, and people haven’t adjusted and internalized and can use this gap. A few years later, 2, 4, 8 years, society has digested it and has antibodies to your thieving con. …And so here we are.
With that, but that’s only one example. We have ones for “UniParty”, “Helping”, “Spreading Democracy”, “Impeachment”, “Bailouts” and like 110 others. How are you going to have a Civil War like this? I mean, here, 6 years later, youse can have the war, sure. YOU CAN’T WIN THE WAR. Why? The war is designed to make people flock to the established power “To return to normal”. Sound familiar? So they can’t dare start the war now, not like before since it would cause them to lose, not win. So they’re fishing around positioning still, looking to realign with a war they can win.
There isn’t any. Because the population is month by month inoculated against bullshit. A Firehose, a volcano of raw stinking bullshit.
So far, the White Hats have managed to avoid the mistake of the British counter-revolution of 1860, which was to not realize early enough and not be able to stop a shooting war. Lincoln tried first two years, sending Generals to do nothing all day. As Luongo says, in legal-political terms, the South was correct: It was a Union of States, so states could leave. You can shoot your wife to make her stay in the marriage? And it would over-centralize the Feds as tyrants. BUT: if the South DID leave, the Brits would have re-conquered the American experiment state by state. And this is the prime goal in war: to force your enemy (us) into two equally bad choices.
Lincoln did the best he could and was on the verge of reversing all the tyranny he had to put in to avoid being chopped up and digested by London, but “Then a Miracle happened” and he was shot, leaving the oligarchs in charge, extracting the South like an African colony for – EXACTLY – 100 years. 100 Years to the day. However, they did NOT get what they really needed, which was bankrupting European loans, and America mostly escaped. It took 50 years of centralization via American oligarchs, then re-tying them to Europe, to get the whole gob.
You have to understand what really happened and why to understand the same people are doing the same thing to us now. They are running the Russian Revolution Plan on us, dusted off in textbooks, as these pinheads have no imagination. Thank God. But if the idealistic kids see what Marxism is doing, who Antifa are, how racism works, who Great Leader Lenin is and how well the economy is under him, you’re not going to be able to mobilize them for the well-planned Bolshevik Wars.
Who knew it would be Palestine that would finally get them? They themselves can be killed like rats everywhere, knock off whole states, nothing. But this “Latest Thing”, the new “Victim Class” is what dun it. Okay, fine, I guess the white hats kept trying until they found something. Steering da Biden into sea mines until finally he took on water. Fine, don’t care, I was over it in the 90’s.
Anyway, how are you going to have a Civil War in these conditions? Even with a banking collapse?
And to the pic itself, forget taking TRUMP off the ballot, the DNC took RFK, and EVERY. OTHER. Democrat off their OWN ballots. So: No Trump. No candidates. Only Biden in a one-man race with himself. That’s where we are now? And “BIDEN”???? Dude, you are SERIOUSLY desperate. And Deranged. You can see if it were, I dunno, JFK, a young, I dunno, Obama, Trudeau, Newsom before we Knew Some, you can see it would work. Everyone would try – again – to overlook it – again. But Weekend At Biden? Are you FKM?
And so the kids say too. “• Trump Gets Surprise Boost With Young Voters Amid Biden Disillusionment (Hill) Fine by me. If this is what it takes. I had the offramp decades ago, after 2000 but certainly by “Occupy”.
Gaza: Yes. The true and only terrifying thing is exactly that we all watch, do nothing, and they know it. Even myself. I can put up the usual harangues, but that is not enough. What is enough I can’t do because there will not be support and the psychotic level of counterattack I will get. So I feel, I too can only watch in horror.
Just noting it. I am failing here. But as a strategy, that’s how it is. I failed them, and I will carry on with my own, the usual battles and hope that still helps somehow. Every soldier can’t be every where in the war.
16” inches in NYC. A sign of Global Warming!!! Those jets must be working, quick, fly to Monaco more!
““I was one of ten House Republicans who voted to impeach Trump after January 6. I think the court’s decision is shameful.”
Civil War. Exactly. THESE are the guys you’re trying to get. By forcing everyone to go too far. Safely. Safely? Yes, the CO court put a stay on their own order. It’s meaningless EXCEPT as a show. But the useless show is working, and not for Colorado, not for the DNC. Then who put them up to it?
“They’re firing $2,000,000 missiles at $2,000 drones.”Just pointing out, there is limited space on a ship. Sorry, there is. And they need to respond to EVERYTHING. That’s a really big ask. So yeah, they can anti-drone, does that mean they have FEWER standard missiles? Then they are susceptible to that. See what I mean? Okay, add an anti-drone escort ship? Then that has its own cost. Welcome to “Reality” where “Time” and “Space” exist.
“US Has a ‘Clear Plan’ for Ukraine’s Future – Blinken (RT)
Great! When can we know what that is? 10 years and still waiting.
Again, “Border Security”??? You guys PRINT THE MONEY!!! So get down in your d—n basement and print some! In fact, WE DON’T NEED MONEY since Trump showed what men and “money” we had was more than adequate if you communicate then deport. The DHS are Tag-and-Release. They’re still shaking hands with everyone and putting them on buses, the only difference in cost is where the buses go.
Which means? This is a SCAM. A show. It’s all puppet theatre. And Biden doesn’t just say “Sure, I’ll take all the money you want (and do nothing with it, hahahahaha!)” No? He says “I hate money so much!!” and lets Ukraine collapse?
Tell me how this is not a puppet show. PLEASE.
December 21, 2023 at 2:15 pm #148905Dr. DParticipantEoinW I feel that. However, that’s the Democratic Platform too. The difference right now is 1/3 of the Republicans are rebelling.
Phoenix: I don’t know why you feel compelled to jump in and defend Marxism each time. I was just saying this particular reporter was clearly raised in the usual, average, university reporter paradigm and his bias was showing. Clearly the facts of his own article was the government was running a tyrannical terror job on some private corporations, yet he was clinging to language that implied the opposite somehow. Of course usually it’s the corporations running terror jobs ON US, but this particular event was this way.
Sure, governments, corporations, churches, bakesales, families, can all be run badly and for evil. And are. However, as noted constantly in political theory of ALL stripes, even your run of the mill university Marxism, the key difference in government is their “Monopoly on VIOLENCE.” That’s it. They are the VIOLENCE Industry. That’s their one tell, their single reason. Everyone agrees on this from all sides. And there is a second side that also everyone from every class or paradigm agrees on: Governments PRODUCE NOTHING. They consume. That’s one reason you can’t run a government like a business; they are fundamentally different. But that’s why government is to me, and universally recognized as being acutely and specifically more dangerous and prone to corruption and bad behavior, every where, at every time, in every place in history:
Imagine a structure whose 1) Job is violence and 2) Takes money from — everyone — to self-fund their sole job. Yeah, that sounds dangerous and tempting alright. You’re really going to have to rein it in and watch that sucker carefully. — Just as you say, the Founding Fathers realized, and did. And knew it would get out anyway, exactly as Jefferson, and many others, said it eventually would. But they did the best they could for us, and it’s our job to do our duties here in the infinite future and live up to them.
I’m not an anarchist, as that requires the same perfect world Socialism would. So the best we can do at this point is our duties to support a just and restrained government, and WE and our beliefs are the only possible counterweight to it.
December 21, 2023 at 2:25 pm #148906OroborosParticipantThe Empire of Lies and it’s Satanist collaborators have prepared an ‘amusement park’ ride for us
It’s kinda like Hotel Californicate
December 21, 2023 at 2:34 pm #148907OroborosParticipantPsychopaths are approximately 1-2% of the natural birth rate.
Identifying Psychopaths in your culture, your work place, your government, your family is a problem.
Depending on your cultural circumstances your mileage may vary.
A Pro Tip is at the delivery room
The next is in the maternity ward
December 21, 2023 at 2:38 pm #148908OroborosParticipantPure Evil has been loosened upon the Land
“My God, do you suppose it can read?”
December 21, 2023 at 2:40 pm #148909zerosumParticipantChoices – Synonyms and Antonyms – Relevant or Irrelevant – Fact or Opinion, Promises or Lies
My Way or The Highway
Right or Dead wrong.
Peace or Hate.
The Willing or Not Willing.
Poor or Rich.
Pain or No Pain.
Riot or Insurrection
Incitement or Motivation
Rebel or docile
Clarity or Democracy
Tit-for-Tat
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Israel/Gaza Genocide or Peace
USA/Ukraine Genocide or Peace
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Follow the Money or Peace
$2,000,000 missiles or $2,000 drones.
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Hamas took over 200 Israeli soldiers and civilians captive hoping to exchange them for the freedom of thousands of Palestinians long held in Israeli prisons.
We want an exchange of all-for-all.
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Deal or No Deal
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Commercial or Real
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Dr. D or Accept the System(Forget taking TRUMP off the ballot, the DNC took RFK, and EVERY. OTHER. Democrat off their OWN ballots.
So: No Trump. No candidates.
Only Biden in a one-man race with himself.
That’s where we are now?
And “BIDEN”???? Dude, you are SERIOUSLY desperate. And Deranged. You can see if it were, I dunno, JFK, a young, I dunno, Obama, Trudeau, Newsom before we Knew Some, you can see it would work.
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Dr. D or Accept the System
Everyone agrees on this from this sides.
And there is a second side that also everyone agrees on.
——–December 21, 2023 at 2:49 pm #148910OroborosParticipantDuh’mericans are classically willfully ignorant of most of the world and only looking at their immediate gratification. It’s a Hallmark of the culture.
In a perverse way, it’s a deviant form of “Be Here Now’.
But it has significant draw backs which only emerge under unique historic circumstances.
December 21, 2023 at 2:52 pm #148911OroborosParticipantGoing Down?
December 21, 2023 at 2:54 pm #148912Dr D RichParticipantTurley and Carlson distract us all from this:
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/12/21/akcl-d21.html
…and they are paid handsomely to do so from each of their own closeted enclave.
No one will “civil war” (((verb))) for Trump. The Donald deserves prison or worse for sanctioning the murder by assassination of an 8 year old, Nawar al-Awlaki.
December 21, 2023 at 2:59 pm #148913OroborosParticipantThere seems to be an overwhelming lack of ‘situational awareness’ in Duh’merican culture.
And a lack of common courage.
And common decency.
And common sense.
In every aspect of a functioning ‘democracy’
The ‘body politic’ in Duh’merican can’t find it’s own ass if it looked for it with both hands
December 21, 2023 at 3:05 pm #148914OroborosParticipantEurotardistan being addressed by Russia as the “Ukraine Project” shitsthebed.
December 21, 2023 at 3:28 pm #148915kultsommerParticipant…re. olive oil; evoo can indeed be used to saute/brown onions and other veggies…
Absolutely true.
Not sure how are you confident if the oil that you purchase/use where you live is true evoo. I was to write a long story, but “Food industry commercials” X-clip above came to my rescue. Sense of regret is a daily feature in shopping, knowing that what one gets is not the real thing despite paying the high price for it. According to Dr D, not to worry, Invisible hand of market lends its justice to cheaters. After all there is FDA to protect us!
Small trivia:
Novak Djokovic exclusively purchase his olive oil from the producer on Croatian island Brach (h added to help the proximate pronunciation). The type of oil similar or the same that I remember as real evoo.December 21, 2023 at 3:29 pm #148916kultsommerParticipantQuotation symbol got switched.
Ahh, well….December 21, 2023 at 3:41 pm #148917Just Some RandomerParticipant@kultsommer – Coincidentally, I visited Brač back in October and brought home a nice bottle of Olive Oil. Lots of locals selling it from little stalls around Supetar. A truly beautiful place.
December 21, 2023 at 4:18 pm #148918phoenixvoiceParticipant@ Dr D…
Yesterday wasn’t a defense of Marxism…
My argument is with the way that you characterize a group of people as “Marxist” and then summarily dismiss their perspective. You create a “straw man” and then execute it — and by so doing miss all of the nuance and end up ignoring root problems.The US public school system barely addresses Marxism and Socialism, and when it does address them, it generally excoriates both. You suggested that the US public school system is the reason why those educated therein distrust corporations, and I pointed out that, on the contrary, my distrust of corporations stemmed from the corporations’ own advertising, and not from formal schooling. What I *have* observed in the local public school system over the past 15 years as my children have passed through it, is that the students are conditioned to accept authoritarian rule, and a general lack of encouragement for original thinking and critical analysis. These teachings are simply not socialist/Marxist — rather, they are authoritarian and anti-democratic. (Yes, of course these types of teachings were also present in Nazi Germany and the USSR — *not* because of “socialism” — which has so many definitions and permutations that the word meaning is almost indiscernible and I find myself avoiding the term because I do not know how the listener will perceive it — but because these teachings promote the authoritarianism that is inherent to totalitarian systems.)
It’s as if you have a mental bag labeled “Marxism/Socialism” and throw everything into it that you dislike. The problem with this method — and with straw-man arguments generally — is that is masks the real issues at play. The people who are trying to remake the world as they see fit — the WEFfers, etc. — are not following some “socialist” or “Marxist” playbook. What is going on is much simpler than all of that — a cabal have inordinate power in the current system, that power is slipping away from them, and they are doing whatever they can concoct to attempt to keep and consolidate their grasp of power. Historically, the terms “Marxist,” “socialist,” and “communist,” have been used by the elites — especially after WWII — in order to denigrate individuals who stood up against the elites and the power structures of the elites. (Of course, at the dawn of the USSR many elites of the day supported the Bolshevik Revolution, likely because they wanted to weaken Russia and believed that in the aftermath of the revolution that they would be able to exploit Russia’s natural resources. Stalin didn’t let that happen, so, naturally, the elites ended up opposed to the threat to their world dominance that the USSR posed, and in order to get the populations of the collective West on their side, started things like McCarthyism in the US. Stalin was a ruthless leader, just as totalitarian as Hitler, but since he didn’t attempt world military conquest like Hitler, and due to the fear of nuclear annihilation, the Western populations couldn’t be convinced to have a hot war with the USSR.)
Like many here at TAE, I enjoy your rants. However, sometimes they set off alarm bells in my mind where I think, no, that simply does not comport with reality as I have come to know it. The Marxism/socialism thing is probably generational — you likely were inculcated at a young age by the elites’ propaganda of the day to see Marxism/socialism as the bogeyman, while I didn’t start really looking at the world outside of my own home until the ‘80’s — by that point, Stalin was long gone, McCarthyism was over, and the elites had just suffered a setback in their plans in the 1970s when a lot of the CIA and FBI’s pernicious stuff (MKULTRA, strong suspicion of involvement in the JFK assassination, files kept by J. Edgar Hoover in order to keep prominent figures in line, etc.,) had been uncovered. I encourage you, when you rant, to look a little deeper — yes, what you complain of is unlikeable, but is it Marxist? Is it socialist? By which definition? My father would likely agree with your terms 100% — but do you want to use generational terms? There may be terms that are more precisely defined, and that will make your rants more biting, more concise, and more widely comprehended.
(And, quite frankly, I comment because it is enjoyable to do so. Also, I respect your intellect and wouldn’t bother criticizing if that weren’t the case.)
December 21, 2023 at 4:30 pm #148919Dr D RichParticipantOh Jesus
December 21, 2023 at 4:34 pm #148920NoiretteParticipantFrom prev. thread. Red posted:
Neil Ferguson is a cunt of high order.
Yes. ‘Predictive modelling’ of this shoddy type, according to the most charitable view, is akin to using divination stones, Ouija boards, visions from on high, prayer for guidance, etc. to predict the future.
Fuzzy descriptions by N.F. are BS, but the folklore funny is replaced with,
*Standard, elaborated, scientific views that are imposed by State authority.*
Imho. N. F. knew what he was doing with his analyses and predictions. They were, are, sort of marginally clever, superficially convincing. Hey, he gets paid, they like him, he is a hotshot, etc.
December 21, 2023 at 5:14 pm #148921zerosumParticipantSurviving in our society
Learn to do, and offer to do, with social skllls, for a “living income”, …..1. What they do not want to do
or
2. What they cannot do, or do not know how to doDecember 21, 2023 at 5:32 pm #148922kultsommerParticipant@JSR
Croatians that live at coastal part of the country won a jack-pot after the establishment as independent country. Tourism and skyrocketing property values makes that part of the land as true western Europe that they joined. Inland, with the exception of the capital Zagreb, not so much where living lingers on borderline despair.December 21, 2023 at 6:12 pm #148923kultsommerParticipantYemen to send soldiers to Gaza.
Which brings thoughts to “international brigades” in Spain’s civil war.
Almost all of them mobilized, organized and staffed by the communists.
Good number of them were the sons from wealthy families of the region. Youth that went to Vienna to study, just to return home with “new ideas” aside from the degree in chosen field. They left comfortable life of luxury, great careers and exchange that for the smell of gun smoke on barricaded streets.
Few years later hose who survived were, almost exclusively, organizers of independent resistance movements against the Nazis.
But hurt? Of course you are.
Bear in mind that over eight decades ago an idea of communism/socialism was a view on Marxism as a real antidote to brutal world that Sharpie lived in (visit the site that TAE introduced me to and check on the “kid”), C. Dickens written about in his fiction stories and Marx expressed through scientific method and charts. Some of the charts show a “family income” contributions from parents down to the six years old child. Later offered great and correct criticism of the brutal system but, alas, could not offer the solution that nobody could.
I have written before, the Left, real Left, fought in those turbulent times so you can today sit on your comfortable chair and write shit about them. In return the elite obliged to your wishes engineered and served you the “Left” of your imagination that you apparently love – you know, LGB…degenerates, antifa and what-nots.December 21, 2023 at 6:58 pm #148924kultsommerParticipantSharpie is Shorpy
December 21, 2023 at 7:04 pm #148925davidvealeParticipant@phoenixvoice — I have to say I’m continually impressed by your posts and insight, particularly this response on marxism/socialism.
I see so many regularly throw these terms around as synonyms of “evil” while demonstrating zero understanding of what Marx wrote or how these labels comport with that. The fact is that life for citizens in many “socialist” countries has been far better than that in the US. When something works, we should do what we can to copy it, regardless of the labels that are attached to it (usually by those who prefer and benefit from the corrupt status quo).
December 21, 2023 at 7:25 pm #148926WESParticipantHillary Clinton’s Achilles Heels
People often overlook that organizing is one of Hillary’s fatal weaknesses.
This was proven in the early 1990s when Bill Clinton appointed Hillary to spearhead his health care agenda when Democrats had majority control of both the House and Senate. In short order Hillary managed to alienate so many Democrats that the health care agenda failed completely!
This organizing feature again reared it ugly head while when she was running for president in 2016. Here she so mismanaged Democrat’s grass roots assets that they failed to bring in the needed cemetery votes. Again she successfully alienated everyone with her poor organizing skills.
Likely Hillary’s first run for president in 2008 probably lost to Obama for the same reason.
Her attempts to run in 2024 quickly got her nowhere. People remember she is a proven loser.
December 21, 2023 at 7:58 pm #148927John DayParticipant@Phoenixvoice: Hear, Hear! Well said, Sister.
The word is not the thing, as one might say.
“We” have what classical economics sought to minimize, if not abolish, an economy controlled by rentier interests, the group which extracts rent from the economy, maximizing the extraction of value, which degrades the efficacy of the market economy in providing goods and services at best possible value.The rentier interests have formed a cabal to further the narrow agenda of favoring wealth extraction from the economy. This phase transition occurred under Paul Volcker, when the interest rates were raised to support the value of the $US by debt-service, rather than by economic production.
Marx was ok, if limited in his vision of the future. Marxists are generally even more limited in vision, though the label may be applied to some with clear vision, clearer than that of Marx, such as Michael Hudson, a Classical Economist and Economic Historian, who really understands financial flows between countries.
December 21, 2023 at 8:09 pm #148928Dr. DParticipantPhoenix: I read and understand.
My experience is a lifetime of school where I saw this in person, then those around me who were in/out of school carrying on the same ethos. Like, just a general ballpark feeling of how the world works, or should. But I think as JB sometimes does, if you drill down to its root premises, that’s what you find. You look to why you find it, and read the people who originated the public school system in 1900, then key leaders in Universities and educational influencers all along. I’m glad to hear that is not in your part of the West, and you don’t have to daily confront this root paradigm from every man, woman and child, and which they know-not-why they believe it.
Taking heat from Kultsummer, you would have to be old indeed to see the Left had done anything. In my lifetime they sold out the Unions, keeping money for the old-timers and screwing the new Union entrees, then since the 90’s, nothing: 35 straight years of destroying Unions, destroying workers, sidelining ecology, bailing out banks, authorizing monopolies, opposing healthcare, gutting welfare, jailing black men, expanding prisons, erasing tradesmen training, reversing Glass Steagal, retroactively making things like Citi’s illegal insurance merger legal, 1) making bankruptcy illegal to 2) overcharge student loans, consolidating media into 6 players, and starting every war but Iraq (I and II)
Just this year they started s’more wars, destroyed the Union, illegally forced railroads to work in dangerous conditions, got the world’s largest environmental disaster from it before…moving on to blowing NordStreamII and outdoing themselves in even LARGER war and ecological disasters.
Nor are the Republicans off the hook, since they were doing their own dismal thing and saying “Shucks and golly, I know we have a supermajority (again) but we just can’t do anything about it, and nothing in our platform, for the 30th year in a row, boy howdy, But we’ll see you next time.”
I appreciate the original Leftists but they were from the 20s and 30s, ONE HUNDRED YEARS AGO. I watched all the Depression/FDR always Blue, ACTUAL Union, ACTUAL working man guys die. That’s now a GENERATION ago. Zoomers are going to vote that never met or talked to one, even as a toddler. So far away their picture isn’t even on the mantle of a home run by meth parents with no jobs.
It’s like saying the Pittsburgh Steelers are great because they won the pennant in sportsball in 1973. Yes, they were. They may have been. But they aren’t the same people, same town, same players, same game, same stadium and have nothing in common with them except the name. What’s the name? Nothing. If you swapped out every part of a Packard and now it’s a bass boat, well it’s no longer a Packard, is it?
I have to deal with real Leftists all day, all the time, most of my life and they have become the opposite of every principle they stood for. For over 20 years now. They are Pro-monopoly, pro-bank, pro-war, anti-union, anti-poor, anti-environment, anti-health, and anti-worker. I sympathize, but whaddya want me to do about it? Not tell you that it’s true? The Republicans just are oblivious and suck, that’s easy to criticize and going nowhere, because if you get through to them, they’ll say “So?” But the Left is against everything they ever stood for AND against everything they SAY they stand for, right now, in front of you, telling you with their mouths on Thursday 21 December. And can I agree with them and say, “You’re totally right: Actually War IS Peace! I see the light! Ignorance and being wrong on every fact I try to check actually IS Strength!” I wish ever so much more to be ignorant and warlike now!
And THEY say they don’t want these things. THEY say it, not me. So when I say, “If you are pro-peace you should stop having wars, clearly they are not the Leftist ethos, or even the ‘Worldwide Marxist Revolution Workers Unite’ ethos,” I’m not doing a sick burn. I’m not being sarcastic. I’m literally pointing out that they wish to travel EAST, while their path of direction is WEST. It’s not a joke; they’re not lying to me. I know they do really wish to go East. I can tell them they are going the #Opposite direction of their goals, and hope it’s possible they will take me seriously, notice, check for themselves, and turn around.
One reason I keep doing this is my own failing: I simply cannot understand what they’re doing. They say East, I point East, then they get in their cars and carry on West, where the sign, the roadmarkers, the map, all recorded history also says “West”, just as I do. Then they get out, tell me how far from East we seem to be getting, I point to the sign on the road, they get in their car and do it all over again.
You know, if they just SAID they wanted to go West, their GOAL was to start all wars, kill all people, destroy all forests, close all farms, subjugate all minorities, harm all women, and run all poor people into poverty and death, I wouldn’t hardly bug them at all. Like Republicans. They’re going where they themselves wish to go, it’s a free world, what can I say? I’ll just vote against them.
But when THEY say it, I dunno, my problem is I feel they are opening themselves up for opinions on the matter, since it’s most discourteous and in fact cruel to know someone means to go East, just let them drive West, shut up, laugh up your sleeve at them, and point. If they want to go East, then surely they are open to advice on the better means to get there, right?
One key thing, as you say, is that for former crew, a wee bit the FDR crew, but obviously much more in Europe, is they actually DID something. I’ve worked with Leftists all my life and except for old hippies, never met a single one who did anything. That’s against their ways. You see, their way is that — I — must DO something. For them. Just ’cause they said so. When I ask if they want to do something, they say no, they will have the police or someone, handwave, MAKE them do it. Meaning ME. That’s it. 40 years of this in a row here in the ‘States. I do work, and so if any work is done for their goals, it will have to be be me doing it because they won’t.
When Jimmy Dore or Bernie, or Occupy actually DO something, I respect them, even if we disagree. I don’t think I could look for a year and find a one who does anything except GOVERNMENT (i.e. ME) should do it, so they can watch Netflix and protest using a #Hashtag on X. Then orders on Amazon, so the local small worker gets out of a job.
Gosh, I only wish I COULD find a one willing to do literally anything, then you might get an allotment or permaculture started, or save a single 200 year old building being leveled. That is, we’d be #allies. Alas we are not and every one of the old crew, the actual workers and Union organizers, are dead of extreme old age, kids having been apprenticed, then through their whole Union career, then retired themselves, since the Unions honestly helped anyone instead of raking fees, going to Vegas, and shaking backroom deals with management. A long time indeed.
Maybe we should be allies as well. Who is helping the workers right now and stopping the wars? Who is undercutting wages and making the poorest areas the most dangerous? Who are the workers rallying behind, best to know their own self-interests? SPD of Germany? Labour in UK? Democrats in the US?
I think the workers know their own minds and don’t need any help from me. They are going AfD, LePen, Brexit, MAGA worldwide right now. Workers unite, right? I support the working man, the poor. I go where they go and do what they do. They’re as far from the parties of 1939 as it is possible to be. And sadly, for long, good reason, in my opinion.
December 21, 2023 at 8:29 pm #148929Maxwell QuestParticipantImho. N. F. knew what he was doing with his analyses and predictions. They were, are, sort of marginally clever, superficially convincing. Hey, he gets paid, they like him, he is a hotshot, etc.
Noirette is correct. This applies to Neil Ferguson as much as to any other establishment toady who mortgages their soul for a fat paycheck and/or adulation. It infects the current system from top to bottom. These sellouts serve a purpose and are rewarded for it, whether it be the news anchor desk with its long queue of sycophant wannabes, prestigious awards, $500K speaking fees, board positions, $multi-million book deals, etc.
If you cooperate with establishment goals you are rewarded:
However, if you become an obstacle their goals the consequences could be severe:
December 21, 2023 at 8:46 pm #148930Dr D RichParticipantCan’t wait to see the Steelers win their first pennant.
AI ,right?
December 21, 2023 at 9:27 pm #148931jb-hbParticipantAm I angry at Leftism, Marxism? Obviously – but as one who was betrayed and worse yet, successfully deceived. And successfully massively swindled. The time in my life, the space in my head, my institutions, culture, and civilization.
What’s the True Left? How do we isolate it? Surely the guys in the late 1800’s early 1900’s in America saved the US from the Robber Barons, The Jungle, and Grapes of Wrath. With some help from Theodore Roosevelt. Was Teddy the True Left?
But are marxists actually doing useful things or are they just infiltrating worker’s unions to subvert them for the marxist cause? What did they do with civil rights? Show up after all the heavy lifting, gut it, don the skinsuit, and say “I’m that thing you love, you do what I say now, kneel to Zod”
American Liberalism did all the heavy lifting. American liberalism WORKED and WORKS. When not subverted.
In principle, sure. But in practice, total disaster over and over. To be good and noble and of any practical use to humanity, they’d have to go away, figure out their own mistakes after acknowledging them, and come up with something new. But that would be relinquishing their current nature. Really their current identity, a form of death. By definition, not marxists anymore. Maybe not leftists anymore. Maybe something better and totally new, even.
My trust is not increased/restored by hearing of “wonderful peaceful experiments” in socialism involving killing people that disagree with you and grabbing all the weapons from the local armory, as happened in one “wonderful peaceful” example of proto socialism in France.
Leftists are free to buy 40 acres and start a socialist system anytime they want. Primates imitate success. You could be there succeeding all day every day and you would get spontaneous imitators of what works everywhere – without any need for resources, means of production, etc from anyone. That’s how primates work.
Instead, we had chaz/chops spring up in every city. 100 Chaz-Chops declaring autonomy on marxist lines, left alone by the authorities, and becoming failed shitholes everywhere. Because we all have to do it together – THAT’S why it didn’t work.
Therefore you have to force other people to do it – because we all have to do it together. Or the non-believers ruin it for everyone else. You have to wear a mask to protect everyone ELSE, not yourself. You have to take a poisonous injection because everyone else’s welfare is YOUR responsibility. NO, each person taking responsibility for themselves is not a thing, EVERYONE is EVERYONE ELSE’S responsibility.
There was that experiment in which an entire college class said that capitalism is bad and socialism is the best system. The teacher was shocked that it was 100% agreement, but announced that she was going to teach them a lesson in economics. From now on, the class’s grades would be the average of all class members.
The class started out with almost everyone passing. At the end, the entire class failed.
Were they deprived of the means of production? Were they oppressed? Were they colonized? Were they too deep into False Consciousness? Was there too much of a disparity of power?
They had access to the teacher’s lectures and the textbooks. No one was interfering to limit their “access” to those resources, nor divert their labor away from their own benefits. Pure Socialism had been achieved, perfect equity. The result was F’s across the board. So now REAL communism really has been tried before.
The thing that irks me the most is the evasions, duplicity, gaslighting that accompany defense of leftism. If it cannot stand the sunlight and skitters off continually into the dark, then it is presumed to be The Bad Leftism. 200 years of open-mindedness have exhausted an obligation to be “fair” or “open-minded” or continually have amnesia, or pretend against all evidence the party on the opposite side is acting in earnest good faith WITHIN standards of goodness and decency, as opposed to an alien acting from outside the culture, for whom all the principles of decency they have nothing from contempt, who only view these as artifacts that might possibly be used to demolish it or at least paralyze its prospective defenders.
“We’re the Good Leftists, it’s just that we’re here to tear down your family, culture, traditions, art, infrastructure, every single way you currently maintain life and happiness, and civilization, but don’t worry we are the Good Leftists” I would need to see some very serious, definite disavowal of bad leftism and an abandonment of its defense before I could begin to consider treating someone like that as INSIDE my culture therefore its values of right and wrong, therefore engaging in real as opposed to weaponized simulacrum discussion.
December 21, 2023 at 9:34 pm #148932kultsommerParticipantCommunism/socialism.
Failed experiments.
But why the elite so so still afraid of it?
Because, even failed idea is still an idea – idea, in simplest term, that handful of people can not own everything.
And that is what that handful wants to eradicate. Forever.
Workers willingly “forgot” the heroes of the past who gifted them 8 hour work day and free weekend. Because to remember them was too “hammer and sickle” for their refined souls while there is a possibility that “a $million” is waiting for each of them just around the corner.
So… no effort for the elite to “help even further”. Thus corrupted unions allowed and for mostly government workers with exuberant salaries compared to private sector. Envy and divide.
Economical success of the post war American capitalism led easily to lot of “free and idle time” for many of young of that era. Disguised as “freedom” it was really lifestyle of laziness and immature ideas, hastily based on Marx (movie “Zabriskie point” comes to mind), which all came as a god given to elite’s effort to declare: “See, that’s your fucking Marx!”, while in reality it was: “Keep your hands of my loot!”
That “freedom” in passing years transformed itself into all kinds “movements” each one outdoing the other in idiocy and stupidity, but again god given to be labeled as “Left” just because some idiots wear the T-shirts with Che, hammer and sickle or Red Star image. Even if we agree, OK, that may be the real new Left , message created was clear, for those who want to look between the lines: “Do not question that country is turning into oligarchy and that you’re being robbed blind, unless you want those lunatics in our place”.
Notice how in South America, some botched form of socialism and nationalization is put in place as the only way to keep the greedy hands from the North to loot the country’s resources. Those countries are endlessly vilified in the media and had a willing recipients in gen pop of the USA. Talking about indoctrination!And, that is the story behind “Marx”.
December 21, 2023 at 10:49 pm #148933OroborosParticipantUkronazi tells reporter he supports Israel with a Nazi insignia on his sleeve.
Sweet
Only in Ukraine – He Says He Supports Israel
December 21, 2023 at 10:55 pm #148934OroborosParticipantYou can order some too
WWII German SS Panzer Beret Skull & Eagle set $10.00.
SS-Totenkopfverbände
Special Discount for Israeli citizens!!!https://murphsmilitaria.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/pz.jpg
December 21, 2023 at 10:55 pm #148935Veracious PoetParticipantThere may be terms that are more precisely defined, and that will make your rants more biting, more concise, and more widely comprehended.
Either you get “it”, or
you don’t“it” gets you!So many words, so little truth…
Q.E.D.
December 21, 2023 at 11:01 pm #148936D Benton SmithParticipantThe benefit of labels (and brother, there are a lot of ’em!) is that labels make it easier and quicker to think and report about realities that are far more complex than the label might suggest, and therein is one of key faults of labels. But that isn’t their biggest fault.
The biggest fault of labels is that they are so easily stolen and turned to nefarious purposes.
How many lies and crimes do you suppose have been committed by someone bad in the name of something good?
It’s the good and bad that must be differentiated, usually at the steep price of hard work and even more pain. Labels, on the other hand, are cheap and easy.
December 21, 2023 at 11:20 pm #148937OroborosParticipantMETA is carrying out largest censorship in HISTORY against Palestine
Farcebook at it’s Satanic best
December 21, 2023 at 11:21 pm #148938jb-hbParticipantWorkers willingly “forgot” the heroes of the past who gifted them 8 hour work day and free weekend. Because to remember them was too “hammer and sickle”
Why have I read about Communists/Marxists working on infiltrating and guiding labor groups into communist lines of thinking?
…read these accounts FROM those communists – saying “hey, labor groups are really a great opportunity for us to spread The Word”
Marxists wait standing right at the finish line for the people who have done the work to hand them the baton.
December 21, 2023 at 11:23 pm #148939OroborosParticipantIDF is taking huge causalities but Collective West mediawhore are not reporting it.
I’m shocked
IDF Tank Officer Taken Out By Hamas Sniper
Happening more often than you might think.
December 21, 2023 at 11:30 pm #148940OroborosParticipantFrom an actual Russian, living in Russia
Nice to hear from someone who’s not a Western Talking Head Manwhore (WTHM)
Lost the beard, looks ten years younger
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